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waikatogirl

No worries Shawn, knew you didn’t condone idiotic comments. You just pointed out the obvious 😉
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December 10, 2014 1:23pm
kowtow

Those 100,000 Syrian refugees. Germany and Sweden have agreed to take the most.

Swedens govt has just fallen due to the rise of a pro Sweden party and we have news of growing protests in Germany over the Islamisation of that country.

The political elites really are out of touch or are they seeking to create conflict and division?

“The Sweden Democrats, the only party that opposes the Scandinavian country’s famed liberal immigration laws, had sworn to topple the government and said the next election would hinge on immigration issues.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/first-to-recognize-palestine-swedish-government-falls/
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December 10, 2014 1:25pm
Rachael Membery

waikatogirl (811 comments) says:

December 10th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

Padriv is KB’s version of Borat. He is having a laugh for a bit of fun.

PARODY, I think it is very clever and puts uncomfortable issues very well. Thought provoking and believable. I think the analogy to Borat, brilliant.
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December 10, 2014 1:29pm
Paulus

I see that the Salvation Army of which I am a supporter says that it is the School Decile that cause poverty.
Easy to change and make all schools a Decile 10.
To relieve so called Poverty in New Zealand give every “Poor Family” a $1,000 a week handout – then there will be no Poverty.
YEA – RIGHT
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December 10, 2014 1:34pm
Manolo

I see no reason to support the Salvation Army, home of wowsers and do-gooders (and defender of paedophiles in its midst). There are many more charities worthy of financial support.
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December 10, 2014 1:38pm
Komata

Shawn, Waikatogirl

Sadly, I don’t think that Padriv IS being ‘funny’, simply because in the ‘real’ Muslim world , the rankings of those things which are ‘important’ are (1) Men, (2) Donkeys, (3) Human females, with the last two being totally subject to (1). When viewed from that perspective, his statements are quite logical…
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December 10, 2014 1:41pm
IGM

Check the political affiliations of scumbag Ambrose, makes really good reading. No need to guess where his legal fees are being funded.
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December 10, 2014 1:47pm
Manolo

They would be toast of the Labour Party: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/08/the-rise-and-fall-of-chris-hughes-and-sean-eldridge-america-s-worst-gay-couple.html

They are very generous with their money and time,” Richard Socarides, a former Clinton administration staffer and television pundit prattled. “They are young, rich, smart, and good-looking. It’s a pretty powerful combination.”
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December 10, 2014 1:52pm
Manolo

Another reason to label Greenpeace a terrorist organisation: http://www.euronews.com/nocomment/2014/12/09/giant-greenpeace-protest-banner-set-up-beside-ancient-nazca-lines/

Before dawn on Monday (December 8), Greenpeace activists set up an enormous climate change banner beside the historic Nazca lines located on a stretch of coastal desert in Peru.

The message was set up beside a giant hummingbird-shaped formation created by the Nazca culture that flourished in the region from 100 BC to around 800 AD.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/peru-indignant-greenpeace-stunt-nazca-lines-27488218

Peru’s Culture Ministry is expressing indignation at a stunt by the environmental group Greenpeace at the world-renowned Nazca lines and says it will seek to prevent those responsible from leaving the country.

The ministry said in a statement Tuesday that the activists entered a “strictly prohibited” area beside the famous figure of a hummingbird to lay big yellow cloth letters reading: “Time for Change; The Future is Renewable.”

It alleged Greenpeace “seriously affected” the fragile area with Monday’s action, but did not detail the alleged damage or alleged illicit infraction.
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December 10, 2014 2:35pm
doggone7

dime: “doggone7 – quite the ideologue aint ya!”

I don’t know, I’d have to look it up in the dictionary. I just find it weird that Members of Parliament from Epsom know what is best for isolated communities in Northland. They certainly make use of the power gained by political wheeler-dealing to implement their grand plans.

My ancestors probably did the same thing actually, taking bags of flour, coloured beads and muskets out into the back blocks to cajole the natives.
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December 10, 2014 2:43pm
kowtow

Cameron really is a loon.

“David Cameron wants Turkey to join the European Union, despite his drive to reduce net migration to tens of thousands.
The Prime Minister said yesterday that it remained a ‘long-standing goal’ for Britain that the nation of 75million people should join the EU, and that the issue was under active discussion.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2867835/I-d-welcome-Turkey-EU-says-PM-Cameron-says-remains-long-standing-goal-country-join-despite-drive-reduce-net-migration.html
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December 10, 2014 2:51pm
publicwatchdog

Flapper – since when was Kiwiblog YOUR blog?

Please advise at your earliest convenience?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

‘Kiwiblogger’ who forms and expresses her own considered opinions, which she is not frightened to express to the ‘sheepish’ hordes (as it were 🙂

Meant of course, in a caring way ….
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December 10, 2014 2:57pm
jonar

Hey DPF, I’m looking forward to a blog post on this report “Revealed: how the wealth gap holds back economic growth” http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/09/revealed-wealth-gap-oecd-report?CMP=fb_gu
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December 10, 2014 3:00pm
publicwatchdog

Define ‘terrorist’ BOYolo?

Peaceful protesting by Greenpeace = ‘TERRORISM’???

Give me a break …..

Thanks for helping to prove why giving increased powers of surveillance to the untrustworthy SIS is just SO dangerous ….

Penny Bright
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December 10, 2014 3:01pm
srylands

“Peaceful protesting by Greenpeace = ‘TERRORISM’???”

No, but Greenpeace is vile and dangerous. What is your point?
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December 10, 2014 3:17pm
James Stephenson

The Prime Minister said yesterday that it remained a ‘long-standing goal’ for Britain that the nation of 75million people should join the EU, and that the issue was under active discussion.”

Context: Part of the conditions for Turkey to join the EU is to get out of Cyprus, a former British possession which the “Sir Humphreys”, who really drive all this policy stuff, feel a continuing obligation to fix.
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December 10, 2014 3:50pm
Nukuleka

Over on The Standard Phil Twyford has a very misleading piece about Bill English selling off ‘our’ State houses and encouraging folk to write to complain.

I find it interesting that Lyn Prentice makes such a big deal about his having resigned his membership from the Labour Party and how The Standard is not a mouthpiece for Labour, and yet it seems so often that it is just that. Not so long ago each of the candidates for the Labour leadership had a post and then a Q and A session with commenters. He would no doubt claim that his blog provides a voice for the broad left and that his posters represent a wide spectrum of that particular breed. Be that as it may he is not in much of a position to criticise other bloggers who clearly nail their blogs to a particular political mast. Perhaps they are just a little more honest and transparent than he claims to be.
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December 10, 2014 3:51pm
Jack5

Waikatogirl (12.13 post).

I wouldn’t bother replying to Padriv Ustoev, as in the 11.48 post under that name.
“Padriv Ustoev” is a piss take. When you take the bait, this fake poster scores.
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December 10, 2014 4:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Jonar 3pm…. I thought a few of us were talking/debating around the OECD report today.
I’m impressed by the OECD call for high-quality education for the lower income groups

“Anti-poverty programmes will
not be enough. Not only cash transfers but also
increasing access to public services, such as
high-quality education, training and healthcare,
constitute long-term social investment to create
greater equality of opportunities in the long run. ”

We can’t let the great tail of failure continue for 25% of our pupils. That disaster has been dragging on for too long.
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December 10, 2014 4:02pm
Rachael Membery

waikatogirl (812 comments) says:

December 10th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

And yet it is mainly perpetuated by women. Mothers, grandmothers, village women on their own gender. It is tragic that these mutilated women are still expected to have sex and give birth, unimaginable.

Even ‘westernised’ women take their daughters ‘home’ to be mutilated.

Any sunlight shone on this practice has to create awareness and hopefully change.
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December 10, 2014 4:05pm
Manolo

Even ‘westernised’ women take their daughters ‘home’ to be mutilated.
Any sunlight shone on this practice has to create awareness and hopefully change.

Where are the feminists, the academics, the liberal defenders of women’s rights?

The truth is that the ruling elites accept this form of barbarism in the name of “multiculturalism” and political correctness. With a few honourable exceptions, most of these cowards will never dare to offend the savage Muslims who practice genital mutilation.
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December 10, 2014 4:14pm
Inandout

waikatogirl: Feminist groups should be up in arms about female mutilation. Hell, next they will be cutting off women’s tongues to stop the pleasure of taste, noses to stop the pleasure of smell, and maybe ears to minimise the pleasure of sound. What a weird bloody faith.
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December 10, 2014 4:19pm
Rachael Membery

Quite possibly first practiced due to insecure men, making sure that there was no pleasurable reason for women to be unfaithful. Certainly no physical health reason that I can countenance.

I remember when I first heard of it, inexplicable.
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December 10, 2014 4:24pm
Jack5

Rachel Membery (4.24)

Yeah, female genital mutilation is appalling. I can’t understand why the now femininised MSM doesn’t have the country in an uproar about it.

I hope it’s not because too many of the TV Barbie clones have had their sons circumcised. There is usually a medical reason for this, except among Muslims and Jews. How could there be an experiment to see if circumcision reduced male sexual pleasure? Get some male volunteers, lured by a free supply of call girls, and give them before and after surveys?
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December 10, 2014 4:33pm
cricko

Gidday Padriv Ustoev,

As a good muslim maybe you can help some correspondents here get a handle on
just how easy it would be for a muslim to truly integrate into our society by addressing a hypothetical question.

If you had a daughter and she came home one day and announced that she intended
to marry an infidel, lets say a good Catholic boy for example, and in accordance with Catholic tradition
she had agreed to bring up any children in her husbands faith.

How would you feel about them apples ?

Thanks Padriv.
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December 10, 2014 4:35pm
Jack5

Cricko (re your 4.35):

There will be a delay. Padriv no speak English. He needs two translators: one to Russian, then Russian to a rare dialect of Turkish.
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December 10, 2014 4:37pm
Rachael Membery

Jack5 (5,207 comments) says:

December 10th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

I think sand and cleanliness, might have had something to do with that, well for our soldiers at any rate. No doubt if I am wrong I will be corrected.
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December 10, 2014 4:44pm
cricko

Oh, and Padriv,

Lets say the wedding was to be held in his Catholic church and the happy couple asked if you
would pay for the reception as father of the bride.

How would that go down with you ?
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December 10, 2014 4:45pm
Jack5

Cricko (4.45 post):

I didn’t realise Catholics were still somewhat prejudiced towards non-Catholic Christians, let alone unbelievers. Years ago, the rule seemed to be the non-Catholic would-be spouse was expected to agree to the children being brought up Catholic.

Many of the atheists and agnostics I know are ex-Catholic, though the Catholic Church seems to be holding its flock numbers better than most other Christian denominations, except in Latin America.

I thought the expectation that the bride’s father pays for the wedding would have died with feminism’s rise.
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December 10, 2014 4:52pm
Jack5

Whale is good today on that Leftist Bradbury”:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/12/impotent-rage-gives-way-quiet-resignation/#more-167189
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December 10, 2014 5:15pm
kowtow

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-crimewave-that-shames-the-world-2072201.html

“Honour” killings.
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December 10, 2014 5:23pm
cricko

Yep Jack5

You are correct on both points, but I’m a bit of a traditionalist and I am pretty
sure that most good muslims and are dead set on tradition. (jeez, mohamed tells them to kill apostates.)

They were hypothetical questions, posed to give our mate Padriv a platform so that he
has the chance to educate some here on reality regarding their misguided hope that muslims can
integrate just the same as all other immigrants except muslims can and do.

FYI I’m an Anglican myself but I had to jump through that hoop in order to marry my ex wife who
was Catholic, her parents were immigrants from Holland.

And guess what, her whole family are now integrated as Kiwis and still proud of their Dutch heritage.

Both her sisters married Kiwis and she re married another kiwi.
All happy, all have families now and all are truly integrated after one generation.

This is just not possible with muslims.

That is my point.

Some correspondents here are just unable to grasp that point and fail to understand the
difference between muslims and any other immigrants.
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December 10, 2014 5:27pm
Jack5

Cricko (5.27)….

I think you are right. It will be harder for Muslims to integrate in the West than it has been for Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians to integrate. Muslims’ attitudes to women in particular will have to change dramatically if they are to merge with the rest of Westerners.

Other medieval views and customs will also hold them apart, such as their rejection of the concept of interest on money. This prejudice existed in the West four and more centuries ago, when it was believed that interest was unnatural, because only biological things were allowed to multiply in the general order of things. We’ve moved on. As in many other beliefs, the Muslims generally have not.

I agree with your point that it could take generations before present-Muslims’ descendants seamlessly integrate with others in the country. It will happen, but it will only happen painlessly and in a generation or two if the proportion of Muslims in the country remains quite modest, IMHO.
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December 10, 2014 5:42pm
big bruv

How many times has the pompous old fool, and stinking Green Kennedy Graham tried to move a motion that the house recognise Palestine?

It was good to see that it was rejected but I did wonder if he had done it before.
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December 10, 2014 5:45pm
big bruv

If you really want to watch some political blood sport then check out todays question time. Key was on fire. He slaughtered comrade Wussel and then tore the arms and legs off Angry Andrew and the Labour low life.
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December 10, 2014 6:02pm
Viking2

Ain’t that Rennie a sleazy piece of crap.
Just watched him on the news.

Even the missus thinks he’s a slime ball.

Gees these weeping CEO’s are appalling.

Have to agree with Little. Time Rennie went and someone with some nuts took his place.
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December 10, 2014 6:17pm
EAD

Paul Craig Roberts highlights some uncomfortable truths:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/03/thinking-expensive-occupation-paul-craig-roberts/

“In the West truth is dying, because anyone who departs from the official line is branded “controversial.” In other words, truth or the search for it is controversial. People who persist in chasing after truth or alternative explanations to the official line are discredited by those who are not served by the truth or alternative explanations. Whistleblowers, once protected by federal law, have been turned into traitors”

“A spoon-fed, no-think society has been created for us, and no one is supposed to think. Reminds me of a science fiction story I read many years ago in which at some point in their development children were tested for the thinking gene. If they had it, they were put down in order to protect the society from dangerous thoughts.”
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December 10, 2014 6:20pm
Reid

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/19-signs-that-you-live-in-a-country-that-has-gone-completely-insane
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December 10, 2014 6:27pm
waikatogirl

The truth is that the ruling elites accept this form of barbarism in the name of “multiculturalism” and political correctness. With a few honourable exceptions, most of these cowards will never dare to offend the savage Muslims who practice genital mutilation.

Even ‘westernised’ women take their daughters ‘home’ to be mutilated.
Any sunlight shone on this practice has to create awareness and hopefully change.

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This nasty unnecessary practice is unlikely to change until the muslim women defy the paternalistic society they are bound into.

I realized Padriv was saying it for effect, but it was idiotic as it is a serious issue for these poor girls. I can’t think of anything more painful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 10, 2014 6:28pm
waikatogirl

Rachael: I think sand and cleanliness, might have had something to do with that, well for our soldiers at any rate. No doubt if I am wrong I will be corrected.

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I know this is a problem for desert dwelling men. I suspect female circumcision is more about male paranoia and control of their women. Any man who believes he could handle 72 virgins has narcissistic tendancies, as well as being delusional…
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December 10, 2014 6:43pm
cricko

Jack5

Sadly you are mistaken. So very, very mistaken.

Your last paragraph, where you credit me as suggesting that it will take many generations for
muslims to integrate is wrong. So very wrong.

That was not my point at all.
You have not understood, as so many do not yet understand.

I would draw you a picture if I could, I would even colour it in for you if it would help.

Try and get this. It is so simple realy. Concentrate.

muslims will never integrate into any western society including ours, EVER.

They cannot. They would cease to be muslims if they ever did.

Eventually they will work to turn convert our society to islam.
There is no such thing as a democratic muslim society anywhere on earth. Democracy and islam are mutually incompatable. But……
They will use our democratic system againist us when there are enough of them

Can I make it any clearer than that ?
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December 10, 2014 6:48pm
Manolo

Muslim men, a great deal of today’s Muslim men, believe there is no place for women outside the marital home. “Children and kitchen” is their backward point of view.

Why the feminists and the liberals and academics are not fighting this obsolete thinking? Fear. The the fear of offending vile Islam.
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December 10, 2014 6:50pm
Reid

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/john-pilger-war-by-media-and-the-triumph-of-propaganda-30803378.html?google_editors_picks=true
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December 10, 2014 6:51pm
waikatogirl

Criko,
I suspect you are correct.
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Apart from female circumcision…

Any religion that not only condones but encourages honour killings, and family who can perform an honour killing and then are happy with the result, well it’s unbelievable.
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December 10, 2014 7:00pm
Jack5

Cricko posted at 6.48:

muslims will never integrate into any western society including ours, EVER.

They cannot. They would cease to be muslims if they ever did.

If you are saying that people born Muslims cannot renounce this religion (which can be highly dangerous to them) I disagree.

A local case: the two Saudi Arabian men who converted into Christianity in Christchurch and this year have apparently been abducted to Saudi Arabia (though the Saudi diplomats say they returned voluntarily – who would return voluntarily to potential death or medieval prison).

Some Christian sources say millions of Muslims have converted to Christianity in the last few decades.

The Economist last year calculated a little over 5000 people a year convert to Islam in Britain.

http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/christian-trends/millions-of-muslims-converting-to-christ.html

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/09/economist-explains-1
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December 10, 2014 7:15pm
OneTrack

Manolo – “Why the feminists and the liberals and academics are not fighting this obsolete thinking? Fear. The the fear of offending vile Islam.”

No, although that may be a factor. The real fear they have of confronting the issue is that they run the risk of someone calling them racist. Race trumps everything in progressive land.
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December 10, 2014 7:27pm
cricko

Dear Jack5

You re posted two lines from my effort above and then ask, “are you saying…?”

I despair mate.

What part of those two lines can you not understand ?

If you disagree with either line, try and spell out why you disagree.

Please do not post a bunch of puke posing as a specious argument.

(Ps waikatogirl…. sorry I got a bit stroppy on Sunday night.
No hard feelings.)
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December 10, 2014 7:31pm
nasska

….” The real fear they have of confronting the issue is that they run the risk of someone calling them racist”….

Not sure that’s enough to explain it One Track. As a male I’m fairly sure that if some group of Godwhacks decided that little boys should have their cocks pruned to keep them in line I be totally pissed about the tradition & probably have a fair bit to say about it regardless.

Yet when Muslim kiddies get mutilated you can’t get a peep out of the normally fearless, rabid feminists.
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December 10, 2014 7:39pm
Rachael Membery

waikatogirl (815 comments) says:

December 10th, 2014 at 6:43 pm

To me, referring to female genital mutilation as circumcision hugely understates the case, and is possibly why it is ‘minimised. Some of those girls have everything incised away and are then basically sewn up.

Male circumcision is not analogous at all in my opinion.
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December 10, 2014 7:42pm
Reid

Q: Is it possible due to the propaganda effects discussed in my 6.51 Western people have been schooled to conflate cultural attributes with religious attributes?

A: No, of course not. Westerners are the bwainiest people in the whole wide world and we know everything, all the time. And on the rare occasions we’re wrong, it’s cos someone shifted the goal posts, pwobably cos they hate our fweedom and wanted to make us look like gweat big spaz’s.

Q: Are some Muslims insane?

A: Yes of course. Why on Earth would anyone do what a tiny handful of them do?

Q: Are those who do those things then “real” Muslims?

A: No of course not. If they were, then Islam would have had an entirely different history to what has, in fact, happened. Anyone who can think knows that. It’s obvious. What a stupid question.

Q: Why is the global (a.k.a. Western) media pwetending that all Muslims are like that then? Don’t they always tell the twuth, cos we’re fwee?

A: …
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December 10, 2014 7:48pm
Jack5

Cricko posted at 7.31:

Please do not post a bunch of puke posing as a specious argument.

It’s a waste of time having a discussion with you Cricko.

Obviously if someone converts from Islam to another religion they are not still a Muslim.

The fact that some Muslims convert to another religion that is the dominant religion of their host country establishes that they can integrate.

You wouldn’t get an E in logic 101, Cricko.
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December 10, 2014 7:58pm
cricko

This has been posted before, maybe by johnboy or naaska however.

Abdul visits his iman.
Father, yesterday as I returned home past the railway line i found an infidel woman lying
there and I took her home.
I must confess father that when we got home we had sex.
It was wonderfull to have sex with an infidel.
We did it every which way, me on top, her on top, standing up, bending over, we were at it for hours.
It was the bset sex I have ever had.
Was that wrong father ?

No. Of course not my son, but tell me, by the beard of the prophet, was she as beautifull as a desert
flower my son ?

I don’t know father, I didn’t find her head.

Thing is… there is no such thing as a muslim sense of humour.
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December 10, 2014 8:05pm
Jack5

Cricko, you’ve got to be Padriv Ustoev posting under another pseudonym.

A gotcha to your gotcha!
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December 10, 2014 8:10pm
Jack5

An Israeli story:

A Palestinian was taking a walk on the West Bank when he was brutally beaten by a gang of young Israeli thugs. To take matters into his own hands, he bought a German Shepherd trained to attack on command and went out to seek revenge.

It didn’t take him long to see the perfect victim: a little old Jewish man walking a little dog that resembled a dachshund.

The Palestinian released his ferocious dog, but to his astonishment he saw the little dog pin his dog down to the ground and swallow it full, all in thirty seconds.

“What kind of dog is that?” asked the Palestinian.

“Well, before we had his nose fixed he used to be an alligator!” said the old Israeli.
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December 10, 2014 8:17pm
cricko

Jack5 @ 7.58

Now you have confirmed that you are just a fool.
Your 2nd to last paragraph proves it.

However, good luck to you and to your family.
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December 10, 2014 8:18pm
Jack5

The nurses calling you in for the sedatives, are they cricko?

Goodnight and pleasant dreams.
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December 10, 2014 8:21pm
Shawn Herles

John Pilger. The politically correct anti Semite.

http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/john-pilger/
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December 10, 2014 8:40pm
cricko

You going to have a nervous breakdown if you cant have the last word Jack5 ?
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December 10, 2014 8:42pm
Griff

All he has do is wait for you to finish the sherry bottle cricko.

hick hick zzzzzzzzz
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December 10, 2014 8:49pm
waikatogirl

I agree Rachael, female mutilation and sewing up is all about control. Shame on those Muslim women who condone and participate in it…

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Criko, you’re forgiven 😉
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December 10, 2014 9:03pm
OneTrack

nasska – “Not sure that’s enough to explain it ..”

Well I am open for an alternative suggestion :-). Another option is that, as we are told, the lefties welcome “diversity” (unless its white of course). So maybe they see the practice as increasing the diversity, so must be good.
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December 10, 2014 9:06pm
EAD

Shawn,

What’s your beef with John Pillger? I often disagree with him but like Paul Craig Roberts, he makes you see there is more than one side to every story than the Western MSM version.

You may not like it, but America long ago, stopped being the good guy in every conflict.
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December 10, 2014 9:09pm
Shawn Herles

What’s your beef with John Pillger?

He is a Jew hater, a nasty, lying bigot.

like Paul Craig Roberts, he makes you see there is more than one side to every story than the Western MSM version.

My God you’re an idiot. You are so blinded by stupid conspiracy theories that you promote a white supremacist like PCR and a Jew hater like Pilger, neither of whom would be out of place at a neo-Nazi revival meeting.

The MSM is not the bad guy you fool. It may be slightly biased towards a more or less liberal pov, but it is vastly more reliable than the crap you read and actually take seriously.

Nobody who thinks a mentally insane nutjob like Henry Makow is reliable is capable of discerning any truth whatsoever. Makow believes feminism is a conspiracy to depopulate the world in preparation for an alien invasion, and you approve of him!

You may not like it, but America long ago, stopped being the good guy in every conflict.

By comparison to the vile and evil filth you support, racists, Jew haters, Putin and whoever else who’s lies you swallow, The US is most certainly the good guy.
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December 10, 2014 9:37pm
EAD

Rather than listen to Shawn Herles, I have much more respect for Nelson Mandela and his views on the USA

“If you look at those matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace.”

“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings,”

You biggest problem Shawn is you see the world in black and white terms with a set of “goodies” and a set of “baddies”. The only baddies in my book are those who want and seek power over others. Whatever label you put on it “dictatorship”, “democracy”, “rule by a banking elite”, they all represent the same thing.

If your country went back to the principles on which it was founded (the Constitution and Declaration of Independence), the world would be a much happier place. I include in the “original principles” as using only gold and silver as money.
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December 10, 2014 10:22pm
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Ethiopia is 63% Christian and 34% Muslim yet 74% of women have been subjected to FGM.
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December 10, 2014 10:51pm
freemark

“using only gold & silver as money”. So in your utopian world EAD those that could be bothered digging for the gold & silver would have to give a large share of it to those who couldn’t. Or would we allow the elite bankers to be part of that equation? Or maybe dilute it via a few civil servants..or redistribunist Socialists?
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December 11, 2014 12:07am
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Does this mean that Muslims are 3 times as likely to mutilate girls & women than Christians? Or 1000 times?
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