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hj

A giant in stature, intellect and presence, he reformed the Labor Party, led it out of the wilderness and irrevocably changed the Australian political agenda. He had vision before the word became a cliche.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/25429068/surviving-pms-to-honour-gough-whitlam/

Introduced the policy of multiculturalism

The Whitlam Government was responsible for the introduction of the official policy of multiculturalism, whereby government policies would encourage the notion that cultural differences within society should be accepted and celebrated.86 The first expressions of this policy were the introduction of new translation services for migrants, the establishment of multicultural radio services, and the incorporation of multiculturalism into health, welfare and education policy.87 Immigration Minister Al Grassby was an enthusiastic advocate of the principles of multiculturalism, passionately arguing for the benefits of cultural diversity and the importance of social harmony and tolerance.88

http://www.whitlam.org/gough_whitlam/achievements/foreignaffairsandimmigration
The PROBLEM with multiculturalism is that you require more and more immigration to achieve it and you have to be blind to any negative effects.

“Among policy and analytical circles in New Zealand there is a pretty high degree of enthusiasm for high levels of immigration. Some of that stems from the insights of literature on increasing returns to scale. Whatever the general global story, the actual productivity track record here in the wake of very strong inward migration is poor. In an Australian context, the Productivity Commission – hardly a hot-bed of xenophobia or populism – concluded that any benefits from migration to Australia were captured by migrants and there were few or no discernible economic benefits to Australians. And that was in a country already rich and successful and with materially higher national saving and domestic investment rates than those in NZ.”

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
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November 6, 2014 8:04am
Peter

Greens abandoned blogging?
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November 6, 2014 8:04am
hj

The optimism and energy thathe represented, that he embodied, were and remain emblematic of a vision of Australia as an independent, confident, outward-looking, generous nation.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/farewell-gough-whitlam-friend-comrade-and-reformer-20141105-11h816.html#ixzz3IDg6D5cZ

Our own popular visionary:

What do you want to be remembered for?”
“Going back to that main point I think it was Muldoon who famously said “I want to leave the country in no worse condition than I found it”.
“Isn’t that a low ambition?”
“Yes I want to leave the country in better condition than I found it and if theres something (I genuinely beleive) It would be lifting our confidence to a certain degree about how we see our selves in the world and what we think we are capable of achieving. Now I think individually there is masses of ambition that sits out there there but can we actually take that and convert that to take the opportunity .
And I always thought what was happening in the opposition of politics (of course they would oppose National, that’s their job actually apart from everything else) but it was a bit negative about out place in the world. So we played a bit about whether people coming here was a good or bad thing whether people should invest here was a good or bad thing, or whether we have a trade agreement with parts of Asia was a good or bad thing, but actually in my mind, the reason that I want to say yes to those things is because they are the opportunities that reflect our opportunities to both get wealthier (which is all about what you can do with that money) and then ultimately the oppurtunities for Kiwis. I’d like New Zealanders to feel (after my time as Prime Minister) they have become more confident outward looking nation more multicultural.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/CAMPBELL-LIVE-Monday-September-22-2014/tabid/3692/articleID/103019/MCat/2908/Default.aspx

Or is it more a matter of Key smooching on the dance floor with those enjoying land price inflation while the left (bigots and neanderthalls) talk in strange toungues of a utopia that they with feet on the ground just aren’t seeing.
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November 6, 2014 8:05am
IGM

What in hell is wrong with Aucklanders? After listening to Lecher Len lying and digressing on Newstalk this morning, one would expect ratepayers to be rebelling in the streets. This apology for a perverted goose is yet another Labour-aligned leech who should be assigned to a refuse tip.
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November 6, 2014 8:06am
Keeping Stock

Give it up hj. Your mate Winston was rendered impotent by the election result, and your repetitive xenophobia, like that of NZF, is just white noise. Denis O’Rourke’s speech in yesterday’s General Debate was simply awful, but Peters will be pleased his underlings carry on his racist rhetoric…

http://youtu.be/u4i_MsTZnSM
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November 6, 2014 8:09am
Nostalgia-NZ

Cameron Brewer calls it like it is, don’t increase rates ‘look within’ council for savings.

The only thing complicated about running the ‘super’ City Council is making it look like staff that are not required have something to do. Len Brown doesn’t get the fact that ‘good’ policy doesn’t require spin, nor that good governance doesn’t require ’emergency services’ bringing smoke screens and babble. Good governance doesn’t require people who sit at computer screens all day to have to add to congestion by going to the city to sit in Len’s little castle. Give the guy a plastic crown and a bag of marbles and send him on his way.
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November 6, 2014 8:11am
publicwatchdog

Some of us have been VERY focused on taking on Mayor Len Brown and his ‘Supercity for the 1%’ IDIOT IGM?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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November 6, 2014 8:12am
IGM

Public Dog: Are you cleaning out your hovel? Maybe one should buy it, trashing it, or renting it to some bros. Must look at some way to really piss you off, as you do to everyone else.
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November 6, 2014 8:15am
kowtow

Mosques implicated in brutal murder of Christian couple in Pakistan.

“…..the attack on the couple was instigated using local mosques at the behest of a local brick kiln owner, over a monetary dispute amounting to approximately Pakistani Rs100,000 (US$ 970).”

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014/11/pakistani-christian-couple-killed-mob-2014115154959911691.html
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November 6, 2014 8:16am
Keeping Stock

Some of us have been VERY focused on taking on Mayor Len Brown and his ‘Supercity for the 1%’ IDIOT IGM?

Penny Bright

So says the anti-corruption watchdog who claims she doesn’t do personal abuse. Pot; meet kettle…
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November 6, 2014 8:16am
IGM

Public Dog: I stated ratepayers, not rates defaulters . . . you are precluded.
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November 6, 2014 8:20am
hj

Keeping Stock (10,354 comments) says:
November 6th, 2014 at 8:09 am

Give it up hj. Your mate Winston was rendered impotent by the election result, and your repetitive xenophobia, like that of NZF, is just white noise. Denis O’Rourke’s speech in yesterday’s General Debate was simply awful, but Peters will be pleased his underlings carry on his racist rhetoric…
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Cracks me up how people get so riled up about immigrants. Especially them chinese.

Dime loves em – i like their food, i like their reasonably priced blow jobs, i like that they only seem to commit crimes against each other, i like that they have made me a fortune in property, i like that they built me a kick ass house.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/editorials_on_immigration.html

Harcourts Showcase more than 800 million worth of property in Shanghai.

“Chinese economy we all know about…
Chinese government says it’s time to grow offshore…..
Let’s take a good selection of New Zealands “products” over….
“We’re all New Zealanders, we all love the country so I think it’s healthy for us to have the debate and make the right decisions for our country…. but hey!…. young people coming through see it as “our planet” rather than “our country”

http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0011/2385074/mnr-20100824-0842-More_than_800-million_dollars_worth_of_property_on_display-m048.asx
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November 6, 2014 8:22am
Griff

@ Peter
seems like it.
There are no longer any comments or debate on what was frog blog.
I guess having potential voters exposed to the dingbat thinking of many green supporters was judged to be to loony fringe for the electorates consumption.
https://home.greens.org.nz/node/34225
If you click on “read more comments” at the bottom you get returned to the home page.
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November 6, 2014 8:25am
hj

Keeping Stock says:

Peters will be pleased his underlings carry on his racist rhetoric…

John Carran, 2 April 1996

Vehement opposition to immigration, particularly from Asian countries, in New Zealand from an ill-informed and xenophobic rabble persists despite overwhelming evidence that immigration will improve our long term economic prospects.
In 1988 The Institute of Policy Studies published detailed research by Jacques Poot, Ganesh Nana and Bryan Philpott on the effects of migration on the New Zealand economy. The research, which abstracted from the social and environmental impact of immigration, concluded that “…a significant migration inflow can be beneficial to the performance of the New Zealand economy and subsequent consumption and income levels.” The authors point out that this is in general agreement with Australian research on the economic consequences of immigration.
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Of course there is more to life than attaining economic excellence. The social and environmental impact of immigration also needs to be considered. But here the reasons given for restricting immigration range from pathetic to extremely dodgy. Most of the accusations are barely disguised racist piffle backed by tenuous rumours and cloudy anecdotes. Winston Peters’ stirring of the masses has exposed the ignorance and racial biases of a small and distasteful section of New Zealand society. These people yearn for a cloistered, inhibited, white (with a bit of brown at the edges) dominated utopia fondly envisaged by racists and xenophobes everywhere.

http://www.gmi.co.nz/news/1021/opposition-to-immigration-why-let-the-arguments-get-in-the-way.aspx
Savings Working Group
January 2011

The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf
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November 6, 2014 8:29am
EAD

Another day, yet more liberties attacked by the so called party of responsibility and liberty. Key wants to ban individuals from buying fireworks: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10704884/MPs-hear-more-on-fireworks-sale-ban and wants to ramp up the security apparatus to protect us from people who he and his fellow political elites bought into the country in the first place: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10707403/Key-lights-a-fuse-that-may-fire-up-terror

I just cannot believe that people can’t see what is being done to this country. In all the insignificant areas such as smoko breaks or full vs. part public ownership of Air NZ, the two parties are far apart, and they continue to grow further apart. But who the f**k cares? No matter which one is in charge, the government grows in size and scope, its power becomes more concentrated and the individual continues to lose their ancient liberties. Anyone with eyeballs and a brain can see and understand that’s what actually matters.

Have the Nats made us more or less free? Have they increased or decreased the power and size of the government? Have they got more or less involved in our own private affairs? And please don’t say “Key is being practical” or “politics is the art of the possible”. That’s a bulls**t excuse for people who can’t fess up to the fact that they fucked up by voting for a Statist simply because he had the right letter (N) in parentheses after his name. I’ll state it loud and clear: I voted for John Key the first time. But did I do it the second or the third? Not a chance in hell. I learned from my mistake, which is more than some folks have done.

Now does that mean I think you should run out and tick the box for some douchebag with a (L) after his name? Hell no.

The New Zealand political system is broken, utterly broken but what saddens me is so few people care or understand just where the destination of the statism path leads.
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November 6, 2014 8:29am
big bruv

The NZ national rugby team and self proclaimed “worlds greatest sporting team of all time” put on a different shirt and the NZ media seem to think that this is important.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/10707739/Unveiled-New-All-Blacks-jersey-blackest-ever

I wonder if Toby Robson has wet dreams about the NZ team such is the gushing way her reports this pathetic attempt to create publicity.
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November 6, 2014 8:30am
Keeping Stock

@ big bruv – your anti-All Black hatred is getting out of control. I have NEVER seen anyone from within the All Blacks refer to them as the “worlds greatest sporting team of all time”. That sort of label is generally reserved for use by sponsors and broadcasters, who have an obvious profit motive.
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November 6, 2014 8:38am
big bruv

Sad comments from the English rugby coach.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/10704478/Englands-haka-message-Watch-it-respect-it

By far the most embarrassing comment in that story is being reminded of Graham Henry’s worst moment as an Rugby coach. “The haka isn’t appreciated in all corners of the rugby circuit and former All Blacks coach Graham Henry once delivered a stinging, and memorable, sermon in reply to Wallabies counterpart John Connolly after he had questioned its role in the game.”

John Connolly has every right to question the rain dances place in the game. Once again we see the sickening arrogance of NZ rugby fans.

I only hope that England hammer the NZ team at the weekend. I also hope that the English fans sing loud and long during the Rain dance, it should not be shown any respect at all.
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November 6, 2014 8:38am
Yvette

Auckland tolls

The budget committee yesterday decided to investigate the costs and practicalities of an Auckland-wide referendum on motorway tolls or higher petrol prices to plug a $12 billion transport funding gap.

1] How far can proposals on tolling Auckland’s motorways go without permission from central Government to toll national highways?

2] Where is a referendum to ask Aucklanders if they want / or would use Pants Down Len Brown’s Memorial Train Set or not.

3] What rates increase, petrol levy or tolls are required if The Pants Down Len Brown’s Memorial Train Set is dumped?
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November 6, 2014 8:38am
hj

Denis O’Rourke’s speech in yesterday’s General Debate was simply awful
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I bet National (labour/Green) just hated hearing all that.
Of course it didn’t make the news did it!
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November 6, 2014 8:40am
flipper

I feel for Nos-NZ and his fellow super-city sufferers.
The 3.5% annual rate increase they now face over the next 10 years amounts to an increase of 41.1%.

That is 41.1% – not 3.5% or 35%.

Someone familiar with the size of the rates theft in Auckland will be able to do the math, but it seems to me that 41.1% is nothing less than grand larceny.

Now pennyloopy, that is corruption.
But of course you concern yourself only with outlandish claims. Your unpaid rates WILL be paid, albeit by the sale of your property. Tough shit, loopy Len lover.
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November 6, 2014 8:41am
EAD

@ hj,

I often ignore what you say as you only focus on one issue but everyone in this country should listen to that speech by Denis O’Rourke. It is probably the most honest and truthful speech I’ve ever heard from a sitting Member of Parliament.

It, along with the continual removal of our civil liberties under dishonest pretexts, are the ONLY 2 real issues of importance in this country but they are never discussed honestly.

Can anyone imagine that point of view being shown uninterrupted on our MSM “news” channels?

Well done that man.
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November 6, 2014 8:44am
Griff

Yip EAD you voted for the conservatives . The socialist party with no more asset sales as its major policy plank.
Even more big government anti liberty than National.
If you really had a clue you would have voted for ACT.
The only party in New Zealand that does have a comprehensive costed range of policy’s directed towards smaller government and liberty.

Yvette
Asking if you support a train set always gets a huge uptick from those who want others to use public transport and leave the roads clear for them.
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November 6, 2014 8:45am
G152

Pitiful Peters had to repeat some of his rant when Key complained that he mumbled…
Good tactic
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November 6, 2014 8:45am
waikatogirl

BB, I like the new AB very black shirts, with silver print. The broad chests underneath enhance the look too!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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November 6, 2014 8:55am
dime

Keeping Stock – the all blacks had it as a mantra on their private meeting room wall.

longknives and bruv decided it was just the worst thing ever, beyond arrogant etc

hope they never go to a sales training conference! where people get pins that say “no 1” and the like.
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November 6, 2014 8:55am
kowtow

The continuing growth of the power of the state and coercion over inividual conscience,in the name of something indisputably good of course,in this case ,equality.

The irony,in this case, is that so called same sex marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11211789/Christian-bakery-ordered-to-recant-over-Bert-and-Ernie-gay-marriage-cake-or-face-court.html
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November 6, 2014 8:57am
dime

HJ – ya love that eh?

Dime was in HK a couple of weeks ago. Had a big lunch with some locals. They were telling me how expensive property is up there. 40 sq/m apartments going for 700k US etc

I told them to come on down! no cap gains! they can borrow at 1%, rent will cover the mortgage. told em to bring their friends 😀

Dime has been in his chinese built mansion for over 2 years now. its still like brand new. not one single problem. it came with all the toys and was 10% bigger than the kiwi built homes at the same price. glorious.

I think the builder was last seen boarding a 777 bound for shanghai, $100 notes falling out of every pocked and a napsack full of cash. laughing his ass off.
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November 6, 2014 8:58am
mandk

@ waikatogirl
all black All Black boots would complete the look, don’t you think?.
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November 6, 2014 9:03am
kowtow

dime

Have you seen this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11206596/Dollar-smashes-through-resistance-as-mega-rally-gathers-pace.html
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November 6, 2014 9:04am
hj

EAD (1,159 comments) says:
I often ignore what you say as you only focus on one issue
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but the immigration issue is a symptom of a minority usurping the rights of a large section of the population.
It is obvious that to one sector of the economy immigration is bread and butter. On the other hand, however, you have a liberal elite who filter discussion, but these are the well off left (Russell Brown, Spoonley, Brian Edwards etc) all claiming to represent “labour”

IN AUCKLAN D’S LONG Bay Park, Paul Spoonley notices a large man aggressively confronting a park ranger. As we drive past, the man picks up and throws the ranger’s bike.
“Just stop over here,” says Spoonley. He opens his door and half gets out of the car.
The man sees Spoonley looking and approaches him, yelling as he walks: “You alright mate? You all good? You all good buddy?”
“You OK?” asks Spoonley calmly.
“Yeah. He just won’t f***ing leave me alone, eh?”
The man notices me: “You all good?” he says, crouching down, peering through the window.
“Yes,” I say.
“Yeah, well he won’t leave me alone. This is my car here. He won’t leave me alone. I’m telling him to leave me alone.”
Things are tense, uncomfortable, possibly dangerous.
“Okay,” Spoonley says, closing his door gently, “let’s get out of here.”
The man bangs on the window three or four times: “You all good?” he yells again. “You all good?”

tyres screech

A little further up the road, Spoonley asks me to stop so he can tell the other park rangers about the man.
“Sorry about doing that to you,” he says later. “I worked in a freezingworks for five years and I was a slaughterman. I worked in a gang of seven, and five of them were Mongrel Mob members. I am very much a middle—class Pakeha but those sorts of guys, I spent a lot of myyounger life with.
“We cannot afford to socially and economically exclude these communities,” he says. “That sort of public anger, the ‘What are you looking at?’ sort of thing. There are social costs to exclusion.”

He must have had a student job as it isn’t on his CV.
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November 6, 2014 9:07am
waikatogirl

@ waikatogirl
all black All Black boots would complete the look, don’t you think?.
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Their boots are the last thing I notice 😉

Sorry, hit the abuse button by mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙁
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November 6, 2014 9:15am
dime

kowtow – why would you depress me like that? heh

interesting times ahead. 60% of my fx is locked in for the next 12 months.. average just over 80 cents.. was hoping we would hit 80 again a couple of weeks ago, aint gonna happen. may have to bite the bullet an lock more in at 75-77. ouch.
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November 6, 2014 9:16am
EAD

@ kowtow

I read that article by Ambrose Evans Pritchards and is a load of absolute bullshit. It is amazing the disconnect between the author and the commentators (Telegraph along with Zerohedge commentators are the most savvy in the world IMHO when it comes to Finance ) below who call him out on his bullshit: Look at the top rated comments:

“There’s no roaring economy here, it’s just a sham to hide Fed monetary manipulations. The world is floating on fiat paper debt, it’s a dangerous position to be in, and no one is “recovering” anywhere, unfortunately”

“This is great news for the Dollar, and ultimately for the world at large.
What this signals is the desperation being shown by the USA to retain Dollar Dominance of the world. They have thrown everything into this, including the kitchen sink.
This is a “Do or Die” moment for them.
They have rigged everything in their favour, dropping oil and Gold prices as they go.
In the End, this will all unravel for them. Their Debt will catch up with them, and it will destroy them.
I’m buying Gold and am ditching all my Dollars, while the going is good”

I comment on the Telegraph as TDW – TruthDestroys Worlds:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11206596/Dollar-smashes-through-resistance-as-mega-rally-gathers-pace.html#comment-1674729254
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November 6, 2014 9:16am
kowtow

EAD

I agree the emperor has no clothes ,but in the mean time the circus goes on.

Dime; kowtow is bettng on a bit lower than 75. He’s hoping this is the end of the current cycle (been very cruel these last few years) and can make a quick buck ,well actually a bit more than a buck.
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November 6, 2014 9:23am
Peter

@Griff. Indeed.

Might be temporary of course, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s gone.

There are no longer any comments or debate on what was frog blog.I guess having potential voters exposed to the dingbat thinking of many green supporters was judged to be to loony fringe for the electorates consumption.

Also, open debate isn’t really their thing. They seem to prefer releasing edicts from on high and having them affirmed. Eventually, the site was left with a tiny handful of supporters agreeing with themselves.
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November 6, 2014 9:23am
hj

dime (9,999 comments) says:

I told them to come on down! no cap gains! they can borrow at 1%, rent will cover the mortgage. told em to bring their friends 😀

Dime has been in his chinese built mansion for over 2 years now. its still like brand new. not one single problem. it came with all the toys and was 10% bigger than the kiwi built homes at the same price. glorious.

I think the builder was last seen boarding a 777 bound for shanghai, $100 notes falling out of every pocked and a napsack full of cash. laughing his ass off.

Was there any discussion about planning rules keeping house prices up?
Thought not!
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November 6, 2014 9:26am
waikatogirl

I may have missed it but what happened with John Banks court appeal. Is the decision still to be announced??
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November 6, 2014 9:35am
dime

hj – yeah. at a business lunch in hk with locals, we discussed aucklands planning laws. it was riveting stuff.
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November 6, 2014 9:42am
doggone7

big bruv

There certainly is an arrogance in New Zealand rugby. Fancy the bloody colonials having the arrogance to beat the English so often! The record I believe is about 80% – 20% in favour of those arrogant ones.
If it were a contest of arrogance however I reckon the English rugby lot would have that rate totally reversed!
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November 6, 2014 9:42am
Keeping Stock

Congratulations on making the 10,000 Club dime 😀
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November 6, 2014 9:47am
Tarquin North

I read an article about climate change by Dita De Boni in the Horrid this morning. Why is it that lefties are so vitriolic about anyone who disagrees with them? And why do they take everything the U.N says as gospel? This is the same U.N who seem to think child poverty is worse here than your average third world hell hole. They must use the same abacus as a used car dealer at trade in time to come up with their figures, but that doesn’t deter corageous young Dita from coming up with a conspiracy theory that blames the government for everything. i wonder how much her husband and his boss coach this poor deluded woman?
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November 6, 2014 9:50am
cas

After listening to Meteria in reply to John Key’s security statement yesterday I thought of a new job for her. Peace envoy to Isis.
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November 6, 2014 9:51am
wikiriwhis business

If you really do know the state of US finances you know this is coming. Financial analysts world wide are claiming this

The Coming Stock Market Crash and The Death of Money with Jim Rickards

All loans, including the national debt loans our legislators forced us to co-sign, come complete with terms, conditions and with pledges of collateral to be confiscated when the loan defaults. The Zionist plutocrats are engendering a fall of America, similar to Jacobin France or Weimar Germany, so that they can confiscate the collateral, such as the rights to sell carbon credits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBia1Mw9Vw&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
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November 6, 2014 9:52am
Tauhei Notts

Dennis O’Rourke’s speech has been roundly criticised. Actually I think he has a couple of good points.
We need skilled migrants. End of story. Liquor store proprietors, taxi drivers, petrol station attendants, convenience store operators and takeaway food operators are NOT skilled migrants. Some will spuriously argue that they are skilled but skills are what are recognised in New Zealand, not what some bogus university in Burkina Faso or wherever hands out.
Spare a thought for the young New Zealanders; those without a big intelligence; their wages are being forced down as there is now an army of unskilled people willing to do the job for a miserable rate of pay. Employers will argue that they cannot get New Zealanders to get out of bed to go work. That’s right. And New Zealanders will continue to stay in bed while the wages offered are so pathetic.
But those wages for the unskilled will not rise to meet the requirements of New Zealand born and bred citizens, when there is an army of unskilled migrants queuing up to take that miserably paid job.
Possibly I spend more time with the not so bright, as compared with the erudite contributors to this blog. I have discovered the angst within that lesser class of New Zealanders.
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November 6, 2014 9:53am
Gulag1917

Celebrated filmmaker Gil Scrine’s highly revealing 1982 documentary on the sacking of Gough Whitlam. The film examines the establishment of Pine Gap and the Governor General’s decision to sack Whitlam based on a variety of advice -not least from sources at the CIA.
http://www.smh.com.au/tv/Politics/Home-On-The-Range-5000641.html
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November 6, 2014 9:54am
wikiriwhis business

“at a business lunch in hk with locals, we discussed aucklands planning laws.”

These will be the people in the Auckland club. Very wealthy individual corporates who steer the direction of Auckland. Len Brown’s puppet masters
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November 6, 2014 9:56am
wikiriwhis business

“Possibly I spend more time with the not so bright, as compared with the erudite contributors to this blog. I have discovered the angst within that lesser class of New Zealanders.”

You’re a good man Tauhi Notts
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November 6, 2014 9:57am
Keeping Stock

cas said

After listening to Meteria in reply to John Key’s security statement yesterday I thought of a new job for her. Peace envoy to Isis.

Well said cas. Ms Turei and her fellow Green Party list MP’s seem to believe that all these issues can be resolved by meaningful, non-threatening dialogue over a cup of herbal tea. I daresay the families of those who have been so publicly beheaded by ISIS extremists might have a different view on that.
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November 6, 2014 10:00am
wikiriwhis business

#MillionMaskMarch

Huge protest against austerity in London as police can only watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9saJi_Qt77k
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November 6, 2014 10:03am
iMP

Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear. the Obama Live Press Conference going on now. Embarrassing. CHANGE and HOPE.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/live-obama-press-conference/
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November 6, 2014 10:04am
wikiriwhis business

UK media quiet on ‘Million Mask March’ (09Nov13)

Sara Firth reports on when she was reporting on the “Million Mask March” on RT, and the silence the UK’s Main Stream Media (MSM) had on the event until it got a little footnote in some news the next day. It’#s as if the Conservatives are shit scared of the consequences of their economic destruction, along with Labour, and have ordered the MSM to report nothing.

Recorded from RT HD, Going Underground, 09 November 2013,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM9gFpUptSs
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November 6, 2014 10:08am
wat dabney

wikiriwhis,

‘All loans, including the national debt loans our legislators forced us to co-sign, come complete with terms, conditions and with pledges of collateral to be confiscated when the loan defaults. ‘

No, they don’t.

‘The Zionist plutocrats are engendering a fall of America, similar to Jacobin France or Weimar Germany, so that they can confiscate the collateral, such as the rights to sell carbon credits. ‘

Absolutely nothing in that sentence makes any sense whatsoever.
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November 6, 2014 10:12am
Harriet

“….Spare a thought for the young New Zealanders; those without a big intelligence; their wages are being forced down as there is now an army of unskilled people willing to do the job for a miserable rate of pay…..kiwis don’t want to get out of bed…..”

Spot on. And I might add:

The lessor educated are mostly under-employed as bosses now prefer more staff working part time than relying on fewer staff working longer hours. So most young staff can’t get more than 40hrs – with two jobs!

I left school at 16 and worked 60-70 hrs a week at one job on penalty rates. That kept me off the streets and banking lots of money. Today young people can’t get hours anywhere near that on minimum pay — and without being paid penalty rates!!!

John Key thinks it’s better that everyone work few hours and get a top up in pay from the taxpayer or excused from paying tax altogether. And then Key wonders why people talk about ‘poverty’ ‘houseing unaffordability’ ect.
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November 6, 2014 10:17am
wat dabney

Tauhei Notts,

‘Possibly I spend more time with the not so bright, as compared with the erudite contributors to this blog. ‘

Unless they are clinically retarded, which will be miniscule percentage, then they are all quite capable of working and aquiring skills and experience which will allow them to earn enough to support themselves and their families.
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November 6, 2014 10:20am
EAD

@ Tahuei Notts,

Beautifully put sir. One of New Zealand’s greatest aspects has always been it’s equality (and I use that term as a right winger). Low skilled workers up until recently have been able to live a reasonable quality of life if not glamorous.

With all the inflation the Clark/Key governments have unleashed (especially the cost.of shelter) and their flooding of the low end of the Labour market with immigrants has caused serious wage deflation whereby people can no longer live off a low wage. As a result they introduced “working for families” whose cost further adds to inflation as we have to borrow to fund it.

The sad thing it is those who they profess to help (maoris, islanders) are hurt the most as they can’t raise their families on the decreased wages. From being a proud bread winner, many take the dole as the government has made it the only rational choice.

I hate what these b*s*a*ds are doing to our country and her people. They are turning us into serfs, the middle class slaving over mortgages to Australian banks while our working class get thrown on the scrap heap.
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November 6, 2014 10:24am
waikatogirl

The lessor educated are mostly under-employed as bosses now prefer more staff working part time than relying on fewer staff working longer hours. So most young staff can’t get more than 40hrs – with two jobs!
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Maybe the bosses are covering with more staff doing limited hours, instead of relying on employing less people who don’t appear to have the capability or rather the personal drive to put the effort in?

We employ people at a great rate of pay and still have Trouble finding self-motivated, driven individuals willing to do the hard yards, even with an extra pay incentive for good output!

We have almost given up employing anyone under 45 as the older ones still know how to do a full days work!
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November 6, 2014 10:32am
wreck1080

This story really gets my goat and is a classic example of the weak justice system in NZ, which rewards criminals for their actions (through not punishing)…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10709332/Auckland-boys-computer-theft-leaves-him-distraught

These two 17 year olds have seriously harmed their victims life.

The extreme bullying is similar to torture in my view.

So, what punishment do that get for this?

“Two 17-year-old boys have been issued formal warnings in relation to a vandalism incident last month. They have been served trespass notices banning them from the property.”

None. They get the enjoyment of tormenting another person with no repercussion!!

The bullies need to be jailed for a short period. Then, a longer period if they reoffend.

More details needed, ie, what the school did to stop this. Schools play lip service to bullying but have no power to stop it.
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November 6, 2014 10:32am
IGM

Stuff giving headlines to yet another sexual pervert flaunting his deviancy on their front page. Disgusting filth!
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November 6, 2014 10:34am
Harriet

“…..We employ people at a great rate of pay and still have Trouble finding self-motivated, driven individuals willing to do the hard yards, even with an extra pay incentive for good output!….”

I understand that businesses shouldn’t rely on one or two staff – but having Mcdonalds or supermarkets ect open for 14hrs a day should enable ‘some staff’ to work those hours 5 or 6 days if they wish. It’s not dangerous. Instead young staff get asked to ‘stay on’ when needed – after having been rostered for just 4hrs – making it difficult for them to get a second job.
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November 6, 2014 10:41am
waikatogirl

“Two 17-year-old boys have been issued formal warnings in relation to a vandalism incident last month. They have been served trespass notices banning them from the property.”

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Wreck1080, that is tragic for the victim. You are correct that the bullies need some serious censequences for their sick entertainment.

The victim will hopefully go on to lead an amazing life full of everything he wishes and deserves, while the 2 dumb arse bullies will end up in prison and one day envy the now victim for his achievements, money and lifestyle!! Good luck to him
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November 6, 2014 10:45am
Viking2

You reap what you sow. So we dished our young men and refused to allow employers to take a reasonable approach with wages to young people and now you are all whining. It was inevitable of course that this would occur.

The irony is that currently it would be easier for our company to employ 6 lawyers than it is for us to find a good general engineer or ladies who can use a sewing machine properly.

And who would those people have been. Well young people who should have gone to work instead of arse siting, having babies we paid for or went to uni to learn a useless lot of social crap.

15 or more years we have had youth rates removed. No apprentices of worth, plenty of the same young people filling polytech to be taught by the useless who couldn’t make it in the trade.

No assistance at all for employers to train these people when it was most needed.
Key was making noises before the election about fixing the youth rates but of course now our flag and going to war seems to have taken his attention away from the important things for Kiwi’s.
Fuck I hate pollies that think they can change the world and forget about us ordinary folks.

Tradies our time is now. Charge Lawyers rates for your time. there ain’t no one else to do it so pay they must.
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November 6, 2014 10:49am
waikatogirl

Harriet
I understand that businesses shouldn’t rely on one or two staff – but having Mcdonalds or supermarkets ect open for 14hrs a day should enable ‘some staff’ to work those hours 5 or 6 days if they wish. It’s not dangerous. Instead young staff get asked to ‘stay on’ when needed – after having been rostered for just 4hrs – making it difficult for them to get a second job.

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In the context of fast food, etc employees I agree with you. It is easy to increase the hours of those who show initiative and have a good work ethic. The less inclined are then kept at the original short hours. Hopefully the penny drops at some point that it takes work to succeed…
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November 6, 2014 10:52am
waikatogirl

Viking2
Says…15 or more years we have had youth rates removed. No apprentices of worth, plenty of the useless filling polytech to be taught by the useless who couldn’t make it in the trade.

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When Hulen used to go on about raising an educated workforce, I always questioned who would be there to dig our drains, work in kitchens and all the other manual work required by society if everyone was attending tertiary institutions. This generation has been raised expecting high pay in sexy industries, to design computer games, or become famous overnight. No wonder actual hard work is an enigma to many.
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November 6, 2014 11:04am
dime

“Congratulations on making the 10,000 Club dime :D”

ah crap! i wasted it on a snarky comment haha
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November 6, 2014 11:22am
Random Punter

Dime, KS

Having posted about sixty comments in three years, I reckon I should reach 10,000 in about 497 years time. I look forward to joining you in the club then.
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November 6, 2014 11:37am
itstricky

Ms Turei and her fellow Green Party list MP’s seem to believe that all these issues can be resolved by meaningful, non-threatening dialogue over a cup of herbal tea. I daresay the families of those who have been so publicly beheaded by ISIS extremists might have a different view on that.

Although, obviously, just going out there and “blowing them to smitherens” is probably not the best approach either, given that’s how they arose and how they will continue to recycle if it’s just kept up.

You’re a religious man, aren’t you KS? Doesn’t The Bible have some sort of famous chapter & verse? Something about “begetting” something?
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November 6, 2014 11:50am
kowtow

Camoron really is a shallow clown.And by “Asian” he means a Muslim pakistani. Roll on the GE for this fool to have his arse served up on a plate by the UKIP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11212217/I-want-to-see-a-British-Asian-Prime-Minister-says-David-Cameron.html
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November 6, 2014 11:59am
Lance

@itstricky
No, ISIS arose because the West removed the Dictators who took no shit from extremists. Eliminating them without delay when necessary. These arseholes were always there, it’s just that they kept getting stomped on.
In the power vacuum the scum have resurfaced without someone to take them out, until recently, when the “oh shit” moment dawned on the architects of the present Middle East situation.
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November 6, 2014 12:03pm
Lucia Maria

New EU immigrants ‘benefit UK economy’ says report

Net contribution of immigrants from Poland and other new EU members to Britain amounted to £5 billion, finds a new report by the University of London.

The report, released on 5 November, by the university’s Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration finds that contributions from taxes paid by Polish and other workers from the 10 nations who joined the EU in 2004 to 2011 far outweighed welfare and other benefits some have taken.

The report comes as immigration to the UK continues to become one of the main political issues in the country, with Prime Minister David Cameron promising to re-negotiate Britain’s EU membership and then hold an ‘in/out’ referendum, should he win next year’s general election.

The University of London report also finds that the new immigrants are better educated than the average Brit, with 25 percent of Poles and others working in the UK having a university degree.

With all the negative press recently about immigration, especially Muslim immigration, this just goes to show that it can be positive for a country as well. Quite often we can just focus on the bad and not see the good.
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November 6, 2014 12:09pm
hj

Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school

alternative headline

Assertion of collective hapu authority (Te Wakaputanga ) “could be a guide to a new constitutional approach for the future” says Green MP Delahunty

alternative headline

Green MP says Maori should have more power in constitution
https://home.greens.org.nz/node/34211

Did Brownlie lie?

Alternative headline

Maori own oil off East Coast says Green MP Clendon

and so it goes
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November 6, 2014 12:12pm
Viking2

Random Punter (74 comments) says:
November 6th, 2014 at 11:37 am

Dime, KS

Having posted about sixty comments in three years, I reckon I should reach 10,000 in about 497 years time. I look forward to joining you in the club then.
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Well dime will be with the ~~angels~~ Devil by then along with the rest of us. He will be enjoying the 72 Virgins and various wenches of ill repute.
You have something to look forward to in your hour of demise.
😆
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November 6, 2014 12:22pm
hj

It was critically important for New Zealand to plan now before it was too late, Dr Bedford said.

These countries had no means to meet their growing population due to their small size, limited resource and poor infrastructure.
http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2011/07/nz-must-plan-for-future-before-pacific-overpopulation-gets-out-of-hand/

Send NZ doctors and pay for vasectomies fast?
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November 6, 2014 12:23pm
Lance

@V2
Wouldn’t dime have to become a irrational homicidal maniac for the 72 virgins prize?

There are things we don’t know about dime but that seems a little bit of stretch.
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November 6, 2014 12:26pm
hj

Lucia Maria (2,502 comments) says:
With all the negative press recently about immigration, especially Muslim immigration, this just goes to show that it can be positive for a country as well. Quite often we can just focus on the bad and not see the good.
…….
It shows that you can add up costs and benefits and reach the conclusion that suits your purpose.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/395
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November 6, 2014 12:27pm
hj

wat dabney (3,796 comments) says:
November 6th, 2014 at 10:20 am

Unless they are clinically retarded, which will be miniscule percentage, then they are all quite capable of working and aquiring skills and experience which will allow them to earn enough to support themselves and their families.
……………
Unless resources are scarce (although that aspect isn’t in your lexicon).
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November 6, 2014 12:34pm
waikatogirl

What is it with the spokesmen for the Pike River families continually stating that “ultimately it is John Key’s decision whether Solid Energy should access the mine”?

Have I got it wrong that the PM CAN’T breach Health and Safety laws?! The PM is not an expert on coal mine safety.
Surely it is up to mine safety experts whether they send in a recovery team, not an economist, even if he is the PM.
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November 6, 2014 12:34pm
Viking2

So, now I suppose we will have to listen to Monk and co whine about the mine.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/62966511/Solid-Energy-won-t-re-enter-Pike-River-mine

As predicted they have started.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/62968549/Pike-River-Solid-Energy-Q-A
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November 6, 2014 12:41pm
G152

Watched the debacle that is Parliament yesterday and saw one of Liebors gender trying to get something passed.
In the meantime she was insulting members of the majority party who may well have, had she been more conciliatory, actually helped.

And whats that ad .. “It’s not beer”
Of course not!
Its bloody water..
Are the advertising agencies getting down to the IQ levels of the MSM ?
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November 6, 2014 12:44pm
wikiriwhis business

Update: Why did Netanyahu respond to chickenshit with ‘grassy knoll’ remark? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/netanyahus-respond-chickenshit#sthash.vaQVnFWc.dpuf

Netanyahu responded to Obama with Grassy Knoll remark !!
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November 6, 2014 12:52pm
itstricky

No, ISIS arose because the West removed the Dictators who took no shit from extremists.

Well yes, probably partially true.

But they are extremists. Threatening to kill, and then doing so does squat all except give their successors and splinter/offshoot organisations very good examples to current recruits of why *they* are fighting the “holy” war against the infidels. Smart, modern targeting could all but kill them off without actually killing them off, so to speak.
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November 6, 2014 12:52pm
wikiriwhis business

“As predicted they have started.”

Even more predictable, the bodies won’t be retrieved for the companies.

But the Wall St banker gave Rio Tinto millions.

Treasonous at the very least.

This govt falls short of calling ISIS supporters in this country treasonous because the National Socialists are nothing but the same.
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November 6, 2014 12:56pm
big bruv

At last, a scribe who is brave enough to point out the blindingly obvious about the NZ rugby union and its arrogance over the pre match rain dance.

“”Increasingly, the ritual is drifting from any kind of sporting relevance, becoming instead a theatrically-rendered cultural curiosity,” Brown wrote in his latest piece in The Telegraph.

“It will trigger the usual paroxysms of excitement at Twickenham on Saturday [Sunday NZ time] – and it is, I confess, sterling entertainment – but we are suckers for the choreography rather than the message it sends.

“One might argue that the acrobats of Cirque du Soleil could induce much the same reaction, just without the contorted faces.

“I realise that every Maori curse in the book will be arrayed against me for the cheek of that comparison.”

Brown lamented that opposition teams weren’t given “the right to reply”, noting outrage in the reaction of English hooker Richard Cockerill’s personal challenge to his All Blacks opposite Norm Hewitt in Manchester in 1997.

“It stands alone in sport as a unilateral statement of intent, to which no challenge is permissible.”

Brown accused rugby’s top administrators the IRB of entering into the “political correctness” by having supposed protocols decreeing that the All Blacks’ adversaries should not encroach within 10 metres of the haka.

“It all adds to the suspicion that the haka is, for all its vibrancy as a spectacle, scarcely more than a circus display these days. For England’s players on Saturday, the temptation must be to follow the example of Australian great David Campese, who would absent-mindedly kick a ball around in his own 22 while the haka blew itself out.

“Its sheer stage-management is of a piece with the creeping commercialisation of the All Blacks.”

It is also worth noting that this is the same journalist, Oliver Brown (a man who can actually lay claim to being a real journalst as apposed to the sycophantic lick spittle’s NZ produces) who exposed the NZ team and the NZ rugby unions supreme arrogance in calling themselves the “worlds greatest ever sporting team”
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November 6, 2014 12:56pm
wikiriwhis business

“Surely it is up to mine safety experts whether they send in a recovery team, not an economist, even if he is the PM.”

so where has OSH been ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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November 6, 2014 12:57pm
wikiriwhis business

“Brown lamented that opposition teams weren’t given “the right to reply”

Well that’s construed. Polynesian teams have Haka they are allowed to respond with.

European teams simply have nothing cultural to respond with.

Simple as that.
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November 6, 2014 12:59pm
wikiriwhis business

More scare mongering by the government to get people to give up what little freedom they have. What next, having to apply for a travel permit to travel from one town to the other because there might be terrorists traveling the country side looking for things to blow up?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/10707352/Hamilton-reviews-terror-risk?cid=edm%3Astuff%3Adailyheadlines
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November 6, 2014 1:03pm
big bruv

The full, brilliant article by Oliver Brown.

“To grasp the anomalousness of the haka, it helps to transplant it beyond a rugby context. Take the United States basketball team’s recent World Cup match against New Zealand, the wonderfully-named ‘Tall Blacks’. The expression on the faces of Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving et al as the ancient tribal dance unfolded in front of them spoke not of quavering fear, or steely let’s-see-what-you’ve got defiance, but utter befuddlement. They could not have looked any more perplexed than if they had just been treated to an a cappella rendition of ‘Yankee Doodle’ by Dame Kiri Te Kanawa.

The blank response was not quite what the Kiwis had in mind. For if nothing else the haka is orchestrated to stoke fear in the breast of an opponent, thus eking out a priceless early psychological advantage. It is meant, as the throat-slitting gesture sometimes used as a final flourish makes abundantly clear, to be a declaration of war. But if all it elicits in the uninitiated is blank incredulity, then what is the point? Increasingly, the ritual is drifting from any kind of sporting relevance, becoming instead a theatrically-rendered cultural curiosity. It will trigger the usual paroxysms of excitement at Twickenham on Saturday – and it is, I confess, sterling entertainment – but we are suckers for the choreography rather than the message it sends. One might argue that the acrobats of Cirque du Soleil could induce much the same reaction, just without the contorted faces.

I realise that every Maori curse in the book will be arrayed against me for the cheek of that comparison. For the All Blacks regard their beloved haka with the utmost reverence, as a sacrosanct ancestral performance, rousing the players into a frenzy for the realities of impending conflict. Given it has been included in every New Zealand rugby international since 1888, they reserve their right to stage it with uncommon ferocity. But when 15 savage men in black are threatening to cut your throat – and this is certainly how the ‘Kapa o Pango’ haka appears, regardless of composer Derek Lardelli’s insistence that the offending motion is a Maori symbol of drawing energy into the body – it ought also to come with the right to reply.

The trouble is that whenever the opposing team invokes this, it leads to the most frightful diplomatic mess. At the women’s World Cup in 2010, the Australians dared to advance on the haka by a few half-hearted steps and were promptly fined £1,000 by the International Rugby Board. Granted, Richard Cockerill looked like an idiot when he went nose-to-nose with Norm Hewitt at Old Trafford in 1997, but he resented, understandably, the notion that he should just stand there like a lemon while a presumptuous Kiwi signalled the desire to tear him limb from limb.

Taking a righteous stand never works, though, where the haka is concerned. The Welsh Rugby Union tried it in 2006, demanding that the All Blacks ensured the dance was all over and done with by the time Land of My Fathers was heard. This, after all, is how it is supposed to be: the visitors deferring to the hosts, accepting that the Welsh have the prerogative to put their own anthem on last. Instead New Zealand, with that strange air of entitlement, threw a spectacular fit of pique, refusing to conduct the haka on the field and agreeing only to release a video of them doing so in the dressing room. A sense built that the haka was, when all the earnestness about its symbolism was stripped away, merely a form of arrogant machismo.

For it stands alone in sport as a unilateral statement of intent, to which no challenge is permissible. Again the All Blacks complained loudly when the Welsh decided, in 2008, that the best riposte to the haka was to stand motionless and stare. This, too, was depicted as a grotesque insult to their heritage. All of which begs the question: what exactly is the right way to react to such a provocative call to arms? Brian O’Driscoll ventured this very point when he was made Lions captain in New Zealand in 2005, and was told gravely by Maori elders that his best course of action was to toss a few blades of grass in the air. Well, that did him the power of good. Fifteen minutes later he had his shoulder dislocated in an illegal spear tackle and was ruled out of the entire tour.

The haka, sadly, is hidebound by political correctness, such is the terror at executive level of offending the world’s No 1 side. The IRB are even understood to have protocols decreeing that the All Blacks’ adversaries should not encroach within 10 metres of the venerable act. It all adds to the suspicion that the haka is, for all its vibrancy as a spectacle, scarcely more than a circus display these days. For England’s players on Saturday, the temptation must be to follow the example of Australian great David Campese, who would absent-mindedly kick a ball around in his own 22 while the haka blew itself out.

Its sheer stage-management is of a piece with the creeping commercialisation of the All Blacks – what better way to beguile an American audience, or to satisfy shirt sponsors AIG at the match they mandated in Chicago last weekend, than with a mass war cry? Most would-be converts in the US, however, seem to share their basketball stars’ view. Namely, that the haka is now less a part of the sporting fabric than an exotic sideshow.”

Again Mr Brown has blown the lid off the NZ rugby teams arrogance. I have never seen a piece of rugby journalism to match this from a NZ scribe, certainly, Tony Johnston and Toby Robson (to name just two of our laughingly named rugby “journalists”) could live to be 100 and not approach anything as open, honest, or incisive as Mr Browns article.
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November 6, 2014 1:08pm
big bruv

wikiriwhis

Why does anybody have to put on a performance before the game?

Why not just run out, have the national anthems (music only so the fans can sing whatever version they want) and then start the bloody game. I fail to see why anybody should have to sit through two irrelevant rain dances when they are there to watch a game of footy.
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November 6, 2014 1:10pm
wikiriwhis business

You should only really have a criminal record if you do 5 years jail time.
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November 6, 2014 1:11pm
wikiriwhis business

Big Bruv

basically, I don’t mind seeing the comfortable middle class annoyed. They whinge about everything.
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November 6, 2014 1:13pm
wikiriwhis business

““Congratulations on making the 10,000 Club dime :D”

ah crap! i wasted it on a snarky comment haha”

lol…your own karma bit you in the butt Dime. Have a good day bud.
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November 6, 2014 1:18pm
Kea

The persistent performance of Haka is an embarrassment to our country. It portrays an arrogant, rude and self absorbed mentality.

Maybe there would be some place for it when facing a particularly challenging opponent, say the final game of the world cup.

No one of any intellect takes it seriously.
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November 6, 2014 1:25pm
wat dabney

hj,

“Unless resources are scarce ”

Resources are always scarce.

That understanding is the very foundation of economic thinking.
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November 6, 2014 1:31pm
Kea

The All Blacks are not representative of NZ. They are a commercial business that is privately owned and beholden to Addidas, a multinational German company with its products made in China.

The saturation coverage, of all things rugby, is forced on us to generate advertising revenue for the media outlets.

As a private business they are free to do as they please, silly dances included. However, they are not free to promote themselves as being representative of NZ. They represent their (German) sponsors.
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November 6, 2014 1:36pm
Rachael Membery

Glad to see things over at Whaleoil are getting to manageable levels.
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November 6, 2014 2:09pm
wikiriwhis business

Guest blog: Open Letter from a Firefighter

‘It is not in my nature to lie down and accept what is unfair and unjust. I am a Firefighter, the clue is in my title, I will fight for what I feel is right just as much as I would fight for you or your family’s life.’

Read this open letter from a Firefighter to us, the public, about why firefighters in England were on strike last weekend.

‘The current Government have decided that since the financial crisis, people like me will have to pay for it. People who are easy targets. This not only includes nurses, teachers, police, ambulance staff and other essential services, but people who rely on benefits through no fault of their own to survive. We continue to be penalised while the real crooks get away with it.’

The letter first appeared here http://bit.ly/10un8e9
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November 6, 2014 2:22pm
sbk

oh Dear…it seems the thrill is gone…it continued to travel up Chris Matthew’s leg to his butt and now is giving him the shits.

Its not over to the MSNBC anchor man sings(on Obama)…”“He misses the main point of politics which is to be a politician and to trade.”

what someone should remind him(Matthews) of is…they/he missed the main point of Journalism which is to be a journalist and to question….never kiss butt…just makes you look like a silly schoolgirl with a crush on the teacher.
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November 6, 2014 2:23pm
Shawn Herles

wikiriwhis business claims:

“The Zionist plutocrats are engendering a fall of America, similar to Jacobin France or Weimar Germany, so that they can confiscate the collateral, such as the rights to sell carbon credits. ”

Anyone else recognize this conspiracy? It’s the same one peddled by a certain Austrian who became famous in the 1930’s.

Sadly, some things never change.
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November 6, 2014 2:38pm
kowtow

Firefighter?

They used to be firemen. I suppose that’s why wiki’s is whining like a school girl.

Same with “partner” used to be a boyfriend /girlfriend,husband or wife.

A chairman is now just a piece of furniture.

But hey if you want to talk like a commie go ahead.
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November 6, 2014 2:39pm
stephieboy

Kea, do recognise that AIG Insurance are another principle All Black Sponsor as a mater of interst and nobody forces you to watch them.

Whether they are representative of NZ or not is purely a matter of opinion.,

http://www.allblacks.com/News/20789/new-global-sponsor-signs-up-to-support-nz-rugby

Now what else can you get bitter and twisted about today.?
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