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November 21, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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stigie

Cant find that fucking remote….fuck this is driving me over the fucking edge !!

Thanks for that Nostra.
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November 21, 2014 8:33pm
Reid

That that comment has got four upvotes so far shows that one shouldn’t worry too much about downvotes on KBGD. Its clearly infested with the worst kind of lowlife.

We do realise lads don’t we that we’re walking straight into the neuterer’s hands?

The same ones who have bought our children and grand children mats on the play ground and useful signs telling them not to be dangerous.

After all, that’s not what being a child is about, is it.

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While possibly we need to exercise more control over our impulsive comments, this is an adult forum. If adults can’t take any words thrown at them, then IMO, WTF kind of adults are they?

At the same time, the counter-point which passes all the mentals including the hysterical media by (when they get hold of an issue like say Sutton), is: perhaps the adults need to monitor themselves.

Perhaps sometimes, the things we exchange don’t need to be exchanged, quite so vigorously as they are.
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November 21, 2014 8:43pm
big bruv

That’s one gone. 8-1
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November 21, 2014 8:43pm
Redbaiter

Alex Coleman ‏@ShakingStick Apr 24

PSA: If you’re gonna follow a kiwiblogKommenter because reasons, Redbaiter is hands down better value than Big Bruv.
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November 21, 2014 8:45pm
stigie

Hope this will be better than the AB commentry BB ?
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November 21, 2014 8:46pm
Kea

Are the Aussies going to be able to sell their coal??

China has 22 nuclear power reactors operating and 26 under construction.

That is nothing compared to the number of coal fired power stations.

And in spite of the lies told by our resident warmists, they are still building more of them. In fact they are planning even bigger coal fired stations than ever before. I can assure you that China will not do anything to slow its growth because of climate alarmism. Though they are happy to sign an agreement to let the USA further cripple its broken economy. They are a lot smarter than the houseboy and must be having a huge laugh about it all.

China approves massive new coal capacity despite pollution fears

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/china-coal-idUSL3N0K90H720140107
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November 21, 2014 8:49pm
big bruv

Hey look stigie. Bedwetter is signing back in again under his other screen names to give himself complimentary comments.

I think he might be an attention whore.
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November 21, 2014 8:55pm
Kea

Reid, the thing is that none of us need someone to tell us what is acceptable and what is not. People who do such things are rather arrogantly appointing themselves as morally superior to others. Censorship has nothing to do with values, morality or concern for society. It is only used as a means of control and manipulation.
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November 21, 2014 8:55pm
Reid

I can assure you that China will not do anything to slow its growth because of climate alarmism.

No they can’t.

The survival of the One Party State depends on continuous growth. Whatever it takes, that’s the last thing that will fall, as that failed experiment sinks to its inevitable conclusion, along with the loss of millions of lives, because that’s what it’s going to take to change it. The only choice humanity has is: are those lives expended in an instant, or over time.

And newsflash: A One Party State also exists – duh – in America, as much as it does in China. The only difference is, the varying beliefs between the fools who live in and observe those countries. The geopolitical chess match for the first part of this century is: which side can fool the other side the most.

Reid, the thing is that none of us need someone to tell us what is acceptable and what is not.

Duh. Why on Earth do you imagine that’s what I was suggesting?
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November 21, 2014 9:01pm
tom hunter

Right – back inside after the bunny hunt. Two of the boys decided to sit on their ass playing Rome: Total War, apparently having been exhausted by today’s earlier walk around the farm. Regrettably this included my son!!!!!

However, his best friend was determined to get a bunny and he did – four of them in fact. Only beaten from being a bunny ace by the lack of light. I thought he did bloody well since he’s only ever shot possums before. With hares you actually have to apply some strategy. Had the rangefinder so:
Hare 1 – 160m prone, 0.17HMR
Hare 2 – 30m standing shot, 0.17HMR
Hare 3 – 40m standing shot, 0.22
Hare 4 – 60m prone, 0.17

Bloody proud of him. He’s an excellent shot given his minimal experience.
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November 21, 2014 9:02pm
Griff

Hare 1 – 160m prone, 0.17HMR
bloody nice shot tom
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November 21, 2014 9:10pm
EAD

And the one party state that exists in NZ Reid…….

On another note, UKIP have won another by election in the UK.http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/20/Historic-UKIP-Win-In-Rochester-And-Strood-By-Election

Great news which I doubt our “independent” media will cover as to them politics is something that should only be practiced by professionals with the public merely giving the elite legitimacy by casting a vote as to which party should implement their “common purpose” agenda. None of this “politics by the people for the people” nonsense that UKIP represent.
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November 21, 2014 9:11pm
Kea

Reid, I did not think you were suggesting it.

“The survival of the One Party State depends on continuous growth.”

So does every economy that issues money as debt.
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November 21, 2014 9:13pm
Griff

China’s national carbon market to start in 2016 -official

By Kathy Chen and Stian Reklev

BEIJING Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:29am BST

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Aug 31 (Reuters) – China plans to roll out its national market for carbon permit trading in 2016, an official said Sunday, adding that the government is close to finalising rules for what will be the world’s biggest emissions trading scheme.

The world’s biggest-emitting nation, accounting for nearly 30 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, plans to use the market to slow its rapid growth in climate-changing emissions.

China has pledged to reduce the amount of carbon it emits per unit of GDP to 40-45 percent below 2005 levels by 2020.

It has already launched seven regional pilot markets in a bid to gain experience ahead of a nationwide scheme.
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November 21, 2014 9:14pm
tom hunter

bloody nice shot tom

It sure was Griff, especially since there was a cross-wind – which he told me he adjusted for. The 0.17 is a totally flat shot out to 300m but it’s a little bullet so does get pushed around by the wind a bit.

There have been some surprised looks tonight that there is no fire. I have explained that this mysterious thing known as firewood supplies get used up through the autumn, winter and spring and last night was the end of it. I have vision of a chainsaw, axes, quad and trailer – and some tired little bastards at days end tomorrow. 👿
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November 21, 2014 9:16pm
EAD

@ Kea,

I never knew you were another one who understands the “money as debt” conundrum. There is a growing bunch of us on KB – welcome to the club!
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November 21, 2014 9:17pm
Kea

Griff, so the Chinese government is using this nonsense to tax its citizens more. Typical.

Meanwhile they are building bigger and bigger coal fired power stations to add to the thousands they already have 🙂
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November 21, 2014 9:17pm
Redbaiter

“Great news”

Yep sure is as the Conservatives threw everything into the election. We should now see quite a few more defections from under the iron grip that Cameron’s band of traitors and cowards have on the Conservative Party.
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November 21, 2014 9:17pm
Griff

As long as they end the day with all extremities its a win .
Show them a graphic picture of what a chainsaw will do to flesh before they start
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November 21, 2014 9:19pm
tom hunter

And on a sadder note I see The Woodpile Report has come to an end after ten years of erudite analysis of US politics, with interesting stuff thrown in on 19th century painting, photography, cars, guns, nuclear physics – and Appalachia!

Bugger!
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November 21, 2014 9:23pm
Weihana

UrbanNeocolonialist (304 comments) says:
November 21st, 2014 at 5:06 pm

Most recent papers based on measured climate data see a likely range of 1-2°C per doubling of CO2. The IPCC pimping the catastrophe and using demonstrably wrong global climate models as ‘evidence’ push a figure of 1.5-4.5°C to keep the scary dream and consequent political leverage alive but it is getting more and more untenable in the face of ‘paused’ real world data.

Is 1-2 deg C the error range or a range of medians from selected papers?

I note Lewis & Curry (2014) has ECS 5-95% uncertainty range of 1.05 – 4.05K. On that score it seems these recent findings are in fair agreement with the “demonstrably wrong global climate models”.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-014-2342-y

Those that trumpet the consensus always avoid discussion or measurement of ‘consensus’ on this critical issue

I presume “Global warming is a hoax!” and “Al Gore is a big fat liar” is code for “Lets talk about climate sensitivity”. 🙂
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November 21, 2014 9:25pm
Kea

EAD, I do not bother talking about it as people don’t believe the truth when you tell them. I did not believe it when I first found out how money was created either.

Fiat money only exists as an idea. Here is how to prove it:

1. Give someone a billion dollars to spend.

2. Remove all other people on earth.

Now what value does the money have ?

The more imaginary money they issue as debt (with interest) the more the economy must expand. I believe that is what drives our consumerist society. People clutter their empty lives with more and more stuff they don’t need. It has to be that way for it to work, as there is always more money owed than what exists.

Prior to leaning this I always wondered how every country can have a huge debt. I thought, quite reasonably, who it was owed to ? It is a bit like the economic collapse in the US. The people had no money to pay for their houses, but the banks did not have the money either and the home owners had to bail out the banks with their taxes… using more debt money !

So where did all the money go from the housing boom I hear some ask ? No where. It never existed.
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November 21, 2014 9:26pm
Griff

Griff, so the Chinese government is using this nonsense to tax its citizens more. Typical.

squawk squawk

Why does everyone think carbon trading needs to be an increase in the total tax take?
it is a change in the tax structure not necessarily an increase in total tax.

Carbon trading places a value on the commons and levys a tax to pay for the costs of using our atmosphere as a dump for industrial by products.

China is like many parts of the west was fifty years ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21005228
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November 21, 2014 9:31pm
Redbaiter

“I see The Woodpile Report has come to an end”

Yeah sad to see Remus pack it in.

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=23564
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November 21, 2014 9:31pm
EAD

Yes Kea – that pretty much is the “matrix” by which we live our lives – we spend all of our lives working to earn pieces of paper intrinsically worth nothing that some Banker created out of thin air in order to acquire an endless array of “stuff”. We are literally slaves to the Bankers.

You’re correct about people not wanting to believe the truth that Banks do create money out of thin air, it makes them lash out as they don’t believe the money they are borrowing from the bank was created out of thin air and they’ve got to spend their entire life working to pay it back. As Reginald McKenna once said “I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money”

I think the following titans of industry/banking summed up the situation well:

“If you want to remain the slaves of the bankers and pay for the costs of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control the nation’s credit.” – Sir Josiah Stamp

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company.

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” – The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863
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November 21, 2014 9:36pm
Griff

Lewis & Curry
Used an incorrect value for ocean heat uptake to massage their conclusions.

1 Give someone a billion kg of gold to spend.

2. Remove all other people on earth.

Now what value does the gold have ?

gold is no different to cash money
Its value is only what we place on it .

It’s better used giving good electrical connections in electronics than being horded in vaults.
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November 21, 2014 9:39pm
mikenmild

You like arguing with Austrian gold buggers as much as you enjoy a good climate debate, Griff?
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November 21, 2014 9:43pm
EAD

“Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked: ‘Account Overdrawn” – Ayn Rand

See why Keynes and the the Fabians wanted us off the Gold Standard Griff?

It is also the thing Mikey, Stephie and Shawn most vehemently attack – I wonder why?
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November 21, 2014 9:44pm
mikenmild

Probably because we’re in the pay of Jews or Freemasons, EAD.

Griff, tell us again what proportion of the gold ever mined would need to be used as currency to underpin the current global GDP?
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November 21, 2014 9:48pm
EAD

Mikey – I never realised you were another one of those left wing Anti-Semites…

Don’t ask yourself how much gold would be needed – work out how much the gold will need (it’s going to happen) to be repriced to underpin current valuations? Try USD $58,000 and you might be in the right ballpark.
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November 21, 2014 9:54pm
Kea

Griff, I agree re gold.

The value we place on it is largely artificial too. Though it is handy for wires and stuff.
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November 21, 2014 10:14pm
Rachael Membery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63415835/Theft-from-14-year-old-cancer-patient

I hope they get returned to him and I hope who ever has them doesn’t just throw them away.
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November 21, 2014 10:27pm
cha

EAD goes gold bugging.

http://youtu.be/HUngLgGRJpo
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November 21, 2014 10:33pm
Rachael Membery

Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

November 21st, 2014 at 7:05 pm

And I’m pissed that Rachael isn’t here to chastise me Leonardo! 🙂

Pissed? Clearly can’t hold anything, let alone liquor!!!!

You absolute bore.
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November 21, 2014 10:58pm
deadrightkev

“This would seem to be what “experts” now think, with the exercise of re-writing history that the Tribunal is inclined to do, but why then, within a short time of signing, was there not multiple instances of chiefs saying “Hey, shit, man – this isn’t what we signed up to, why the fuck are we doing this just your way? Don’t you understand what we signed?”

Because right through the 1860 Kohimarama conference (where the 200 chiefs yet again pledged their loyalty to the Crown) until roughly 1985 when the 4th Labour party got involved mainstream Maori were of the opinion (as were other New Zealanders and the Crown) that they had ceded sovereignty FOREVER as it actually says in Te Tiriti O Waitangi. It also says that on the English draft that the treaty was translated into Maori.

So now in 2014, because there is a buck in it and because we have gutless progressive politicians ruling NZ (who will hand over our property rights to anyone) naming specifically the National party, the original agreement now means the exact opposite. The Waitangi Tribunal is a closed shop racist kangaroo court of self interested fools that should abolished. John Key wont have the balls though we know that.
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