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Harriet

A vote for Hillary is a vote for Obama’s third term.

“…..Once again, we see that when Republicans present a conservative alternative to the Democrats’ big-government policies, the voters reward them with a massive victory – just as they did in Reagan’s 1980 and 1984 Presidential victories, Gingrich’s 1994 Contract with America, and the Tea Party victories in 2010.
However, when Republicans present a ‘can’t we all get along, let’s compromise with Democrats and grow government’ face to the voters, they suffer big losses as they did in 2006, 2008 and 2012. Conservatives’ number one goal and objective is to save America by pressing politicians to return to limited, constitutional government, and yesterday the voters took a giant step in that direction by rejecting every one of President Obama’s policies which he said were in fact on the ballot.

A major storyline emerging from the election was the rejection of Republican candidates who abandoned marriage and instead supported redefining marriage. NOM actively opposed Richard Tisei (MA6), Carl DeMaio (CA52) and Monica Wehby, the GOP candidate for US Senate in Oregon. Tisei and Wehby were defeated, and the outcome of the CA52 contest was too close to call on election night.

Ann Coulter offers these as some of the highlights from Tuesday’s elections:

-A former House impeachment manager is now governor of Bill Clinton’s home state of Arkansas.
-The deep blue states of Maryland and Massachusetts will now have Republican governors.
-Republicans have just elected: the youngest member of Congress (Elise Stefanik of New York); the first black female representative from Utah (Mia Love); the first black senator from the South since Reconstruction (Tim Scott). The two black senators from the South before that were also Republicans, as was the first black senator from the North, Edward Brooke.
-Americans really don’t want drivers licenses for illegal aliens.
-Sandra Fluke lost.

Marriage won an overwhelming victory last night. In red states and blue, candidates who supported marriage as the union of one man and one woman won election and those who didn’t were rejected by voters. The Republican Party should take note that their nominees who favored gay ‘marriage’ were opposed by NOM and they were resoundingly defeated………”

Morning Stephie.
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November 7, 2014 8:02am
Dave Mann

I think they mean ‘AC/DC’s alleged drummer’. Have you heard the hideous noise that these people make? And the ‘drumming’? It has all the rhythmic subtlety of an autistic child banging on the table with their fists.

If the courts keep this Rudd character off the stage for a while then they will have done the music world a favour, at least! 😀
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November 7, 2014 8:13am
alloytoo

Anybody catch Hosking’s epilogue to last night’s Seven Sharp?

While no names were mentioned, his rant on local government seemed squarely aimed at Len Brown.
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November 7, 2014 8:21am
Longknives

Dave Mann- You sir are an idiot.
Have you ever actually heard any AC/DC? You sound like my late Grandad for Christ’s sakes!
I saw an interview with none other than Keith Richards once where he said AC/DC were one of the best bands he had ever heard, and that Powerage is one of his favourite albums…But I guess Dave Mann knows better?
Put Back in Black on, turn it up loud and give yourself a slap…
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November 7, 2014 8:24am
Keeping Stock

It’s not an especially flattering photo of Rudd on Stuff this morning. The charge against him of possession of methamphetamine might be a clue to his dishevelled appearance…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10713438/AC-DC-drummer-Phil-Rudds-gun-for-hire
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November 7, 2014 8:28am
kowtow

How’s that Arab Springey thing goin’. Can Camoron do anything right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2821967/Cameron-demands-military-brass-explain-unacceptable-breakdown-discipline-allowed-Libyan-cadets-rampage-outside-barracks.html
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November 7, 2014 8:31am
Dave Mann

Longknives: I, sir, am a music critic who has 40+ years’ experience (albeit in my armchair!) and the last thing I would ever do is put one of their hideous albums on and turn up the volume. What do you think I am…. mad?
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November 7, 2014 8:34am
waikatogirl

Wonder who Phil Rudd put the hits out on? Drug associates I suspect. Guess it will all come out eventually.
The seedy side of life…
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November 7, 2014 8:35am
Longknives

I gave you an uptick Dave as that is a great comeback!
You really should open your mind though and give these albums a spin…Beginner’s Guide – 1) Let There Be Rock 2)Highway to Hell 3) Back in Black
The perfect mix of Blues-driven Hard Rock with just a hint of Metal..
You’ll Thank me later..
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November 7, 2014 8:43am
Than

The Stuff article says he was a big fan of “working girls”, and had to hire a bodyguard because of disputes over payment with their pimps. My guess is he was scared and tried to have the pimps killed for his own safety.
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November 7, 2014 8:44am
Griff

Dirty deeds not done dirt cheap and a few years jail.
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ac dc is music?
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November 7, 2014 8:46am
kowtow

“Wonder who Phil Rudd put the hits out on?”

Armchair music critics?
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November 7, 2014 8:48am
Nigel Kearney

Marriage won an overwhelming victory last night.

These things are always a bit of a Rorshach test – people see what they want to see. I would prefer to see it as a victory for fiscal discipline.

To determine which is more relevant, you could compare results for big spending moral conservatives and small government liberals but there aren’t that many of them and I can’t see an obvious pattern.
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November 7, 2014 8:51am
James Stephenson

You really should open your mind though and give these albums a spin…Beginner’s Guide – 1) Let There Be Rock 2)Highway to Hell 3) Back in Black

Yep, you will surely be amazed at how many albums they’ve managed to farm out of pretty much the same song 😀

More seriously and back to Mr Rudd, AC/DC can lay serious claim to the tightest rhythm section in rock, ever.

@Griff – please, enough with the Dirty Deeds joke, it’s been cracked about 50 million times already and it’s not getting funnier.
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November 7, 2014 8:51am
Longknives

I guess an old Stoner like you Griff prefers a bit of Hawkwind?
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November 7, 2014 8:51am
Farmerpete

Anyone else wondering what is going on at Whaleoil? I got slapped with a ban for commenting on a lopsided KiwiBank attack post and questioning the motives for such posts. All expressed in an acceptable way. I must have hit a nerve because the entire comment disappeared later on with no comment about how I had transgressed or how long I was banished for. Now I see they are using a KiwiBank account to solicit donations. Seems quite ironic to me. I am a big boy and the ban doesn’t phase me but it has left me wondering if I was banned for a quite tame comment, how many others are being drop kicked. I found some of the last posts suggesting a widespread media conspiracy to drive Cameron Slater to suicide to be quite bizarre. I am I in a minority on this?
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November 7, 2014 8:51am
James Stephenson

@Longknives – now, sir, you’re talking…”X in search of space”, “Hall of the Mountain Grill” definitely favourites ahead of anything any Aussie band has ever produced, but today shouldn’t we be talking about the new Floyd album?
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November 7, 2014 8:54am
Longknives

Silver Machine! Silver Machine!

I’d love to post a link to the voluptuous Miss Stacia dancing on stage with Hawkwind but it’s probably not safe for work…..
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November 7, 2014 8:57am
IGM

When are pubic going to awake to the fact Kiwi Rail’s interisland ferries are once again in the hands of a very disruptive and politically motivated union. It is obvious, when one realises the problems have arisen, and got really bad, since taxpayers started funding these leeches once again. It is ironic the same problems are not occurring with competitors . . . they have dedicated and competent staff, not unionised rabble, such as Kiwi Rail have on their ships. Come on National, get rid of the bloody things, like rail, they have been taken over by unions.
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November 7, 2014 8:57am
Longknives

The Endless River? I reckon it will be good- Simply because everything Pink Floyd did was good…(Yep even the Final Cut)
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November 7, 2014 8:58am
Harriet

An Old Hatred Returns.

“….Anti-Semitism has been around for 2,000 years, making it the world’s longest running hatred. What other kind of ethnic hatred is so evident in countries from A to Z?

The organization against the Jews became the strongest unifying, I would say the only unifying feature of the Arab world. Anti-Semitism was no sooner defeated in Hitler’s bunker that in the same moment it reorganized itself through the Arab League against the Jews.

When it was his turn to speak, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stalked right up to the microphone at the 2012 United Nations General Assembly in New York City and proudly declared that the state of Israel should be “eliminated.” It was a sentiment common in the Arab world, common enough that Ahmadinejad knew there would be no retaliation for openly questioning and attacking Israel’s legitimacy.

Certainly, anti-Semitism after 2000 yrs is unique in its cruel staying power. Why then does the western media often seem intent on ensuring that Israel loses the public relations battle?…….”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/11/06/an-old-hatred-returns-n1914580

Key and Ketteridge should take note of that:

Anti-semitism in NZ and other countries by the media, is justification enough in the minds of Arabs to keep slaughtering Jews.
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November 7, 2014 9:00am
Colville

Hasnt ACDC put out the same album 13 times just with a different cover?

Famerpete. There are a couple of dozen who comment on here that have been banned from WO in the last few months.
Since Cam was outed as selling his “opinion” to the highest bidder his moderator has been on a ban without warning binge and the quality and quantity of comment over there has plumeted.
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November 7, 2014 9:01am
Harriet

“……Have you ever actually heard any AC/DC? You sound like my late Grandad for Christ’s sakes!…… Put Back in Black on, turn it up loud and give yourself a slap…..”

Here in aussie, people such as Longknives are called bogans. 😎
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November 7, 2014 9:02am
Griff

Early dance hall Reggea, Nirvana and Johnny Cash spining in the car at the moment longknives.
Plus Lonnie Donegan for the old man.
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November 7, 2014 9:05am
Ed Snack

Acca-dacca as music, Longknives, surely you jest ! Autistic was too kind, an autist would at least maintain the rhythm consistently !
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November 7, 2014 9:06am
georgebolwing

Showing my age, but the Bon Scott era classics like “Long Way to the Shop if you want a Sausage Roll” (the call and response between Scott on the bagpipes and Young on guitar is a rock classic!) and “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap” can still get the feet tapping and the heart racing.
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November 7, 2014 9:07am
James Stephenson

Commuted on the bike this morning so no listening to The Sound to actually hear any of it.

Guardian are positive: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/06/pink-floyd-the-endless-river-review

Independent less so (“boring and desperately disappointing): http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/pink-floyd-the-endless-river-album-review-boring-and-desperately-disappointing-9840601.html

Telegraph kind of non-committal: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/cdreviews/11200390/Pink-Floyd-Endless-River-review-makes-your-speakers-feel-inadequate.html
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November 7, 2014 9:07am
fernglas

I see Phil Rudd has just put out a solo album. I can’t wait for his Greatest Hits!
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November 7, 2014 9:11am
Harriet

LOL.

Half the people on KB have tatts and mullets.

This is real rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPPlGFh6OpQ

Turn that up. 😎
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November 7, 2014 9:12am
Scott Chris

Actually Griff, I think ‘Dirty Deeds’ rather hits the mark… mind you, with Bon Scott on vocals they were a half decent band back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yriW9uX1t0g
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November 7, 2014 9:14am
Dave Mann

kowtow: “Wonder who Phil Rudd put the hits out on?” Armchair music critics?

Thanks for that funny comment…. nice one! 😀
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November 7, 2014 9:14am
EAD

Penetrating article that cuts straight to the matter of how our joke of an economic and monetary system that disregards working, saving and investing in favour of interest rate manipulation, borrowing, spending, inflation and debt:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-05/we-have-just-witnessed-last-gasp-global-economy

The system is on its last legs which you can tell as:
“There is literally nothing left to the financial system but rigged statistics, false promises, and ever expanding debt. In fact, the concept of debt creation is the only thing holding our facade of an economy together”

A slamming of the Big government, Central bank acolytes and a nod to the Austrian economists which he says of us:
“You and I probably find this rather strange. We come from a long forgotten school of economics, in which demand, supply, and savings actually mean something in terms of our fiscal health. I have come across many mainstream economic acolytes and cultists in recent months who disregard ALL logic and reason, forsaking the realities of demand based trade and immersing themselves in a grand delusion in which central bank generated debt and inflation are the real source of “prosperity”.

The author finishes with a powerful conclusion, very similar to the deliberately engineered crash of the 1930’s that advanced the cause of progressivism so much:
“Needless to say, the coming storm is a deliberately engineered one, meant to achieve very specific goals, including a fearful and panicked populace, easy to manipulate as the system goes off the rails for the last time”
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November 7, 2014 9:14am
James Stephenson

No tatts and I have the “going bald #1 crop”…still own every Motorhead album (up to “1916” on vinyl).
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November 7, 2014 9:15am
Dave Mann

fernglas: greatest hits! that was really good too! I’ve got a bit of a hangover this morning and some of the humour is making me feel a lot better!

Must dash… got a couple of pimps to murder before lunchtime.
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November 7, 2014 9:17am
alloytoo

@farmerpete

Welcome to the club, regrettable it’s not that exclusive.
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November 7, 2014 9:18am
Keeping Stock

Just spotted this on FB:

Jeremy Parkinson

Had Phil Rudd been successful, this would have been AC/DC’s first hit in years.

Inevitable, I suppose…
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November 7, 2014 9:19am
flipper

There is music…. and there is noise.
And there is also showmanship, music, and noise – like Elton John, Neil Diamond, Queen, the Beatles….
But, I suppose, to each his own. 🙂
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November 7, 2014 9:20am
waikatosinger

I see our chief censor is making noises about orcon and slingshots global mode (which allows customers to access services like netflix). He says he is thinking about taking legal action because customers might be able to access films that haven’t been classified by his office. To my mind all he has succeeded in doing is demonstrating that our censorship laws are out of date and need rewriting. He is still thinking about films and whether we should be allowed to see them. In the age of the internet that is just ridiculous.
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November 7, 2014 9:22am
Lucia Maria

From the Huffington Post: Russian TV’s American Face

The America that RT depicts has little to love. It’s a violent place, where police shoot innocent civilians, where voting means nothing, a land where citizens languish under the merciless control of big corporations, with the government and the press prisoners of a “corporate takeover.”

Anyone who is concerned about propaganda should take note the efforts being made by Russia to use anything negative to attack the United States with. They feed into the conspiracy theories that are out there, such as no WMD in Iraq, and the US response to Ebola being inadequate:

As the program begins, she walks briskly across the RT television studio. “What’s going on, guys?” she asks hiply. The topic today: Ebola. The scariest aspect of the epidemic, she tells her viewers, is not the disease itself but the “the sheer ignorance profoundly displayed by our educational system in response.”

That’s “our,” as in America’s, not Russia’s educational system. There’s no mention of any steps Russia might be taking to protect itself from the disease. No mention of any assistance Russia might be providing to international efforts to fight or contain Ebola in Africa.

Martin’s target, it’s clear, is the “establishment” that rules the U.S., which RT relentlessly attacks on behalf of Americans subjected to the “establishment’s” rules. As her show’s website explains: “There are too many rules in our society that only prop up the establishment – an establishment that tries its hardest to divide and conquer the people. Breaking the Set is a show that cuts through the pre-written narrative that tries to tell you what to think, and what to care about.”

Hmmm, sounds like this concept of the New World Order, a shadowy group that conspiracy theorists believe actually rule the world, is something Russia wants to exploit to help the West lose faith in her rulers and institutions.

Edited to add: And people like EAD are working hard to undermine our faith in our financial institutions. The type of stuff he goes on about have been talked about for decades, and yet the West hasn’t collapsed yet. It’s remarkably resilient.
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November 7, 2014 9:23am
Keeping Stock

LOL.

Half the people on KB have tatts and mullets.

Like James Stephenson, I must be in the other half Harriet 😀
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November 7, 2014 9:23am
flipper

Say….
Rudd and AC/DC, and the Tauranga Court appearance, just featured in extensive coverage on Fox. Still going….
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November 7, 2014 9:24am
iMP

Obama sorted. Guns now turn on Hillary (lets nip that in the bud).

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/obama-defeated-guns-turn-on-hillary/
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November 7, 2014 9:25am
MH

As Ringo was often quoted….
where there’s conflict, there’s drummer

pa rum pum pum pum
To lay before the King, pa rum pum pum pum,
rum pum pum pum, rum pum pum pum,

How many shopping days to Xmas ?
Hey, Hadrian….Tear down that wall…..lest we forget.
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November 7, 2014 9:25am
kowtow

davemann

Just building on waikatogirls’ comment.All good fun.ba doom tish.
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November 7, 2014 9:27am
Nostalgia-NZ

Farmerpete (50 comments) says:

‘November 7th, 2014 at 8:51 am

Anyone else wondering what is going on at Whaleoil? I got slapped with a ban for commenting on a lopsided KiwiBank attack post and questioning the motives for such posts. All expressed in an acceptable way. I must have hit a nerve because the entire comment disappeared later on with no comment about how I had transgressed or how long I was banished for. Now I see they are using a KiwiBank account to solicit donations. Seems quite ironic to me. I am a big boy and the ban doesn’t phase me but it has left me wondering if I was banned for a quite tame comment, how many others are being drop kicked. I found some of the last posts suggesting a widespread media conspiracy to drive Cameron Slater to suicide to be quite bizarre. I am I in a minority on this?’

As DPF climbs off the canvas to retake no1 spot as NZ’s most popular blog. I don’t think the media are trying to drive oil anywhere, he’s doing that nicely himself – with consummate ease apparently.
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November 7, 2014 9:29am
James Stephenson

And there is also showmanship, music, and noise

If that isn’t the best description of Angus Young, I don’t know what is.
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November 7, 2014 9:31am
EAD

This will get the usual suspects on her going into denial mode – Putin named the most powerful man in the world for the 2nd year running.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2823030/President-Obama-comes-lame-duck-Forbes-declares-Vladmir-Putin-powerful-person-world.html

And the top rated comments from the Worlds most widely read Western newspaper are:
“Hardly surprising. You don’t see Putin playing golf when there is a serious national crisis on the go or lounging in his office with his feet up on a desk, or drinking coffee stepping out of the Presidential helicopter and failing to return the salute of his soldiers”

“Putin defends the interests of his country – while our and US politicians dance to the tune of the oil companies or to Wall Street”

While he is nowhere near perfect, isn’t amazing that almost any Western News source you read is full of anti-Russian bile yet the comments are almost always positive in support of Putin & Russia. While Russia has some way to go to reach the level of liberty we USED to enjoy in the West, it is the direction that is important. Russia is going in the right direction quickly from absolute rock bottom under the Communists, whilst we are going down hill………….fast.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10695636/Fireworks-days-numbered-Key
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November 7, 2014 9:31am
Griff

No tatts and a number 1.
Sounds like the definitive fashion statement for truly stylish KBloggers to me.
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November 7, 2014 9:32am
EAD

@ Lucia,

EAD is undermining our faith in financial institutions?

Well I guess you have to have a lot of faith to believe our indebted government are going to make good on all their promises in dollars worth what they are at the moment and I guess you have to have a lot of faith to believe that pieces of paper is actually worth anything.

To be honest, I deal in reality. logic & the laws of mathematics. You can keep your “faith” as I’ve lost mine in the corrupt financial system.
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November 7, 2014 9:35am
doggone7

@farmerpete

It seems that paranoia is the latest affliction to be rife in that place.

@alloytoo; “Welcome to the club, regrettable it’s not that exclusive.”

And the ease of gaining membership is bewildering!
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November 7, 2014 9:35am
Griff

When you look at the stats whale has not taken a hit in readership. Other than the decline from the peak generated by the election his numbers are steady as she goes at around 5 times KB
A Tabloid for passive readership seems to work when it comes to page views.
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November 7, 2014 9:38am
Lucia Maria

EAD,

Yet we have a higher standard of living than any other time in history. All that paper money must be worth something. All that debt must be having a positive effect, ie the sky is not falling even though Chicken Little has been running around warning everyone of that for at least 20 years that I know of. For in the early 90’s I was reading the exact same thing that you promote in various conspiracy magazines, which is paper money is not worth anything, banks make money out of nothing, buy gold.
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November 7, 2014 9:41am
stephieboy

Morning Harriet,

I posted this yesterday about the calibre of some of the Republicans successful candidates which will doubtlessly strongly resonate with you.

America’s worst new congressman: Why Georgia’s Jody Hice is so frightening

He thinks abortion is “worse than Hitler,” and hates gays, women and Muslims. Here’s what’s headed to Congress.

It’s official: in January, Jody Hice will be sworn in as the next Congressman from Georgia’s 10th District. This is a man who has called Islam, the second-largest religion in the world, “a totalitarian way of life with a religious component” that “does not deserve First Amendment protection.” In his book he calls legal abortion “worse than Hitler’s six million Jews or Mussolini’s three hundred thousand,” adding that “the genocide in America is inexcusable!” In 2004, he told the Athens Banner-Herald that he doesn’t “see a problem” with women running for office “if the woman’s within the authority of her husband.” On his radio show he blamed Sandy Hook and other school shootings on “kicking God out of the schools, and… kicking God out of the public square.” He once misquoted a satirical essay by a gay writer as evidence that homosexuals preying on children was “part of the ‘gay manifesto’” and part of the “radical agenda that is currently threatening our nation.”

As Matthew Pulver of the Flagpole writes, Jody Hice believes a lot of things that make him sound insane. Last night, he won a seat in Congress.

A Baptist minister and former talk radio host, Hice is filling the hole left after Paul Broun’s failed run for Senate. You might remember Paul Broun as the Congressman and medical doctor who stood in a room festooned with deer heads and told a gathering of Baptists and hunters that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang were “lies straight from the pit of Hell.” Broun set an incredibly high bar for mindboggling insanity, but Hice just might be able to clear it.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/americas_worst_new_congressman_why_georgias_jody_hice_is_so_frightening/

As the link concludes crazy failed Senator Paul Brown set a high bar for moonbat mind boggling insanity but Hice might be just able to clear it.

We certainly have our local variants who post on KB ( Redbaiter,Kowtow, Harriet Fletch , Manolo etc ) but most fortunately they have almost nilch likelihood of ever entering parliament.

The beacon of light that is progressivism shall never be ever be able to squelched . Hopefully more saner ,more liberal Republicans like Rand Paul can prevail and carry the torch . Am pessimistic though

Also before you crow once to often the Repugnantins have at this point in time few credible Presidential candidates to match Hilary Clinton.She’ll be fervently hoping they’ll select their current front runner Jeb Bush for obvious reasons.

Do remember that the mid terms had one of the lowest pollings in midterm history. Hardly a huge mandate to do much at all.
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November 7, 2014 9:41am
Tarquin North

Farmerpete – if it’s any help I got banned for bugger all and as alloy2 says it’s not a very exclusive club to be in. I’m told you can grovel back, I won’t and don’t think many others will. Welcome to a far nicer place populated by good people who don’t mind a robust discussion with respectful people who can take a joke.
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November 7, 2014 9:42am
wikiriwhis business

“The America that RT depicts has little to love. It’s a violent place, where police shoot innocent civilians, where voting means nothing, a land where citizens languish under the merciless control of big corporations, with the government and the press prisoners of a “corporate takeover.”

RT is not the sole media explaining this. Proof of US police brutality is documented manifoldly on You tube. In fact US police forces have been so embarrassed by documented evidence against their officers they are now taking cell phones and cams off those who film them. Although it is perfectly legal for the public to film police.

If you don’t yet know the US is now a corporation you will after the National Socialist banker signs the TPP.

In fact criminal gangster Bill English had no answer for questions put to him by the public.

The truth will all come out after gangster Key and English have bolted like cut cats from the country before they are lynched as the traitors they truly are.
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November 7, 2014 9:43am
Harriet

“….And the ease of gaining membership[kb] is bewildering!…”

You just need an ADHD album. 😎

And we’ll take it as gospel truth you also have these

….Tatts….

….Mullet.

…Rottweiler.

….V8

….and a wife with a tiedye dress and bad grammer. 😎
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November 7, 2014 9:46am
georgebolwing

@EAD

That is not a “penetrating article”. It’s a blog post from some anonymous dude who clearly knows nothing about economics.

If the uber-Austrians were right, then the world economy should have collapsed decades ago. It didn’t.
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November 7, 2014 9:47am
tom hunter

I see a few sad dregs of the Obama Lovefest 2008 concert muttering about how Mid-Term election mandates don’t matter.

That’s why I appreciated one prominent American politician – reflecting on the possibility that in the wake of the mid-term election the President might dig his heels in and refuse to change – saying that if the President was …… “stubborn, refuses to take signals from the election that the American people are looking for a different approach, then we could get bogged down and not make progress.”

Even partisan dickheads could agree to that surely?
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November 7, 2014 9:48am
Harriet

“….Do remember that the mid terms had one of the lowest pollings in midterm history. Hardly a huge mandate to do much at all….”

Winner takes all loser.
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November 7, 2014 9:52am
EAD

@ Lucia,

If we are so “wealthy” why is this country collectively hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in debt? Debt is living standards borrowed from the future especially if to fund consumption.

You mainly seem wise. Surely Time is the ultimate measure of wealth?
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November 7, 2014 9:52am
stephieboy

Lucia Maria, EAD can’t grasp the simple and obvious fact that a nations currency such as our dollar represents this countries net worth in terms of GDP I.e what it earns interns of exports like Agricultural, Fishery, Horticultural , Forestry products etc, etc.
Thus this piece of paper is not a valueless and meaningless item and going to be.g the gold standard will not change that fact one iota.

Besides if all nations went to gold there would simply be not enough of the stuff to go around .But we won’t let get that in the way of some of his monnbat Conpiracy theoriies including the imminent world economic apocalypse ZeronHedge and others have been predicting ever since 2007.
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November 7, 2014 9:53am
MH

I do wish the AB’s would do a re-enactment of the 1905-1965 Haka – when it was just a simple one line chorus, a quivering of the hands a slap on the thighs, a couple of yawns,the feet tapping out to an old AC/DC song, a few stop signs and then a warm up 3 and 5/8″ leap in the air. And then good old fashioned rucking, a few penalty goals and it was all over.
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November 7, 2014 9:54am
Longknives

“It’s a violent place, where police shoot innocent civilians”

Is this what you mean by ‘Innocent Civilian’ Wikiriwhi? Just done a robbery then attacked a Cop….

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/
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November 7, 2014 9:54am
tom hunter

Do remember that the mid terms had one of the lowest pollings in midterm history.

Tears of Impotent Rage

Crisp. Refreshing. Soul-nourishing.
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November 7, 2014 9:55am
Lucia Maria

WB,

Police can be brutal, shit happens when force needs to be used. It happens in NZ too. And Russia, though we don’t hear that much about the brutality of Russian police, do we?

If the US is a corporation, so is New Zealand. So is every other successful country in the world. Which actually renders the word “corporation” totally meaningless, leaving a negative anti-capitalist idea floating around. This is just communism have becoming more sophisticated in their attacks on capitalism, which you are participating in.

Ever wonder how communism picked up so many adherents? By picking valid criticisms of the world as it was and exploiting those criticisms. By all means criticise, but don’t let yourself be exploited into bringing down the civilisation that allows self-criticism.
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November 7, 2014 9:55am
iMP

FarmerPete re WO, I’ve been banned 4 times for the most minor infringements (any kind of, even mild, critique of Cam’s inconsistencies; once for simply linking). Finally gave up and came to talk to the Adults (well, I’ve always been here…WO was a wayward cavort). WO is not really interested in a free exchange of ideas. Pete’s great; but there is a fragility to The Camo Shooter bordering on ego-tistical or perhaps narcissistic, paranoia and control.

The irony is, that The Camo Shooter’s treatment of others, would get him banned a thousand times from his own site. Most poli.s accept it as toxic. It will eventually beach and start to smell. I think it already is.
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November 7, 2014 9:55am
iMP

Meanwhile, back to the Homophobic Huddle of Horrendousness…

Eyelashes Anne Coulter suggests the gay marriage thing was a factor in the American Mid-Terms.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/was-gay-marriage-a-factor-in-the-us-mid-terms/
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November 7, 2014 9:59am
Harriet

“….though we don’t hear that much about the brutality of Russian police, do we?….”

Lucia, Russians have taken it into their own hands with internal car cameras .

Cops are starting to behave themselves because of them, and drivers also have evidence of car crashes for police and insurance companies.
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November 7, 2014 10:00am
IGM

See another PI (ethnicity of peace) beat a policeman to the point he was unrecognisable. He is being gaoled (feted to luxurious living) for a few years. Why is he, and his immediate family not immediately deported, as was in the manifesto many years ago of Bob Jones’ NZ Party. Why do we keep these non-productive losers here where they demand state houses, benefits, and all other goodies at the expense of our overburdened taxpayers . . . something they are NOT!
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November 7, 2014 10:03am
Lucia Maria

Stephieboy,

… if all nations went to gold there would simply be not enough of the stuff to go around ….

That’s a key point – economies have expanded beyond gold. And gold is only valuable because people have decided it’s valuable and can be exchanged for money. It doesn’t have the intrinsic concept of money imbued in it’s structure – gold as money is an idea. So is paper money and electronic money – they are all ideas that we agree have value, and the world turns on that.
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November 7, 2014 10:04am
fernglas

Apropos of Phil Rudd, a musician friend once told me that the difference between a drummer and a computer is that you only have to punch information into a computer once.
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November 7, 2014 10:07am
MH

Well there’s two things Kiwis apparently can’t do, that’s to go down an old mine and remove a few corpses and secondly remove a wreck from a few rocks……hang on, isn’t that a description of the Labour Party ?
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November 7, 2014 10:09am
Harriet

“…..Also before you crow once to often the Repugnantins have at this point in time few credible Presidential candidates to match Hilary Clinton.She’ll be fervently hoping they’ll select their current front runner Jeb Bush for obvious reasons…..”

Cruz is honing his foreign policy.

He sees that as the biggest distinguishing factor between himself and other GOP candidates.

Paul for one definatly can’t beat that. And Christie probaly can’t either. Paul is possibly the best of the others, except for Romney.
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November 7, 2014 10:11am
Ed Snack

Wiki, I think you need some help with that persecution complex.

Some US police react improperly and with violence, yes. It is documented often enough to be able to find a number of examples on the web, because of the ubiquity of cell phones and the very large number of interactions. There are bad examples in every police force, it’s a classic problem.

Yes, the US police have often tried to prevent people videoing them, however the US courts have consistently held that citizens do indeed have the right to do so and that the police lack the authority to prevent them. Numerous cases have in fact been decided against the police; hardly the sign of a police state.

And the biggest sign of a corporate takeover in the US is the alliance of billionaires with the Democrats in a form of crony capitalism; but even that is far from “merciless control”. The MSM is indeed largely though not entirely under “liberal” (in US terms) corporate control, but that said it’s still freer than most countries.

On the TPP, I doubt you have any understanding of what the treaty actually would do as regards legal enforcement of contracts, the spin out there about the “corporate takeover” is truly loathsomely dishonest.
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November 7, 2014 10:14am
georgebolwing

@EAD

Mainstream economists have known since at least the publication of ramsey’s “A mathematical theory of saving” in 1928 that the intertemporal maximisation of utility is achieved by consumption smoothing, meaning borrowing when you are young and lending when you are old.

The end result of this individual welfare maximization, at the macro scale, must, of course, be a zero sum game: for every borrower there is a corresponding lender. That those lenders and borrowers do not have to be in the same country is one of the great advances of modern capitalism.

That we can undertake more economic activity in New Zealand than we have domestic savings to support, because foreigner savers are prepared to lend us money, is a good thing, not something to lose sleep over.
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November 7, 2014 10:18am
Lucia Maria

Harriet @ 10am

That the population has had to install car cameras enmasse for justice in Russia points to a much bigger policing problem than what is happening the USA.
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November 7, 2014 10:19am
Colville

I really think the WO site is like a big tree that has been ringbarked.
Its dying from the ground up but its too dumb to know its happeneing.
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November 7, 2014 10:22am
James Stephenson

the difference between a drummer and a computer

Which reminds me of the one about the missionary who is disturbed by the constant drumming in the jungle where he’s spreading the good word, so he approaches the local chief…

The chief instantly pales with fear “No, do not wish for the drums to stop, you don’t want to be here when the drums stop!”

This frightens the missionary, but he presses the chief “Please, I need to know the danger, what could possibly be so bad?”

“BASS SOLO!”
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November 7, 2014 10:22am
Harriet

“…..That the population has had to install car cameras enmasse for justice in Russia points to a much bigger policing problem than what is happening the USA…….”

Lucia the Russians are coming off a low base in all areas of government. I’m not saying they’re doing everything right but it’s better than they had.
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November 7, 2014 10:26am
georgebolwing

@Lucia Maria

Straining to remember my first year macroeconomics, for something to be regarded as “money”, it must have three attributes:

1) Money is a stable store of value; the most essential attribute, as without stability of value the function of numeraire, or unit of measure of value, fails.
2) Money is the numeraire, the unit of account.
3) Money is a medium of exchange.

Gold has all three of these attributes, as does paper money and electronic funds.

The uber-Austrians that EAD seems to think have sensible ideas hate governments so much that they are desperate to find alternatives to government-issued money. One of their attractions to gold is that the quantity in circulation could not be easily controlled by governments.
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November 7, 2014 10:33am
wat dabney

Lucia,

As explained by economist Herbert Stein, ‘if something cannot go on forever, it will stop.’
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November 7, 2014 10:33am
Lucia Maria

Harriet,

Lucia the Russians are coming off a low base in all areas of government. I’m not saying they’re doing everything right but it’s better than they had.

Actually, things are getting worse over there, not better. There was improvement off a low base in the 90’s, but after Putin came in, there has been a gradual, and then much faster recently, rollback.

In fact, in a recent poll, most Russians expect Stalin-era persecutions to happen again in the future.
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November 7, 2014 10:35am
Viking2

waikatosinger (63 comments) says:
November 7th, 2014 at 9:22 am

I see our chief censor is making noises about orcon and slingshots global mode (which allows customers to access services like netflix). He says he is thinking about taking legal action because customers might be able to access films that haven’t been classified by his office. To my mind all he has succeeded in doing is demonstrating that our censorship laws are out of date and need rewriting. He is still thinking about films and whether we should be allowed to see them. In the age of the internet that is just ridiculous.
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That of course will be driven by the competition that’s losing business. i.e. sky, TVNZ no doubt as some puritanical Govt. direction.
He can’t win as they will always be much more clever than any Govt. stoge.
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November 7, 2014 10:37am
Ryan Sproull

What do you call one of those people who follows a band around from gig to gig?

A drummer.
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November 7, 2014 10:39am
Redbaiter

Great GD today. Thanks for the interesting comments, the laughs and the links.
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November 7, 2014 10:40am
waikatosinger

Everyone is focussing on the police brutality thing. What about the rest of it …

“… where voting means nothing, a land where citizens languish under the merciless control of big corporations, with the government and the press prisoners of a “corporate takeover.”

That criticism seems on target. Voting over there does mean, if not nothing, then certainly a lot less than it does in New Zealand. Representative democracy is electing the people who run the country. In the US they elect people while another bunch of people run the country. We choose our government. Over there it isn’t even clear what is meant by “government”. The US system absolutely sucks. I lived in the US for seven years and I’m very glad I now live in NZ.

And as for the control by corporations thing … anyone want to argue about that?

Of course it is very ironical that these criticisms are coming from Russia.
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November 7, 2014 10:41am
Fletch

Obama is still living in a fantasy world built around his own ego and doesn’t look like changing anytime soon; or, in fact, ever. Now he is claiming that the two-thirds of people who didn’t vote in the election support him.

Here’s a good representation of Obama from the writer at Human Events –

If that all sounds familiar, it’s because it comes from the same scratched vinyl disk as the rest of his rhetoric. He’s said something similar about loving good ideas on a bipartisan basis many times before – and never, not for one instant, not in one single area, has he actually conducted himself that way. You’re not supposed to remember that, of course. You are, as always, supposed to think Barack Obama just arrived in Washington yesterday, and can’t believe the mess he found. You’re not supposed to remember the arrogant jerk who said “I won” when Republicans asked for input into his stimulus plan, which turned into an unholy disaster that primarily benefited rich Democrats with good political connections. You’re not supposed to remember the petulant little boy storming out of budget negotiations, the Third World strongman who rewrites legislation in defiance of the Constitution, the arrogant fool who huffed that the people who held office before his arrival shouldn’t “do a lot of talking” after his arrival, the shadowy operator who dispatches a swarm of gremlins to thwart every congressional inquiry… heck, you’re not supposed to know that Obama just called Republicans “un-American” for insisting on ballot security three days ago. No, you’re supposed to buy this ridiculous act that he’s a non-partisan seeker of truth who just wants to collect the best ideas from everyone and make Washington work better. And that’s why he can’t launch a web site, even if you give him a billion dollars to spend on it.

You’d have to go a long way back into the history books to find an election that was a louder, clearer repudiation of a President and his ideology. But Obama explicitly said he doesn’t feel “repudiated” at all, even though last month he was trumpeting that the election absolutely would be a referendum on his policies, you bet your bippy, every last ballot would a “like” or “dislike” on the great Facebook page of democracy. The knees of Democrat candidates turned to water every time he shot his mouth off, and now he’s throwing the survivors under the bus to stroke his ego and set his minions up with Sunday-show talking points. The electorate shouted “NO!” but to Obama, no means yes. He’s like a cad who needs to be shoved out of his own car on date night before he gets the message.

http://humanevents.com/2014/11/06/obama-on-midterms-the-people-who-didnt-vote-matter-more-than-the-people-who-did/
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November 7, 2014 10:41am
wat dabney

“And as for the control by corporations thing … anyone want to argue about that? ”

Probably anyone out of their teens would argue with it.
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November 7, 2014 10:45am
waikatosinger

I do wish the AB’s would do a re-enactment of the 1905-1965 Haka – when it was just a simple one line chorus, a quivering of the hands a slap on the thighs, a couple of yawns,the feet tapping out to an old AC/DC song, a few stop signs and then a warm up 3 and 5/8″ leap in the air. And then good old fashioned rucking, a few penalty goals and it was all over.

Yep – the Haka these days is a hell of a show. In fact the ABs put so much into the Haka that they seem mentally exhausted afterwards. I have a theory that this is why other teams often seem to start well against the ABs. The ABs are so wrung out after giving it their all in the Haka that they need to spend the first 10 minutes of the game recovering before getting down to the business of comprehensively demolishing the other team.
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November 7, 2014 10:49am
dime

AC/DC would be mortified if they knew people commenting on a political blog weren’t huge fans..

Dime LOVES AC/DC. Great band.

Sounds like Rudd shares Dimes love of hookers. The difference being, i always pay…
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November 7, 2014 10:59am
Fletch

What the followers of the so-called “religion of peace” are doing in Pakistan. A few days ago they murdered a Christian couple and their children on trumped-up charges. Not only murdered – burned them alive. The pregnant woman and her husband’s legs were broken so they could not escape the oven they were put in.

The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has received information about a horrifying incident of a Christian couple being burnt alive on charges of Blasphemy in Pakistan’s Punjab Province. According to information, the couples’ legs have been broken so that they cannot escape the burning. The young Christian couple has been severely beaten and were both thrown into burning kiln by an enraged mob of about 2000 to 3000. This large mob had been instigated by the owner of a kiln in Kasur District in the Punjab Province, where the Provincial Government permits any person, especially organized mobs to do as they please, with impunity to those religious minorities such as Christians, Ahmadi’s etc. This incident too has taken place with full police presence and connivance.

The incident had taken place at the time the couple had met the kiln owner to demand arrears in payments due to them – dues that amounted to about Rupees 500,000 for work done for over a period of several months. The kiln owner had charged them instead with blasphemy and instigated the mobs to break their legs and burn them alive, on allegations that the couple burnt pages from the Holy Quran.

http://www.humanrights.asia/news/urgent-appeals/AHRC-UAC-147-2014
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November 7, 2014 11:02am
stephieboy

Ed Snack , your a deluded fool if you think Crony Capitalism is the exclusive domain of Democrats.

Michelle Bachmann with her and her families snouts well, truly and deeply in the hogs trough,

Bachmann Has Income from Subsidized Farm,

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, a critic of federal spending, received between $5,000 and $15,000 in income last year from a family farm that has received more than $250,000 in federal subsidies, according to her most recent House financial-disclosure form.
Bachmann, winner of the Aug. 13 Iowa Straw Poll for Republican presidential contenders, also reported that her interest in the farm was valued at between $500,000 and $1 million in 2010; a year earlier, she assigned the value of Bachmann Farm Family LP at between $100,000 and $250,000. Lawmakers can list income and assets in broad ranges.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-16/bachmann-has-income-from-subsidized-farm.html

and Crony Capitalism well and truly switches parties,

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/timothy-noah/95026/crony-capitalism-switches-parties
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November 7, 2014 11:11am
peterwn

As others have commented, a few observations on WO blog:
1. Numbers are down – but that is to be expected following the election.
2. Cam is embroiled with legal action on 2-3 fronts and this has temporarily curtailed his involvement – Pete his right hand guy has admitted as much. Because of legal concerns there would be some topics he would dearly love to have a go at but cannot.
3. His using Kiwibank for donations does seem ironic, my theory on this is he perceives Kiwibank less likely to bow to pressure to close the account than the four ‘high street’ banks (he had to stop publicising a solicitor’s trust account he was using). In this regard, years ago, ASB (before it was Australian owned) closed a savings account that Rob Muldoon had since a child because the management did not like his utterances.
4. As far as moderation policies are concerned, the owners of blogs can do what they like. Human frailty being what it is, if a blogger and helpers are under pressure, moderation practices could well become both idiosyncratic and erratic.
5. “May you live in interesting times” – applies both to WO and MSM
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November 7, 2014 11:14am
dirty harry

anybody had the unfortunate task of taking a youngster through the AA for their drivers licence ? What a pathetic outfit. Reminds me of Gliding On , the television programme from the early 80’s about Government departments and how slack they were. The AA , although not a Govt dept , takes care of all things driving. What a piss poor outfit the Christchurch city branch is..you will queue for at least an hour to do one simple thing. The staff are abysmal , many pre and post menopausal women scowling over the counter at the most simple of questions asked. 3 counters/3 counter staff.. simply not enough for the screeds of people who go through the place.

Total revamp needed..its 2014 AA not 1973.
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November 7, 2014 11:16am
EAD

George, Stephie, Lucia,

You all sure have a lot of confidence over what are worthless bits of paper rather than physical gold. The smart people are buying gold and silver, while the indebted “multicutural”, “green”, “welfarist”, “caring”, “MSM comatose” West get rid of it and our valuable land for worthless paper.

If you ignore the fact the Swiss are about to vote to reinstate gold into their currency http://www.investing.com/analysis/swiss-gold-referendum:-schiff's-message-to-voters-231641, the Germans want their Gold back from the Fed but can’t get it because its been rehypothecated hundreds of times over http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/01/19/the-germans-want-their-gold-reserves-back-in-germany/, the Chinese & Russians are buying it hand over fist http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-10/gold-demand-in-china-seen-at-record-as-bear-market-spurs-sales.html then you can carry on as normal and worry about the big issues facing NZ – flags, firework bans, the All Blacks new uniform and invest your savings by borrowing more money from overseas to inflate the cost of shelter in the biggest ponzi scheme ever seen in this young country.

If you can’t see we, the people, are quite literally being set up to be ‘slaughtered’ in the longer term, you will never see it, so carry on with your confidence in paper & politicians…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11204581/Gold-price-tumbling-to-1000-as-rising-dollar-crushes-confidence.html#comment-1673409944
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November 7, 2014 11:19am
Redbaiter

Whale and Pete are in my humble opinion a couple of progressive charlatans with no more integrity than the people they frequently target.

Publishing private emails is the same act of cowardice no matter who does it, Hagar or Slater.
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November 7, 2014 11:31am
EAD

Despite promises of running a surplus to fool the gullible idiots who thought that if they voted for the Blue team “the leopard might change his spots”, English pretty much announces that he hasn’t got a sh*t show in hell of running a surplus. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/63000994/Budget-deficit-worsens-slightly

When you don’t cut your spending and in fact significantly “give it a boost” to use your parlance, how did you actually expect to run a surplus except in your Alice in Wonderland world?

And stop calling the money you steal from hard working Kiwis under threat of arrest, “revenue”. It is not revenue – you didn’t earn it, it is called “tax takings from taxpayers”.
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November 7, 2014 11:42am
Ed Snack

Stephie, of course it’s not the exclusive domain of the Democrats, ALL politicians like cronyism because they directly benefit. But the GOP rarely campaign on the basis that their opponents are corporate slaves while they themselves are your bulwark against such “dark money” spenders. The Democrats are just (for now) much bigger offenders on the hypocrisy front; under Obama cronyism has become far more evident; just look at the favours Democrat funders and bundlers can reap, from Solyndra to MF Global/Jon Corzine.

And of course the GOP politicians will do it when they can, expose, name, and shame, and best of all, prosecute illegal actions severely when they do something of this nature. Don’t excuse it on a partisan basis. Justice under Obama has become a partisan joke, just ask Corzine, he’s still free and laughing (and raising funds for the Democrats).
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November 7, 2014 11:43am
Jinky

AC/DC are one of the greatest rock acts to come out of Glasgow ever.
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November 7, 2014 11:48am
alloytoo

@EAD

As emotively satisfying as it might be to have a big pile of dirty yellow metal, I would much prefer to my currency to be reflective of productive usable assets.

Gold became a store of wealth (note, a store, a place to keep), because of it’s rarity and portability.

It’s this rarity which now renders it inappropriate as a basis for currency, simply because the world got richer (and more sophisticated)
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