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Reid

I think Whale got it right when he made the true if unoriginal comment that with spy powers you ask for more than you need then wait for the lefty fools to rend their clothes and then you wind it back, pretend you were listening, and pass what you wanted to get all along.

Donning the hard hat through which no sentiment or lefty human wights bullshit passes in which you’d ruthlessly murder dear old grandma in a heartbeat if that’s what it took to save 4 million souls and considering thusly what the SIS need to combat this threat: they need those instant powers.

Pretty much, IMO, if you’re on the SIS’ list of interesting people, you’ve done something worthy of instant and full attention. If that means breaking into your house and putting in cameras which catch you having a wank, attempting to contact OBL from beyond the grave for instructions, or whatever, who gives a shit, if the very next thing you do is go out to Westfield and cut off the head of the nearest person.

And that’s the threat.

Sorry, it is.

Sorry, but it really fucking well is.

Sorry, BUT WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT: “THAT’S WHAT THE THREAT IS?”

It says a whole hell of a lot about the useless people in our useless media organisations doesn’t it that this hasn’t occurred to not a single one of all these morons who are paid to think about this stuff on a 9-5 basis.

Of course the authorities can’t spell that out since that would scare people. People seriously would become terrified. Terrorists win. Without firing a shot. That’s why they don’t do it.

Media’s job is to point this out. Do they? Don’t make me fucking laugh.
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November 29, 2014 9:04pm
Nostradamus

Fugitive killer Phillip Smith back in NZ

Recaptured murderer and paedophile Phillip Smith will be locked up for 23 hours a day in isolation, as authorities anticipate possible retribution from other inmates.
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The ban had not made Smith a popular inmate, Corrections northern region commissioner Jeanette Burns said.

“While most prisoners have accepted that we needed to temporarily suspend temporary releases it would be fair to say that there are some prisoners who are not happy that the actions of Mr Smith have interrupted their rehabilitation process.”

I suspect many (if not all) of the other prisoners will be very disappointed with this decision.

Human rights, as we all know, are important. How do we know this? Because the United Nations says they are, and because New Zealand has signed up to various international agreements, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

And, because of how down he’s feeling, Smith’s human rights are extremely important.

I suspect the other prisoners will be united in their view that Smith can’t be locked up for 23 hours a day. Other prisoners will want Smith to mix and mingle with them in captivity, so they can look after his human rights, in the same way that Smith looked after the human rights of his crime victims.
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November 29, 2014 9:46pm
Viking2

A teacher asked the children in her 3rd year class, “What do you want to be when you grow up?”

Little Johnny answered first. “I want to start out as an S.A.S. officer, go to the Middle East and kill loads of militant Muslims, return as a national hero, then become a billionaire, go to the most expensive clubs, find me the finest nymphomaniac tart, give her a Ferrari, an apartment in Copacabana, a mansion in Paris, a jet to travel throughout Europe, an Infinite Visa Card, and all the while banging her like a loose screen door in a hurricane.”

The teacher, shocked, and not knowing what to do with this unfortunate response from little Johnny, decided not to acknowledge what he said and simply tried to continue with the lesson.

“And how about you, Sarah?”

“I want to be Johnny’s tart!”
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November 29, 2014 9:47pm
Reid

Other prisoners will want Smith to mix and mingle with them in captivity, so they can look after his human rights, in the same way that Smith looked after the human rights of his crime victims.

Nosty Smith’s fellow inmates are pissed off at one thing and one thing only: the fact Smith has cast light on the release integration program and they don’t want that at all.

Fact is, Smith like many others, after committing horrendous crimes against others, have been living amongst these same people with narry a worry, until he upsets “the community.”

The fact Smith and many others who have done similar, are able to live like this, until they do something like what Smith did, says a whole hell of a lot about the people who live amongst him, and not in a good way.

If this society was at all normal, people who murder, rape, etc would be pariahs, period, from day one, forever, in prison. People like Smith would need 24/7/365 segregation for their entire sentences. The only people who wouldn’t need seg would be robbers, thieves, druggies, the odd desperado, etc.

This is what it should be like.

The elephant has been sliced. Society has changed, as witnessed by the treatment people like Smith get amongst their kind, these days. Or used to, until he fucked up.

And isn’t it interesting, that the punishment he’ll now be under threat for, is again a symptom of the disease.

As in, if these bastards in there who are after Smith now, why the fuck weren’t they after him before, for what he did?

What?

Everything’s OK, till it affects you?

Is that it?

That’s what I mean Nosty. This place we call “our lives” has cancer. And we haven’t done anything about it. And I’m not just talking about the crims.
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November 29, 2014 10:09pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

Nosty Smith’s fellow inmates are pissed off at one thing and one thing only: the fact Smith has cast light on the release integration program and they don’t want that at all.

I completely agree. You probably detected that my 9:46pm comment was dripping with sarcasm.

As I understand it, paedophiles aren’t exactly flavour of the month in prison, but that’s really another way of saying paedophiles are the worst of a bad bunch in maximum security.

One would think that Smith won’t be appearing before the Parole Board anytime soon, but our criminal justice system works in strange ways, so who knows. It wouldn’t surprise me, though, if Smith tries to make something of his 23-hour-a-day confinement. He knows how to work “the system” to his advantage. As I could see it, he could only do so on human rights grounds. Hopefully those who we entrust with “looking after” prisoners won’t be fooled next time.
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November 29, 2014 10:20pm
Reid

i>Hopefully those who we entrust with “looking after” prisoners won’t be fooled next time.

What I think would be incredibly helpful is if those who are entrusted to be closest to the process: lawyers, prison staff including guards, counselors, psychologists, judges, victims and selected members from the families of the crims were all given the task of designing something which would in their opinion cut the mustard, free from political interference. Just as an intellectual exercise.

That wouldn’t be the actual solution, but it might start to surface the problems. Maybe some of us would be surprised and maybe some of us wouldn’t.

But if it was free from politics, it might cast some light, into the darkness.
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November 29, 2014 10:34pm
mikenmild

Well Reid, according to people such as David Garrett, there hasn’t been enough politics in our justice system. I mean, he was MP for the ‘Sensible’ Sentencing Trust and how did that work out?
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November 29, 2014 11:05pm
Reid

mm, trust you noticed, I didn’t mention politicians in my suggested exercise. That wasn’t an accident.
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November 29, 2014 11:09pm
mikenmild

So you would have been all aboard with the ‘About Time’ report of the late 1990s or early 2000s?
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November 29, 2014 11:11pm
SPC

Josh Forman.

https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/the-very-odd-slightly-left-of-centre/
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November 29, 2014 11:15pm
Reid

So you would have been all aboard with the ‘About Time’ report of the late 1990s or early 2000s?

Evidently mm, as in, the facts are, as in: evidence, nothing much changed.

Facts facts facts.

Change change change.

Nothing nothing nothing.

Normally mm, when that sequence occurs, I don’t pay much attention. Since there are no results, no rubber on the road, nada, zip, zero.

So I can honestly say mm I’ve never even heard of this report, but why don’t you tell us all about it, FWIW.
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November 29, 2014 11:21pm
mikenmild

It introduced a standardised psychological methodology for dealing with criminals. Got a bit blurred by the cries to lock ’em up longer. If you are interested, it is only a simple Google away.
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November 29, 2014 11:30pm
Nostradamus

This is an interesting comment on Cricinfo regarding the test match between New Zealand and Pakistan:

Rowan Morrell: “To the best of my knowledge, there has never been an instance of two New Zealanders scoring a double-century in the same Test innings. The closest we got was in 1991 when Martin Crowe scored 299 and Andrew Jones 186. There appear to have been 16 instances of two batsmen scoring a double-century in the same Test innings: four by Australia, four by Sri Lanka, three by Pakistan, two by the West Indies and one each by England, South Africa and India.” You’re right, this – if and when it happens – will be the first time two New Zealanders have achieved it in the same innings.

Brendan McCullum scored 202 (off 188 balls) and, as at the tea break, Kane Williamson is currently sitting on 192* (off 243 balls).

The innings run rate is also impressive – currently 4.92 runs per over (and it was over 6 for most of yesterday when McCullum and Williamson attacked the bowling with intent).
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November 29, 2014 11:58pm
Nostradamus

Oh bugger – Williamson was caught in slips first ball after tea – so that’s 192 off 244 balls for him – a great innings.

And Corey Anderson continues:

100.2 Yasir Shah to Anderson, SIX, wow. Down the track, and he’s swung that away, out of the rough, over midwicket, and out of the stadium.

Yasir’s only reaction to that shot was to look at Corey and give him a wide, almost uncomprehending grin. It’s a small ground, but that was a massive hit anywhere. They’ve managed to find the ball in a petrol station just outside the ground.

Now that’s what I call a maximum!
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November 30, 2014 12:12am
Nookin

Nostradamus@ 11.58
I wondered who put the mockers on him!
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November 30, 2014 7:09am
RF

Just found a photograph of Delahunty, the pin up girl from the Greens.

She could do with a few early nights as she looks more worse for wear than one of Johnboys daggy girl friends
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