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dad4justice

Shawn you are nothing more than a lazy unemployed Christchurch nut-bar. Everything that you write on here is a malicious lie. You deserve what karma you’ll get. I really hope you get a job and leave this blog.
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December 18, 2014 6:19pm
Rowan

Practice what you preach Pharisee, for one who claims to be Christian, your bigotry and abuse here tells another story!
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December 18, 2014 6:20pm
mikenmild

So, Rowan, Redbaiter and D4J, what should we chat about this evening?
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December 18, 2014 6:38pm
RF

As we head towards xmas some observations.

1. Daniel Carter will not play for France owing to injuries.

2. Lprent is a cross dresser and shirt lifter

3. Mickey rubber face is bloody useless at giving trust advice plus backed the wrong David and lost credibility.

4. The Green Party are gutless communists who have gone to ground since Sydney.

5. JKs anti terrorist legislation could not have come at a better time.

6. Angry Andrew needs to pull Goof the liar into line.

That will do for starters. A cheeky red beckons.
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December 18, 2014 6:51pm
Kea

“5. JKs anti terrorist legislation could not have come at a better time.”

Is this legislation to passed to address your fear and anxiety issues of imagined threats ?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/statistics-you-are-not-going-to-be-killed-by-terrorists.html

You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist
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December 18, 2014 7:03pm
nasska

Kea

You will note that those statistics relate to the USA where Muslims are only 0.8% of total population. Australia at 1.9% have just had their first actual killings…..we at 0.9% probably have a short breathing space before the action starts.

Israel at 17.7% & the UK at 4.6% don’t seem to be such good bets for a long & happy life & there are even worse examples.
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December 18, 2014 7:13pm
RF

Kea. 7.03pm.

No. Still stick with 5.

I used to be a cop that was routinely armed so do not agree with your last comment.
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December 18, 2014 7:13pm
mikenmild

nasska
Do you have a solution to your imaginary problem of future Muslim violence in New Zealand?
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December 18, 2014 7:27pm
nasska

First Mike, tell me why you see the problem as “imaginary” .
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December 18, 2014 7:29pm
Kea

RF, it was not my comment. It is a statistic.

Mind you, it does relate to America. You are even less likely to be killed by a terrorist here. Anyone in this country who lives in fear of Muslim terrorists, has a mental health issue. The statistical probability shows the risk is not worth worrying about.
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December 18, 2014 7:29pm
mikenmild

Well, nasska, the future is by definition imagined.
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December 18, 2014 7:32pm
Kea

nasska, do you wan the government to “DO SOMETHING !!!!!” about lightening strikes too ?

“Since 9/11, foreign-inspired terrorism has claimed about two dozen lives in the United States. (Meanwhile, more than 100,000 have been killed in gun homicides and more than 400,000 in motor-vehicle accidents.) “
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December 18, 2014 7:32pm
freemark

Are Red, Rowan & Dad 1 person or 2?
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December 18, 2014 7:33pm
Shawn Herles

First Mike, tell me why you see the problem as “imaginary” .

Given what just happened in Australia, using the term “imaginary” is just plain stupid.

And imagined and imaginary are not the same. The first is about possibilities, and the second is something not real or possible

Mike and our resident neo-Nazi Jew hater are just playing infantile word games.
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December 18, 2014 7:33pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Mind you, it does relate to America. You are even less likely to be killed by a terrorist here.

One of my extended family members could have been killed by a terrorist in Australia just a few days ago. 2 out 17 hostages died, so he had a 12% chance of being killed. Had a bummer of a day as well.
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December 18, 2014 7:35pm
Kea

I would like to see the stats for how likely a Muslim is to be killed by a Christian Yank. I know some figures suggest around a Million have been killed in Iraq alone, and that figure is rising. The vast majority are civilians. The cowards are now using drones and dropping bombs from 10km up in the air, before running off. You don’t get much more gutless than killing civilians like that.
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December 18, 2014 7:36pm
Lucia Maria

I would like to see the stats for how likely a Muslim is to be killed by a Christian Yank.

Probably far less likely than for a Muslim to be killed by a more fanatical Muslim, ala the recent gutless massacre of school children in Pakistan.
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December 18, 2014 7:39pm
Kea

Shorn, still waiting to hear why hating Jews is worse than hating Muslims, Mormons or Soccer players ?

You don’t see me on here demanding certain religious groups are rounded up and exterminated, which is daily fare on KB. Nor do you see me defending neo Nazis in the Ukraine, and real Nazis in the Baltic.
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December 18, 2014 7:39pm
nasska

The London bus and tube bombings, 7 July 2005 – Over 50 innocents butchered by the evil of Islamism.

The Aug 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot: Dozens of British Muslims plan to slaughter 3,000 civilian men, women and children.

Attempted London car bombs, June 2007.

Botched attack on Glasgow airport, June 2007

And that is only Britain 2005 to 2007. The fact that some of the terrorists were incompetent is incidental…..attempted murder is sufficient to cause alarm amongst intended victims.

http://markhumphrys.com/islamist.terror.uk.html#london
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December 18, 2014 7:40pm
mikenmild

I’m picking that nasska has been convinced by the infantile prediction that once Muslims become more than x% of the population all sorts of bad things happen. It’s just not true. We will all be Chinese before the Muslims ever amount to any kind of a threat here.
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December 18, 2014 7:40pm
freemark

Cowards like the Airmen of WW2?
Is that what you are trying to say?
Or are you saying that anyone apart from your Terrorist heroes is deliberately targeting civilians?
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December 18, 2014 7:41pm
Lucia Maria

Muslims aren’t really all that picked on Kea, see my first comment from today above.
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December 18, 2014 7:42pm
Kea

Lucy, spare the fake concern for the kids. You say nothing when people demand their entire country be nuked and all of them be exterminated.

How many kids have your friends the Israelis killed ? What about the Yanks ?

“Notice how there has never been any serious diplomatic rift between Pakistan and Washington, even though Pakistani officials now admit that at least 67 innocent civilians have been killed by US drones since 2008. One UN investigator puts the number at 400 since 2004. Some human rights groups put the number even higher.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-undeclared-drone-war-on-the-people-of-pakistan/5356569
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December 18, 2014 7:43pm
Kea

Ramallah, July 24, 2014—As the child death toll rises at an alarming rate in Gaza, the United Nations expressed serious concern that, on average, Israeli forces killed one child every hour for the past three days.

The total number of confirmed child deaths now stands at 123, with an additional 60 cases under investigation by DCI-Palestine.

http://www.dci-palestine.org/documents/death-toll-palestinian-children-spirals-israel-expands-gaza-offensive
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December 18, 2014 7:44pm
nasska

….”Well, nasska, the future is by definition imagined.”….

Therefore you are completely dismissing the wisdom of projecting ahead using data harvested from other similar counties?

We as a nation base all sorts of decisions on information gleaned from external sources.
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December 18, 2014 7:45pm
RF

Kea. 7.29pm.

Lies and statistics can be used support any argument. I prefer to guard against evil rag heads.

I am just content to be happy with JKs legislation and dream of the good old days when I was tooled up. Maybe a childhood dream / fantasy that should have been addressed years ago.
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December 18, 2014 7:46pm
mikenmild

nasska
See my 7.40pm
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December 18, 2014 7:50pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Lucy, spare the fake concern for the kids. You say nothing when people demand their entire country be nuked and all of them be exterminated.

I say nothing over a whole lot of subjects, just as you say nothing (eg haven’t heard a peep from you about abortion – does that mean you don’t give a shit about kids being killed?)

But it’s not my blog and it’s not your blog. It’s not our role to pipe up about every single freaking thing here.
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December 18, 2014 7:51pm
nasska

…” Maybe a childhood dream / fantasy that should have been addressed years ago.”….

It won’t be a fantasy when the first beheading happens RF…..you’ll probably regret not staying tooled up.
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December 18, 2014 7:53pm
freemark

Kea by the sounds supports the right of Hamas etc to (cowardly) use their own children as human shields while deliberately targeting other’s children. No doubt you support the NZ ferals who murder their own kids too…
Let me guess, also votes Green, Red or Mana..
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December 18, 2014 7:55pm
Viking2

You are gunna luv this.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/JOaiP7ZbfbI
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December 18, 2014 7:56pm
mikenmild

I think Griff gave some guidance yesterday on what weapons you can legally carry here. Might need them on the mean streets of Masterton, nasska. Stay away from the Cameron Block.
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December 18, 2014 7:56pm
nasska

….” We will all be Chinese before the Muslims ever amount to any kind of a threat here.”….

I actually hope you’re right Mike…..I reckon that in the long run our best hope is to be owned by the Chinese. Rest assured they are more than able to sort out the threat.

I’d rather live under the Communist Chinese than Islam.

Edit:

“Stay away from the Cameron Block.”

It’s pretty much a no go area now.
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December 18, 2014 7:57pm
cha

It won’t be a fantasy when the first beheading happens RF

Yes, best he doesn’t leave his deranged husband.
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/are-beheadings-terrorism-palmira-silva-was-third-woman-be-decapitated-london-year
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December 18, 2014 7:58pm
dad4justice

“dream of the good old days when I was tooled up.”

Are you a mate of Anton Ten Hove?
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December 18, 2014 7:58pm
mikenmild

nasska
I think there might be a distinction between being economically dependent upon China and being owned by the Chinese. Call me a hair splitter.
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December 18, 2014 8:02pm
kowtow

From yesterday’s GD

:”Michael (3,828 comments) says:
December 17th, 2014 at 9:04 am
An Irish joke.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64215733/Irish-driver-up-the-creek-over-kayak-on-car”

An Oirish joke,an Oirish joke I ask ye?

Well de joke is on de fucken plods..

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/new-zealand-police-apologise-to-irish-for-kayak-incident-1.2040902

From the Noddy website”In this case the officer believed obtaining compliance from the motorist and preventing a crash was a more effective outcome than issuing the driver a fine and she believed she was enhancing foreign relations. In this case while the man was a visitor to the region he was not Irish and as a result Waikato Police wish to offer an unreserved apology to any persons of Irish descent we may have offended.”

There’s a huge discrepancy in the circumstances of how each side of this story has been reported. That’s a worry.
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December 18, 2014 8:04pm
RF

dad4justice. 7.58pm

Sgt who might have been involved in an incident with an offender with a hammer in Stanmore Road. Never heard of him !!!!!
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December 18, 2014 8:05pm
Kea

I judge by the down ticks the KB community is not opposed to killing kids in principle. Only if – they – do it.

I am a simple kind of guy and can just say; I am opposed to killing kids.

Maybe its because I don’t take my morality from imaginary sky fairies.
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December 18, 2014 8:06pm
nasska

Doesn’t bother me too much either way Mike. Just so long as the Chinese have enough influence so that they can do what needs to be done when the bombings start…..sure as hell our present crop of legislators lack the guts to call it as it needs called.

I have very little faith in our socialist border controllers & their desire to welcome all comers.
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December 18, 2014 8:10pm
Kea

the good old days when I was tooled up

The killing of an innocent man by armed police during a confrontation with an armed man in Auckland yesterday was a tragedy,

Mr Naitoko, a courier driver whose partner is pregnant with twins, died in a flurry of shots, some fired by two police officers and some fired by the armed man. Post-mortem results released earlier today indicated that the fatal shot was fired by police.

The victim was working instead of his mother, who is due to give birth to her tenth child on Monday.

His mother told TV3 she was supposed to be driving the courier van yesterday but her son had told her to put her feet up “because I’m due to have a baby on Monday”.

“I was supposed to go with him but then he said stay home, he can do it by himself.”

She said her son was always cheerful and willing to help.

“I think that’s what we are going to miss the most here, is his smiling face.

“No matter how hard the job is … he’s still going to do it with a smiling face.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10553399
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December 18, 2014 8:11pm
mikenmild

You should vote for legislators with more ‘guts’ then nasska.
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December 18, 2014 8:12pm
stephieboy

How incredibly misleading.Kea is yet again attempting to rationalise and condone the murder of some 148 children and teachers in Pakistan by making an utterly false comparison with children killed in the Gazan wars.

As though IDF deliberately went out of heir way targeting and massacring children unlike his Taliban at Peshewawr .
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December 18, 2014 8:19pm
nasska

I don’t agree with about 20% of what National stands for or does Mike but compared with the Conservatives, NZF & the Greens with nothing to tempt me alongside a charitable sub 20% regard for Labour’s crap there’s only one obvious way to go.

Blue!
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December 18, 2014 8:19pm
Lucia Maria

I judge by the down ticks the KB community is not opposed to killing kids in principle. Only if – they – do it.

I am a simple kind of guy and can just say; I am opposed to killing kids.

Maybe its because I don’t take my morality from imaginary sky fairies.

Where’s your condemnation of the killings of Pakistani school kids, Kea? I’ve also missed your outrage over the Sydney terrorism killings. All that’s been seen is your defense of all things Islam, and your condemnation of Israel and America, and all those who are outraged over what has just happened in Australia.

You are very, very selective in what you are opposed to and what you will defend.
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December 18, 2014 8:21pm
freemark

Tragic that accidental shooting wasn’t it. Should have left the crim on the run to take even more innocents out. What part of “deliberately targeting civilians” vs “unfortunate & regrettable” deaths of non-combatants do you retarded Lefties not understand?
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December 18, 2014 8:22pm
Lucia Maria

The killing of an innocent man by armed police during a confrontation with an armed man in Auckland yesterday was a tragedy,

Mr Naitoko, a courier driver whose partner is pregnant with twins, died in a flurry of shots, some fired by two police officers and some fired by the armed man. Post-mortem results released earlier today indicated that the fatal shot was fired by police.

That is disgusting, blaming that death on police when if that armed man had not been involved in a confrontation with police, the innocent man would not have died. It’s on the bad guy, not the police that he died.

In a world where police did not confront armed men, how many innocents would die? Is that what you want, Kea – anarchy?
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December 18, 2014 8:26pm
kowtow

freemark

kea is not your run of the mill “retarded Lefty”

It’s actually an attention seeking troll .

Why so many KBers insist on engaging with it is beyond me.
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December 18, 2014 8:28pm
Kea

Lucy, no what is “disgusting” is an innocent kid being shot dead and no charges laid. I know it was an accident, however, when other people have accidents the police prosecute with vigor.

One law for all… yeah right !
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December 18, 2014 8:30pm
Kea

troll

Katie, this won’t help with your inability to think, reason, or construct a valid argument, but it may make your brain farts more varied.

http://www.thesaurus.com/

Note: Will not cure hypocrisy, bigotry, or double standards.
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December 18, 2014 8:33pm
Kea

“Where’s your condemnation of the killings of Pakistani school kids, Kea? I’ve also missed your outrage over the Sydney terrorism killings.”

Try looking on KB Lucy.

I condemn ALL religious nutters. That includes gods chosen ones and you lot, as well as Muslims, who I have said many times are my least favourite cult. I have also said numerous times I like the Jews the best, largely for their intellectual traditions.
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December 18, 2014 8:36pm
mikenmild

nasska
Voting National means that by and large you accept whatever Labour has done over the years. We like to imagine that there are large differences between them, but it’s all a bit of a storm in a tea cup.
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December 18, 2014 8:52pm
itstricky

I condemn ALL religious nutters. That includes gods chosen ones and you lot, as well as Muslims, who I have said many times are my least favourite cult. I have also said numerous times I like the Jews the best, largely for their intellectual traditions.

Careful now Kea. As I found out in the other thread today, anyone who dares not criticise that one religion comprehensively gets labelled as a leftie, the most demeaning statement a KBer could make about another. See, freemark’s done it already.

Of course, you’re clearly far from being a leftie based on your other statements but this one will put you well over the edge.
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December 18, 2014 8:55pm
nasska

That is the Achilles Heel of democracy Mike. Under “one man one vote” it’s easy to buy the vote of the populace merely by giving them other people’s money.

Whatever side opposes that spending will face a bleak political future when they want to turn off the tap….it’s a perfect example of personal greed in action.
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December 18, 2014 8:59pm
Kea

itstricky, yes any reference to that “one” desert cult must be framed in the most adoring and reverential terms and they must never be held to account in the same way as the mud races.
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December 18, 2014 9:01pm
mikenmild

Still think women’s suffrage was a bad idea, nasska?
Democracy outperforms other political arrangements. I think you just need to accept that most people like NZ just the way it is.
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December 18, 2014 9:02pm
MT_Tinman

Kea (13,540 comments) says:
December 18th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

I judge by the down ticks the KB community is not opposed to killing kids in principle.

Kea I admit I don’t swing with the big dicks but I’m damned if I can see a difference in killing people based on their age.

This “other peoples life is precious” thing is brand new to humanity – history shows us that life has always been cheap on this planet – and I admit I haven’t caught up yet.
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December 18, 2014 9:06pm
MT_Tinman

mikenmild (12,315 comments) says:
December 18th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

Still think women’s suffrage was a bad idea, nasska?

Can’t answer for Nasska but Switzerland’s recent experience demonstrates quite conclusively the answer is “YES!”.
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December 18, 2014 9:08pm
nasska

….”Still think women’s suffrage was a bad idea, nasska?”…..

It was fair & proper to give women the vote but I don’t have to like what they’ve done with it.

And I’m generally a fan of NZ too…..I just think that membership of NZ Inc should only be given under stringent conditions imposed by us & only to those guaranteed to benefit us. Not the social engineers of the UN.
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December 18, 2014 9:10pm
mikenmild

Well the UN is just a flawed attempt on the path to a better goal – one world government.
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December 18, 2014 9:12pm
Kea

“Kea I admit I don’t swing with the big dicks but I’m damned if I can see a difference in killing people based on their age.”

Nor can I.

I also can not see the difference based on gender, race, religion, or other accidents of birth. Of course that is not a popular position on KB, where every statement includes a special pleading for preferred groups.

Eg: Treating women like second class citizens is bad… but not if Orthodox Jews do it. Same with burning shops for selling “immoral” records, spitting on Christians, attacks on Christians and places of worship, Acid attacks, Morality patrols etc. All these things are rightly condemned… but not when Jews do it.
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December 18, 2014 9:13pm
nasska

Goal yes….better no.
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December 18, 2014 9:15pm
Kea

”Still think women’s suffrage was a bad idea, nasska?”

Ask yourself. This evil hag is set to gain even more power as part of a corrupt and rotten organisation.

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1407912900/341/10380341.jpg
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December 18, 2014 9:16pm
nasska

It’s bloody difficult to get rid of any government that goes bad & gets corrupt Kea.

Imagine how we’d fare booting the UN when it had absolute power. I tremble at the thought of life under the utterly corrupt arseholes backstabbing themselves into positions of Supreme Leaders even now.
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December 18, 2014 9:23pm
All_on_Red

I do find it ironic that the people who think one world government is the way to go tend to want smaller wards and better direct representation in local government…
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December 18, 2014 9:27pm
Kea

nasska, you are right to be afraid. Their goal is global communism and a central power base.
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December 18, 2014 9:32pm
Shawn Herles

Shorn, still waiting to hear why hating Jews is worse than hating Muslims, Mormons or Soccer players ?

I have never said it was.

And that is a childish argument Kea. You are basically saying that because some people are bigots and/or racists then it is ok for you to do so.

“But Mummy, everyone else does it.”

That kind of excuse mongering does not wash with me.

It is wrong to hate ANY group of people.

Unlike you I am consistent on that principle. I do not hate any group. I do not hate Muslims, and I have repeatedly over the last few days defended non-militant Muslims and Islam itself.

Some people here, motivated by hate, may want to kill all Muslims, but they are not the majority on KB, and using other peoples bigotry as an excuse for your own is morally bankrupt.

To include soccer players in this is just silly bollocks. Nobody is trying to kill all soccer players.
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December 18, 2014 9:32pm
freemark

Yeah Sticky..being a Leftie is pretty much the worst anyone can be..I mean look at the troughing, dishonest, racist & sexist ideology.
So what’s your point?
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December 18, 2014 9:35pm
stephieboy

Kea and the triumph of lunacy against reason.

The lunatic behaviour of certain Orthodox Jews do not represent official Israel government policy unlike your Pakistan and Afghanistan Taliban and their Sharia.

By them is a concerted attempted by them to use Sharia to keep women under virtual house arrest much like I would say you might try in your own home.
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December 18, 2014 9:35pm
big bruv

No religion, no slaughter.

Simple really.
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December 18, 2014 9:36pm
Shawn Herles

And this is crap:

Treating women like second class citizens is bad… but not if Orthodox Jews do it. Same with burning shops for selling “immoral” records, spitting on Christians, attacks on Christians and places of worship, Acid attacks, Morality patrols etc. All these things are rightly condemned… but not when Jews do it.

First, people do condemn those things.

But what you always conveniently gloss over is that Orthodox Jews are not carrying out a global terrorist war. We do not have Jewish gunmen taking hostages in Sydney. It was not Jews who slaughtered over a hundred children yesterday.

You are trying to play a moral equivalence argument that does not fit the facts
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December 18, 2014 9:37pm
Shawn Herles

No religion, no slaughter.

Simple really.

Atheist Communism.

Argument over.
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December 18, 2014 9:39pm
big bruv

Very poor argument Shawn. Very poor indeed.

Communism killed plenty of people, of that there is no doubt. But to blame atheism just shows how bad your retort is.

You just keep sticking your head in the sand, and, keep making apologies for the atrocities carried out in the name of religion.
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December 18, 2014 9:43pm
big bruv

I cant remember who said this Shawn but it remains just as true today as the day I first heard it.

Good people, left to their own devices will generally do good things.
Bad people, left to their own devices will generally do bad things.
However, if you want a good person to do bad things, well, that takes religion.
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December 18, 2014 9:45pm
big bruv

“You are trying to play a moral equivalence argument that does not fit the facts”

Yet, you do the very same thing by defending religion.
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December 18, 2014 9:46pm
Shawn Herles

BB, the fact remains that atheism was the official state policy of regimes that killed more people than Islamic terrorists have, by a long shot. Hundreds of millions died in less than a hundred years, slaughtered by militant secular regimes.

I am not blaming atheism itself for that. What I am pointing out is that your John Lennon fantasy that if we just get rid of religion peace and harmony will break out does not fit the historical evidence.
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December 18, 2014 9:46pm
Shawn Herles

Good people, left to their own devices will generally do good things.

There are no good people. All humans beings have the innate capacity for evil.
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December 18, 2014 9:47pm
Sponge

Religion is the refuge of the insecure.

I got caned by the parson at school for saying that BTW. Do unto others etc.. no doubt 🙂
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December 18, 2014 9:50pm
big bruv

“There are no good people. All humans beings have the innate capacity for evil.”

Oh, let me guess. And everybody would be evil were it not for your bible telling us all how to live.

Aside from the fact that what you claim is laughable, it is simply not true. There are good people, and there are bad people. The only thing that can convince good people to do bad things is religion.
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December 18, 2014 9:51pm
Shawn Herles

Aside from the fact that what you claim is laughable, it is simply not true.

It’s observable fact. All human beings can do evil, and all of them do at some point or another in their lives. All people are a mixture of good and bad, nobody is purely one or the other.

The only thing that can convince good people to do bad things is religion.

And again, atheist communism disproves that.
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December 18, 2014 9:53pm
big bruv

Shawn

“BB, the fact remains that atheism was the official state policy of regimes that killed more people than Islamic terrorists have, by a long shot”

It may well have been. But they were not Atheist communists. They were communists who happened to be atheists.

Religion has always been the main reason people kill each other. It remains so to this day.
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December 18, 2014 9:56pm
Lucia Maria

Good people, left to their own devices will generally do good things.
Bad people, left to their own devices will generally do bad things.
However, if you want a good person to do bad things, well, that takes religion.

Shawn is right, there are no good people.

The last line of the above should be rewritten as “if you want a bad person to do good things, you need a redemptive religion”.
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December 18, 2014 10:01pm
Shawn Herles

They were communists who happened to be atheists.

Not true. Atheism was an integral part of the world view of communism, and communism itself, which again, killed more people last century than any other ideology, was militantly anti-religious and militantly secular.

Your argument just does not fit the facts.

Moreover, for your claim to be true, then every murder theft, rape, assault and every other possible crime would have to be motivated by religion, and that is clearly not the case.

The vast majority of murders in NZ are not inspired by religion.

Religion is not the problem. Non-religion is not the problem. The human heart is.
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December 18, 2014 10:01pm
Shawn Herles

My point here is not to blame atheism, but to point out that people can and will do evil things REGARDLESS of whether they are religious or non-religious.

To put it another way, the problem is not “out there” in any ideology, but within ourselves.

Anyway, I have an early start tomorrow, so goodnight all.

And God bless! 😉
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December 18, 2014 10:05pm
EAD

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-17/new-poll-finds-59-americans-support-post-911-torture-%E2%80%93-propaganda-cultural-sickness-
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December 18, 2014 10:10pm
Rowan

What a surprise
Again GD is hijacked by the bigoted trolls and turned into a religious hate spew by Kea and Bigot Blouse
Get a life arseholes!
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December 18, 2014 10:48pm
Nookin

I have been following the comments, Rowan, and I have to suggest that the first sign of bigotry and hate spew came at 10.48 pm. Until then there was a relatively balanced exchange of view by people with different worldviews. It wasnt really a conversation that interested me but it certainly wasnt one deserving of that diatribe.
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December 18, 2014 11:28pm
sam green

I like to debate, hear debate and maybe get thinking about things but jeez, some of you people are nasty. Stop attacking the person for goodness sake. Anyway, am having internal debate about how many communist countries were actually “atheist”. Governmentally maybe but Russian and Chinese people themselves? Nah. But yes – atrocities in the 20th century are off the scale and it ain’t looking too good for this millenium unless we start to look for different solutions to age old problems. Violence begets more extreme violence surely. Can’t we see that?
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December 19, 2014 12:35am
tom hunter

I hope you all have a good summer in NZ.

For me it’s lights out here.

The world of stone fireplaces, trees and rivers belongs again to the owl and the possum.
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December 19, 2014 2:53am
Viking2

Has your courier company warned you about this???

National transport firm Freightways has extended its policy of charging for an unsuccessful courier delivery.

The company’s New Zealand Couriers (NZC) and Post Haste businesses will both soon recover part of the cost of redelivering items after a missed first attempt.

NZC plans to charge $2.87 from February 2015. Post Haste already advises customers that a redirection or redelivery “may incur an additional fee”.

Freightways managing director Dean Bracewell said its fees were about increasing the group’s first-time courier delivery rate in response to a growing amount of business-to-consumer mail.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/64300648/couriers-charging-for-absence
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December 19, 2014 6:25am
Manolo

What will the Messiah’s administration do? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/asia/us-links-north-korea-to-sony-hacking.html

American officials have concluded that North Korea was “centrally involved” in the hacking of Sony Pictures computers, even as the studio canceled the release of a far-fetched comedy about the assassination of the North’s leader that is believed to have led to the cyberattack.

Senior administration officials, who would not speak on the record about the intelligence findings, said the White House was debating whether to publicly accuse North Korea of what amounts to a cyberterrorism attack. Sony capitulated after the hackers threatened additional attacks, perhaps on theaters themselves, if the movie, “The Interview,” was released.
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