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Nostradamus

Reid:

HOBM?

Howling Outside Bright’s Mansion – in other words, as you’d say, galloping mental!
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November 30, 2014 6:15pm
Johnboy

You must follow HOBM if you ever wish to understand milkey Reid! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:15pm
Johnboy

See I told you so! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:16pm
Johnboy

Jeeze milkey…I find it bloody hard to believe that the above chaps don’t know what HOBM means?

They have no class! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:18pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

I just pop over to LPrents place to get an insanity injection!

I don’t know about you, Johnboy, but masturbating over a post by LPrent called interwebbing isn’t my idea of fun. What’s the matter with you Johnboy?
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November 30, 2014 6:20pm
mikenmild

Johnboy
Only a true Wainui-o-martian would appreciate just how good HOB was in this year’s final.
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November 30, 2014 6:22pm
Reid

What I’d do with criminals is:

(a) abolish parole and require judges not to reduce their sentences but to continue passing the full length as they have been
(b) if anyone didn’t behave in every single way their detention required, then that day does not count against sentence served. If that means people stay inside till they die because they refuse to behave, I don’t care.
(c) first 2/3’s of a sentence is harsh, spartan and very physical. No TV, no heating in winter, work from 5AM till 6PM every single day. Again, if a prisoner doesn’t do that, that day is not deducted from sentence served.
(d) Eliminate violence inside by putting CCTV 24/7/365 into every single nook and cranny and if anyone lifts a finger against anyone else, it’s another 5 years. Do it again, it’s another 10 years. Served consecutively.
(e) last 1/3 of the sentence, things loosen up, and its rehab time.

There’s other things but that’s the basic outline. Do that and I guarantee crime rates will reduce.
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November 30, 2014 6:23pm
Nostradamus

But Reid – what about their human rights? 🙂

I mean, seriously, look at this crap from the United Nations Human Rights Committee (pontificating on New Zealand:

11.While noting the steps taken by the State party to address the risk of human rights violations in relation with the Corrections (Contract Management of Prisons) Amendment Bill 2009, the Committee reiterates its concern at the privatization of prison management. It remains concerned as to whether such privatization in an area where the State party is responsible for the protection of human rights of persons deprived of their liberty effectively meets the obligations of the State party under the Covenant and its accountability for any violations, irrespective of the safeguards in place. (arts. 2 and 10)

The State party should ensure that all persons deprived of their liberty are guaranteed all rights enshrined in the Covenant . In particular, all measures of privatization of prison management should continue to be closely monitored with a view to ensuring that under no circumstances can the State party’s responsibility for guaranteeing to all persons deprived of their liberty all Covenant rights, in particular those under article 10, be impeded.

What’s it to the United Nations if we privatise our prisons?
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November 30, 2014 6:24pm
Manolo

Aussie Lucy Lawless reckons he is “protesting”: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/30/former-wallabies-captain-david-pocock-chain-digger-coal-protest

Wallabies player David Pocock has chained himself to mining equipment in a protest against a new coal mine at Maules Creek in New South Wales. Pocock, an openside flanker for the Wallabies and a former team captain, “locked on” to a mining superdigger on Sunday morning in the middle of the site of the new mine alongside more than 30 other people to protest Whitehaven Coal’s new coal mine at Maules Creek.

The coal mine, which is due to ship its first coal in March 2015, has sparked a significant community backlash over environmental concerns about the development, with residents staging ongoing protests.
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November 30, 2014 6:25pm
Johnboy

But in his defence Nostradamus he did cut off after 50 clicks! 🙂

How many of us if we had a Womans name would do that….Fuckall I’d say.

We’d pretend we were macho chaps and never cut off! 🙂

Generally I always get to fifty before anything happens! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:27pm
mikenmild

Reid should join the ‘Sensible’ Sentencing Trust and try getting another MP elected. I think Garth McVicar had a run for the Conservatives last time out, didn’t he?
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November 30, 2014 6:29pm
Johnboy

I’m really pissed that Lucia seems to have gone off me….God knows why? 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:30pm
Johnboy

I’d luv to see some photo’s showing her legs in those leather boots! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:32pm
mikenmild

Lucia made it plain that she found Kiwiblog’s indulgence of Johnboy’s sexual harassment rather difficult.
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November 30, 2014 6:37pm
mikenmild

Cricket Australia has announced that next week’s test v India will be postponed. New dates yet to be determined.
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November 30, 2014 6:41pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

You may have seen Brendan McCullum’s statement yesterday before the start of play (as reported on Cricinfo – not sure the New Zealand media picked up on it):

“On behalf of the BLACKCAPS I want to make the following statement. Our focus at the moment is not on our performances, it is all about Phil. We are heartbroken for Phil’s family, Greg, Virginia, Megan and Jason. No one should go through what you guys are going through right now. We are reaching out to Phil’s family, Michael Clarke and the Australian boys, medical staff, fans, all who have been affected by Phil’s passing. We are also reaching out to Sean Abbott. You are all in our thoughts, our hearts and in Phil’s case, our memories. Cricket is a sport, but the cricket community is a family. We are here for you, we are thinking of you.”

A nice tribute.
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November 30, 2014 6:44pm
mikenmild

Thanks Nostradamus. I didn’t agree with the callers on Radio Sport today who were agreeing with the host that the present test was seeing the players just going through the motions.
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November 30, 2014 6:47pm
Longknives

Is ‘Johnboy’ Roger Sutton?
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November 30, 2014 6:49pm
Manolo

Actually, Johnboy is Blue Beard, Roger Sutton, John Holmes and Hugh Hefner all rolled into one.
I hear the cry: Pass the blue diamonds, please. 😀
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November 30, 2014 6:53pm
Johnboy

I’ve never sexually harassed Lucia Milkey. I have merely responded to her come-ons.

She’s a typical Catholic. Put’s it out there (long legs/thighboots) then when hubby finds out trys to pretend she didn’t chat me up!

I feel very sexually exploited by her! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 6:55pm
mikenmild

The Roger Sutton defence…
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November 30, 2014 6:58pm
Johnboy

But I never even got to slap her on the arse milkey. 🙂
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November 30, 2014 7:05pm
mikenmild

And now you’re unhappy that she is no longer here for you to tease. Well, I wonder why that is?
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November 30, 2014 7:07pm
Johnboy

I feel very deprived on that aspect. I suspect it will become a crucial turning point in my defence once FES takes over my case! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 7:08pm
Johnboy

You’re beginning to sound a lot like Perry Mason milkey?

That’s a worry! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 7:14pm
David Garrett

Milky: Be a good fellow and summarise in a para. or two what this “About Time” has to say about rehabilitation…

I will say at the outset that I regard Newbold’s pronouncements on this subject the definitive word: viz. no-one will get rehabilitated unless they want to, and if someone does want to change their ways there is ample opportunity to do so within the present system (and that view was prior to Anne Tolley’s earnest initiatives in this regard i.e there has always been the opportunity for prisoners to improve themselves…NB for example Mr Philip John Smith and his two uni degrees earned in prison…much good they did his rehab)

But I cant wait to hear the latest theory…
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November 30, 2014 7:17pm
Johnboy

It’s a real worry cause as we all know he took it up the arse! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 7:17pm
mikenmild

No DG, I won’t summarise it for you coz I haven’t read it in a long time. But I will find the link to it and post that if you are interested.
http://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/about_time.html
I don’t know whether it has anything to do with Newbold, but I agree that motivation to reform is critical.
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November 30, 2014 7:25pm
Reid

Yes I have a lot of time for Greg Newbold as well David. He’s about the only one in the whole system which fits that criteria. Apart from you, of course.
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November 30, 2014 7:25pm
Johnboy

What a wonderful GD it’s been today. A fair transference of opinion across the huge divide of weirdoes thoughts! 🙂

Night all! 🙂
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November 30, 2014 7:28pm
nasska

….” I agree that motivation to reform is critical.”….

Therefore by extension the interim conditions, hard labour, in fact anything beyond basic humane incarceration & the absence of torture is completely unimportant. We could actually go so far as to think that modern, feel good, wrap around love could well be counter productive because it takes away the incentive to reform.
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November 30, 2014 7:37pm
mikenmild

I would not agree with your definition of humane incarceration, nasska.
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November 30, 2014 7:39pm
nasska

Fair enough…..can you expand on what you would consider to be “humane”?

Edit: I personally go along with Reid’s 6.23pm except that provision of heating is both necessary & humane.
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November 30, 2014 7:45pm
mikenmild

I’d probably go for international standards, as presently applied in NZ. I don’t think prison is a soft option and most people sent there couldn’t care less if it were made harsher. Prisons only scare honest people.
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November 30, 2014 7:50pm
Reid

Therefore by extension the interim conditions, hard labour, in fact anything beyond basic humane incarceration & the absence of torture is completely unimportant.

No, to the contrary, they’re critical.

This is because humans are driven by two forces and every single thing can ultimately be boiled down to one or the other of these. Pain or pleasure.

This applies across cultures, it’s part of our DNA.

And with respect to those forces, the drive to avoid pain is ten times stronger than the drive to seek pleasure.

The fact we’ve made incarceration basically just a nothing if you’re an experienced crim, is the reason why we have so many crims. They don’t give a fuck. 5 years? Whatever. Up you, Judge. Do that on my head. That’s why they keep doing it.

However, if we had a system whereby when the Judge said 5 years and they cast their mind back to the last 2 year stretch they did and the thought of that doubled made sweat break out on their brow, then we wouldn’t have a whole hell of a lot of crime anymore.

Thing is, when the Victorians did it, they understood nothing about the distinction between spartan and brutal. These days, we do. What we need is a system that makes it spartan, but not brutal. That’s why in my 6.23 I would eliminate violence from inmates, because brutalising in the form of bashings and rapes, is why we have so many angry inmates. Get rid of that. THAT is what is not civilised. Spartan conditions are perfectly civil and acceptable for punishment purposes. Brutality whether intended or not, whether inflicted by the system or by fellow inmates, is not.

The central point is: if we had a spartan system that was hard, IT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE INMATES TO MAKE THE DECISION TO CHANGE. Today’s system clearly doesn’t do that. It’s not rocket science.
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November 30, 2014 7:51pm
Keeping Stock

Yes – it’s true that to date a retrial of John Banks has not yet been confirmed.

But given the intense public interest in this case – do YOU think it would be a ‘good look’ for the Solicitor-General NOT to proceed?

The Crown’s “star witness” against Banks is now tainted Penny. They are certainly not going to put Dotcom on the stand again when he faces the very real prospect of being returned to prison for having allegedly breached THREE of his bail conditions, having failed to disclose a conviction for dangerous driving, and having attempted to use a forged letter to smear John Key. Banks’ lawyer would have a field day on cross-examination, and Banks wouldn’t have to give evidence because the Judge would throw out the case at the end of the Crown’s evidence.

Suck it up Penny; John Banks is a free man. And for all his faults and eccentricities, at least he pays his rates…
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November 30, 2014 7:57pm
mikenmild

NZ all out for 690.
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November 30, 2014 8:00pm
nasska

I’d wager that most of the brutality in prisons occurs because you have a relatively young, fit & already violent section of the scum of society sitting around bored shitless with untold time on their hands.

I couldn’t give a stuff if they spent fourteen hours a day 7 days a week carrying bags of sand across a yard & then carrying them back again. A few years of that & the memories of prison would keep them awake at nights for years after.
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November 30, 2014 8:02pm
David Garrett

milky: “..prisons only scare honest people” You might well be right…but that’s the whole point; central heating; a TV if your rellies buy it; no requirement to work; three squares a day cooked by someone else…who’d be scared of that? Particularly if on the outside you have the IRD after you for child support, two screeching “missus'” wanting you to play some part in the upbringing of your six brats…

We haven’t been TRYING to scare people in prison for 50 years…since the Hanan reforms of the 60’s

Perhaps hard labour for 12 hours a day (and if you refuse, solitary and #1 diet until you change your mind) and a cold cell in Mt Eden with a slop bucket in the corner might make it a rather more scary place to go…and do wonders for recidivism…And you can’t say I am wrong Milky, cause it hasn’t been tried…but much more liberal regimes have been, and they were uniformly disastrous…I recommend to you Newbold’s paper “Another one bites the dust”…which examines Workman’s spectacularly unsuccessful “Te Hara Hou” program from 20 years ago…And what does Workman recommend now? More of the same!!
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November 30, 2014 8:03pm
stigie

Heading for a draw do you think Milky ?
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November 30, 2014 8:07pm
mikenmild

I’m not interested in a debate that you are convinced you have already won, DG. I do ask that people consider what has been demonstrated to work with offenders. Workman was, I believe, behind the faith-based unit at Rimutaka – another failure and widely predicted to be one. You have previously expressed your scepticism about programme for child-sex offender but have yet to demonstrate that they are failures. I believe prison policies, like other policies, should be guided by what is known to work.
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November 30, 2014 8:08pm
mikenmild

No stigie, I think NZ could press for a win, but we need a couple of wickets before lunch to get going.
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November 30, 2014 8:10pm
David Garrett

Well Milky I’m afraid “what has been known to work” is precisely nothing..unless offenders are motivated.

I am sceptical about our sex offender programs for one simple reason: they claim a success rate – measured by a lack of reconviction – far better than anywhere else in the world. That means one of two things: down here in little ol’ Noo Zealand we have discovered a world beating method of treating sex offenders…or our programmes fudge the figures…

Which do you think more likely, Mr ex PSA man?
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November 30, 2014 8:16pm
stigie

Well Milky 13/1. Might have 3 by lunchtime ?
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November 30, 2014 8:16pm
nasska

Or as you have mentioned previously DG, the measured length of time over which re offending may have occurred.

Almost all offenders wouldn’t have have re-offended after two weeks but the ten year rate is probably shocking.
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November 30, 2014 8:21pm
Reid

I’m not interested in a debate that you are convinced you have already won, DG.

No. That’s the problem with you lefties isn’t it. You lefties refuse to discuss anything which goes against the Karl dialectic because you’re [wrongly] convinced HE had the answer and anything which goes against it is heresy.

Which is why society hasn’t got anywhere since you lefties convinced a fluctuating segment of the public that you really, in fact, do know what you’re talking about.

Seriously, if 99.9% of the media weren’t lifelong galloping mentals on your side, you would never be elected, because 100% of your philosophy goes against not just logic but humanity itself and it’s only the dedicated propaganda apparatchiks who now and then, overcome that, which keeps you guys in business.

Sadly.

Well Milky I’m afraid “what has been known to work” is precisely nothing..unless offenders are motivated.

Exactly. So the question is: how does one get offenders “motivated?” (See my 7.51 for one possible solution. It’s the debate we’ve never had, which we should have.)
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November 30, 2014 8:23pm
mikenmild

And when it is shown not to work then something different should be done with such offenders. As I understand it, the programmes are not purporting to ‘cure’ offenders but rather to modify their behaviour so that they don’t get in further trouble or create further victims.

I’m no expert, but Corrections consciously chose a model guided by psychological theory and has demonstrated that programmes that are not working can be stopped.
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November 30, 2014 8:24pm
mikenmild

Read that link Reid, or would it get in the way of reading about a vast left wing Jewish conspiracy?
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November 30, 2014 8:25pm
David Garrett

Nasska: Yes, that’s the most common way they fudge it…If you ever see “X% remained offence/conviction free” without more, alarms bells should ring… But you still see that shit trotted out, and the 12 year old reporters don’t call them on it…
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November 30, 2014 8:26pm
David Garrett

Actually I think it’s the Maori names for these programmes that do it…they invoke the wairua of the tupuna of the “clients”…They – the tupuna – come back to visit the clients in their cells…and tell them that if they don’t reform they will get some traditional Maori justice…a patu in the back of the head…that’s the secret…. Of course the disadvantage is the results cant be replicated overseas because the tupuna don’t travel…they must stay linked to Aotearoa…
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November 30, 2014 8:30pm
mikenmild

I think there might be something in tailoring programmes towards the culture that produces over half the inmates…
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November 30, 2014 8:32pm
Reid

Read that link Reid

Does it address the pain and pleasure motivations for every single human being on the planet mm?

No?

Won’t work then, will it.

Case closed.

and tell them that if they don’t reform they will get some traditional Maori justice…a patu in the back of the head…that’s the secret…

Pain vs pleasure David?

Looks like Maori know a bit more about it than this govt or the UN, doesn’t it. Who’da thunk.
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November 30, 2014 8:33pm
nasska

….”a patu in the back of the head”…

That is probably Workman’s secret yet unleashed weapon against re offending. 🙂
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November 30, 2014 8:33pm
mikenmild

It is a shame that Reid is not a fan of psychological research but, then again, he thinks the Russians beating the Germans in WWII was a terrible tragedy so I shan’t concern myself with his opinion on anything.
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November 30, 2014 8:36pm
mikenmild

Two down stigie…
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November 30, 2014 8:37pm
David Garrett

Milky: Yep, that’s a reasonable assumption…except that’s been tried too, both here and in other jurisdictions…the Californians have tried programs in Spanish delivered by Hispanic “leaders” and referencing Mexican cultural norms; and programs solely staffed by blacks using “black culture”…None of them were any more effective than nothing over the long term…

But as I say, perhaps down here we have discovered the holy grail of rehabilitation, particularly of sex offenders..(and you are right: they don’t aim to “cure” them, just to prevent re-offending…as I say, the success rate is supposedly two or three times better than anywhere else in the world..)
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November 30, 2014 8:42pm
Reid

It is a shame that Reid is not a fan of psychological research [wrong] but, then again, he thinks the Russians beating the Germans in WWII was a terrible tragedy [wrong] so I shan’t concern myself with his opinion on anything.

(a) Thank fuck for that.
(b) Is that because you’re losing the argument like an ME109 heading to the ground during the Battle of Britain?
(c) Try not to hallucinate you know what I think because you don’t.
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November 30, 2014 8:43pm
publicwatchdog

ummmm …. Kim Dotcom at this stage has not yet been CONVICTED of the allegations that he is facing?

Remember?

Being CHARGED with an offence is NOT the same as being CONVICTED of that offence?

CriKEY Kiwibloggers – this is fairly basic LAW 101 – sort of thing??

Also – the ‘evidence’ of these rather mysterious American businessmen has yet to be tested in Court.

Can’t wait for ‘honest’ John Banks to be skewered on the stand under cross-examination, whilst under oath ….

Oh – that’s right.

Given John Banks’ proven track record in Court – that’s unlikely to happen?

Whatever happened to the ‘personal responsibility’ mantra of the ACT Party John Banks used to lead?

Oh – that’s right, John Banks was never really a REAL ACT Party person – he was part of the National Party “B” Team who took over ACT in the Don Brash coup.

So – no real expectations of John Banks ‘walking’ what was never really HIS ‘talk’?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

Penny Bright
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November 30, 2014 8:45pm
mikenmild

Three down…
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November 30, 2014 8:46pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wa64ho9x2dornkc/7months.jpg?dl=0
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November 30, 2014 8:48pm
publicwatchdog

In my view – it’s the ‘white collar’ criminals who escape prison who are the ‘scum of the earth’.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 30, 2014 8:51pm
stigie

Who cares Penny….the cricket is on !~
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November 30, 2014 8:59pm
Nookin

Dotcom hasn’t been convicted but is a credible witness. Banks hasn’t been convicted but is scum of the earth who should be in jail. Mmmm. Factual and logical disconnects here?
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November 30, 2014 9:03pm
Reid

In my view – it’s the ‘white collar’ criminals who escape prison who are the ‘scum of the earth’.

In that case Penny you should read that book I gave in my 3.16. Rather than chasing windmills.
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November 30, 2014 9:15pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

In my view – it’s the ‘white collar’ criminals who escape prison who are the ‘scum of the earth’.

No, Penny, it’s people like this piece of shit who are scum of the earth:

A computer gamer admitted abusing his son and leaving him in a “critical” condition, while playing a violent video game.

We’re talking here about a five-week old baby.

So what did this piece of shit do?

X-rays revealed a large fracture to his skull, along with more than 20 other fractures all over his body, leaving him in a “critical” condition.
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“CT scans confirmed a significant injury to his skull and brain resulting in heavy bleeding,” court documents said.

He then underwent numerous operations to control blood loss and swelling to his brain.

Further x-rays and scans were obtained and a further 30 fractures were found, eight to the boy’s ribs, several to both thighs, both lower legs, shoulder and his pelvis.

He also had a lacerated spleen.

I call people like this scum of the earth. For goodness sake, Penny, please get some perspective.
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November 30, 2014 9:23pm
Nostradamus

Wow – a downtick – someone actually disagrees with what I wrote?

Right. So, in that person’s warped mind, white-collar crime is worse than beating up a defenceless five-week-old baby to the point of requiring intensive care surgery. I see.
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November 30, 2014 9:29pm
Nookin

Nostradamus
You are forgetting that as far as Penny is concerned, “perspective” is a description of the see thru shield carried by the riot police when they move her ladyship and mates on.
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November 30, 2014 9:33pm
Reid

Wow – a downtick – someone actually disagrees with what I wrote?

No, it’s not your argument Nosty, it’s what you personally represent to people who feel threatened by you yourself as personified by the views you express here. My current theory is they probably have a small penis, poor bastards, and they’re incredibly jealous so they’re lashing out at everything that moves because they don’t know what else to do.
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November 30, 2014 9:35pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

It’s DPF’s blog – and therefore his prerogative – but I personally think that karma voting should be more transparent. Transparency could be achieved by running your mouse over an uptick or downtick and seeing who actually voted in a particular way. I note Whaleoil’s blog does that for upticks – but apparently not for downticks.

What seems to have happened is that people vote up or down depending on their personal view of the commentator – regardless of the merits of the particular comment. No follow-up comment to express disagreement with the particular comment. No, just a downvote. Someone obviously doesn’t like me – well, whoop-di-doo, I can accept that fact and still sleep well at night.

But I don’t think that’s what DPF had in mind when he introduced the voting feature.

What do others think?
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November 30, 2014 9:44pm
Nookin

Didn’t have to work hard for that wicket!
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November 30, 2014 9:49pm
Nookin

Reid

Small or none at all.
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November 30, 2014 9:50pm
Nostradamus

Absolutely Nookin – Pakistan are now reeling at 36/4.

Which prompts me to ask: when did New Zealand last win a test match by an innings?
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November 30, 2014 9:50pm
Rachael Membery

Nostradamus (3,452 comments) says:

November 30th, 2014 at 9:29 pm

Probably just Penny disagreeing with you disagreeing with her, not on the subject, one hopes.
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November 30, 2014 10:01pm
Reid

I personally think that karma voting should be more transparent.

Yeah I’m with you there Nosty.

Nookin, I was being kind. I think their ones are probably inverted. Oh the humanity!
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November 30, 2014 10:06pm
Nookin

Two rational observations, Nostradamus. Two down ticks. What are the possibilities?
1. Someone doesnt like you.
2. Someone doesn’t want anyone to know that he/she is a serial downticker.
3. Even a mention of Whaleoil incites condemnation.
4. The baby’s dad had a deprived upbringing and needs love and understanding.
5. Johnboy doesn’t really want to know who his mysterious minus is in case it’s Judith, Penny or some else upon who he has bestowed lascivious comment.
6. Your son/daughter is fed up with you using his/her ipad while on the bog.
7. Andrew Little thinks you are John Key.
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November 30, 2014 10:07pm
IC5000

“Zapper (1,034 comments) says:
November 30th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Well a very bad day for the state of Victoria, with the Liberal-National government voted out after 1 term, and now we have Labor-Greens.”

Hopefully it’s a canary in the mine scenario for the federal elections. Shorten is a lack luster leader but the ALP is leading the polls federally. I live in NSW so I don’t follow VIC politics that much but with the ICAC corruption investigation of the Liberal party leading to the forced resignation at 10(??) liberal MP’s it’s not looking good.

Good times!
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November 30, 2014 10:14pm
Nookin

West Indies. Last season. Innings and 70 odd.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_Test_cricket_victories#73_v_West_Indies_at_Wellington_2013.2F14_NZ_won_by_an_innings_and_73_runs
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November 30, 2014 10:17pm
Nookin

IC5000
You could invite Russel Norman home. It could be his only chance to play for a winning team.
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November 30, 2014 10:20pm
stigie

5 down…Fuck, this is too easy !~
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November 30, 2014 10:46pm
stigie

Why does that downtick point to being Pennys Nostra…..surely not ?
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November 30, 2014 10:53pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

I think the beef vindaloo they ate for lunch might have been too hot for them to handle. That’s the theory I’m going with anyway. There was a wicket in the first over after lunch. So, yes, lunch it is – unless someone has a better explanation for Pakistan’s batting collapse?
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November 30, 2014 10:54pm
stigie

“unless someone gas a better explanation for Pakistan’s batting collapse”?

They just cant handle a flat wicket there Nostra…….!!
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November 30, 2014 10:58pm
Nostradamus

Sorry, Stigie, I thought gas and food might have come across as a fart joke (which wasn’t what I intended) – and probably would have had someone accuse me of racism, or something worse, so I had to edit my comment!
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November 30, 2014 11:00pm
stigie

Beryl was just here and now hes gone ??
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November 30, 2014 11:04pm
Nostradamus

I think you (or Beryl) must have had one drink too many!
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November 30, 2014 11:06pm
stigie

( Hic )
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November 30, 2014 11:19pm
Manolo

Far worse than animals: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/couple-accused-of-keeping-boy-behind-fake-wall/ar-BBgaprN?ocid=mailsignout
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December 1, 2014 6:31am
Nookin

Interesting, though, that the neighbours say he was part of the family, came visiting and seemed quite normal.
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