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Kimbo

@ Nookin

I do however disagree with you about Rattue. He has no real appeal to me – much as Mark Reason lacks objectivity.

Not saying I always agree with Rattue, but his sheer contrarinous in a sea of sycophants is often a breathe of fresh air.

Mark Reason I can’t really comment on. Even though he was hated all over the world, his dad John Reason was a must-read IMHO. The blimp-like English rugby administrators of the time didn’t call him John Treason for nothing!
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November 8, 2014 1:18pm
mandk

Sorry, Kea, I take back what I said.

You’re not Jew hater.

You’re a dissembling Jew hater.
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November 8, 2014 1:25pm
Kimbo

@ MH

yes, the stupid rucking over of JPR IMO the greatest fullback in the game I have seen was one of the most disgraceful episodes in NZRFU history,closely followed by the upending of O’Driscoll.

Almost the entire 1971 Lions vs Canterbury game (other than the brilliant bits by which the Lions won easily, 14-3) was the worst. However, to give credit where it is due, both Canterbury and New Zealand rugby gradually began to clean up their act in regards to foul play from that moment on.

There was a reason that New Zealand was so far behind Britain/Ireland, France and Australia in televising rugby live (The first live test match in NZ wasn’t until 1972 – South Africa didn’t have TV in their country until 1976). Our rugby was often really dirty and live unedited TV coverage would have been a bad advertisement for the game!
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November 8, 2014 1:26pm
Nookin

Kimbo

And your thoughts on the intemperate modulations of a Danny Morrison cricket commentary?
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November 8, 2014 1:32pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIIpNJDC0nw
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November 8, 2014 1:34pm
wikiriwhis business

‘wiki – “That’s why they National Socialist criminals.”

Those damn socialists.”

Absolutely. I ticked you up for that comment too.
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November 8, 2014 1:36pm
Harriet

“….And your thoughts[kimbo] on the intemperate modulations of a Danny Morrison cricket commentary?…’

The whole kaboosh nookin.

If you want an educated edge with regards to sports betting – Kimbo’s the man!
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November 8, 2014 1:37pm
wikiriwhis business

Bolivia has proved that socialism doesn’t damage economies.

Bolivia has reduced poverty and inequality more than any country in the Western Hemisphere over the last ten years by increasing the minimum wage 87%, doubling investment in schools and healthcare, and lowering the pension retirement age from 65 to 60. The government paid for these programs by increasing taxes on oil profits from 18% to 82%, which also allowed the country to eliminate its debt and amass the world’s largest surplus. Bolivia is now estimated to have the region’s fastest growing economy this year and next, according to the IMF.

Read Full article :

http://nontelevisedtruth.com/?p=715
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November 8, 2014 1:40pm
Rowan

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9rH5QxQgKtc

A good piece debunking the atheists idiotic arguments!
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November 8, 2014 1:42pm
Kimbo

@ Nookin

And your thoughts on the intemperate modulations of a Danny Morrison cricket commentary?

I must confess that other than Richie Beanud, Ian Chappell, Glenn Turner, and Geoffrey Boycott (all of whom set out to inform viewers of technical aspects that would otherwise remain hidden) I don’t spend much time thinking about what other commentators have to say.

Life is too short to dwell too long on the negatives, especially if it is an enjoyable pastime such as sport, and doubly especially when it has nothing to do with the final score 🙂

If not, I suspect one ends up dis-satisfied with life like Big Bruv seems to be…
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November 8, 2014 1:43pm
Johnboy

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/radio-times-series-one-episode-two-1980?video_ref=5350
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November 8, 2014 1:43pm
RF

The shameful O’Driscoll incident involving Umanga and Mealamu should have had consequences for the offenders… But sadly the RFU look after their own.

I remember the time TV3 were filming in Cashel Mall in Christchurch one evening when Umanga was spotted walking down the mall in a very unsteady manner. This made the news and Umanga reacted by boycotting TV3 for quite some time. A precious individual.
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November 8, 2014 1:44pm
Kimbo

@ Harriet/Field Marshal

If you want an educated edge with regards to sports betting – Kimbo’s the man!

How do you know if there is an Australian at a cock fight? He enters a duck.

How do you know if there is a Kiwi at a cock fight? He bets on the duck.

How do you know if there is an Indian bookmaker at a cock fight? The duck wins.
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November 8, 2014 1:46pm
Rowan

Atheism Debunked With Science and Logic
http://atheismandevolutiondisproven.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/atheists-are-mentally-ill.html?m=1

Atheists are mentally ill
This has been surfing around on the internet lately:

“Atheists are mentally ill.

All research and evidence leads to the conclusion of these facts:

Atheists are deeply depressed.
Atheists have the higher suicide rate out of any belief system.
Atheists suffer from social anxiety and negative perception (confidence issues).
Atheists have an irrational hatred and obsession with religion leading to more social problems.
There are no mental health benefits of atheism. It is devoid of rational thinking and mental protection

As if evidence was needed. The delusional traits of persecution that the atheist exhibits combined with their irrational hatred of religion and religious people is more than enough evidence revealing that the atheist is mentally ill and incapable of thinking logically.

The atheist’s championing of the evolution theory is especially more evidence of their mental instability. They don’t even understand it. Evolution doesn’t debunk God or even The Bible for that matter. In fact all three are fully compatible although there are some serious flaws in evolution and its current model which means that doubts are not “irrational” as the mentally ill atheist would proclaim.
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November 8, 2014 1:47pm
Kea

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/WehrmachtChaplainWithCatholicCross.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words.
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November 8, 2014 1:48pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQi9znLNCEM
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November 8, 2014 1:55pm
dime

lol a new game. who said this:

“It is Bigot Blouse who would use lame tactics such as posting here under multiple identities”

A) Rowan
B) D4J
C) They arethe same person and the only one who calls bruv by that name.
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November 8, 2014 1:56pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa-wcPCGPw4
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November 8, 2014 1:58pm
Kea

The first time I heard Big Blouse used was by Red. It was a change from chanting – troll/coward etc – when called out on his bullshit.
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November 8, 2014 1:58pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Fair enough, Kea.

In the interests of gaining balancing and ensuring you’ve canvassed all the relevant data to reach sound and reasonable conclusions, where would any photos of Dietrich Bonhoeffer hanging from a gallows (as Hitler was wont to salivate over when any ‘traitors’ were executed in the last year of his regime) fit in your schema?
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November 8, 2014 1:58pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcRu_hdhwPM
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November 8, 2014 2:00pm
Longknives

Wiki- Would that be the same Russell Brand who left the ‘Anti Capitalism’ protest the other night in his chauffeur driven Mercedes to head to the theatre with Graham Norton??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2823470/Russell-Brand-hobnobs-celebrities-freebie-theatre-joining-protestors.html

The guy is an absolute plonker- I honestly don’t know why you lefties hero worship him so much…
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November 8, 2014 2:02pm
Johnboy

Afternoon Kea.

Back pecking at the fabric of KB I see!

Full power to your beak! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:03pm
Kea

Myth 1: Hitler was not a Christian

The entire section on Hitler’s Christianity provides ample evidence for his brand of Christianity. The evidence itself destroys any opinions or beliefs about Hitler’s alleged apostasy.

The evidence shows that:

Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism

His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.

His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.

He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.

His Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution) included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.

He confessed his Christianity.

He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.

Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but not Christian churches.

He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.

He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.

His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.

The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.

To ignore the evidence of Hitler’s Christianity demonstrates how power of belief can obscure the facts.
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November 8, 2014 2:03pm
kowtow

Extremists, terrorists, funding, hypocrisy………

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/adams-rounds-on-critics-at-500-a-head-ny-fundraiser-1.1992058
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November 8, 2014 2:05pm
dad4justice

To dime, bigot blouse, Nutkin etc.. I am not a multiple poster David Farrar can verify that. Are you dudes that bored with life you got to invent stories?
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November 8, 2014 2:05pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness Lucia was far too young to be born when Hitler was a Catholic Kea! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:06pm
Johnboy

Anyone who can fly with Richie cannot possibly be a loser dad. I believe you! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:08pm
Rowan

Kea
Hitler may have been raised a christian, that’s not the issue here, having a religious background is just that, it doesn’t therefore mean that he was religious and that exterminating the Jews was because of religion.
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November 8, 2014 2:09pm
Kea

Kimbo, can you spot the NAZI in these photos ?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/NaziPriestsSaluteHitler.jpg

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/priests-salute.jpg

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/FriedrichCoch.jpg

Or how about this ?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DeutschenChristen2.jpg

If this was admitted and condemned, I would have no where to go and it would be the end of it. But instead I read nothing but lies and denials. This against a background of the exact same things happening – right now – against another target. Jews (well the surviving ones did) realised the dangerous nature of the church long ago. They do not spit on Muslim clergy in Israel, like they do Christian.
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November 8, 2014 2:11pm
kowtow

johnboy ,I’m not sure if you got this a wee while ago.The Sheep Shaggers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSMv59cksl4
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November 8, 2014 2:11pm
Johnboy

Quite so Rowan. Henry the Eighth was born a Catholic and look what he did to the Monasteries? 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:12pm
Kimbo

@ RF

This made the news and Umanga reacted by boycotting TV3 for quite some time. A precious individual.

I think the media coverage over the O’Driscoll injury had a fair bit with Umaga deciding to retire at the end of 2005, rather than continuing on to the 2007 World Cup. Richie McCaw has become a great captain in the last few seasons, in large part due to the lessons he learned from that loss in Cardiff in 2007, but Umaga’s greater experience may have got us over the line on that occasion. Then again, maybe not…

And as I posted earlier, to be fair to both Umaga and Mealamu, I believe them when they say there was no intent. Nevertheless it was still very danngerous and deserved to be punished as such. But he didn’t like his integrity being questioned and attacked, which is fair enough. We are all keyboard warriors and likely have little experience of what it is like to live in the public eye. Umaga had been, in the main an exemplary player (I seem to recall one sending off on a marginal ref’s call for the Hurricanes about 2000, but that was about it for Tana’s disciplinary record. There was also the well-publicised incident where he stopped playing to ensure Welshman Scott Charvis had not swallowed his tongue).

Also, the guys who should have fronted over the incident IMHO were Henry, Smith and Hansen. If they had gone on the tele on the Sunday or Monday after they had ascertained what had happened, and admitted the injury to O’Driscoll was a result of the poor technique they had been coaching it would have

1. Taken the pressure off the players
2. Highlighted the point that no rugby player in any grade should ever be coached or encouraged to use the technique they were using
3. Gained them immense credibility and respect as honest men genuinely concerned for the welfare of all players everywhere and as custodians of the game.

Instead they went on the defensive and tried to blame the supposedly shit-stirring Pommie media.
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November 8, 2014 2:12pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

Kimbo, can you…?

Er, Kea, as the Scripture rightly and wisely counsels “Do all things decenmtly and in order” I’ll wait for you to first directly and fully answer my question at November 8th, 2014 at 1:58 pm before engaging with your tar-baby of a distraction.

Care to have a go?
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November 8, 2014 2:16pm
Johnboy

Jolly good song kowtow. Them damned “Red Hand of Ulster” chaps have a lot to be sorry/happy for I say! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:17pm
Kea

I agree with your statement Rowan. (It is the same one advanced by Muslims, but you reject it from them.

He was Christian by his actions, not his claims. Just as he was a Socialist in more than name. I am not sitting here making this up mate, the evidence is overwhelming. What else could a reasonable person conclude ?

Myth 2: Hitler pretended his Christianity only for political purposes

This one represents one of the most persistent constructions about Hitler’s Christianity. Revealingly, proponents of this myth never provide evidence for this hypothesis. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then were does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where?

Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of “positive Christianity” as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil.

I suspect that those who propagate this myth rely on mainly one source: the dubious reliability of Hitler’s table talk (a second-hand source that allegedly records the words of Hitler). The table-talk got edited by the anti-Catholic Martin Bormann (Hitler’s secretary) and describes political views against the hierarchy of orthodox Christianity (just as Bormann would have liked) but even here, Hitler never speaks against Jesus Christ, but rather in favor of him. (See Hitler’s table talk and other extraneous sources).

What obliterates this theory comes from the fact that Hitler continued to express his “positive” Christian views, well after his rise to power. If, indeed, he needed Christianity only for political purposes, then why-oh-why does he continue with the charade after he has established himself as absolute dictator?

But just for the sake of argument, lets pretend that Hitler really did pretend his Christianity; that his sole aim went to politically winning over German Christians so that he could gain their confidence. How in the world does that improve your argument in protecting Christianity from Hitler? If that proved the case, then who should get the blame, Hitler or the gullible Christian German citizens who believed him? And what does that say for the integrity of Christianity if the most Christianized country in the world could not distinguish a member of their own belief system? Think about it. If the most pious Christians and clergymen could not tell if Hitler practiced false or “real” Christianity, then how in the world could anyone tell?I submit that the only way to tell comes from the very words from those who make the claim. Indeed, this constitutes the very flaw of any religion because there never has existed a testable way to determine the truthfulness of a belief in the supernatural. And if you cannot tell by the words of your fellow Christians, then anyone with minimal acting talent can deceive anyone, including monks, bishops, or popes. In fact, monks, bishops and popes themselves, could fall prey to falsehood. I submit to you that a false Christian and a real Christian makes absolutely no difference. Why? Because if I have it right (and I think I do) then Christianity never represented reality, thus an honest believing Christian and a dishonest believing Christian fall on equal turf: they both have it wrong, and they both practice falsehoods!

The only evidence we have, or could ever have, about people who call themselves Christian comes from the very confession of those making the claim. And since Hitler makes his claim to Christianity abundantly and clearly, we can only rely on his claim, regardless of whether he actually believed in Christ or not. False Christianity has as just much validity as any claim to Christianity, even if you could prove dishonesty.

But regardless of how you view a person’s claim to their religion, to say Hitler used Christianity only for political forces has absolutely no historical basis to back it up. To simply rely on belief or opinion says absolutely nothing about historical fact.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler-myths.htm
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November 8, 2014 2:17pm
Johnboy

Your comments are almost getting as long as Pennys Kea! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:20pm
stephieboy

Yoza,

Yes we can go back as far as we like including the fact hardly any nations are umblemished including the Untied States. Arab complicity in the slave trade and Spain in the New World come to mind . Imperial Russia and its treatment of Jews and other national minorities etc another.

The fire bombing of Tokyo and Nagasaki and Hirsohima are not valid comparisons and certainly were not opposed by allies like the Soviet Union . They are reasonably can be seen as acts of war viewed in the context of the atrocities committed by the Japanese during their conquest of the China , SE Asia and Indonesia , the Pacific etc.
This you conveniently ignore.

The bombing of Cambodia did not cause the Khmer Rouge to decide to massacre its own citizens. No more than the bombing of Germany caused them to murder the Jews. The Cambodians became the victims of a mad and perverse Marxist -Leninist ideology hatched and nutured by Pol Pot at the Sobornne

Supplying ordinances to Israel etc is also highly debatable and there is no evidence that the Israelis have set about wilfully and intentionally massacring Palestinians and other Arab civilians like Pol Pot did do his own .
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November 8, 2014 2:22pm
chiz

Rowan:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9rH5QxQgKtc

A good piece debunking the atheists idiotic arguments!

It doesn’t debunk a thing. The only thing that the video reveals is that its maker is arrogant and poorly-educated.
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November 8, 2014 2:22pm
big bruv

“I am not a multiple poster David Farrar can verify that”

Be careful about what you say D4J. It can come back to bite you on the arse.
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November 8, 2014 2:23pm
Kea

Johnboy, yes I am aware of that. To tell the truth, I would prefer no cut n’ pastes. I am happy to hear people express views in their own words. However, the god squad then demand sources or simply claim it is all lies.

Anyway, you get a break from me while I go have a wine with a friend 😉
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November 8, 2014 2:25pm
Johnboy

Quite so bb. Trapdoor will already be working on it I suspect! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:26pm
Johnboy

No worries Kea. I luv your stuff. Have one for me! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:27pm
Johnboy

You have a friend? 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:28pm
stephieboy

kea,

The following quotes were taken from “Hitler Speaks: A Series of Political Conversations With Adolf Hitler on His Real Aims” By Hermann Rauschning, 1st edition, 1939

“Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it’s the Old Testament or the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, it’s all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German church, a German Christianity is a distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both.”
“Hitler made it clear that he was not interested in an “Aryanized Christianity” or the “Aryan Jesus” myth promoted by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Von Liebenfels, and certain party members. “You cannot make an Aryan out of Jesus, that’s nonsense. What needs to be done you say? I will tell you: we must prevent the churches from doing anything but, what they are doing now, that is, losing ground day by day. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves.” he stated.”

“Bolshevism, the illegitimate child of Christianity.”

“Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries.”
“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”

“Science cannot lie, for it’s always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.”

“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges : the pox and Christianity.”

etc, etc ,etc

http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Hitler_Quotes_Against_Christianity.htm
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November 8, 2014 2:29pm
dad4justice

bigot blouse email David Farrar and he will tell you the truth. You spend your whole life spurting malicious lies. Please get some professional help for your unhealthy obsession with me. Sadly it has meandered on for over a decade now. I find it rather childish.
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November 8, 2014 2:30pm
Kimbo

Fair enough, Kea.

Being a good Protestant I’m inclined at first glance to view your posts as good ammo to fire at Lucia Maria next time she goes riding forth on behalf of the Papacy (especially the dubious administration of Pius XII), but I’m well aware that the majority of Lutheran and Reformed Christians (the “Confessing Church” aside) went happily goose-stepping down the KaiserWilhelmStrasse at the time. Also, there was more than anough anti-Semitic material in Martin Luther’s table talk for Hitler to call upon/justify his views and actions (and I think he did).

However, what do you make of Hitler’s obvious paganism?

Does it not suggest he was more likely an eclectic opportunist that most critics have suggested, grabbing at anything and everything (including the anti-Semitism that was both latent and at times clearly manifest in historic Catholicism and Protestantism), rather than primarily motivated by the Catholicism of his nominal faith as you seem to be suggesting?
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November 8, 2014 2:31pm
Shawn Herles

So, basically an entire thread jacked by kea’s trolling drivel.

Does KB actually have any moderaters at all at this point? Because DPF’s new rules seems to be dead, and whoever is running things seems to be asleep at the wheel.
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November 8, 2014 2:34pm
Rowan

“It doesn’t debunk a thing. The only thing that the video reveals is that its maker is arrogant and poorly-educated.”

Chiz
The only thing your statement reveals is that you (and the atheist) are arrogant and poorly educated!
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November 8, 2014 2:34pm
Johnboy

I’ve always been prepared to overlook Lucias antisemitism because she has told me the length of her thighs.

I’m a sucker for long-legged girls! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:35pm
Fletch

The Catholic Church exposes a dodgy vaccination programme by UNICEF and WHO. The vaccinations are supposed to be for tetanus, but are also laced with Beta- HCG hormone which causes infertility and multiple miscarriages in women. The vaccinations are really a population control programme.

Yesterday, the Bishops of Kenya issued what appeared to be a courageous statement exposing a clandestine population control program disguised as a tetanus vaccine program.

From their findings –

2. The Tetanus Vaccine

Dear Kenyans, due to the direction the debate on the ongoing Tetanus Vaccine campaign in Kenya is taking, We, the Catholic Bishops, in fulfilling our prophetic role, wish to restate our position as follows:

The Catholic Church is NOT opposed to regular vaccines administered in Kenya, both in our own Church health facilities and in public health institutions.

However, during the second phase of the Tetanus vaccination campaign in March 2014, that is sponsored by WHO/UNICEF, the Catholic Church questioned the secrecy of the exercise. We raised questions on whether the tetanus vaccine was linked to a population control program that has been reported in some countries, where a similar vaccine was laced with Beta- HCG hormone which causes infertility and multiple miscarriages in women.

On March 26, 2014 and October 13, 2014, we met the Cabinet Secretary in-charge of health and the Director of Medical Services among others and rasied our concerns about the Vaccine and agreed to jointly test the vaccine. However the ministry did not cooperate and the joint tests were not done

The Catholic Church struggled and acquired several vials of the vaccine, which we sent to Four unrelated Government and private laboratories in Kenya and abroad.

We want to announce here, that all the tests showed that the vaccine used in Kenya in March and October 2014 was indeed laced with the Beta- HCG hormone.

On 13th of October 2014, the Catholic Church gave copies of the results to the cabinet secretary and the Director of Medical Services. The same was emailed to the Director of Medical Services on October 17, 2014.

Based on the above grounds, We, the Catholic Bishops in Kenya, wish to State the following:

That we are shocked at the level of dishonesty and casual manner in which such a serious issue is being handled by the Government.

That a report presented to the Parliamentary Committee on Health November 4, 2014 by the Ministry of Health, claiming that the Government had tested the Vaccine and found it clean of Beta- HCG hormone, is false and a deliberate attempt to distort the truth and mislead 42 million Kenyans.

That we are dismayed by attempts to intimidate and blackmail medical professionals who have corroborated information about the vaccine, with threats of disciplinary action. We commend and support all professionals who have stood by the truth.

That we shall not waver in calling upon all Kenyans to avoid the tetanus vaccination campaign laced with Beta-HCG, because we are convinced that it is indeed a disguised population control programme.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/piadesolenni/did-the-kenyan-bishops-just-expose-who-unicef/

It looks like the WHO programmes to distribute condoms and other contraceptives weren’t working as well as they’d hoped, so they are attacking for fertility of women clandestinely.
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November 8, 2014 2:39pm
Nookin

Kea, I seem to recall the Mr Baiter has indeed used the term “bigot blouse”. I am not sure if he ws the first, though. Regardless, its use does seem confined to a small circles of like-minded individuals which does brIng me to another theory. Is Mr Baiter the real dad and are his insulting acolytes rowan and d4j the squabbling twin progeny? Such an explanation solves so many similarities in style, terminlogy, mental health meme and world view.

I wonder how many variations of “Nookin” will emerge before Dad deems it to be the nastiet, most insulting and excruciatingly clever distortion. Sort of reminds me of the clip of pete and dud discussing “bastard” – the worst word in the world.
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November 8, 2014 2:40pm
Rowan

Kea
Reality check, look at places like North Korea and corrupt leaders like Stalin and Mao and see what atheism actually does in the world.
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November 8, 2014 2:40pm
Yoza

stephieboy (3,233 comments) says:
November 8th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

The bombing of Cambodia did not cause the Khmer Rouge to decide to massacre its own citizens.

Utter bollocks:

2,756,941 tons’ worth, dropped in 230,516 sorties on 113,716 sites.
Just over 10 percent of this bombing was indiscriminate, with 3,580 of the sites listed as having “unknown” targets and another 8,238 sites having no target listed at all.

The ordinary people sometimes literally shit in their pants when the big bombs and shells came. Their minds just froze up and they would wander around mute for three or four days. Terrified and half crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told. It was because of their dissatisfaction with the bombing that they kept on co-operating with the Khmer Rouge, joining up with the Khmer Rouge, sending their children off to go with them . . . .
Sometimes the bombs fell and hit little children, and their fathers would be all for the Khmer Rouge.

… First, the bombing forced the Vietnamese Communists deeper and deeper into Cambodia, bringing them into greater contact with Khmer Rouge insurgents. Second, the bombs drove ordinary Cambodians into the arms of the Khmer Rouge, a group that seemed initially to have slim prospects of revolutionary success. Pol Pot himself described the Khmer Rouge during that period as “fewer than five thousand poorly armed guerrillas . . . scattered across the Cambodian landscape, uncertain about their strategy, tactics, loyalty, and leaders.”

It wasn’t until 1973 that Congress, angered by the destruction the campaign had caused and the systematic deception that had masked it, legislated a halt to the bombing of Cambodia. By then, the damage was already done. Having grown to more than two hundred thousand troops and militia forces by 1973, the Khmer Rouge captured Phnom Penh two years later. They went on to subject Cambodia to a Maoist agrarian revolution and a genocide in which 1.7 million people perished.
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November 8, 2014 2:40pm
Johnboy

Come now Shawn. A civilisations advancement is determined by the tolerance it shows to alternative viewpoints surely?? 🙂
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November 8, 2014 2:41pm
chiz

Rowan:

Chiz
The only thing your statement reveals is that you (and the atheist) are arrogant and poorly educated!

In what manner? The video maker claimed that because religious believers have an ultimate authority in the form of their scriptures they can use this to resolve debates. This is historically naive. If it was that simple then why did christian debates over usury or slavery drag on for so long? Why do muslims keep having debates over the role of women, or beheading people if all they have to do is consult to their scriptures to resolve them? And the notion that God explains morality was debunked by Plato – theologians still can’t explain how morality derives from God despite what that video maker claims. So, explain to me in what manner you think I’m arrogant and poorly educated.
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November 8, 2014 2:53pm
Longknives

Kea’s mates are at it again…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/63032523/queen-elizabeth-murder-plot-foiled.html

Somewhere up there Enoch Powell is saying “I told You So!!”…
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November 8, 2014 2:55pm
RichardX

Rowan (2,455 comments) says:
November 8th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
“It doesn’t debunk a thing. The only thing that the video reveals is that its maker is arrogant and poorly-educated.”
Chiz
The only thing your statement reveals is that you (and the atheist) are arrogant and poorly educated!

Remember Rowan does not accept evolution and uses the argument that evolution does not state how the universe was created as part of his belief system
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLK9NSUX_fs&w=560&h=315%5D
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November 8, 2014 2:56pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gkBr-qvo-4
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November 8, 2014 2:57pm
cha

The Catholic Church exposes a dodgy vaccination programme by UNICEF and WHO.

Go on, say it Fletch…Agenda…
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November 8, 2014 3:02pm
Kimbo

@ RichardX

Remember Rowan does not accept evolution and uses the argument that evolution does not state how the universe was created as part of his belief system

In other words a re-jigging of the 2nd of Aquinas’ 5 “proofs” for the existence of God, the argument from Efficient Causes?

Which was a mode of Medieval Scholastic reasoning that the Reformers, in the main, formally rejected. Which means that Rowan is not in line with Orthodox Protestant thought…which makes him a Roman Catholic? No, that doesn’t fit because the Pope has (rightly IMHO) pronounced that there is no conflict between Evolution and the Biblical account of Creation.

Hmm. The answer must be I am, “arrogant and poorly-educated.”
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November 8, 2014 3:04pm
Shawn Herles

“A civilisations advancement is determined by the tolerance it shows to alternative viewpoints surely?? ”

Not necessarily. It depends on the view. But it’s not alternative points of view that I care about, but trolling and cynically trying to start religious flame wars.

Boring.
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November 8, 2014 3:05pm
stephieboy

yoza,

Now explain the exact causal connection between the bombing and Pol Pot’s decsion to murder his a million plus of of his own citizens.

Do you seriously blame Hitler’s murder of the jews on the Allied bombing of his own cities and civilians or was it the result of a perverse racial ideology re Pol Pot’s perverse radical agrarian Marist – Leninist ideology .

Now did the Vietcong or Pathet Lao follow in Pol Pots foot steps .?

Using Chomsky and your reasoning process they surely must of.

An obvious and fair analogy.!
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November 8, 2014 3:08pm
Johnboy

You seem to me to be a very intolerant man Shawn.

What you term “trolling” may well be someone else’s point of view.

Boring to you may be hugely exciting to someone else.

We are all different. That’s why we all come here to chat.

Loosen up old chap! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 3:12pm
Shawn Herles

Apart from that, I have long since come to the conclusion that arguing about evolution and the existence or non existence of God is a futile exercise in missing the point.
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November 8, 2014 3:14pm
Tauhei Notts

I have been giving the haka some thought.
I have come up with a way for England to win this evening.
When the All Blacks are performing the haka, the English team are to go up within three metres of them and simulate a masturbatory action. The inference being that the All Blacks are pagan wankers.
This will so infuriate the predominantly macho Polynesian All Black team that it will put them off their game, and get the All Blacks penalised out of contention. At that level the difference between a great pass and an average one is two tenths of a second. Infuriated players will not have that split second brilliance. They will be too angry.
Professional rugby union is so close these days, that all it needs is something different and innovative to tip the scales. And, boy oh boy, is that different and innovative!
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November 8, 2014 3:14pm
Shawn Herles

“You seem to me to be a very intolerant man Shawn.”

Sometimes. I don’t see tolerance as an absolute virtue. It’s a good virtue, but in excess it can be a vice.

“What you term “trolling” may well be someone else’s point of view.”

Na, I think I have the parrot and it’s intentions pretty much nailed.
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November 8, 2014 3:16pm
Johnboy

Arrogance is definitely not a virtue Shawn! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 3:18pm
Shawn Herles

Neither is being naive! 🙂

It’s important in life to be able to spot a snake in the grass, or a dodgy used car salesman, or trolls. 😉
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November 8, 2014 3:21pm
big bruv

“Kea’s mates are at it again…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/63032523/queen-elizabeth-murder-plot-foiled.html

Somewhere up there Enoch Powell is saying “I told You So!!”…”

I shudder to think of the consequences for Muslims in the UK had the Queen been assassinated. Large area’s of England would have become battlegrounds, the streets would indeed have been running with blood.

However, this could still kick off big time. The English are an aggressive race of people at the best of times, and, most still hold the Queen in very high regard. The average working class man in England is not going to take nicely to this. It might just be the spark that is needed for English folk to fight back against the tide of Islam that is sweeping across the UK. Whatever does happen there is a better than even chance it will become violent, certainly toward the Islamist extremists.
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November 8, 2014 3:23pm
Nookin

Except, though, Tauhei, given that most of the english team are ye olde nob class boarding school ra-ra boys, they will get carried away with their masturbatory tactic, and see it thru to the explosive finale following which, and at varying intervals they all do a lap of honour in celebration of the ginger stroke during which time the orblax will score sufficient to put the game beyond doubt. Good try tho.
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November 8, 2014 3:23pm
Johnboy

Well Shawn I guess you are a product of your training by mad uncle Cletus.

I’m sad about that. I’m certain there’s a much nicer Shawn lurking somewhere inside you somewhere.
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November 8, 2014 3:25pm
chiz

Fletch:

The Catholic Church exposes a dodgy vaccination programme by UNICEF and WHO. The vaccinations are supposed to be for tetanus, but are also laced with Beta- HCG hormone which causes infertility and multiple miscarriages in women. The vaccinations are really a population control programme.

Oh dear, here we go again. From 1995: Damage to immunisation programmes from misinformation on contraceptive vaccines:

Tetanus is responsible for 550,000 neonatal deaths globally each year. Tetanus toxoid vaccines are provided through the World Health Organization and the United Nations Children’s Fund for national immunisation programmes to prevent infant deaths from tetanus. The vaccines are manufactured and controlled under strict standards. Rumours have circulatedrecently in Mexico, Tanzania, Nicaragua and the Philippines that WHO and UNICEF are using women as guinea-pigs to test a contraceptive vaccine given to them under the guise of tetanus toxoid vaccine. These rumours, apparently initiated by so-called pro-life’ groups, are completely untrue. The vaccines do not contain contraceptive vaccines or any other substance which interferes with fertility or pregnancy and their labelling accurately describes their actual contents. The false claims made by these groups have had an adverse impact on immunisation programmes in all four countries.

And, from the WHO, a fact sheet.
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November 8, 2014 3:27pm
Johnboy

I’d bet on a gang of soccer hooligans agin a bunch of towel wearers any day bb! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 3:28pm
Harriet

Islam according to it’s own sources:

“….Did you know, for example that Muhammad is mentioned only four times in the Koran? On the other hand, Jesus is mentioned some 25 times.

Or consider the idea of divine love in the Koran. There are around 300 references to Allah and fear in the Koran, but only one fifth as many about love. Most of these are negative: don’t love money, other gods, etc. Many of these verses speak of how Allah does not love the kafir (unbeliever).
There is only one general verse about love: ‘Give what you love to charity’ (sura 3:92). Given that Muslim charity only goes to other Muslims, we still do not have one verse in the Koran about loving non-Muslims. Indeed, while there is not one verse about showing compassion or love to a kafir, there are around twelve verses that teach that a Muslim is not a friend of the kafir.

And while the Koran has over a hundred war verses, or passages which enjoin fighting for Allah, it is in the hadith that we learn much more about this, including the promised reward for those who die fighting for Allah: paradise with 72 or 73 houris (dark-eyed beautiful virgins). Sura 55:56, 70 has already spoken about such houris, but the hadith provide more detail, including the numbers of them.

And in Islamic legal manuals such as Reliance we learn in detail about who, where and how the zakat (an obligatory alms tax) is to be used. In my copy there are 22 pages devoted to this, including the seventh category of recipients: “those fighting for Allah”.

Information like this is vitally important, for example, since all over the Western world billions of dollars are being paid to Islamic groups for halal certification. Knowing that some of this money which we Westerners are paying can go into those “engaged in Islamic military operations” is crucial as we assess this practice.

And of course in the sira we get so much more information about the sort of person Muhammad was, the life he led, the military campaigns he was involved in, the way he treated people, and so on. Detailed accounts of his campaigns, battles and treatment of his enemies can be found there.

There were 100 military expeditions and battles ordered by Muhammad, 27 of which he personally took part in. He was certainly a man of war, and not only does the Koran make this clear, but we find countless pages devoted to these military campaigns in the sira.

One thing I did notice from the start, and which commentators never mentioned, was that, unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam has no doctrine of atonement. There is no way a sinner can be sure of getting back into God’s good books. He might hope for God’s forgiveness, but he has no guarantee. This course, creates a certain amount of distress for those who do have a guilty conscience. I note that Osama bin Laden had originally been a dissipated playboy. Quite likely he thought that the best way of evening out the sins of his youth would be to perform extra deeds of service to Allah.

Of course there is one guarantee of making it into paradise: to die while fighting the infidel in the cause of Islam. Which in part explains why there are so many eager jihadists out there happy to die for Allah….”

Usual hat tip:

http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/11/07/islam-according-to-its-own-sources/
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November 8, 2014 3:30pm
Johnboy

All us pagans already know that letting Islamics/Jews/Christians/Buddists/etc. die for their beliefs is a good idea Harriet! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 3:35pm
Kimbo

@ Tauhei Notts

When the All Blacks are performing the haka, the English team are to go up within three metres of them and simulate a masturbatory action. The inference being that the All Blacks are pagan wankers….Professional rugby union is so close these days, that all it needs is something different and innovative to tip the scales. And, boy oh boy, is that different and innovative!

Yes, I can just see it entering the annals of great rugby innovations: The 2-3-2 scrum formation, marauding loose forwards, counter-attacking from fullback…and the pre-game Onanism!
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November 8, 2014 3:37pm
Rachael Membery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/63032523/Queen-Elizabeth-murder-plot-foiled

Can leave my bloody Queen alone too!!!
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November 8, 2014 3:44pm
Michael

Rowan (2,455 comments) says:
November 8th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

Atheists are mentally ill

So Rowan is an atheist. Who would have thought? I had him down as being a godbotherer.
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November 8, 2014 3:46pm
Fletch

chiz, if you read the link, you’d see a statement from MaterCare.org that corroborates the statement of the Bishops.
For one thing, tetanus vaccinations are not given in 5 doses, months apart. One will usually suffice. For another, the vaccinations target women from the ages of 14-49 – child bearing age.

And WHO has already done this before in 1993 and 1994.

Our concern and the subject of this discussion is the WHO/UNICEF sponsored tetanus immunization campaign launched last year in October ostensibly to eradicate neonatal tetanus. It is targeted at girls and women between the ages of 14 – 49 (child bearing age) and in 60 specific districts spread all around the country. The tetanus vaccine being used in this campaign has been imported into the country specifically for this purpose and bears a different batch number from the regular TT. So far, 3 doses have been given – the first in October 2013, the second in March 2014 and the third in October 2014. It is highly possible that there are two more doses to go.

Giving five doses of tetanus vaccination every 6 months is not usual or the recommended regime for tetanus vaccination. The only time tetanus vaccine has been given in five doses is when it is used as a carrier in fertility regulating vaccines laced with the pregnancy hormone – Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) developed by WHO in 1992.

When tetanus is laced with HCG and administered in five doses every 6 months, the woman develops antibodies against both the tetanus and the HCG in 2 – 3 years after the last injection. Once a mother develops antibodies against HCG, she rejects any pregnancy as soon as it starts growing in her womb thus causing repeated abortions and subsequent sterility.

WHO conducted massive vaccinations campaigns using the tetanus vaccine laced with HCG in Mexico in 1993 and Nicaragua and Philippines in 1994 ostensibly to eradicate neonatal tetanus. The campaign targeted women aged 14 – 49 years and each received a total of 5 injections.

What is downright immoral and evil is that the tetanus laced with HCG was given as a fertility regulating vaccine without disclosing its ‘contraceptive effect’ to the girls and the mothers. As far as they were concerned, they had gone for an innocent injection to prevent neonatal tetanus!

http://www.matercare.org/news-publications/latest-news/catholic-doctors-speak-tetanus-vaccination-campaign-is-all-about-population-control/

I think everyone needs to know this – especially people in African countries. They had the serum tested for crying out loud, and 4 independent labs. The Church is not opposed to regular tetanus injections. They have no reason to make this up.
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November 8, 2014 3:47pm
Shawn Herles

In defense of Anglicanism, from one of it’s most erudite exponents. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMMHUzm22oE
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November 8, 2014 4:03pm
holysheet

Tauhei notts
When the All Blacks are performing the haka, the English team are to go up within three metres of them and simulate a masturbatory action. The inference being that the All Blacks are pagan wankers.

Why not go the full hog and not simulate, but do the real thing. That would get the blood boiling of all the AB’s. The sight of those small peckers will result in a bloodbath by the AB’s and their macho-ness. Everyone knows that the bigger the body the smaller the pecker.
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November 8, 2014 4:07pm
MT_Tinman

@ Kimbo

Thinking about an incident you didn’t mention, I also think that while what Tana Umaga and Keven Mealamu did to Brian O’Driscoll in 2005 was not deliberately foul play, it was most certainly highly dangerous. It is significant that the All Blacks almost immediately stopped using that dreadful ‘lift up one leg’ technique when cleaning out at the tackle-ball. which was the cause of the incident (it was also used from time to time in a maul, which is even worse given the increased possibility of collapse). I was having to deal with it at club level, and even now I am amazed someone didn’t have their neck broken by being tipped over on their head. Useless administration, especially by the IRB for not banning it as soon as the professionals started employing it in about 2003 from memory.

I suggest you revisit your video of the incident, O’Driscoll was stuck in the back of a collapsed maul at the time he was attacked, there was no “tackle” involved.

Also, it was disgraceful in the O’Driscoll incident that the discipinary proceeding (not set by the All Blacks or NZRU btw) couldn’t use all the footage that was available. ……….. Mind you Woodward with his ridiculous army of media spin-doctors helped muddy the waters concerning the real issues involved.

There was no disciplinary proceeding. There was in fact no official complaint so the disciplinary hearing that was held (to consider the Lions’ prop’s biting charge) never heard of nor considered the gutless thug’s attack on the Irish whinger.

No TV referrals in those days, the judiciary acted on complaints only.

The Judge involved – an Ocker from memory – told me that personally when I took him away from Lancaster Park on the Sunday after the hearing.
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November 8, 2014 4:09pm
PaulP

“Thousands march…” Yeah right. Hundreds at best nationwide looking at the pics and video.

Nothing like a bit of journalistic licence.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10720880/Marches-against-TPPA-trade-deal
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November 8, 2014 4:17pm
Rowan

Micheal
Where did I make that claim?
You are the brainless mentally ill one around here!
Enough trolling, it’s time to return to the Mason clinic for some more medication!
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November 8, 2014 4:30pm
Nostradamus

PETA criticizes ‘Eaten Alive’ TV show for animal cruelty

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Animal rights group PETA has slammed the Discovery Channel’s ‘Eaten Alive’ show, which claims it will show a man being eaten alive by an anaconda, as a publicity stunt that will torment the snake.

Trailers of the show, which will be aired on Dec. 7 on the cable network, show naturalist and wildlife filmmaker and author Paul Rosolie donning a custom-built snake-proof outfit.
…
“Anacondas go days without eating and expend the energy needed to do so selectively. Making this snake use up energy by swallowing this fool and then possibly regurgitating him would have left the poor animal exhausted and deprived of the energy that he or she needs,” PETA said in a statement.

The article goes on to quote a Discovery Channel spokesman as saying the snake is alive and healthy.

I wonder, though, what PETA would say about the poor animals that the anaconda ate when it wasn’t exhausted and deprived of the energy that it needed to eat them.
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November 8, 2014 4:40pm
Rowan

Kimbo
Having introduced logical reasoning to your argument it is now well beyond Richard Xs simple mind. He is even less convincing than Mr Garrisons theory of evolution!!
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November 8, 2014 4:40pm
tom hunter

Utter bollocks:

Ah! Blog debates that never convince anybody – and never end. You can read Yoza and myself going at it on the exact same subject two years ago in The Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum thread, from which I’ll repeat this comment:

I’m sure Yoza will continue to miss the forest for the bark his nose is pressed against, so I’ll take this opportunity to repeat to him my key point about his whole “US bombs made them do it”:

The major cities of Cambodia endured nothing comparable to the destruction of Russian, German and Japanese cities in WWII, and there are countless other historical examples where large-scale war destruction did not turn people into totalitarian, mass-murdering fanatics.

To be more explicit: it’s not the numbers or tonnages or targets of US bombing that matters but the causal argument that this is what caused the Cambodian Genocide. And that argument is nothing more than a weak assertion with no reasoning that establishes the causal link between bombing ending in 1973 and genocide running from 1975-1979 or that can establish why this particular bombing would create such a link: the strange argument that X tons of bombs creates a genocide years later.

To make another comparison: nobody argues that the Nazis committed the holocaust because Allied bombing was growing ever worse – driving them “insane”. At best US bombing can be argued as one of the factors giving rise to the Khmer Rouge, though less strong than others such as the support of other communists, especially the Vietnamese, but it in no way explains what they would go on to do once in power.

No. The clearest, strongest causal explanation in creating the genocide is the Year Zero goal of a bunch of communist murderers determined to wipe away the old Cambodian classes and society so that a new one could be created. It is that goal, that desire, and that rationale that lies at the heart of the genocide, and because that has been one of the primary goals of every communist and “peoples” revolution, it must be denied or deflected at all costs – and Yoza knows it.

Yoza the “anarchist”, making excuses for mass murdering communists since forever.
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November 8, 2014 4:42pm
Johnboy

I’d be happy to be “eaten alive” by either Yvette or Judith or Lucia or Maggy or anybody really! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 4:47pm
Johnboy

I’ll provide the snake Nostra. The above ladies can provide the lip action! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 4:56pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

I’d be happy to be “eaten alive” by either Yvette or Judith or Lucia or Maggy or anybody really!

‘Cannibal’ killer found chewing woman’s face (Warning: disturbing content)

Johnboy: I didn’t realise you had a steady supply of snakesuits?
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November 8, 2014 4:57pm
Rowan

Nutkin
If you were to email DPF he would confirm for you that I am not D4J. But proof or truth is not a requirement for starting a rumour here is it!
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November 8, 2014 4:58pm
Griff

Rowan I don’t think anyone believes you are d4j
but
most think you are fallow travelers on the path of the wobbly mental problems
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November 8, 2014 5:00pm
Shawn Herles

“The founding policies of 5PM are as follows.”

“DEMOCRACY

Three types of referenda – Mandatory Referenda, Popular Referenda, and Veto Referenda – will be binding on central government, with the last two initiated by citizens. Bring back the local to local government through binding referenda.”

This is a hideously bad idea, and is the worst kind of mob populism, a stance that should be anathema to conservatives. It is open slather binding referendum, the very things that helped bankrupt California and Greece. It allowed for bread and circuses, with people voting themselves both tax cuts and more government spending. Like MMP, binding referendum should be opposed by Tory conservatives.

“EQUALITY (since when is equality a conservative value?)

“Ensure equal rights are enshrined in law by:
Removing all references to the Treaty of Waitangi from legislation,
Abolishing the Maori seats in Parliament and local government, and local government Maori statutory boards.
Abolishing the Waitangi Tribunal.”

This would involve radical constitutional change, as the Treaty is a contract between the Crown and Maori. Abolishing that is the kind of sweeping and radical constitutional change that conservatism opposes. This is wrong for the same reason that NZ becoming a republic is wrong, or Helen Clark’s dumping of the Privy Council was wrong. It is telling that some faux “conservative” populists will claim that changing the flag is the end of the world, but happily propose far more radical and sweeping constitutional changes that will have unforeseen consequences.

And again, it looks like populism, not Tory conservatism.

“Cap government spending to 29% of gross domestic product.”

And in time of national disaster or war? Government spending should be lowered where possible, but arbitrary caps are a bad idea.

“No new taxes to be introduced.”

Lowering taxes is good, but this says nothing about that. Meh.

“The workplace should be more flexible.”

Thanks to National it already is.

“FAMILY

“Scrap the smacking law, which law undermines parental authority and criminalises good parents, but crack down on child abuse.”

Amending it would be good.

“Give parents greater choice over the education of their children by extending the present “funding follows the child” pre-school and tertiary education provisions to include primary and secondary schooling as well.”

Fine, but National is already moving in that direction as far as electorally possible. More can only be done if their is enough support for it.

“Get tough on violent offending by cracking down on gangs and drugs.”

Already happening. This is just a filler sound bite.

“Restore the right of ratepayers in each affected area to be excluded from proposals to a amalgamation local councils.”

What does that have to do with the family?

“Protect the environment but not at the exclusion of progress”

Ditto, why is that in the Family section?

Nothing on marriage. Nothing on abortion. Nothing on support for families. For a conservative, nothing to see.

Like the CP, looks like a hodge podge of populism, populist radicalism, and very little coherent conservative content.
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November 8, 2014 5:02pm
Johnboy

That’s a very polite way of saying “nutters” Griff! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 5:02pm
Pete George

Onetrack – It was difficult enough to determine mixed messages from “a 2009 referendum”, and it says nothing about what people think now and whether many are interested now in revisiting something that ended up making very little difference to anyone or anything.
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November 8, 2014 5:03pm
Johnboy

Shawn’s comments are almost reaching the breadth and expanse of Penny’s comments!

I suspect a conflict of the ignoring of huge comments is looming! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 5:06pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

My understanding is that Griff applies a Dorothy-in-the-Land-of-Oz approach to the word “nutter” (the number of times Dorothy tapped her shoes together was significant – tap them three times and something magical happened).

Nutter = nuttier than a fruitcake
Nut nutter = deranged
Nut nut nutter = completely bonkers

Am I right Griff? 🙂
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November 8, 2014 5:06pm
Johnboy

Phil Ure may pop back to challenge the pair of them since the mad LPrent shit the dummy yesterday! 🙂
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November 8, 2014 5:09pm
Nookin

If you are not d4j or his copycat twin brother, why is it that the pair of you so childishly indulge in the same bastardisations of pseudonyms, constantly refer to mental drangement in some shape or form and inevitably scurry back to the mason clinic as a refuge.
There must be some reason for two people to engage so consistently in the same idiosyncratic behaiviour. I am curious, that’s all.
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