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publicwatchdog

BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

13 May 2013

Press Release: Sue Henry Spokesperson, Housing Lobby:

“We cannot and will not allow the failed ‘social housing’ model to take over State Housing.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8662181/Govt-plans-to-ditch-Housing-NZ-properties

“Housing Minister Nick Smith will be setting up the private charity sector to compete against the poor if he implements the failed social housing model from countries like the UK and Canada”, says Housing Lobby Spokesperson Sue Henry.

“We must retain the State Housing system we have and central Government must be responsible for it.”

“The private charity sector (trusts included) will never provide a better service for State tenants.”

“Under the provision of housing being delivered by private charities the income-related rents would go and State tenants would be paying market rents, as the previous Housing Minister Phil Heatley acknowledged the housing subsidy would be halved. (‘The Nation 1&2 October 2011).
Tenants would effectively only be temporary visitors in ‘transit’ housing.”

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1110/S00006/the-nation-phil-heatley.htm

[“Duncan Okay, what happens if they move out of a state house?
You move them out and they get a private dwelling or a social housing somewhere else, are they eligible for income related rents.
Phil No, if they move from a state house they get income related rents which is worth about $9000 a year.

Duncan What happens if you kick them out to private dwellings?

Phil If they move to a private rental then they qualify not for income related rents which is about $8000 a year on average, they might get something like the accommodation supplement which is worth about $4000 a year.

Duncan So you’re sitting here today telling me that for those people and there will be cases, they’re gonna be worse off?

Phil No because if they’re in a state house, the amount of rent they pay depends on their income, so if their income doesn’t change when they shift from public to private…

Duncan But you’re telling me that they’re going to move to – potentially move to a private dwelling, so you can get other high needs people into that state house that they could be worse off. Can you sit here and say no one will be worse off?

Phil No, no I can’t. There’s a whole bunch of people in state houses at the moment who are being subsidised and have been there for a long time who we’re encouraging to move on.

Duncan How are they going to afford to go, because these people are already poor aren’t they?…”

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“Private charities would not be ‘transparent’ or accountable and nepotism would be rife, as proven by the following UK research” :
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CORRUPTION IN THE UK PART TWO – Transparency International …
http://www.transparency.org.uk/component/cckjseblod/?…publication…

” 4.5.1 Types of social housing corruption

The social housing sector neatly demonstrates how closely aligned fraud and corruption can be. For example, the recent BBC documentary, The Great Housing Rip Off, estimated that approximately £3.5 billion of housing benefit is directed towards landlords who house tenants in very poor accommodation. While this is a misuse of entrusted power, it is more likely to be considered a fraudulent use of housing benefit.138

The main types of corruption in the social housing sector are:

• Tenancy fraud and corruption;
• Abuse of position by social landlords;
• Collusion and corruption in procurement…..”
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“Overseas, the ‘social housing model’ has delivered wealthy, duplicated administrative bodies, severe cuts in rent subsidies and cardboard box cities and tenement slums,” continues Sue Henry.

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http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=4180

“Privatisation wave#2: demunicipalisation by any means
It was soon evident that the Right to Buy had natural limits – not least that poorer tenants would never be able to afford or access a mortgage – and although discounts would continue to rise over the decade, reaching 70% of market price,[10] the Conservatives unveiled a second privatisation wave from 1985 onwards that focused on selling council homes en masse to alternative landlords in the private and charity sectors. All manner of initiatives were tried and failed, and through resisting, tenants won the statutory right to be balloted on any privatisation proposals and be able to block them if they lacked majority support.

By the late 1980s, however, many local authorities began selling off their entire housing stocks to existing and specially formed not-for-profit companies called housing associations in response to the government’s financial straitjacket and the realisation that they would financially benefit. Housing associations – or Registered Social Landlords as they are known – were regulated and barred from floating on the stock exchange, but they were also private companies that had greater freedoms to charge market rents, evict tenants and build private housing, and had limited democratic accountability.”
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“People need to be reminded that here in New Zealand, care for the elderly devolved from private charity groups to now multinational companies, when the bulk-funding was cut.”

http://www.business.auckland.ac.nz/Portals/4/Research/General/Wokiring_Paper_07_1_.pdf

“We cannot and will not, allow this to happen to our State houses and our families.”

Sue Henry
Spokesperson
Housing Lobby

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STATEMENT BY PENNY BRIGHT, 2013 AUCKLAND MAYORAL CANDIDATE:

” MY POSITION ON ‘SOCIAL HOUSING’ IS UNCHANGED FROM 2010″:

http://waterpressure.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/response-from-auckland-mayoral-candidate-penny-bright-to-waitakere-housing-call-to-action/

“…INCREASED HOUSING PROVISION:

1) First – I believe we need to head off the proposed housing decrease through giving private sector organisations huge chunks of existing housing stock and to ban any sale of existing state housing stock.

I am opposed to ‘devolution’ of the provision of housing to ‘not-for-profit’ NGOs, as I believe it is still privatisation.

For example – care for the aged has devolved from the ‘not-for-profit’ church groups to ‘for profit’ multinational companies.

http://www.business.auckland.ac.nz/Portals/4/Research/General/Wokiring_Paper_07_1_.pdf(Pg 17)

“The CEO of Presbyterian Support noted that the charitable organisations “reluctantly” exited the market which was increasingly dominated by “large national and multinational providers” (Presbyterian Support East Coast, 2005).

2004 also saw the sale of facilities belonging to the Auckland Methodists and Hastings St John of God (Presbyterian Support East Coast, 2005).

Charitable providers seemed to find the government’s then $80 daily subsidy5 made their business unsustainable (“No budget money for providers of residential care”, 2005).

In contrast to the charitable providers, the large for-profit providers are expanding within the market.
The Macquarie Group recently purchased Eldercare NZ .”

I believe we need to retain Housing New Zealand (HNZ) as a ‘one stop shop’ entity.

Housing is a Government responsibility, and if all Council tenants came under the HNZ umbrella, they too would have more affordable rents at 25% of their net income.

(As happened when Auckland City Council pensioner housing was taken over by HNZ in 2004). …………”

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

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November 3, 2014 12:09pm
Fletch

But it is the greenhouse gas that has been modified by humans resulting in a rise in temperature

People keep talking about this so-called rise, yet the Earth’s temperature hasn’t warmed in 17 years now. It’s a FACT – probably the only data that is a FACT and that doesn’t rely on some kind of computer prediction or other misdirection. Yes, levels of CO2 have increased, but the temperature has not.

And in the past, CO2 levels have also been greater than they are now, with no harm done to the Earth.

ps, I see in the Midday News, the U.N is pushing climate change yet AGAIN. I’m sick of hearing about it. And one idea they have is that they want to ban ALL fossil fuels by 2100.
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November 3, 2014 12:11pm
David Garrett

Penny, why don’t you follow Judith in oblivion?

Read this next bit slowly and carefully..

None….of….us….are…remotely….interested….in …your…posts…
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November 3, 2014 12:11pm
stephieboy

Fletch, the Hard Right Gateway Pundit would be the last place where one would expect to find any pretense to scientific and scholarly objectivity about he Ebola virus with this absolute nonsense about Obama and the Nazification of America . Tip of the ice berg stuff in terms of hysterical l and paranoid craziness .

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/parents-furious-after-wisconsin-middle-school-plays-obama-propaganda-video-with-a-pledge-to-be-a-servant-to-my-president-video/

Much prefer to put a bet on the findiings of the US National Academy of Sciences and the Atlanta Center for disease control.

Redbaiter, ,atheist Pat Condell would be actually gobsmacked by many of your lunatic raves and rants .!
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November 3, 2014 12:12pm
Viking2

Lucia Maria (2,484 comments) says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:02 am

Kimbo

Sounds like yet another Papist Plot designed to deprive us of our historical heritage…

LOL! Considering that celebration of Guy Fawkes used to be mandatory, you could very well be correct! It’s all a plot. If Parliament does ban Guy Fawkes, it’ll prove they are all secret Catholics.

Most of them bloody well are, aren’t they?
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November 3, 2014 12:19pm
Longknives

Whatever happened to Judith? Is she posting on ‘Whoar’ instead now??
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November 3, 2014 12:21pm
David Garrett

Lonknives: Who cares? Should we not just be grateful for our deliverance from the sanctimonious bullshitting twat??
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November 3, 2014 12:27pm
MT_Tinman

Griff (7,844 comments) says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:22 am

One way Plane ticket off to somewhere nice and Islamic for your Muslim would do everyone a service Odakyu-sen

F”*k buying him a ‘plane ticket.

Make ‘im walk!
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November 3, 2014 12:27pm
Lance

I see there is wailing and gnashing of teeth on the Horald because the All Blacks were called by one US paper…. shock horror… Aussies

Oh the humanity!!

Would be better if they got the memo though

All bad things, events, actors playing up etc are always Aussies (especially Russell Crowe), all good things/ people / achievements are Kiwi
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November 3, 2014 12:28pm
Griff

😆
whatever wat Your cut and paste is from an unreferenced source hence meaningless crap from some blog

Ie parliament.uk review into stolen emails

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmsctech/496/496.pdf
we find no evidence to question the scientific basis of human influence on the climate.
This response has been prepared by the Government Office for Science (GO-Science), with input from the Department for
Business, Innovationand Skills (BIS),the Ministry ofJustice (MOJ), the Department of Energyand Climate Change (DECC) and theDepartment for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA)

I can add many many more organizations and the scope content and conclusions of their reviews of the emails.

Are all these agency’s in on the scam?
Do you buy your tinfoil in bulk?
do you and all in red share tinfoil hat folding tips?

Ps fletch
a fact
warmest twelve month period in the record is….year up to today
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November 3, 2014 12:30pm
Kimbo

@ Viking2

Considering that celebration of Guy Fawkes used to be mandatory, you could very well be correct!

November 17, the accession of Elizabeth I in 1558 on the death of her mad half sister, “Bloody” Mary I was celebrated as a day of Jubilee in England for 150 years. Good Queen Bess was reputed to have prayed on being told the news, quoting Psalm 118:23 “This is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes”.

She had lived the previous 5 years in constant peril, including a time of imprisonment in the Tower of London. And she was a much better ruler than the headstrong James I, who was the target of the Gunpowder Plot.

Nonetheless you are right about the mandatory nature of the celebration. Part of cementing the Stuart dynasty, no doubt. Didn’t do James’ equally stubborn fool of a son Charles I much good. But then Puritans executing a sovereign after a trial automatically makes him a tyrant, whereas when Catholics try it with a stash of explosives they are traitors 🙂 Ah, the good old days of British justice, where you were innocent until proven Irish and Catholic!

The Fifth of November

Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England’s overthrow.
But, by God’s providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James’s sake!
If you won’t give me one,
I’ll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn’orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
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November 3, 2014 12:33pm
IGM

Public Dog: Do you not get the hint; no-one, apart from the odd left-wing leech, even reads the crap you post.
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November 3, 2014 12:33pm
wikiriwhis business

Wiki leaks has done it again exposing our criminal National Socialist Party.

Can’t believe this story got into MSM

Wikileaks has done it again.

The story of the past week in terms of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement was not Prime Minister John Key’s visit to the White House.

The more startling news is that our Government, with almost 50 other countries, is negotiating another secret deal in the shadows of the World Trade Organisation. They are calling to negotiate a Trade in Services Agreement (Tisa).

It is part of a troika: along with the TPP and the deal the US is negotiating with the European Union, it aims to create a new set of global rules that are designed exclusively to serve commercial interests.

This is no exaggeration. Last week US corporates held a launch for what they call Team Tisa. The co-chairs are Citigroup, Liberty Mutual, IBM, MetLife, UPS and Walmart. Leading members of Congress and the US Trade Representative were invited to speak.

If we thought the TPP was secretive – background documents remain secret for four years after any deal is done – Tisa proponents want to keep their documents secret for five years.

They aim to create an unrestricted global market for services, just as TPP is aimed at the Asia-Pacific. That means locking open the door to foreign corporations that dominate the world’s media, IT, finance, tourism, transport, healthcare, education sectors and more.

They also want to make light-handed regulation the global norm. A standstill rule aims to freeze the existing level of regulation as the new bottom line.

What Wikileaks posted was the draft chapter on financial services. We can assume it will be very similar to the TPP’s financial services chapter.

This is especially scary, because it aims to extend the model of liberalised and deregulated financial markets that brought us the global financial crisis.

The International Monetary Fund has criticised the US and EU for being in denial over the risks this model poses to themselves and the world. Yet they are pushing a more extreme version in Tisa, and, presumably, in the TPP.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11280883
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November 3, 2014 12:38pm
wikiriwhis business

The Wikileaks expose caused a flurry across the Tasman. Journalists realised that Tisa could threaten the four pillars policy that prevents mergers and takeovers among the Australian banks, who own most of ours.
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November 3, 2014 12:39pm
Rachael Membery

EAD (1,138 comments) says:

November 3rd, 2014 at 10:22 am

Do you just think people join the military to get qualifications and avoid student loans?
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November 3, 2014 12:41pm
Shawn Herles

30,000 Lose Health Care Due to Obamacare in Indiana.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/30000-lose-health-care-due-obamacare-indiana_817841.html
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November 3, 2014 12:43pm
wikiriwhis business

To John Key, Kiwis aren’t actually interested in any problem facing National

But some polls have proved him wrong. One survey showed three in four people were concerned about reform of the Government Communications and Security Bureau.

According to Mr Key, New Zealanders also do not care for scandals – particularly when they involve the National Party.

He has described Judith Collins’ Oravida visit, Kim Dotcom’s allegations, and the “teapot tapes” as things people did not care about.

When Dotcom first claimed that Mr Key knew about him earlier than he had publicly admitted, Mr Key responded: “The Government actually doesn’t care about Kim Dotcom … In fact, most New Zealanders don’t care about Kim Dotcom.”

There is a pattern in all of the things New Zealanders are “not interested in” – they are all potentially damaging to National.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278412
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November 3, 2014 12:47pm
Manolo

But isn’t the Messiah, the very embodiment of hope-and-change, the best thing that could have happened to the US?
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November 3, 2014 12:48pm
Redbaiter

“it is true Red. EAD loves anything promoted by anti-Western tyrants. That is common knowledge here.”

Three further false statements in a row, on top of the previous. The claim that it is “common knowledge here” is particularly untrue. Maybe if you don’t want to be identified as a coward you should stop acting like a coward. Make an argument that relates your views and does not consist mostly of complete and deliberate misrepresentations of the views of others.
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November 3, 2014 12:49pm
Griff

Make an argument that relates your views and does not consist mostly of complete and deliberate misrepresentations of the views of others.

And previous post

Redbaiter (9,137 comments) says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:59 am

Pat Condell- Laughing at the New Inquisition.

Curious about what a Progressive really is? This video lays it all out in simple language that perhaps even Grief will understand.

A double standard at work here
redbaiter insist he is allowed to post someones elses view on what progressives think
yet tells others they can not say what anyone else thinks
In consecutive posts
How do you manage to compartmentalize your rubbish so easily red ?
Have you ever considered professional help?
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November 3, 2014 12:59pm
Shawn Herles

“Three further false statements in a row, on top of the previous.”

Prove it. Find me the posts from EAD that contradict what I said. I happily stand by what I said, EAD is a shill for the Kremlin, amongst other anti-Western regimes, and this IS common knowledge here.

“Maybe if you don’t want to be identified as a coward”

I’m not, except by you, and most people here think you are a delusional and hypocritical nutjob with serious psychiatric problems.

So I think my reputation is safe from your infantile accusations! 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:01pm
dime

LMAO @ whale oil. Pete is beside himself.

Turns out the lawyers weren’t happy that WO published their trust account and asked for payments. Im sure they were looking forward to reconciling a shit ton of $50 payments to cover one bill.

They also dont want to be associated with him publicly.. fair enough. i wouldnt either.

hes become a toxic poodle trying to bite his owner.
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November 3, 2014 1:03pm
Shawn Herles

“redbaiter insist he is allowed to post someones elses view on what progressives think
yet tells others they can not say what anyone else thinks
In consecutive posts”

Of course he does. Redbaiter is a serial liar and a rank hypocrite. He will screech like a pathetic little girl if I post links to other’s views, but then does so himself!!!

Redbaiter is a totally dishonest hypocrite who has made double standards into an art form.

But then, that is common knowledge at KB as well. 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:07pm
stephieboy

Manolo (13,850 comments) says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 12:48 pm,

Pining after the good ole days ?,

http://iteachuss.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/jim-crow-and-his-southern-law.html
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November 3, 2014 1:11pm
Fletch

stephie, the Ebola sheets on Pundit were downloaded or captured straight from the CDC. It’s not an opinion piece, just reporting.
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November 3, 2014 1:12pm
publicwatchdog

Gee David Garrett – seems that as so many Kiwibloggers down tick so many of my posts – that many are VERY interested in what I have to say!

Not liking what I say, is not the same as not being interested in what I say?

Of course – perish the thought that so many Kiwiblogger ‘Libertarians’ would dislike something I said – without first bothering to read it?

Surely not …..

Kind regards

Penny Bright

Arguably EFFECTIVE ‘anti-corruption/anti-privatisation whistle-blower’ 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:15pm
Redbaiter

“Prove it.”

It is not my onus to prove what other’s claim. You misrepresented EAD, as you do so many people myself included. It is your standard modus operandi and makes you one of the least worthwhile contributors to discussion here and one of the worst trolls. (With Grief as your closest rival.)

Like most narcissists, you will say anything in your mad obsession with attracting attention. A screaming immature child of the kind you see with an odious apology for a parent in the supermarket so frequently.

“most people here”

Always the argument of the fact free deficient in knowledge imbecile.
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November 3, 2014 1:16pm
David Garrett

They don’t read it Penny…They just see your handle, scroll to the end – and God does that sometimes take a while – and then downtick you…Hoping – thus far in vain – that you will eventually get the message that no-one gives a damn about your infantile rantings, and GO AWAY…

But silly me…here I am trying to reason with a mad woman…
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November 3, 2014 1:17pm
Shawn Herles

“But isn’t the Messiah, the very embodiment of hope-and-change, the best thing that could have happened to the US?”

More like the worst. A weak economy. A weak foreign policy. An even weaker defense policy. And a government more concerned with silencing dissent than listening to valid criticism.

Two more years and then Obama’s idiocy will be history.
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November 3, 2014 1:19pm
Sponge

@dime 1:03

When I saw the post yesterday asking for money to be deposited to his lawyers trust account I thought “I hope he has asked his lawyer first”.

I run a trust account for my business and I know how hard it is to identify payments coming in. All the payments I receive are significant amounts of money so people have an incentive to get it right. With the WO legal fund I imagine that it will be a nightmare for the lawyers to work out what it is all for. Its not like you can just make an educated guess.

If I was Grove Darlow I would be highly pissed off as the damage is already done as people appear to have been making payments. The work to untangle it would be significant.

I think that Pete saying they don’t want to be associated with WO is just covering embarrassment and the blunder of not asking Grove Darlows consent first.
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November 3, 2014 1:20pm
Shawn Herles

“It is not my onus to prove what other’s claim. You misrepresented EAD .”

Yes the onus IS on you. If you are going to throw the “liar” label around, man up and prove the accusation or admit you are just trolling again because you hate the fact that I have repeatedly shown you up in debates.

That is all your blather is Red, petulant and childish whining from a loser. 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:23pm
Redbaiter

“Two more years and then Obama’s idiocy will be history.”

It won’t be. Your useless Republican party, infiltrated by far left Democrats, has neither the guts nor the brains to undo Obamacare, which was a major step in turning the Constitutional Republic into another sick global example of creeping neo-communism.
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November 3, 2014 1:24pm
Lucia Maria

Redbaiter,

Shawn is basically correct about EAD (though the bit about supporting Ayatollahs of Iran is probably an exaggeration). He is pro-Putin and promotes anti-Western propaganda, of the type that seems to be generated by the Kremlin. I would suspect that his approval of the Iranian article that Reid linked to a while back has more to do with Iran being allied with Russia than anything else.

He won’t tell me why he believes Russia has changed so dramatically to be the source of Marxism to the world, to now in his mind, to be far more trustworthy than Western sources. Only saying that I should investigate who funded the Bolsheviks.

EAD, two days ago on GD:

… this is a piece you want to read whether you agree with Putin (as I generally do) or not:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-30/putin-western-elites-play-time-over

That speech by Putin was the big load of conspiracy bullshit that has people like EAD completely and totally fooled. Don’t tell me you are in that camp as well.
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November 3, 2014 1:25pm
Redbaiter

“because you hate the fact that I have repeatedly shown you up in debates.”

There you go again, the same old hollow claims of victory, when you’re too dumb to even acknowledge the simple absurdity of a participant acting as umpire. How can anyone win a debate when they’re so bereft of logic that even this simple fact is beyond them?
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November 3, 2014 1:25pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t tell me you are in that camp as well.”

I am in the camp that believes no good debate on any subject can be held here with Shawn and his constant misrepresentations. He needs to focus on what he believes and leave his constant lies about what others think out of it. Setting up constant strawmen and demanding that others defend them is the work of an idiot incapable of rendering any real argument. Leaving aside cowardly and dishonest.

Look at the way he leaves a smiley after every cowardly and dishonest smear. You’re siding with and encouraging such a hypocritical and slimy apology for a man?
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November 3, 2014 1:29pm
stigie

“But silly me…here I am trying to reason with a mad woman”…

Careful DG, you could go mental trying to reason with a mad Publicwatchdog !~
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November 3, 2014 1:31pm
tom hunter

Two more years and then Obama’s idiocy will be history.

Obama will be history but his idiocy will live on in the shape of the institutions that he’s so badly damaged or new ones broken at their creation, such as Obamacare. Not to mention the fact that the tens of millions of his voters who worshipped him in 2008 are still around. Their idiocy merely awaits a new messiah.
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November 3, 2014 1:31pm
Manolo

@stephieboy: You are dead wrong!
I’m a “darkie” myself. I judge people by their education and intellect, not skin colour.
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November 3, 2014 1:32pm
publicwatchdog

Here are some more FACTS in which thinking Kiwibloggers may be interested?

Take a look at the ‘Honorary’ members of the shadowy, unelected private sector BIG business lobby group, which arguably really runs the Auckland region ……

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/members

Auckland City Mission Logo 2014
Property Council NZ Logo 2014
Salvation Army Logo 2014

Auckland Communities Foundation Logo 2014
Austrade Logo 2014
Chinese Consulate General Logo 2014
US Consulate General Logo 2014
NZCID Logo 2014
The Icehouse Logo 2014

Then – check out the ‘Individual Members’ of this same Committee for Auckland …

Individual Members

Diane Robertson Trustee, Committee for Auckland

Anne Blackburn Director, Committee for Auckland
Sir Ron Carter Parton, Committee for Auckland
Brian Corban
Richard Didsbury Chair, Committee for Auckland
Sally Garrett
Dame Jenny Gibbs
Michael Lorimer
Chris Mace
Kelly Martin
Peter Menzies
Bryan Mogridge Trustee, Committee for Auckland
Jane Vesty
Peter Wall Director, Committee for Auckland

________________________________________________________________________________________

No wonder I’m being ‘neck-stamped’ as an ‘anti-corruption whistle-blower’?

Who else is trying to help shine a public spotlight on these BIG business interests?

Is it any wonder that Auckland Council and other Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs), have failed to follow the law and provide genuine transparency in rates spending on private sector consultants and contractors?

Just look at who are ‘corporate members’ of the Committee for Auckland:

Auckland Council Logo 2014
ATEED Logo 2014
Regional Facilities Auckland Logo 2014
Watercare Services Logo 2014
Waterfront Auckland Logo 2014

Maybe there are a number of vested interests here – who DON’T want citizens and ratepayers to be able to ‘follow the dollar’ ….?

All happening in the biggest city in what is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ …..

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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November 3, 2014 1:32pm
Shawn Herles

EAD defending Putin.

“EAD (1,138 comments) says:
September 17th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
And by the way, since Vlad the Bad was first president, Russia has ended the islamist uprising in Chechnya and defended it’s self from attack by Georgia.

In the same time the USA and it’s poodles have attacked
Serbia/Kosovo
Somalia
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Iraq
Libya

they have started civil wars in Syria, Mali, Yemen and Somalia.

And tried to start wars with Iran, North Korea, Syria and Russia.

Perhaps Putin could be the bad guy in the eyess of the West’spropogana macine but perhaps the west is actually the dictatorship”

Hmmmm……. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:34pm
Shawn Herles

Oops, here is EAD defending Putin again.

“EAD (1,138 comments) says:
March 21st, 2014 at 7:40 am
Why do we want to “stop Putin”? Russia has acted calmly and reasonably in protecting her legitimate interests in the Crimea, historically part of Russia with a majority Russian population and home of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

The real cause of the problem is the EU’s reckless imperialism in attempting what amounted to the political and economic takeover of the Ukraine, which any fool could see is a vital Russian sphere of interest.

From 1917-90, Russia was in the grip of a ruthless and pitiless ideology, enforced by ruthless and pitiless men, whose only service to humanity was to help defeat an even more evil, ruthless and pitiless ideology during the years 1941-5.

When Russia came blinking into the modern world, the West colluded with the asset stripping of Russia’s natural resources, and indulged Boris Yeltsin because it suited them. When Putin arrived, and began to organise matters on a more pro-Russian basis, the west took umbrage, and has been trying to punish him for his temerity since.

Yes he may be “authoritarian”, but with such a dysfunctional, ravaged and corrupt country that had just defaulted and experienced a hyperinflation in 1998, somebody was required to pull the once proud Russia from its knees and the results have been impressive – under his presidency wages have tripled, unemployment has halved, GDP has grown by 72% and taxes have fallen to a flat income tax of 13% with practically zero government debt. Compare that with Obama’s America – 50million+ on foodstamps, $18 trillion in debt, $1 trillion+ annual deficits, multi hundred billion pound trade deficits and interest rates being held to zerobound to stop the country going bankrupt.

Exactly what money is the West going to flooding the Ukraine with?”
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November 3, 2014 1:38pm
stephieboy

Fletch, but the significance is the slant the Gateway Pundit put on it is important which is a rather hysterical one

The CDC is continuously updating as new information is coming to hand . The link below has grasped the real significance of those changes re Coughing and sneezing,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/cdc-ebola_n_6078072.html

The Pundit Gateway like many Rightwing blogs really understands how spreading fear and ignorance works .
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November 3, 2014 1:40pm
RRM

Umm… Penny dog… the fact that The Committee for Auckland is compeised of (among others) big businesses is kinda disclosed on their main “About” page of their website:

The Committee for Auckland provides the connections and partnerships where business, government and non-government organisations as well as community groups come together to promote cross-sector engagement around key issues.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/about

Congratulations Penny – you have discovered a conspiracy by businesses and wealthy individuals who want to spend some of their own time and money on making Auckland a better place.

😐 Go you. You’re awesome.
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November 3, 2014 1:42pm
Shawn Herles

So it took me less than 5 minutes to find a slew of posts where EAD defends Putin and attacks the West.

The fact that Redtroll did not even bother to check EAD’s own words our before screeching about me “lying” speaks volumes about how gutless and dishonest Redtroll is.

So, as far as Redtrolls’s accusations of lying go, there are four possibilities.

Red is a moron.

Red is a liar with a personal grudge against me for daring to show him up in debates.

Red has a psychiatric problem which allows him to say one thing one moment, such as complaining about me linking to other’s words, and then do the very thing he complains about, linking to someone else’s words via Pat Condell.

All of the above! 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:43pm
stephieboy

Now that EAD appears to be on the prowl I posted this interesting link about Putin and his propaganda machine RT ,

“Throwing a Wrench In Russia’s Propaganda Machine.”

Interesting . Here is a website worth more than it’s weight in the proverbial gold -The Interpreter identifying and analyzing the life and lies of the Kremlin’s premiere propaganda machine Russia Today.

I was first attracted to the attention to a Byan Mc Donald who has on RT proclaimed Vladimir Putin as the leader of the New World Order. Of course when an American official like Chuck Hagel makes mention of it its immediately taken out of context revealing a US led Conspiracy agenda to take control of the world.

Another of RT’s front persons is one Karen Hudes who has been blabbering for yonks. on her bosses Putin ‘s network about the US’s imminent economic demise and collapse .

Sound familiar .? Paul Craig Roberts and Zero Hedge.? Yes.!

Then there is the Neo Nazi Editor Manuel Ochsenreiter that RT makes great use of. Am sure surviving veteran’s of the Great Patriotic War would be most pleased .

I look forward to posting more of Putin’s Russia Todays’ falsehoods and out right lies in the days ahead .

http://www.interpretermag.com/throwing-a-wrench-in-russias-propaganda-machine/
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November 3, 2014 1:45pm
Redbaiter

“So it took me less than 5 minutes to find a slew of posts where EAD defends Putin and attacks the West.”

No you proved nothing, only that once again you lie. Here’s what you said:

“EAD is a shill for the Kremlin”

“check out the man you claimed was the only leader in the world who was just and right, Vlad Putin.”

All EAD is doing is pointing out the flaws in your own argument. He’s no shill. He’s trying to present an objective and intelligent argument against the likes off frauds and charlatans like you. I don’t necessarily agree with EAD’s views but you deserve any criticism you get for constantly misrepresenting what others say in cowardly attempts to attack their character and reputation. You’re contemptible.
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November 3, 2014 1:48pm
Rachael Membery

Money where mouth is, regarding the Cameron Slater Fighting Fund. It feels good to take a principled stance on behalf of ‘us’.
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November 3, 2014 1:49pm
Shawn Herles

“All EAD is doing”

So you got caught lying and having your facts wrong, again, and now you are trying to cover your worthless ass by spinning what EAD really said! 🙂

Lost another one Red. Move on loser. 🙂
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November 3, 2014 1:51pm
Shawn Herles

“EAD (1,138 comments) says:
June 24th, 2014 at 6:52 pm
Shorn – you’re anti-Putin diatribes are getting a bit tiresome mate.”
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November 3, 2014 1:58pm
wikiriwhis business

http://archive.indymedia.org.nz/article/79609/new-zealanders-must-speak-out-about-omit

New Zealanders need to ‘speak out’ about the omitted human rights or they will be completely engulfed by the extremely negative, ‘evil’, philosophy of ‘discriminatory collectivism’ where you will be nothing but a ‘number’.

It was a devious and deceitful manipulation of human rights in the New Zealand Bill of Rights 1990 (BORA) which led to the human rights omissions but generally New Zealanders are oblivious to its enormous impact over society.

The aim of the philosophy of ‘discriminatory collectivism’ is to protect a ‘bicultural’ tribal elite partnership under the Treaty of Waitangi from any ‘bottom-up’ challenge.

It is the view that, apart from the social status of the group ‘the collective is everything and the individual is merely a number’. The bi-cultural emphasis is also racist because it is a multicultural society.

But in human rights terms the individual is a ‘person’, and, I believe, for God individuals have a ‘name’, they are not a mere number. Human rights, well done, also includes holistic development which includes the spiritual dimension (see ‘Human Rights as a Way of Life’ below).
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November 3, 2014 2:00pm
stephieboy

The interpreter looks behind the scenes at Russia Today’s front man Bryan McDonald . This so called “Media Analyst ” is the one who recently described Putin on RT in the most glowing of terms as leader of the New World Order.He could no other on a network that is even more tightly controlled these days by the Kremlin and Vladimir.

Here is with this priceless piece of cant posted earlier on KB by I believe EAD,

http://rt.com/op-edge/201563-time-new-world-order/

One of Mc Donald’s chief claims to infamy is the manner in which he has sown considerable disinformation and deceit on behalf of the Putin and the Kremlin about the Ukraine crisis including the downing of Flight M17.

http://www.interpretermag.com/life-of-bryan-how-an-rt-columnist-tries-to-influence-the-debate-on-russia-and-ukraine/
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November 3, 2014 2:05pm
RF

Longknives….& DG.. Ah. Judith who is missing in action. I wonder who she is today….. For some reason she reminds me of that Labour MP from Wigram… Megan Woods. Full of her own importance and demands to be addressed as Dr. Funny that when Labour crashed and burned Judith was no more.
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November 3, 2014 2:08pm
kowtow

Talking of MIA’s , where’s the parrot troll kea,was she banned again?
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November 3, 2014 2:12pm
stigie

kea should have been back Kowtow…only got one week from the 17th of last month due to that horrible video he put up !~
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November 3, 2014 2:18pm
Griff

Read the comments policy kowtow it has the sad history of the troll kea and the three strikes
His ban should be over. Whether or not he returns to kb may be concluded when DPF returns from his trip
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November 3, 2014 2:19pm
kowtow

The world’s gone mad.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/government-pays-compensation-to-lydia-foy-over-gender-recognition-failures-1.1985515
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November 3, 2014 2:24pm
Longknives

How the fuck do you have a right to ‘acquire’ a Birth Certificate in your ‘chosen’ Gender?
Surely a Birth Certificate (Being a legal document) must clearly and accurately state what Gender you actually were when born??
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November 3, 2014 2:29pm
kowtow

longie

That’s why I say madness.

All in the name of human rights.

The thing about birthcerts is they are changing a matter of historical fact. Amazing the power the modern state has!
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November 3, 2014 2:33pm
Rachael Membery

Longknives (4,779 comments) says:

November 3rd, 2014 at 2:29 pm

Sadly I think there are occasions when gender is indeterminate. The decision is often made depending on whether the child wants to play with dolls or trucks.
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November 3, 2014 2:39pm
kowtow

Foy was born male, was a dentist ,married and had 2 children.Change your mind and the whole world changes with you.

Did his wife marry a woman? Did a woman “father ” 2 children,the mind boggles.

http://www.ucc.ie/law/CCJHRsymposiumGender/Michael%20Farrell%20UCC%20conference%20paper%20May2010.pdf
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November 3, 2014 2:46pm
Longknives

I’m not so sure about that Rachael- Now I’m not a member of the Medical Profession but I am pretty sure most babies are either born with tackle or without? (Which should make specifying Gender relatively easy?)
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November 3, 2014 2:46pm
wat dabney

Griff,

“whatever wat Your cut and paste is from an unreferenced source hence meaningless crap from some blog”

Are you suggesting that these are not genuine email comments?

– “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

– “It would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “Medieval Warm Period”.”

– “Personally, I wouldn’t send (Stephen McIntyre) anything. I have no idea what he’s up to, but you can be sure it falls into the “no good” category.”

– “We also have a Data Protection Act, which I will hide behind.”

– “Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith regarding the latest (IPCC) report? Keith will do likewise…Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same?…We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”

– “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

The fact that you try to dismiss these quotations indicates you realise just how damning they are, revealing the malpractise at the heart of the scam. This is Enron-levels of behaviour: manipulating evidence, destroying evidence and knowingly and comprehensively misrepresenting the case.
To accept that they are genuine means you might have to face up to the unpalatable facts of the matter; that whilst you do your utmost to smear skeptics who have never been found to be anything less than scrupulous, you at the same time rush to excuse the mass of solid evidence showing the unethical behavior of the alarmists extracting their handsome livings from the taxpayers’ tit.

So, do you or do you not accept that they are genuine emails?

“I can add many many more organizations and the scope content and conclusions of their reviews of the emails.”

Then do so.
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November 3, 2014 2:48pm
Rachael Membery

I am surprised that we have not got an extradition treaty with Malaysia. Is there a reason for that, we have many ties to Malaysia? In 1963 my father, in a military capacity, was stationed in the then Malaya.
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November 3, 2014 2:49pm
Griff

Are you suggesting that these are not genuine email comments?

No wat I am saying they are quote mines.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

Quote mining is the deceitful tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner’s viewpoint or to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme or hold positions they don’t in order to make their positions easier to refute or demonize. It’s a way of lying.

The emails contained tens of thousands of sentences the denial wing nuts went though these and picked a few sentences that could be misconstrued out of context to mean something they did not.
Nine reviews went thought these accusations and found no wrong doing.
All the bodies involved in these reviews according to you are involved in some massive cover up .
This makes you a conspiracy nut whack.
Same goes with your seven series paper .
Here is BEST’s totally independent analysis of NZ’s temperatures It conclusion and trends are virtually the same as niwas
http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/station-list/location/36.17S-175.03E
Niwa is lying and so is every other major scientific body that collates the worlds long term temperature record.
Thousands of scientists around the globe all telling lies in a massive global conspiracy
Or a small bunch of known wingnuts do bad science to deny a fact they dont like .
😆
Keep you tinfoil hat close Wat. The ray guns of the evil scientists might burn your brain else wise.
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November 3, 2014 3:13pm
publicwatchdog

“They don’t read it Penny…They just see your handle, scroll to the end – and God does that sometimes take a while – and then downtick you”

Gee David Garrett – how can I possibly debate with someone such as yourself – who apparently has the extraordinary powers of ESP – and somehow can get into the mind of individual Kiwibloggers and know how and why they post what they do?

Trying to bite hard with your wee goldfish gums – and making yourself look like a very silly wee man as you so do ….

As long as you’re ‘gumming’ away – it PROVES I’m being effective ….

Keep going!

😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 3, 2014 3:55pm
stigie

What was that again Penny….A bit deaf in that ear !~
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November 3, 2014 3:58pm
Redbaiter

“So you got caught lying and having your facts wrong, again, and now you are trying to cover your worthless ass by spinning what EAD really said! ”

Let me try once again. Here’s just one of the statements you attributed to EAD.

“the man you claimed was the only leader in the world who was just and right, Vlad Putin.”

Where is the statement from EAD wherein he states that “Putin is the only world leader who is just and right”

That’s your mission. Don’t come up with that statement then the case against you as an apparently compulsive and prolific liar and coward who misrepresents everything others say remains unchallenged.
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November 3, 2014 4:06pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go RRM – a few more FACTS for you to consider?

https://fyi.org.nz/request/1188/response/5083/attach/2/Customer%20Response.pdf

Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987

Cleaning Contracts – Committee for Auckland / NZ Council for Infrastructure

I refer to your email, which we received on 7 October 2013 in which you requested the following.

Please find responses beneath each query.

1. Advice on how many of the members of the Committee for Auckland and the New Zealand Council for Infrastructure hold contracts with council.

The following contract data includes Auckland Council & its CCO’s (except Watercare Services and Auckland Transport).

Committee for Auckland

Contract with Council? – Yes 63
Contract with Council? – No 9

Total 72 ….. ”
______________________________________________________________________________________________

“Umm… Penny dog… the fact that The Committee for Auckland is compeised of (among others) big businesses is kinda disclosed on their main “About” page of their website:

The Committee for Auckland provides the connections and partnerships where business, government and non-government organisations as well as community groups come together to promote cross-sector engagement around key issues.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/about

Congratulations Penny – you have discovered a conspiracy by businesses and wealthy individuals who want to spend some of their own time and money on making Auckland a better place. …”
___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Yep ‘RRM’

Seems Committee for Auckland member companies are indeed making Auckland a better place – for themselve$?

It THAT why the ‘books’ aren’t open, and we aren’t being given the ‘devilish detail’ of awarded contracts Auckland Council and Auckland Council CCOs (apart from Auckland Transport)?

Because this would expose just how many contracts are going to member companies of the Committee for Auckland?

So the public majority of Auckland citizens and ratepayers CAN’T ‘follow THEIR dollar’ …..?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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November 3, 2014 4:15pm
Shawn Herles

For Redtroll’s education; just one of many examples.

“EAD (1,138 comments) says:
October 18th, 2014 at 9:19 am

Stephie, if Putin is a thug then he is certainly the most intelligent, effective and patriotic thug in the world today.

Who would object to a similar individual in this country? I certainly wouldn’t – we desperately need it.”
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November 3, 2014 4:31pm
Longknives

Have you ever visited Planet Earth Penny?
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November 3, 2014 4:37pm
Redbaiter

Nope. Fail again. For the third time- Where does he say “Putin is the only leader in the world who was just and right” as you claimed.
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November 3, 2014 4:38pm
Griff

Arguing with Wingnuts is ultimately pointless Shawn they are not capable of changing their views no matter how many times you make them look like confused cranks.
But it is funny when cognitive dissonance makes them spin around doing their little nutter dance of confusion and denial.
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November 3, 2014 4:52pm
Don the Kiwi

Penny.

Will you please stop cluttering GD with your mindless drivle. No-one reads it, as DG says – we ALL just scroll past it and downtick it.

NO-ONE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR DEMENTED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

You really need to try Sex and Travel.
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November 3, 2014 4:53pm
Shawn Herles

“Nope. Fail again”

Nope, success again. I have proven EAD’s devotion to Putin with ease. The last statement alone proves my case, and all you have is word games and spin.

Face it Red, you swung and missed. Again.

So, entertain us. How about another White Supremacist rant about how Native Americans are uncultured savages, only white English people should have a say on the NZ flag, and how John Key may be unfit to be PM because his mother was a practicing Jew.

Those little nazi screeds are a hoot! 🙂
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November 3, 2014 4:55pm
wat dabney

Griff,

“No wat I am saying they are quote mines”

So you’ve wisely backed-away from your dishonest attempt to misrepresent the quotations as being ‘unreferenced source hence meaningless crap from some blog’.

You now accept – albeit disingenuously – that these damning quotations are real and accurate.

You’re like a sulky teenager, Griff!

Nor is there is anything out of context about them, since there is no context in which such blatant malpractise could ever be acceptable. Your parroted claim about context is just another dishonest and slippery attempt to misrepresent the evidence.

That’s so Griff! (new blog catchphrase for when Griff posts his lies and ignorance.)

You’re like a religious nut rushing to excuse the atrocities of his beloved deity; an apologist for any lies and fraud committed for the cause.

I think you’d better stick to name-calling and smiley faces, don’t you, mate?

And we shall await your evidence of ‘many many more organizations’ who conducted thorough, independent investigations of the Climategate emails, shall we? Or did the dog eat it?
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November 3, 2014 4:59pm
Redbaiter

“John Key may be unfit to be PM because his mother was a practicing Jew.”

You see?

You lied about what EAD has said, and now you’re trying to cover that with more lies. I remain convinced you are one of the most disgusting trolls on here, and how you can assume to preach to others how they should live their lives when you’re own life is so infested with dishonesty and delusion is another question that will remain unanswered. What a fraud. What a complete and utter shameless fraud.
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November 3, 2014 5:02pm
publicwatchdog

“Will you please stop cluttering GD with your mindless drivle. No-one reads it, as DG says – we ALL just scroll past it and downtick it.

NO-ONE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR DEMENTED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.”

So ‘Don the Kiwi’ – why do you even bother to comment on my posts?

DUH?

So sorry that the FACTS that I post are not to your liking …

(yawn ……)

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

Persistent and consistent ‘anti-corruption whistle-blower’ 😉
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November 3, 2014 5:12pm
Rachael Membery

Longknives (4,781 comments) says:

November 3rd, 2014 at 2:46 pm

Some are born with both.
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November 3, 2014 5:14pm
nasska

….” how you can assume to preach to others how they should live their lives when you’re own life is so infested with dishonesty and delusion is another question that will remain unanswered. What a fraud. What a complete and utter shameless fraud.”…..

That’s a harsh judgement of a man of the cloth Baity….your maker will not be pleased.
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November 3, 2014 5:23pm
wat dabney

‘Persistent and consistent ‘anti-corruption whistle-blower

You come across as an unhappy and desperate woman in the midst of a nervous breakdown.

It’s like if you ever stopped to consider for a moment, to reflect, and to stop telling everyone how important and selfless you are, your whole world would implode.

Get help.
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November 3, 2014 5:25pm
Shawn Herles

“You lied about what EAD has said”

I said EAD was a supporter of Putin, and I proved my case.

And you did indeed raise the issue of JK’s mother being a Jew Red.

The only lying troll in this is you.
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November 3, 2014 5:26pm
Griff

Wat
quote mines matey.
Are you thick ?

“You post was meaningless crap cut and pasted from some denial blog”
This is reference to your list of quote mined emails that you cut and pasted from a denial blog and did not give a source for .
ie you are now quote mining my words.

Nor is there is anything out of context about them, since there is no context in which such blatant malpractise could ever be acceptable.

As pointed out Wat nine times they were examined and no fault was found.

In February 2010, the Pennsylvania State University released an Inquiry Report that investigated any ‘Climategate’ emails involving Dr Michael Mann, a Professor of Penn State’s Department of Meteorology. They found that “there exists no credible evidence that Dr. Mann had or has ever engaged in, or participated in, directly or indirectly, any actions with an intent to suppress or to falsify data”. On “Mike’s Nature trick”, they concluded “The so-called “trick”1 was nothing more than a statistical method used to bring two or more different kinds of data sets together in a legitimate fashion by a technique that has been reviewed by a broad array of peers in the field.”
In March 2010, the UK government’s House of Commons Science and Technology Committee published a report finding that the criticisms of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) were misplaced and that CRU’s “Professor Jones’s actions were in line with common practice in the climate science community”.
In April 2010, the University of East Anglia set up an international Scientific Assessment Panel, in consultation with the Royal Society and chaired by Professor Ron Oxburgh. The Report of the International Panel assessed the integrity of the research published by the CRU and found “no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit”.
In June 2010, the Pennsylvania State University published their Final Investigation Report, determining “there is no substance to the allegation against Dr. Michael E. Mann”.
In July 2010, the University of East Anglia published the Independent Climate Change Email Review report. They examined the emails to assess whether manipulation or suppression of data occurred and concluded that “we find that their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt.”
In July 2010, the US Environmental Protection Agency investigated the emails and “found this was simply a candid discussion of scientists working through issues that arise in compiling and presenting large complex data sets.”
In September 2010, the UK Government responded to the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee report, chaired by Sir Muir Russell. On the issue of releasing data, they found “In the instance of the CRU, the scientists were not legally allowed to give out the data”. On the issue of attempting to corrupt the peer-review process, they found “The evidence that we have seen does not suggest that Professor Jones was trying to subvert the peer review process. Academics should not be criticised for making informal comments on academic papers”.
In February 2011, the Department of Commerce Inspector General conducted an independent review of the emails and found “no evidence in the CRU emails that NOAA inappropriately manipulated data”.
In August 2011, the National Science Foundation concluded “Finding no research misconduct or other matter raised by the various regulations and laws discussed above, this case is closed”.

You are in denial of nine separate reports.
All of the above agency are implicate in your conspiracy.
Nine times a wingnut
Keep your tin foil hat on Wat.
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November 3, 2014 5:28pm
Redbaiter

“I said EAD was a supporter of Putin, and I proved my case.”

No you did not say that. I have already quoted your own quote which was that EAD had claimed that “Putin was the only leader in the world who was just and right.”

This is probably the fifth or sixth time you have had this quoted to you but in the manner of a man demented you refuse to acknowledge you said it. Or provide the quote from EAD. Either way, it proves you just made it up, as you always do as a a subsitute for real argument.

If you were the religious man you claim to be you would admit you lied and ask for forgiveness for being so untruthful. But as I said previously, I think that’s another of your delusions about who you are.
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November 3, 2014 5:31pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wgyo43fx6wpm07l/Climate-Change-An-History.jpg?dl=0
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November 3, 2014 5:37pm
Manolo

Can he? Will he?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/obama-reboot-112432_full.html#.VFcIFMtxmUk
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November 3, 2014 5:44pm
stigie

“That’s a harsh judgement of a man of the cloth Baity….your maker will not be pleased”.

Waiting 5…4…3…2…1…
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November 3, 2014 5:47pm
Shawn Herles

Give it up RedNazi. I easily proved my case regrding EAD, and he has made numerous comments in support of Putin, including the claim that he is the only right and just leader in the world. Perfectly consistent with his other pro-Putin claims.

The fact is that you decided to jump in and take another swing at me, and you missed, again.

In reality, the only liar here is you Red. You lie repeatedly about other people being Left wing progs, merely for not agreeing with your own racist and far Right rants.

Almost every day you come on to KB and throw around baseless accusations about other people and their lives and views, and think nothing of doing so, despite the truth that you know you are lying.

Only the other day you lied in claiming that I glorified drugs and did not care about drugs being sold to children, and your ONLY base for this claim was that I support decriminalizing marijuana.

Now, you will have an excuse for that lie, but that will only prove my point. Your a raving hypocrite who lies every time you are on KB, who uses abuse and bully boy tactics to try and shut other people up, and who calls other people progs, cowards, traitors, and worse, for the apparent crime of just supporting National.

So, just to be clear. I don’t give a rats ass about what you think about my posts, because you are in no position to criticize anyone, given your long history of abuse and lying on KB, abuse that has been so bad you have had to be banned.

So drop the act Red. All you really want is for KB to be your personal platform for your racist, far Right ranting, and you cannot deal with the fact that everyone is not falling over themselves to kiss your ass.
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November 3, 2014 5:48pm
Griff

Nasska
You better go and make your self one as well.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
1824
Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere.
1859
Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change.
1896
Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2
1930s
Global warming trend since late 19th century reported. =>Modern temp’s
Milankovitch proposes orbital changes as the cause of ice ages
1967
International Global Atmospheric Research Program established, mainly to gather data for better short-range weather prediction, but including climate.
Manabe and Wetherald make a convincing calculation that doubling CO2 would raise world temperatures a couple of degrees.
1974
Serious droughts since 1972 increase concern about climate, with cooling from aerosols suspected to be as likely as warming; scientists are doubtful as journalists talk of a new ice age
1977
Scientific opinion tends to converge on global warming, not cooling, as the chief climate risk in next century.
1983
Reports from US National Academy of Sciences and Environmental Protection Agency spark conflict, as greenhouse warming becomes prominent in mainstream politics
1988
News media coverage of global warming leaps upward following record heat and droughts plus testimony by Hansen.
Toronto conference calls for strict, specific limits on greenhouse gas emissions; UK Prime Minister Thatcher is first major leader to call for action
Ice-core and biology studies confirm living ecosystems give climate feedback by way of methane, which could accelerate global warming.
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is established
3 November 2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/science-environment-29820051
Live Reporting
‘Synthesis Report’ on climate change announced
Unrestricted fossil fuel use must be ‘phased out almost entirely by 2100’
Press conference in progress at the Tivoli Congress Centre, Copenhagen
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November 3, 2014 5:52pm
wat dabney

Griff,

As pointed out Wat nine times they were examined and no fault was found.

And as I pointed out to you, unless such investigations find that the emails were faked (which they were not), then the most they could ever do is to establish if there is any more or any worse behaviour by these culprits waiting to be unearthed.

What they can’t do is conclude that there is no fault, because the evidence of malpractise is in the public domain. It is a matter of record.

The deletion of evidence. The witholding of data from independent analysis. The fabrication of charts. This is not in dispute. This activity is admitted by the culprits in their own emails.

For example, “Mike’s Nature trick’ (“hide the decline”) is not simply a statistical technique to join two data-sets. It is nothing of the sort. It is the wilful exclusion of data done purely and simply because it goes against the trend that the chart’s author wishes to fabricate. There is no legitimate excuse for prematurely truncating the data at that point.

Hence the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee (one of your cited reviews) determined that the notorious chart was “misleading.”

Because you don’t actually read or understand the stuff you cut and paste, do you Griff?
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November 3, 2014 5:55pm
Redbaiter

“he has made numerous comments in support of Putin, including the claim that he is the only right and just leader in the world.”

So you keep saying, but when asked to substantiate this claim, which I always doubted because of its absoluteness, and knowing EAD would not do that, you have failed. Even after you have obviously searched for it.

So as I said right at the start of this exchange, you just build strawmen as a device to avoid real argument which is obviously a skill beyond your reach. And once again I have been proved right.

“your ONLY base for this claim was that I support decriminalizing marijuana.”

Not at all. My basis for this claim were your boasts regarding your own use, as if it was something you were proud of. This is what I call glorifying.

You’re still building strawmen in a way that can only be described as manic. There has to be a reason for such feverish and constant deceit. I reiterate it is because you have no debating skills whatsoever.

Its funny how your best buddy Nasska is going on so frequently about what gross hypocrites religious people are, but is apparently prepared to make an exception in the most standout case on here and make you his friend. I suggest that unlike Nasska, if your flock knew of your unacceptably low standard of behaviour on here you would become a victim of ridicule in your own church. No man who held that being true to himself is his primary code could behave on here in the despicable and contemptible way you do.
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November 3, 2014 6:01pm
All_on_Red

Wat
You might like this post by Steyn about some of Mann’s claims of being “exonerated”.
http://www.steynonline.com/6102/the-unexonorated-mann

Court case starts again this month. Should be fun.
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November 3, 2014 6:11pm
stephieboy

The concern about the midterm congressionals is that if they go the way of the far right ( which is likely) then this could be a signal to stage a coup with the ultimate aim of establishing a Christian Caliphate with real FEMA camps for progs, libs, commies and all non Christians .

Mark my words .!
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November 3, 2014 6:29pm
nasska

Who are they likely to appoint as Head Camp Commandant stephieboy?

One of our fellow commenters comes to mind as a shoo-in for the job. 🙂
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November 3, 2014 6:33pm
Shawn Herles

“So you keep saying, but when asked to substantiate this claim, which I always doubted because of its absoluteness, and knowing EAD would not do that, you have failed.”

““EAD (1,138 comments) says:
October 18th, 2014 at 9:19 am

Stephie, if Putin is a thug then he is certainly the most intelligent, effective and patriotic thug in the world today.

Who would object to a similar individual in this country? I certainly wouldn’t – we desperately need it.””

Game. Set. Match. 🙂

“Not at all. My basis for this claim were your boasts regarding your own use, as if it was something you were proud of. This is what I call glorifying.”

Well, this will be easy. Produce the post where I said anything at all remotely like that Red.

I already know you can’t. 🙂
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November 3, 2014 6:36pm
Griff

Mann has been exonerated because his research has been repeatedly confirmed by many different avenues of research in the 16 years since the paper he is accused of fraudulently manufacturing was released.
Wat is still claiming some wrong doing despite 9 reports saying none.
😆
Yip wat in your little wing nut echo chamber maybe
meanwhile in the real world.
Mann continues to recieve awards and respect for his work.
In 2012, he was elected a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union and awarded the Hans Oeschger Medal of the European Geosciences Union for “his significant contributions to understanding decadal-centennial scale climate change over the last two millennia and for pioneering techniques to synthesize patterns and northern hemispheric time series of past climate using proxy data reconstructions.
Following election by the American Meteorological Society he became a new Fellow of the society in 2013. In January 2013 he was designated with the status of distinguished professor in Penn State’s College of Earth and Mineral Sciences.
In September 2013, Mann was named by Bloomberg Markets in its third annual list of the “50 Most Influential” people, included in a group of “thinkers” with reference to his work with other scientists on the hockey stick graph, his responses on the RealClimate blog “to climate change deniers”, and his book publications. Later that month, he received the National Wildlife Federation’s National Conservation Achievement Award for Science.
On 28 April 2014 the National Center for Science Education announced that its first annual Friend of the Planet award had been presented to Mann and Richard Alley.
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November 3, 2014 6:39pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie,

“The concern about the midterm congressionals is that if they go the way of the far right ( which is likely)”

Not really. The Republican Party is not Far Right. Much to Red’s annoyance.

“Then this could be a signal to stage a coup with the ultimate aim of establishing a Christian Caliphate with real FEMA camps for progs, libs, commies and all non Christians.”

And your evidence for this claim is…???
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November 3, 2014 6:42pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkefygywwpaqp0n/Climate%20Crap%207.jpg?dl=0
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November 3, 2014 6:42pm
big bruv

Brilliant!

It appears that the Chicago papers reported the game between the USA and “the worlds greatest ever sporting team” as being between the USA and Australia.

I guess that just proves that nobody apart from narrow minded Kiwis really care about the game of Rugby.
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November 3, 2014 6:43pm
dad4justice

Are you a narrow minded kiwi bigot blouse or just a narcissistic nutjob? Maybe you are both or are you hellbent on becoming a global village idiot ! Rugby is good.
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November 3, 2014 6:45pm
wat dabney

Oh dear Griff.

The fact is that Mann hasn’t been exonerated.

His notorious Hockeystick, most notably was thoroughly debunked years ago.

Even the IPCC has dropped it, knowing how worthless it is (though without acknowledging the problem of course.)

Here, in excruciating forensic detail, are examined his other baseless claims (let’s call them what they really are: lies) to have been exonerated:

http://climateaudit.org/2014/05/09/mann-misrepresents-the-epa-part-1/
http://climateaudit.org/2014/02/24/mann-misrepresents-the-uk-commons-committee/
http://climateaudit.org/2014/02/25/mann-misrepresents-the-uk-department-of-energy-and-climate-change/
http://climateaudit.org/2014/02/27/mann-misrepresents-noaa-oig/
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