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December 13, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Reid

Your assumption is that because some academics lean or are Left wing then all academic research is therefore not credible is, well, not credible. It is in fact, a very weak excuse for swallowing Kremlin propaganda and the tripe Henry Makow writes.

Try to take Makow apart on a given article.

I dare you.

Don’t criticise the source.

Take it apart, word by word.

And I’ll nominate the article.

That’s only fair, you’re the one who’s alleging all of them are bullshit.

Want to take that up?

It is a fact that several Muslim terrorists flew planes into the twin towers on 911.

No actually, it’s only a fact the media have alleged that. It’s interesting most (or all?) of them were Saudis isn’t it. Why, pray tell, do you think that meant that Iraq needed to be invaded, for what turned out later, in the public arena, to be an invented excuse?
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December 13, 2014 8:59pm
Shawn Herles

Dr.Henry Makow is what you get when you cross a whiny, Warren Farrellian men’s rights activist with a paranoid, David Ickian conspiracy theorist. In Makow’s warped imagination, the world is being controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Communist forces spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation, to which feminism can be attributed as a scheme designed to encourage women not to have children as part of greater depopulation efforts. He also designs board games.

Makow believes that the world is controlled by the satanic Skull and Bones society, which is apparently an Illuminati front group. He knows this because George W. Bush once made the Satanic horn sign.[3] Makow also believes that the Illuminati was created by Kabbalah Jews acting in concert with the Knights Templar.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_Makow

Nuff said really! 🙂
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December 13, 2014 9:05pm
Reid

No not really Shawn. Take up my challenge, or stop alleging Makow is bullshit. One or the other. It’s a fair challenge, given you’re the one whose been making the allegations about Makow, so over to you to respond. Ball’s in your court.

No excuses permitted, with men of integrity. How say you, Shawn?
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December 13, 2014 9:06pm
Kea

Reid, how dare you question attacking Iraq because some Saudis (US allies) flew some planes into buildings. Next thing you will be saying it was wrong to attack Afghanistan because the Saudis (US allies) attacked some buildings.

This is crazy talk. Before you know it you will question the US attacking Mali, Yemen and 36 other African countries… because some Saudis (US allies) hijaked some planes.

You crazy bastard 😯
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December 13, 2014 9:07pm
Shawn Herles

No not really Shawn.

Yes, really Reid. Makow is a fruitcake plain and simple, and I will happily keep saying so whether you like it or not.

I happen to know a great deal about Qabalah, I have been studying it for many years, and even just a cursory look at Makow’s take on it shows me that he does not have a clue what he is talking about.

So I already know he is not worth taking seriously, and if you did far more research on subjects which were not dependent on such sources, so would you.
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December 13, 2014 9:11pm
Johnboy

Didn’t King Abdullah give Stormin Norman a medal once? That makes everything OK folks! 🙂
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December 13, 2014 9:12pm
Reid

So you’re not taking up the simple challenge to put your money where your mouth is Shawn.

That says a lot about you, my brother.

I’ll thank you then not to bother critiquing my perspectives in future since you seem so untroubled to justify yourself. Just let them slide, as befits a gentleman who isn’t prepared to respond to a reasonable challenge from a fellow.
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December 13, 2014 9:14pm
Kea

Surely the most beautiful and capable aircraft ever built, piloted by the best in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbnT7jnNNoE
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December 13, 2014 9:18pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, as I said, I already know Makow cannot be taken seriously. I know this because he is inexcusably wrong, in every detail, about the nature of Qabalah. If he can be so wrong on that issue, there is no reason for me to take anything else he says seriously.

I’ll thank you then not to bother criticising my perspectives in future since

Don’t be such a whiny child. If you post anything on KB, expect it to be challenged.
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December 13, 2014 9:19pm
Shawn Herles

Not to mention that he promotes David Icke’s idea that alien lizard people from space run the world!

Is that not a bit of a clue to you?
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December 13, 2014 9:23pm
Johnboy

I always thought Obama and Putin never looked quite humanoid Shawn! 🙂
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December 13, 2014 9:28pm
Shawn Herles

Some real air force pilots, from the US Nazy!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGJBmCzB5Q
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December 13, 2014 9:28pm
Johnboy

Don’t even get me started on Charlie and Camela! 🙂
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December 13, 2014 9:29pm
Reid

I already know Makow cannot be taken seriously. I know this because he is inexcusably wrong, in every detail, about the nature of Qabalah. If he can be so wrong on that issue, there is no reason for me to take anything else he says seriously.

Shawn this is precisely the same position that lefties take on John Key. He’s rich, he was a banker, therefore, he’s a wanker. End of story. As far as the lefties are concerned.

Are you seriously suggesting to the entire KB community that your thinking is THAT shallow?

BTW, there is no nuance possible for you here. You’re suggesting the entirety of Makow’s extensive work is bollocks based on your single example. THIS IS PRECISELY REPEAT PRECISELY WHAT THE LEFTIES DO WITH KEY.

So.

Yes or No, to the entirely reasonable challenge I offered?
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December 13, 2014 9:37pm
Kea

Meeericans think plane is part of Navy 😆

Death to Merica ❗
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December 13, 2014 9:38pm
Kea

Watching those Yank planes lurch around the sky makes me appreciate the SU 27 even more. I did not know you could make a military jet look so dull !

No wonder they have failed in every single conflict they have been used in, regardless of the fact they were attacking goat herders and rice farmers.

All they need to do is duck really, as most US servicemen commit suicide before the enemy can get near them.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/01/us-military-suicide-epidemic-veteran
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December 13, 2014 9:45pm
Shawn Herles

Shawn this is precisely the same position that lefties take on John Key. He’s rich, he was a banker, therefore, he’s a wanker. End of story. As far as the lefties are concerned.

No, it is very different. Their position is based on prejudice. Mine is based, in part, on knowing a particular subject, and knowing for a fact that Makow is talking total crap on that subject. To me, if he get’s something like Qaballah so badly wrong, I have no reason to take anything else he says seriously, especially when his articles are largely based on assertion with no credible evidence.

But here is my main concern. If you look back at history, most examples of mob violence against a particular group, and most examples of mass murder, from the Boxer rebellion, to Russian programs against the Jews, to the Holocaust, were motivated in large part by conspiracy theories directed at that group, some of which were very similar, almost identical, to ones you promote.

I have no problem with people believing things that the mainstream considers whacky, I do myself, but paranoid conspiracy theories have a bad track record of getting large numbers of innocent people killed.

This is why I oppose what you post, it is why I oppose your take on Zionism, and it is why I oppose people here who say all Muslims are potential terrorists.

All of you are playing fast and loose with other peoples lives.
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December 13, 2014 10:01pm
Reid

This is why I oppose what you post, it is why I oppose your take on Zionism, and it is why I oppose people here who say all Muslims are potential terrorists.

Shawn compared to me on Kiwiblog you haven’t been around for very long (even in your former aliases) but you must have noticed since your relatively late arrival that from day one of your arrival and I can tell you from day one of my arrival in 2003, that I’ve been consistently one of the few here who have been hammering home to the uninformed the perfectly true message that not all Muslims are bad.

My brother, the perspective I take tells me that evil ones at the top of Western societies wish so to paint them. I’m a Christian blessed with discernment. Therefore I see Satanic machinations when others don’t. Those at the top of Western societies are Satanic. Plain and simple. And as you know Satan is clever. Therefore he doesn’t come right out and do whatever it is he wants to do, he slices the elephant, so a fraction at a time, society changes, according to how he wants it to change. And he has all the time in the world.

So where is God’s will in this? God, clearly, is letting this happen. ISIS and all the rest of it. Why?

My perspective is the only one which totally and completely explains that question. I know you don’t know that yet. That’s because you haven’t yet bothered to explore my perspective.

All of you are playing fast and loose with other peoples lives.

I’ll put my love of people up against yours anytime my brother, and let’s be judged by the Lamb. I’m obviously not going to predict that outcome, but I’m happy to put myself up before Him.

One thing you should do, IMHO, and that is seriously research whether or not there is a distinction between Zionism and Judaism.

Is it possible they are NOT the same?

Is it possible they are in fact antipathetic, but Satan has, over the centuries, conflated them?

That is a very serious question to a Christian.

One of the most important questions any Christian can confront. And one which in today’s world, all Christians must confront, if they wish to come to the truth.
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December 13, 2014 10:36pm
Reid

And what better disguise, than to place Satans agent’s of destruction, amongst God’s chosen people?
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December 13, 2014 10:43pm
Odakyu-sen

Shawn @ 10:01 p.m.

“…paranoid conspiracy theories have a bad track record of getting large numbers of innocent people killed.”

Reminds of a quote from the movie “Men in Black”
Kay: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.”

BTW, to beat terrorism, you need the software; not the hardware. By that I mean the powers of intelligence, propaganda, deception and stealth necessary to disturb, distract, confuse, isolate and neutralize the bad guys. (Note: neutralization is used here in its broadest sense and does not necessarily mean killing.)
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December 13, 2014 11:41pm
Gulag1917

“Abandon helicopters. Use bombers. Bomb Germany, France, Italy, Greece, the entire eurozone. Bomb them with banknotes, cash, anything to boost demand. The money must go straight to households, not to banks. Banks have had their day and miserably failed to spend. From now on they get nothing.”
Simon Jenkins,
The Guardian
Thursday 27 November 2014:
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December 15, 2014 1:13am
Manolo

stephie will be torn between these two: http://nypost.com/2014/12/14/elizabeth-warren-poses-a-challenge-to-hillary-in-2016/

Massachusetts firebrand Sen. Elizabeth Warren emerges from Washington’s budget clash as the undisputed champion of the rising left, and will almost certainly challenge Clinton for the 2016 nomination.
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