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Manolo

@kowtow: Not in vain the incompetent Messiah is called The Manchurian President.
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November 28, 2014 2:08pm
wikiriwhis business

British but the message is still important after Rogernomics destroying manufacturing in NZ. And why is the National Party and supporters impressed with a so called lefty ????????????

The Tories have privatised East Coast Rail, flogging it to tax dodging Virgin. In five years of public ownership it paid £1bn back into the public purse. That money will now be going offshore.

This government is run by millionaires, for millionaires. They don’t listen to public opinion, so we have to make them listen through actions.

Get organised, get creative and get active. If you’re in London join Fuel Poverty Action tomorrow > http://on.fb.me/1xKLA4y
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November 28, 2014 2:18pm
Rachael Membery

wikiriwhis business (4,133 comments) says:

November 28th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

Why was it inappropriate contact between John Key and Cameron Slater?

God knows he is now not allowed to have direct contact with people and if he was to ‘talk’ through his office that would be found to be suspect too.

God save us from a PM who has to live in a bubble.

I think John Key needs to talk to Cameron Slater more. Cameron Slater may be the only person John Key needs to talk to, to know what is going on!!!
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November 28, 2014 2:18pm
Jinky

I don’t care about John Key texting Cameron Slater or anyone else. What I care about is his difficulty in telling the truth about it. He was popular with the public because he wasn’t a career politician and seemed different. Now he’s starting to look just like all the rest. It’s a shame because he did seem like a change for the better when he first arrived on the scene.
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November 28, 2014 2:18pm
wikiriwhis business

According to the Times of London Dick Cheney and George Bush knew Gitmo prisoners were innocent according to documents filed in a recent law suit

http://www.nydailynews.com/…/george-bush-dick-cheney-knew-g…
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November 28, 2014 2:26pm
publicwatchdog

My prediction was wrong about John Banks not being granted his Appeal.

I am rather surprised at the decision – to say the least.

John Banks didn’t know that Kim Dotcom was / had made donation(s) to his 2010 Mayoral campaign, when John Banks signed off his candidate’s return?

Seriously?

However, I am very pleased that on the issue of full disclosure of political donations, there is growing awareness of the need for far greater transparency and accountability.

Also – Court proceedings on this matter, are still not over ……..

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 2:45pm
Redbaiter

“That money will now be going offshore.”

Where do you want it to go?

Into the hands of vote buying leftist politicians who will use it to further degrade our society?
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November 28, 2014 2:47pm
Gulag1917

How Police Rules of Engagement Differ Around the World
http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/11/how-police-rules-of-engagement-differ-around-the-world/383188/
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November 28, 2014 2:57pm
wat dabney

ngatimozart,

“How many of you who are anti climate change have actually read any of the science behind the anthropogenic climate change theory? If you did were you able to understand and grasp the principles that are being discussed?”

Yes, the theory is very simple. In fact, that’s its very problem: it’s too simple. It is positively trite. It doesn’t account for the fact that climate is a complex chaotic system with infinite feedbacks and affected by multiple cycles which sometimes act to cancel each other and at other times to amplify. It imagines instead that the temperature is controlled by a trace element, CO2.

“It is very complicated to say the least and multidisciplinary.”

No, it isn’t. It isn’t complicated and it isn’t multidisciplinary. In fact, its noticeable that scientists from other disciplines, such as geologists, are most likely to dismiss this childishly simplistic theory.

“When you claim that forecasts about climate change have been proven wrong don’t look at it over a single year because that year could be an abberation. With climate related issues you have to take a long view and 100 years is a far better data set than 1 or 10 years.”

Why would 100 years be better? The earth was only recently recovering from the Little Ice Age, of course there was recent warming. You need to show maybe 10,000 years of climate history. The problem for alarmists is that, when you do that, the recent climate behaviour is exposed as being completely indistinguishable from what has gone before.
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November 28, 2014 3:18pm
Manolo

Love Islamic-way: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/child-bride-killed-husband-with-rat-poison/ar-BBg3TyR?ocid=mailsignout

A teenage girl is accused of murdering her 35-year-old husband and three others by lacing food she had prepared for a post-marriage celebration with rat poison.

Wasila Tasi’u allegedly asked a seven-year-old to buy the poison from a nearby shop – hours before the four people died suddenly after eating the same meal on 5 April. Prosecutors believe the 14-year-old had regretted her marriage to Umar Sani, a farmer with several wives, and was looking for a way out.
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November 28, 2014 4:11pm
Nookin

“I don’t care about John Key texting Cameron Slater or anyone else. What I care about is his difficulty in telling the truth about it.”
I have not really followed this debate, nor have I formed any opinion on whether Key was lying or not – mainly because I did not listen to the questioning on the house and I have not had the chance to listen to Key’s explanation.

The one thing I have noted, however, is the text of the exchange between Slater & Key. The exchange is quite innocuous. It does not suggest that there has been any ongoing communication. What it clearly shows is that Mr Goff was in breach of the embargo. As days wore on, it also became patently clear that Mr Goff misled his leader and the public by minimising the extent of his disclosure.

My question, for those who suggest that all of the evidence pointed to Key lying, is why would he want to suppress any knowledge of the existence of the text exchange when his answer to the question in Parliament could quite easily have been “Yes, I did receive an unsolicited email from Mr Slater stating that Mr Goff had, in his inimitable fashion, disclosed an embargoed and confidential report”.
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November 28, 2014 4:50pm
publicwatchdog

Have you heard this Kiwibloggers?

The former GCSB Director, is very critical of the new terrorist fighters bill, and the increasing potential of ‘politicised’ fishing expeditions by spy agencies.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20159007/former-gcsb-director-critical-of-new-terrorist-fighters-law

Both the SIS and GCSB have proven that they can’t be trusted to follow their underpinning statutory duties, and the Public Watchdogs who are supposed to hold them accountable, in my considered opinion, have NOT.

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 5:09pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1411/S00320/submission-countering-terrorist-fighters-legislation-bill.htm

Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill

Read the submission by the Privacy Commissioner to the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade select committee on the Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill. The document can be viewed here.

Scoop copy 20141127Selectcommitteesubmission.pdf

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Introduction

The Bill has been introduced on an urgent basis to address particular issues with respect to the emerging risks posed by foreign terrorist fighters.

As well as addressing the counter-terrorism functions of agencies such as the SIS and the Police, I note the opportunity is also taken to enhance measures by which the SIS can carry out its general security functions. For example the SIS will gain visual surveillance powers and emergency powers that may be exercised without a warrant. It is a significant step to confer these powers on the security intelligence service.

It is vital in my view to ensure that appropriate process safeguards are included for these expanded powers.

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FYI Kiwibloggers

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 5:31pm
twofish

Nookin, agreed

Key claims he fumbled the answer in Question Time because it was a double question, Chisolm Report and Gwyn Report, and sufficient uproar that he didn’t heard properly.
Which would seem possible since the answer was a “trump” card.

Little, believing Key and Slater had discussed the Gwyn Report, had earlier urged the texts be made public, not knowing in fact the extent of the discussion to be that Slater had confirmation from two journalists that Goff had leaked the report. That Key didn’t deliver on that to his advantage must certainly go someway to support the argument he didn’t lie, he just hadn’t heard the question properly.

A further irony is that most media reports rave on about the “lies” told – Key’s difficulty in answering, but few actually report what the actual texts said, still leaving the impression Slater was leaking the report, when he was informing the Prime Minister that Goff had already done that.
The main stream media is miserably biased.
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November 28, 2014 5:35pm
stephieboy

Tom Hunter, apart from playing your usual whinging political mind games over Obamacare ,it would be nice to here from you constructive alternatives that will deliver affordable health care to all Americans of the kind we experience here and those who live North of their border.
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November 28, 2014 5:56pm
Viking2

A little bit of interesting history in pictures for those with Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/624647914290150/photos/a.624658607622414.1073741829.624647914290150/731619996926274/?type=1&theater
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November 28, 2014 5:57pm
stigie

Do you think you might go after Phil Goff Penny ?

In my considered opinion you should !~
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November 28, 2014 6:18pm
Travis Poulson

Oh well, I guess Penny makes the trifecta of of disappointed courtroom ornaments. Dotcom, McCready and Bright.

One claims he’s broke. One is in rates arrears of over $33,000 including legal costs. One is bankrupt.
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November 28, 2014 6:33pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/crown-wants-dotcom-jailed-bail-hearing-continues-vy-166068

Crown wants Dotcom jailed as bail hearing continues

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What Dotcom argued

Mr Dotcom’s new lawyer, Ron Mansfield, had argued there was no jurisdiction for the order the Crown had made and said it was “disingenuous” for the Crown to amend the application today.

He pointed out there was no ability to arrest Mr Dotcom as the non-association condition was only in place for a matter of months and was not a current bail condition. She should have asked for a warrant to arrest Mr Dotcom, rathern than “ambushing” him last week.

Mr Mansfield said that she had also not complied with the bail laws because the court needed to hear evidence on oath from the Crown.

“This court no matter what has no jurisdiction to hear an application to revoke the respondent’s bail.”

He said in any event, there was no clear evidence that there was a breach of current or former conditions.

The lawyer argued the “edited commmunications” provided by the FBI that didn’t prove anything and criticised the Crown for not making the full transcripts available to him. He said most of the comments which Ms Gordon relied on in evidence have smiley faces next to them, which indicates they are jokes between people and cannot be taken seriously.

“On every level, every legal level and every factual level, the applicant’s application to revoke bail fails. In my submission it should not have been brought.”

The lawyer said that there was no evidence from the cross-examination of Mr Dotcom that backed the assertion that there was no association.

Mr Mansfield also stressed Baboom had not gone live and Mr Dotcom’s involvement with Baboom did not involve association with Mr Bencko.

He also addressed Crown contentions that Mr Dotcom spent too much time gaming and wasn’t focused on his case.

“Gaming is a bit like another individual playing tennis and to suggest that someone plays tennis while they are on bail on proceedings on which they have spent $10 million on lacks credibility.”

Mr Mansfield will continue his argument on Monday.
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Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 6:43pm
stigie

You must feel really sorry for Krim Dotcon Penny, it must be devastating for you ?

(Meant in a caring sort of way)
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November 28, 2014 6:49pm
big bruv

More wisdom from Bedwetters girlfriend.

““I see all these smarty pants people on CNN saying that it was terrorism or a fire in the cockpit,” she explained to a bewildered Hannity, “but I don’t hear anyone talking about the God possibility. I mean what if they accidentally flew too high and got stuck in heaven?

“I’m no expert on international aviation. But I do know that God is up there looking down on us. And everyone knows that once you go to heaven you can’t come back. This would explain why we haven’t found any wreckage in the ocean and why no one saw the plane land.

“The radar had the plane at 45,000 feet, well above its usual cruising altitude. Who knows how much higher they went?”

Remember folks, this stupid bint could have been the Vice President of the USA and one heart beat away from being the leader of the free world.
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November 28, 2014 6:53pm
Manolo

How many times did Miss Dim visit the German crook’s mansion? How many?
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November 28, 2014 6:55pm
Travis Poulson

Interesting Penny, you make no mention of the half million dollar Mercedes Benz parked in a garage in Germany that was not disclosed as an asset.
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November 28, 2014 6:57pm
Nostradamus

Manolo:

How many times did Miss Dim visit the German crook’s mansion? How many?

Well, Manolo, Penny has previously answered this question:

publicwatchdog (2,833 comments) says:
September 16th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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I have been to the Kim Dotcom mansion, once, as a ‘process-server’ to personally hand deliver the witness summonses to him and his (then) head of security, Wayne Tempero, to attend court to give oral evidence, pre-trial, in the rather well-known John Banks electoral fraud case.

The rest is history ….

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
…

Obviously Penny got the last bit wrong – it should have said http://www.honestjohnisback.com
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November 28, 2014 7:05pm
publicwatchdog

I visited Kim Dotcom once in order to serve himself and Wayne Tempero witness summonses in order to give oral evidence at the Auckland District Court.

Thought you knew that BOYolo?

Do try to keep up?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:09pm
publicwatchdog

Being a little bit ‘precipitious’ aren’t you Nostradamus?

Yes – John Banks has been granted a retrial.

But – Court proceedings are still ongoing.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:12pm
publicwatchdog

Travis – I get growled at if my posts are too long – so I chose to cut and paste the information which I thought discerning Kiwibloggers might be interested 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:14pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

Being a little bit ‘precipitious’ aren’t you Nostradamus?

Well, gee, it’s Friday and my comment was no more (and no less) than good-natured banter. You do have a sense of humour, right?
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November 28, 2014 7:15pm
Travis Poulson

Penny I would have thought that was quite important to the bail hearing, since it demonstrates dishonesty and non disclosure of assets which is relevant to the bail hearing. Even Larry Williams this afternoon said that he knew about the car months ago.
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November 28, 2014 7:21pm
publicwatchdog

I share your concerns David about increasing the surveillance powers of the SIS:

Emergency Surveillance by the SIS

I oppose the proposed law changes to allow the SIS to do emergency surveillance for up to 48 hours without a warrant.

I believe it is important for New Zealanders to have confidence and trust in their law enforcement, security and intelligence agencies.

At present the Government can say that no New Zealand citizen is spied on by any state agency unless a warrant is approved by an independent judicial officer such as a Judge, JP or Commissioner of Security Warrants. This is a hugely important check and balance in our system. No New Zealander can be spied on by a state agency without effectively judicial approval.

This proposed law would do away with the status quo. No longer could New Zealanders be told that they can only have their communications intercepted if an independent judicial officer agrees.

For Parliament to do away with this long standing right, they need to be convinced that the consequences of not doing so would be worse than remaining with the status quo. This should be a very high threshold. No matter how temporary the exception may be, the fact is that the law will go from an absolute guarantee of no surveillance without judicial approval to no guarantee. Parliament should be loath to make such a change.

I accept that threats may emerge quickly and it is desirable for intelligence to be gathered quickly. However rather than water down the requirement for prior judicial approval, other alternatives should be considered.

We live in a connected world. The Commissioner of Security Warrants and the Minister for the SIS can probably be contacted close to 24/7. Documents for a warrant can be sent electronically for approval. With planning, one should be able to get a warrant within a couple of hours where haste is necessary.

Other options is for the Commissioner and the Minister to have deputies who must be available in Wellington, when the principals are likely to be difficult to contact.

This law change will make it harder for the security agencies to keep the confidence of New Zealanders that they can only be spied on if prior approval is given by a judicial officer.

There is a massive difference between a system of checks and balances that occurs before surveillance occurs, and one that checks afterwards if it was appropriate.

Changing the law to allow the SIS to do surveillance without prior judicial approval should be the last resort, not the first.
I would urge the Committee to delete this section of the Bill.
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Where does ACT MP David Seymour stand on particularly THIS matter?

Is ACT MP David Seymour going to support this ‘BIG brother State on steroids’ legislation?

What’s the view of all the ACT Party supporters and Libertarians on THIS matter?

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:21pm
big bruv

Been a bit of a shit year for you Penny. The Nat’s win a third term. Banksie has been given his good name back. You are about to be kicked out of your house.

Shit year for you, bloody great year for the rest of us.
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November 28, 2014 7:23pm
publicwatchdog

OK Travis – you got me.

I DON’T know everything.

Sorry I’m not the SuperWoman you obviously expect me to be.

Apologise is all I can do.

See my boss and dock my pay.

Oh – that’s right – I don’t have a boss and I don’t get paid ……

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:25pm
publicwatchdog

Well Big Bore, you got one out of three right!

“The Nat’s win a third term. Banksie has been given his good name back. You are about to be kicked out of your house.”

Think you’re being a wee bit precipitious on the other two?

You have a lovely evening 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 7:29pm
Travis Poulson

I bet a 6 pack of Tui mans cans Banks has another tilt at the Mayoralty. I hope he does, that 2 minute noodle of oriental flavour needs to be given the arse card. I’ll never forget this granny given Lenny his beans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXKTdeU9kM
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November 28, 2014 7:31pm
Travis Poulson

Penny I’m not playing “gotcha”, I just though that you would have made mention of something so significant to the hearing which has also been reported in the MSM.
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November 28, 2014 7:38pm
Odakyu-sen

Shawn (1:17 p.m.) raises some good points.

Me, being too lazy to write much, have only this link to offer: http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/philosophy/human-nature-conservative-classical-liberal-libertarian-view
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November 28, 2014 7:59pm
nasska

big bruv @ 6.53

She is absolutely stark raving mad!
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November 28, 2014 8:10pm
stigie

“She is absolutely stark raving mad”!

Penny Bright is !!
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November 28, 2014 8:12pm
publicwatchdog

A bit more background reading on the Foreign Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill – throw away your Womens’ Weekly Big Bore and BOYolo! 😉

The Regulatory Impact Statement

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/publications/ris-foreign-terrorist-fighters_0.pdf

You will note that the ‘Status quo and problem definition’ :

1. UNSC Resolution 2178 (issued on 24 September 2014) defines the term Foreign Terrorist Fighter as “individuals who travel to a State other than their States of residence or nationality for the purpose of perpetration, planning, or preparation in, terrorist acts or the providing of terrorist training, including in connection with armed conflict”,

2. The threat posed by foreign terrorist fighters (FTFs) and other violent extremists is evolving rapidly. The most immediate and latest manifestation of the FTF issue is seen with the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL). fighters invloved with ISIL are responsible for widespread use of indiscriminate and extreme acts of violence primarily in the Iraq and Syria region. there are an estimated 15,000 – 20,000 FTFs associated with ISIL of which an estimated 3,000 hold western passports. these fighters threaten to return to their countries of origin radicalised and with military training.

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Really?

What about STATE terrorism?

What is the comparison of those killed / injured by terrorist STATES as opposed to terrorist ‘INDIVIDUALS’?

For example – how many people were killed by the ‘(STATE terrorist) Coalition of the KILLING’ with the unlawful invasion of Iraq – based upon the LIE that Saddam Hussein had ‘weapons of mass destruction’?

How about Israeli STATE terrorism against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?

Whose interests are being served nationally and internationally by UNSC Resolution 2178?

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 8:14pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ir95oiss7un8gwj/Cuckoo%2033.jpg?dl=0
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November 28, 2014 8:17pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – for more information about ‘STATE’ terrorism?

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=74Zmct-7hGIC&pg=PA265&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

I know – it’s all a bit wild – trying to help folk have a more INFORMED debate on the issues?

Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 8:25pm
Johnboy

Good grief. Penny seems to be batting well for Kim Dotcom tonight!

Perhaps there is romance in the air for the two faulty units?

Mona replaced by Moaner! 🙂
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November 28, 2014 8:25pm
stigie

“She is absolutely stark raving mad”!

You couldn’t say that about a blowup doll covered in plaster strips Nasska ?
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November 28, 2014 8:32pm
Redbaiter

Big Bruv spreading cowardly smears and lies again.

Narsekissa trying hard to be funny.

Stigie frantically kissing arse.

Penny Bright’s followers dancing happily to her tune.

Not much new on GD.
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November 28, 2014 8:35pm
starboard

LOL..pants down Brown at his finest

http://youtu.be/Os3KTA8JSEs
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November 28, 2014 8:35pm
publicwatchdog

So – is this UNSC Resolution 2178 – going to help the formation of a ‘greater Israel’ – by ‘weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project’?

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/publications/ris-foreign-terrorist-fighters_0.pdf

You will note that the ‘Status quo and problem definition’ :

2. The threat posed by foreign terrorist fighters (FTFs) and other violent extremists is evolving rapidly. The most immediate and latest manifestation of the FTF issue is seen with the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL). fighters invloved with ISIL are responsible for widespread use of indiscriminate and extreme acts of violence primarily in the Iraq and Syria region. there are an estimated 15,000 – 20,000 FTFs associated with ISIL of which an estimated 3,000 hold western passports. these fighters threaten to return to their countries of origin radicalised and with military training.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

This article was published on Global Research April 29, 2013.

Global Research Editor’s Note

The following document pertaining to the formation of “Greater Israel” constitutes the cornerstone of powerful Zionist factions within the current Netanyahu government, the Likud party, as well as within the Israeli military and intelligence establishment.

According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria, not to mention the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.

“Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates.

The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel.

Greater Israel would create a number of proxy States. It would include parts of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the Sinai, as well as parts of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. (See map).

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Penny Bright
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November 28, 2014 8:39pm
nasska

Someone must have made Baity moderator & forgotten to tell us. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 8:39pm
stigie

Those fucking smilies Nasska, ya know he fucking hates them !~
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November 28, 2014 8:43pm
nasska

🙂
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November 28, 2014 8:45pm
Redbaiter

“Someone must have made Baity moderator & forgotten to tell us.”

You better hope it never happens.

You and your pathetic chatroom shit and your sorry attempts at humour would be one of the first out the fucking door.
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November 28, 2014 8:49pm
Johnboy

I like to think in my dotage that I have done more to piss folks off by smiling at them than even Ronald MacDonald! 🙂
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November 28, 2014 8:49pm
Travis Poulson

Bloody hell Penny.

“How about Israeli STATE terrorism against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?”

have you been watching the back of your toilet door the last few weeks? Why do you wilfully ignore Hamas terrorism and the Hamas charter to destroy Israel? I covered this extensively on the Whaleoil blog. Why is it that you activists are always complicit with your silence towards Hamas terrorism and abuse of human rights towards Gaza, lynching homosexuals in the street and dragging people down the street behind motorcycles for suspicion of being Israeli informants.

Why do you approve of Hamas rocket attacks on its own people. Why do you approve of storing weapons, ammunition and using schools as command posts by Hamas?

What is wrong with you Penny?
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November 28, 2014 8:53pm
nasska

Do you mean that people actually smile at that clown JB? 🙂
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November 28, 2014 8:56pm
Steve (North Shore)

Is Penny having a thermonuclear meltdown?
That is the next escape from not paying RATES
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November 28, 2014 8:56pm
Travis Poulson

Redbaiter (9,656 comments) says:
November 28th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
“Someone must have made Baity moderator & forgotten to tell us.”

You better hope it never happens.

You and your pathetic chatroom shit and your sorry attempts at humour would be one of the first out the fucking door.

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And I thought I had left the Whaleoil blog 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:01pm
nasska

But at least you left with honour Travis.

Not booted off for upticking your own ravings multiple times. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:04pm
Johnboy

I always get a chuckle when I spot Ronnie around here nasska. Even when he’s being earnest. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:05pm
OneTrack

pwd – “Whose interests are being served nationally and internationally by UNSC Resolution 2178?”

Umm, at a wild guess, the civilians on the ground getting killed in Syria and Iraq??
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November 28, 2014 9:05pm
stigie

He doesn’t mean that Travis really, with Reddy moderator, we would get away with too much !~
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November 28, 2014 9:07pm
Johnboy

Here’s one for all the Religion of Peace apologists.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/63629467/what-will-become-of-her-what-will-become-of-the-others
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November 28, 2014 9:11pm
OneTrack

“That is the next escape from not paying RATES”

I’m surprised Len hasn’t been out there auctioning Penny’s house personally. He’s got a train set to buy and he’ll take the money wherever he can get it from. Especially now Banksie’s been cleared and will be contesting the mayoralty next time. So Len only has a narrow window before he gets thrown out on his ear.
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November 28, 2014 9:11pm
Johnboy

Penny could perhaps work off her debt in the Ngati Whatua room? 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:14pm
nasska

Could take a while JB. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:15pm
stigie

“Could take a while JB”.

Thought it only took 2 minutes ?
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November 28, 2014 9:20pm
Johnboy

Len has a reputation for stamina is these matters nasska and Penny’s a woman that can handle tools with dexterity.

Could be a match made in heaven really! 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:21pm
Johnboy

“Thought it only took 2 minutes ?”

It takes me less than a minute with Flossie. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:23pm
nasska

….”Thought it only took 2 minutes ?”….

If he gets any more efficient stigie he won’t have to drop his pants before he goes off. 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:24pm
stigie

Is that with Viagra Nasska or without ?
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November 28, 2014 9:26pm
nasska

Just for JB…..night all! 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4apb9y9o7r054e2/Sheep%2075.gif?dl=0
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November 28, 2014 9:27pm
stigie

“It takes me less than a minute with Flossie.” 🙂

Thats no bloody good JB, you are better off feeding the chooks !!
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November 28, 2014 9:31pm
Johnboy

Night nasska, night stigie, night all! 🙂
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November 28, 2014 9:31pm
Yvette

Night, Johnboy 🙂 dormez bien
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November 28, 2014 9:52pm
ngatimozart

wat dabney (3,812 comments) says:
November 28th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
ngatimozart,

“How many of you who are anti climate change have actually read any of the science behind the anthropogenic climate change theory? If you did were you able to understand and grasp the principles that are being discussed?”

Yes, the theory is very simple. In fact, that’s its very problem: it’s too simple. It is positively trite. It doesn’t account for the fact that climate is a complex chaotic system with infinite feedbacks and affected by multiple cycles which sometimes act to cancel each other and at other times to amplify. It imagines instead that the temperature is controlled by a trace element, CO2.

“It is very complicated to say the least and multidisciplinary.”

No, it isn’t. It isn’t complicated and it isn’t multidisciplinary. In fact, its noticeable that scientists from other disciplines, such as geologists, are most likely to dismiss this childishly simplistic theory.
“When you claim that forecasts about climate change have been proven wrong don’t look at it over a single year because that year could be an aberration. With climate related issues you have to take a long view and 100 years is a far better data set than 1 or 10 years.”
Why would 100 years be better? The earth was only recently recovering from the Little Ice Age, of course there was recent warming. You need to show maybe 10,000 years of climate history. The problem for alarmists is that, when you do that, the recent climate behaviour is exposed as being completely indistinguishable from what has gone before.

Don’t know where you get that idea from that it isn’t multi disciplinary and it is indeed very multi-disciplinary. You must be spending time reading material that has incorrect information in it. Having read papers from across the disciplines the end result is about overall atmospheric temperature rise and we know this happens because of ice core samples going back many thousands of years plus other evidence in the geologic record. The earth’s climate has never been static over time and goes through cycles. At present we are near the top of the latest cycle before we head into the next ice age. You miss the point that anthropogenic induced changes to the carbon cycle have accelerated this part of the cycle. There is plenty of evidence to support that assertion.

The point I am making is that you have to go past the concept of a normal humans life time which is what a lot of people think in and that looking at data over a short term that doesn’t include all of the cycles within a process only gives you skewed results if you are trying to extrapolate to far longer time scale. I am quite comfortable in dealing with the concepts of very large and very small numbers such as eons or nano metres, nano seconds etc., however the majority of people are not and have great difficulty in comprehending those numbers. The Little Ice Age was nothing major in the overall scheme of things and in a way is a “misnomer”, especially when compared to a normal ice age. There were no large sheets of ice over the land masses during the Little Ice Age apart from the usual places such as the high northern latitudes.

You have the right and choice to believe what you want and to reach conclusions from material that you have viewed or read. That is the way it should be and I respect your right to do that, whether I agree with your arguments and conclusions or not.
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November 28, 2014 10:35pm
ngatimozart

Sorry guys I was trying to edit my reply so that it would format properly and it hasn’t. BB Code doesn’t work here 🙁 Anyway my reply starts at “Don’t know where you get that idea from ….. ” which is about half way down. Again my apologies.
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November 28, 2014 10:42pm
deadrightkev

Chuck Bird

“Key clearly lied when he said he had not been in contact with Slater. He and his supporters are not helping by trying to spin it that he didn’t.”

It doesn’t matter if Key gets caught in bed with a sheep the sycophants on this blog would say he got there by accident.
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November 29, 2014 1:32pm
deadrightkev

Chuck Bird

You were going well pointing out John Key telling porkies then you had to say “Bill English has done a very good job on the economy.”

English has managed the accounts and borrowed billions. We are treading water and paying shitloads on stupid stuff. I am sure Sir Roger would agree and could do a heck of a lot better even at 74.
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