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cha

Put up or shut up boi.
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November 17, 2014 6:44pm
minus

Auckland Council has promised to start publishing these [contracts they have with the private sector] on its website after Bright pointed out that Auckland Transport, an Auckland Council controlled organisation, was already publishing such a list.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/63215766/Campaigner-challenges-rates-penalties

So Auckland Council have promised to publish contract information on their websites, specifically emphasizing this action is nothing to do with Bright’s rates “protest”, but that, as she points out, Auckland Transport already do it.
Simply legal comparison apparently works.
7 years illegal rates inaction still drags on.
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November 17, 2014 6:46pm
Kea

Griff, the Chinese have agreed to allow the USA to further cripple their own dying economy with more green fantasies and taxes, in order to get better access to their markets. They are also happy to sell them tons of solar panels, and other nonsense, as you correctly noted.

Of course they don’t use crappy solar panels much in China, on account of all the coal smoke 🙂

Those clever Chinese are laughing at you Griff.
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November 17, 2014 6:48pm
nasska

….”Funny thing is nasska I have lived of grid with wind and solar power
I did not sit cross legged eating cold roots.”….

With your set-up you’ll make a killing after NZ phases out the use of fossil fuels Griff, or at least until we are taken over & mined by another country that doesn’t give a stuff about climate change.

You’ll be able to sell hot takeaway fern root. 🙂
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November 17, 2014 6:48pm
mikenmild

cha
Kea will simply switch to another topic…
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November 17, 2014 6:50pm
Kea

“Put up or shut up boi.”

cha, First hit on Google, and this was just Bats in the study and they still got 600,000

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/eek-squad/wind-turbines-kill-more-600000-bats-year-what-should-we-do

Note it is from a pro windmill AGW alarmist source !

Better read this too ya bullshiter cha 😉

http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html
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November 17, 2014 6:52pm
cha

Mike

Bats.
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November 17, 2014 6:54pm
calendar girl

Penny Bright at 3:31pm:

“Does NZ Prime Minister John Key have dual USA citizenship?

YES or NO?

Simple question – simple answer?”

Let’s be quite clear what Ms Bright is up to this time. Once she obtains confirmation that that PM John Key has dual citizenship (including USA where he was a resident for many years), Bright is likely to claim with her customary arrogance that Key is a ‘traitor’ to this country, selling out NZ to US commercial and political interests. No proof required of anything, just personal smear after personal smear after personal smear.

Penny Bright masquerades as a relatively harmless and decidedly eccentric leftist, pursuing causes of alleged public concern. She makes up many of her allegation as she goes, caring little for the good names of prominent targets who don’t share her anti-social manifestations of personal radicalism. People such as the Prime Minister are mere pawns in her weird master-plan.

PM Key and everyone else targeted should simply ignore the presumptuous and incredibly arrogant Penny Bright, and tell her to go away. Then provide her with no time and especially none of the attention that she craves. She is entitled to neither. The nationality (or more correctly the place of birth) of the President of the USA has been of obvious interest because of certain requirements in the US Constitution. Such requirements are irrelevant in this situation. I’m very confident that John Key is a New Zealand citizen, and assuming that I’m correct in that I really don’t care if he is also a citizen of the USA, the EU, Australia or Canada. Lots of NZ citizens are, and they do not deserve Penny Bright’s personal smears on that account.
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November 17, 2014 6:54pm
mikenmild

From Kea’s link:
‘But this does not mean we should start shutting down wind farms.’
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November 17, 2014 6:55pm
Kea

milky, yeah I know, but I like his little contributions 🙂
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November 17, 2014 6:55pm
Kea

Wind turbines kill up to 39 million birds a year!

– See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2013/03/18/wind-turbines-kill-up-to-39-million-birds-a-year/#sthash.H3imOona.dpuf
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November 17, 2014 6:56pm
Griff

Stupid parrot doesn’t know the difference between a bat and a bird.
One has tits and the other lays eggs egg.
mike kea meant 600,000,000 it is actually surprising he back tracked at all normally he will just ignore his crap being caught out and come up with some other http://www.factouthisarse.com.
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November 17, 2014 6:57pm
mikenmild

calendar girl
Personally, I don’t think dual citizenship is a good idea. But there is nothing illegal or even particularly remarkable about it. Remember the parliamentary shenanigans over Harry Duynhoven?
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November 17, 2014 6:58pm
Kea

Griff, No Kea meant what he wrote and he wrote six hundred thousand.

I am surprised you have chosen to further bring attention to your inability to read numbers/temperatures/thermometers etc. 😯
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November 17, 2014 7:01pm
Lucia Maria

Muslims discovered America, says Turkish president

Brought to you by people who make up history to suit their fantasies.

Just bizarre, considering there is no archeological evidence.
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November 17, 2014 7:05pm
cha

Oh joy, the semi-literate cretin is innumerate too.
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November 17, 2014 7:05pm
flipper

RF….
Some names you might recall….. Tom Stenhouse…Colin Wilson and Phil Spackman ( both CI).

As I have previously said on KB… after the notorious “kick through the Police protection circle event in Auckland” he sat in our dining room, raised his trousers to his knees, and showed the scars and bruises from ANDERSON AND HIS BUNCH OF DRIVER/WATERSIDER THUGS.

RDM had his faults, but he was as you say, a good guy! 🙂
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November 17, 2014 7:09pm
Griff

Cfact is as reliable for facts as any other oil and coal industry funded misinformation source kea.

The Smithsonian is a reputable source and they give from a meta study
According to the current literature somewhere between 140,000 and 328,000 birds die each year from collisions with wind turbines.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-many-birds-do-wind-turbines-really-kill-180948154/#5s3xJOG9ttqGfC81.99
still far short of even 600,000

You post clearly said

Every single oil slick/disaster, in history, would not equal a months worth of a bird deaths caused by wind farms. Over 600,000.000 a year in the USA alone

totally wrong kea
oil coal pits kill 500,000 to 1,000,000 a year
fossil fuel power plants 14,000,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bird_mortality.svg
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November 17, 2014 7:11pm
Lucia Maria

Hi Travis!

So.. the visit here the other day was part of something bigger!

I’ve been there.

Anyway, you get a lot more freedom to be yourself on the outside.
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November 17, 2014 7:16pm
Kea

Griff, speaking of funding, do all your sources work pro bono ?

The real money is in telling bald faced lies about the climate.
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November 17, 2014 7:17pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgf1f6t7jwitjup/Whale%201.jpg?dl=0
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November 17, 2014 7:22pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (2,580 comments) says:
November 17th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
Muslims discovered America, says Turkish president

Brought to you by people who make up history to suit their fantasies.

Just bizarre, considering there is no archeological evidence.

Yes it is well established that it was saddistic mass murdering genocidal Catholic filth.
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November 17, 2014 7:22pm
Pete George

Slate reports We’re Tired of Telling You These Things, but Last Month Was the Hottest October on Record.

According to new data released Friday from NASA and the Japanese Meteorological Agency, last month was the warmest October globally since official weather records have been kept in the late 1800s. According to NASA, last month tied with 2005 as the warmest October on record globally. Japan’s data show the month as significantly warmer than October 2003, its previously warmest October.

There wasn’t such a thing as October the last time global temperatures were this warm, which recent research has dated to at least 4,000 years ago. That fact brings a bit of context to the litany of new worldwide temperature records set in what’s shaping up to be an exceptionally warm 2014.

Case in point: After a relatively cool start—January and March were only the fourth- or fifth-warmest months globally, depending on the data set you choose—this year has already featured the warmest April on record, the warmest May on record, the warmest June on record, the warmest August on record, the warmest September on record, and the warmest ocean temperatures on record for any month (twice). Buried within the surge of warmth was the warmest six months on record (April to September), and last month capped off the warmest 12-month period on record.

April was the first month in at least 800,000 years that atmospheric carbon dioxide reached 400 parts per million. It’s this sudden surge of heat-trapping gases, released by human activities, that’s driving climate change and pushing global temperatures to new highs.

Expect the air to hot up here now.
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November 17, 2014 7:25pm
Sponge

Griff,

So your facts are beyond dispute but anyone with an opposing views facts are, of course, in the pocket of big oil?
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November 17, 2014 7:25pm
mikenmild

There was I thinking that America was ‘discovered’ tens of thouisands of years before Catholicism.
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November 17, 2014 7:27pm
nasska

….”it is well established that it was saddistic mass murdering genocidal Catholic filth.”…..

Nonsense Kea…..they were just gentle missionaries who got a bit of bad press after trying to bring the Word of God to the heathen natives. Relieving them of the burden of their gold & treasure was the act of true Christians. 🙂
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November 17, 2014 7:27pm
Lucia Maria

Yes it is well established that it was saddistic mass murdering genocidal Catholic filth.

That’s Kea having a spaz realising the limelight is moving away.

Don’t worry, I won’t be here for long. Dinner is almost ready.
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November 17, 2014 7:29pm
Kea

Sponge, you are a fast learner.

I threw in my regular job with all the money I got from posting “denial” comments on Kiwiblog… at least that is what Griff thinks 🙂
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November 17, 2014 7:30pm
Kea

No Lucia it is a fact. Yet another genocide by your church. What is wrong with you people ?

Of have you changed your mind and now want to blame the Muslims ?
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November 17, 2014 7:31pm
Griff

Pro bono is a legal term and as you frequently quote lawyers when it comes to climate science it is another reflection of your stupidity
Google what a scientist gets kea and then Google what a lobbyist gets .
You are trying to claim that thousands of scientists are corrupt?
In fact you are claiming all the major scientific organizations around the world are.

American Association for the Advancement of Science
“The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.”

American Chemical Society
“Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem.”

American Physical Society
“The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.”

U.S. National Academy of Sciences
“The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere

I am claiming that a few oil industry lobbyist lie for their money .
I can prove they receive the money and who is paying them .
I also claim that some deny climate change due to religious faith.
I can give their statements on god and climate.

You make vague assertion with no content that you can not prove.
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November 17, 2014 7:32pm
Travis Poulson

Hi Lucia, good to see you’re still at it hammer and tongs with your debating. I have always found you well reasoned and polite even though you cop a fair bit of flak at times (maybe from me in earlier days too) but you always stand up for what you believe in.
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November 17, 2014 7:37pm
Lucia Maria

No Lucia it is a fact. Yet another genocide by your church. What is wrong with you people ?

Of have you changed your mind and now want to blame the Muslims ?

Yet another Kea logic fail.

Why would I blame the Muslims when they weren’t even there for a genocide that didn’t happen?
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November 17, 2014 7:38pm
mikenmild

Having lost that round (again), Kea is moving on to attacking Catholics, Griff. Let’s see if Lucia will play…
Edit – she seems keen so far.
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November 17, 2014 7:38pm
nasska

…..”I also claim that some deny climate change due to religious faith.
I can give their statements on god and climate.”…..

You’re getting into dangerous territory there Griff.

We’ll see lightening bolts & much smiting before the night’s out…..mark my words! 🙂
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November 17, 2014 7:40pm
Griff

Kea (13,126 comments) says:
November 17th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

Sponge, you are a fast learner.

I threw in my regular job with all the money I got from posting “denial” comments on Kiwiblog… at least that is what Griff thinks 🙂

No kea you have posted the reason why you deny climate science often.
Greed
It might cost you a few bucks to do something about the problem.

You are not smart enough to be paid for the crap you repeat you are just an ignorant tool.
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November 17, 2014 7:40pm
Kea

Lucia, well truth and evidence inform few of your beliefs, including the most fundamental ones.

Found any evidence for that God thingy yet ?
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November 17, 2014 7:41pm
Lucia Maria

Not for long, Mike. My timers are beeping.
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November 17, 2014 7:43pm
Kea

“No kea you have posted the reason why you deny climate science often.
Greed”

Can we have an example with that ?

The loons are out in full force tonight folks 🙂
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November 17, 2014 7:43pm
dad4justice

Lucia – I hope you are having roast Kea.
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November 17, 2014 7:44pm
mikenmild

Another self-referential comment from Kea.
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November 17, 2014 7:45pm
Lucia Maria

Pretty close, Dad. It’s chicken in a bag. Sage and Onion.
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November 17, 2014 7:46pm
Kimbo

@ Nookin

Thanks Kimbo. I really did think that Burgess was much later on.

Don Cameron in his book on the 1981 tour recounts running into Bob the Botanist at a (peaceful and lawful) anti-tour protest in Palmerston North. Burgess played his last game for the All Blacks in that awful loss to France in Paris at the end of the 1972-73 tour (France, especially Walter Spanghero and Max Barrau were very good, we were tired), and then played a bit of rugby in France after that.

@ Keeping Stock

Bob Burgess never really recovered from being knocked unconscious and almost swallowing his tongue in the third test against the 1971 Lions at Athletic Park; incidentally, the first rugby test I ever attended. I don’t think New Zealand rugby ever saw him at his best.

He scored two really good tries running the blindside in the test before that in Christchurch, but yes, that Wellington game did not go well for him. John Taylor, who only played as flanker for the Lions in that Wellington test when Fergus Slattery pulled out late really got stuck into him. And there is this famous photo of Gareth Edwards fending Burgess off when he went to tackle too high, and Barry John scored under the bar.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=gareth+edwards+rugby+photographs&client=firefox-a&hs=X1H&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&biw=1280&bih=646&tbm=isch&imgil=G31e9s7Cgf8LtM%253A%253BQT5Jva4kGVq-_M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.espnscrum.com%25252Fscrum%25252Frugby%25252Fimage%25252F192531.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=G31e9s7Cgf8LtM%253A%252CQT5Jva4kGVq-_M%252C_&usg=__aCaz7sRwyiD78hfKN5Irk7tduME%3D&ved=0CDUQyjc&ei=-JppVPOqMcTpoATfuoC4Dg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=G31e9s7Cgf8LtM%253A%3BQT5Jva4kGVq-_M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.espnscrum.com%252FPICTURES%252FCMS%252F30800%252F30813.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.espnscrum.com%252Fscrum%252Frugby%252Fimage%252F192531.html%3B900%3B1200

You can see Burgess’ head forced back and he is lifted off his feet as Edwards, with his right arm thrust out goes storming through the gap. Later in the second half Burgess hit his head on someone’s hip in a tackle, and itt was only because medical student JPR Williams intervened that he didn’t suffocate – the Zambucks were faffing around, apparently.

I think that put the Lions up 13-0 after about 15 minutes, and that was the test match. Not a great day for the All Blacks, but that was a very great touring team at its absolute best.

He had wonderful hands, though Bob Burgess. Probably best seen in that 1973 Barbarians game when Sid Going (for reasons I argued with big bruv last week due to playing on only one leg) was throwing out pies all day, yet Burgess kept on catching them at his fingertips. I think the first Grant Batty try in that game, where Beegee came in as extra man from the blindside is a really good example of Burgess’ handling, at 55:40: –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h49kubZI4
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November 17, 2014 7:48pm
mikenmild

Even I’m familiar with that game, Kimbo, although the 1977 Lions were my introduction to watching test rugby.
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November 17, 2014 7:52pm
Kimbo

…the 1977 Lions were my introduction to watching test rugby.

Me too. Can’t remember who scored for us earlier this year against England

But the memories of 1977 are very familiar all these years later: Andy Irvine the Flying Scotsman, Grant Batty intercept to win the 1st test, Colin Farrell at fullback (yikes!) until he was replaced by Bevan Wilson. JJ Williams scoring for them in Christchurch, Sid Going dropped, Ian Kirkpatrick scoring in the first minute in Dunedin, three man scrums and Lawrie Knight swindling them out of a series draw right at the end.

And Bruce Robertson and Bill Osborne at their very best. Probably won us the series, those two.
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November 17, 2014 8:00pm
mikenmild

Grant Batty scoring at Athletic Park was the first time I had been to a test. Graham Mourie in for Kirkpatrick for the third test was the big bombshell IIRC. I’ve still got the Rugby Annual for ’77 – wish I still had the (Caltex?) poster and stickers for the Lions tour.
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November 17, 2014 8:06pm
All_on_Red

Griff
I see you are on the insult wagon again. It’s pretty clear that frustrations in your own life cause you to play this little game of trying to wind people up to gain some sort of vicarious satisfaction.
You may think that all that will happen is insults back and you see that as some sort of “victory”
I’m a bit different.
I go for the jugular.
Interesting your missus won’t live with you. I think nature puts in woman this instinct, that they should stay away from and not breed or be with men who for some reason, are not ideal. With you, it’s your drug addiction and your tendency for rage which is probably giving her pause.
How’s your Dad? Must be hard watching him die.
Blub Blub about that.

[DPF: Totally unacceptable. Next time gets a strike]
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November 17, 2014 8:11pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Graham Mourie in for Kirkpatrick for the third test was the big bombshell IIRC.

Almost right. Jack Gleeson, the All Black coach and publican from Feilding dropped his hometown local hero, Kevin Eveleigh, maybe for the late tackles he put on Phil Bennett in the 2nd test, and brought in Mourie in his place. Kirkie played all four tests against the 1977 Lions, and actually gave a really good team talk before the 3rd test – “Why do we have to play badly (as in the 2nd test) before we play good?” And they burst out of the blocks at the opening whistle.

But Kirkie was famously dropped a month later for the end of year tour to France – he was told as he was jumping on to the bus after a Poverty Bay vs Counties game. No phone call to warn them in those days. Ten years, over 100 games as an All Black, a former captain, and he finds out like everyone else in NZ via the radio he has been axed!

Oh, yes, and he was replaced by…Dick Myers (who?!). Not one of the all time great pieces of All Black selection.
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November 17, 2014 8:14pm
Nookin

Seems we may not be permitted to talk about rugby, here, guys. Penelope Bright, the internationally worshipped watchdog and whistleblower, finds it just sooooo boring. Of course, she finds anything other than a crazed conspiracy theory or a mirror beneath her self anointed role as our saviour —- and she does it all for nothing!
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November 17, 2014 8:14pm
mikenmild

Kimbo
Thanks for putting me right. And I was sure I had memorised that Rugby Annual…
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November 17, 2014 8:16pm
big bruv

“But the memories of 1977 are very familiar all these years later: Andy Irvine the Flying Scotsman, Grant Batty intercept to win the 1st test, Colin Farrell at fullback (yikes!) until he was replaced by Bevan Wilson. JJ Williams scoring for them in Christchurch, Sid Going dropped, Ian Kirkpatrick scoring in the first minute in Dunedin, three man scrums and Lawrie Knight swindling them out of a series draw right at the end.

And Bruce Robertson and Bill Osborne at their very best. Probably won us the series, those two.”

Now those were the days!

No fake hype created by the team owners. No bullshit from the NZRU. No ‘Super 29’ rugby starting in January. And (I will not be swayed from this) a far more mature attitude toward the NZ team in those days. Yes we cared about Rugby but we did not pretend that the NZ team were “world famous” and “the greatest sporting team the world has ever seen”.

The members of the NZ team were also far more engaging in those days, hell, some of them could even string a few words together and make a coherent statement. I guess that comes from those same men having real jobs.
The current lot of NZ team members (with one or two exceptions) would be the dumbest bunch of players ever fielded by the NZRU.
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November 17, 2014 8:20pm
cha

How’s your Dad? Must be hard watching him die.
Blub Blub about that.

You really are a piece of shit aren’t you.
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November 17, 2014 8:20pm
Kea

cha, I think the comment went too far, but it is not further than Griff goes himself.
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November 17, 2014 8:22pm
AgentBallSack

Is it just me or are the fair go ad awards as exciting as the Labour leadership race?
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November 17, 2014 8:23pm
Redbaiter

“You really are a piece of shit aren’t you.”

Yeah its bad but no worse than some vicious and cowardly things I have seen coming from you.

Oily hypocrite.
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November 17, 2014 8:24pm
Kimbo

@ Nookin

Penelope Bright, the internationally worshipped watchdog and whistleblower, finds it just sooooo boring. Of course, she finds anything other than a crazed conspiracy theory or a mirror beneath her self anointed role as our saviour —- and she does it all for nothing!

Actually I may have something in common with Penny – a fixation with the 1981 Springbok tour. The 1977 Lions may have been when I first really started following rugby, but 1981 was the year I had rugby fever. You know old guys who could name all the 1956 Springboks or 1959 Lions? Well, that was me in 1981 with that Springbok team” Gysie Pienarr, Johan Heunis, Ray Mordt…

I loved that team – their winger Gerrie Germishuys, their great little scrum half Divan Serfontein, Rob Louw. I would have been heart-broken if they hadn’t toured. And to beat them in the last minute of the last test (with a penalty for a neutral ref!) was soooo good.

Like I say, I understand Penny started her career as a publicwatchdog outside the grounds trying to deny me my pleasure. And here we are, some 33 years later and I’m still enjoying her tragic failures.

Scadenfreude, I know, but hey, I don’t choose her self-appointed role of tilting at windmills…
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November 17, 2014 8:26pm
All_on_Red

Cha
Fuck him. Do you think there should be some “degree” of insult which is ok?
No no, his game is to push buttons but two can play that game.
Diddums.
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November 17, 2014 8:27pm
All_on_Red

Redbaiter
I have observed the way a little group on here gang up on you. Sure, you’re probably used to it but it’s noticeable that Griff is one of the drivers.
It’s just out and out bullying and designed to damage and hurt you.
It’s disgusting. So fuck Griff. If he’s going to be a bully I’ll fuck with his head too.
He stops. I stop, otherwise I’m going to stick it to him everyday. And believe me I can be a real cunt.
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November 17, 2014 8:31pm
Kea

All_on_Red, as a general rule it is best to keep family and non participants out of all this. There is plenty to have Griff on about without doing that and that comment will have people siding with Griff.
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November 17, 2014 8:35pm
mikenmild

Kimbo
1981 was difficult for me. I idolised Graham Mourie and could not reconcile the correct moral stance with my fervent desire to see the Springboks. I went of course and that day at Athletic Park is still seared into my memory. The streets blocked off with rubbish skips, the protesters making their way through the town belt to emerge on Macalister Park, the interminable wait in the drizzle with the curtain riaser cancelled and then the shocking assault by the Springboks. 24-0 at half-time IIRC!
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November 17, 2014 8:36pm
Redbaiter

All_on_Red

I’ll give you some free advice.

Grief and the usual band of cowards liars and smearers who hang out on GD are not worth the trouble.

IOW they’re not worth getting upset about.

They’re lowlife vermin without any kind of moral compass. So it doesn’t matter a lot what they say or do because you know if you knew them as real people you wouldn’t have them as friends and you wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.

They’re just worthless pieces of shit and if you let them get to you they win.

I repeat, they’re not worth the discomfort of dealing with them.

But hey, if you want to swim in the shit filled sewer they make of this place, then go for it.

But I think you’d be making a mistake.
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November 17, 2014 8:37pm
Kea

I repeat, they’re not worth the discomfort of dealing with them.

But hey, if you want to swim in the shit filled sewer they make of this place, then go for it.

But I think you’d be making a mistake.

This is remarkable from a little fella who has ranted and raged across the internet and has been a regular infestation on KB for years, swimming in the prog sewer hurling impotent abuse in all directions 🙂
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November 17, 2014 8:41pm
mikenmild

I’ll give some free advice too. Redbaiter and All_on_Red are almost invariably wrong, on every topic, every day.
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November 17, 2014 8:42pm
Kimbo

@ big bruv

“But the memories of 1977…Now those were the days!…Yes we cared about Rugby but we did not pretend that the NZ team were “world famous” and “the greatest sporting team the world has ever seen”.

Actually, bb, the following quote from the next year by Bob Jones at his amusing best (New Zealand the way I want it, 1978) puts the lie to that. Or at least you are remembering with rose-tinted glasses:

“Ask any dozen New Zealanders to name the most unique characteristic of our nation and what do you suppose they would reply?

The less travelled might trot out the old chestnut about ‘friendly people’ which, incidentally is the first thing you will read in any tourist brochure for any country you can name. In fairness, and quite properly so, I have never read such a claim in a French tourist brochure and, to take it a bit further, I am sure the Germans would not have the gall. The fact is that most people everywhere are friendly and it is not unique to New Zealand.

The next most probable answer is the ‘unique beauty of New Zealand’, but again a traveller will find the same claim in every nation’s tourist pamphlets, and again, quite properly so, although the Australians are pushing their luck rather in flogging that line along with the rest of the world.

Still hyperbole is not confined to our Tasman brothers, for of that dozen New Zealanders there’s bound to be one wet prick who will talk about ‘the noble Maori people’ or an embarrasing oaf who will refer to the All Blacks, who in fact are unheard of by 99.9 per cent of the world’s population, while if anyone mentions ‘Kiwi ingenuity’ I will break down and cry.

I am sure that most of us, if given half an hour to ponder our answer would end up flummoxed, unable to determine a particular unique New Zealand characteristic not offered by any other nation. I would have a spontaneous answer – the absession with the accursed economy.”
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November 17, 2014 8:43pm
hj

Why the Waitangi Tribunal’s report on the status and effect of the Treaty changes nothing – and potentially everything.
The state has sovereignty because it says it does. Every country has a narrative about how it came into existence (whether true or not makes no difference) and this is recognised by international law. The coursts don’t judge the validity of the state (it is none of their business).

It will be apparant by this point that in my view the Acts do not derive their current legal authority from the Treaty, that they are binding upon all persons within the territory of New Zealand, that the territory of New Zealand embraces Mayor Island/Tuhua and that the statutes are therefore binding upon the applicants. No-one should underestimate the importance of the Treaty of Waitangi but the acts or omissions of one’s ancestors with respect to the Treaty can have no bearing upon one’s liability under a New Zealand statute of general application

http://pundit.co.nz/content/kereru-meet-felis-catus
Mad Catherine

“The ruling is actually very positive for New Zealand and opens the door for more positive engagement on Te Tiriti and a sounder basis for redress,” said Ms Delahunty.

https://www.greens.org.nz/news/press-releases/historic-waitangi-tribunal-ruling-should-be-taken-seriously-government
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November 17, 2014 8:43pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness I am but a simple, pure at heart sheep-shagger! 🙂
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November 17, 2014 8:44pm
All_on_Red

Gee Mikey, you almost got to three sentences with that post. Am I right or am I wrong?
Btw, you didnt answer my question. Do you believe everything the IPCC report?
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November 17, 2014 8:49pm
Griff

All_in_Red
I warned you about including someones personal life at least three times now.
I have emailed dpf..
Not that you upset me just because you are such a cheap dirty wanker.
and red you got a honorable mention..
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November 17, 2014 8:50pm
Kea

Johnboy, Red came up with a new name tonight: Oily.

He must have followed up on that vocab-builder link I gave him. 🙂
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November 17, 2014 8:52pm
big bruv

You get in on a road. You are opening the innings. You are facing a pretty ordinary attack by test standards. Your team was just humiliated in the previous game, and, you are the captain. So, what do you do?

1. Bat responsibly, try and set up the game to at least a point where you will not lose?

or

2. Bat like a fucking idiot, get out to an innocuous delivery from an innocuous bowler and bat the entire innings in a fashion that might suggest you are more interested in advertising your wares for the next round of the IPL?
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November 17, 2014 8:52pm
dad4justice

Harden up nark gripp.
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November 17, 2014 8:52pm
Johnboy

Lanolin is much more slippery than oily is. More fun too! 🙂
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November 17, 2014 8:54pm
Kea

Dad, yep. Snitches die in ditches.
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November 17, 2014 8:54pm
All_on_Red

Griff
Oh diddums. Being a “nark” now. Personal insults are personal insults. You desist or not. I hope DPF looks at all your comments so he can see what a demented bully you are.
Up to you.
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November 17, 2014 8:55pm
Kimbo

@ milkenmild

1981 was difficult for me.

In hindsight, no matter what soothing words come from the ANC I think the effects of boycotts and the protests on the edifice of apartheid were exaggerated. Nevertheless Mourie was right – it did a lot of harm to NZ and NZ rugby, so they shouldn’t have come. Although, while Muldoon may have initially made the wrong decision in not cancelling (yet in doing so he kept his 1975 and 1978 election promises), once the Hamilton game was cancelled and it became a matter of law and order, he most certainly did the right thing in seeing it through. The day the unrepresentative wreckers and bullies like Penny Bright dictate public policy is the day democracy dies.

In 1985, when I was playing in a team made up of nearly every nationality of the South Pacific, I had a bit more maturity to reflect that such a rich and enjoyable experience would be unlikely in South African rugby, no matter what attempts they were making to integrate. There is no such thing as normal sport in an abnormal society.

So I wasn’t too disappointed when the All Blacks tour that year was cancelled. And I didn’t bother spending much time following the fortunes of the Cavaliers the next year.

The rugby-follower part of me knew that without the Springoks at RWC 1987 there was a part of our win that was detracted from. But it sure as hell wasn’t our problem or fault South Africa, quite rightly, weren’t there.
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November 17, 2014 8:55pm
big bruv

Kimbo

If you read what the great man Bob Jones is saying it actually supports my argument. Yes of course there were one or two morons back then who insisted that the NZ team were world famous. But that was about it. Bob Jones says as much.
Indeed, most of the team from that era knew for themselves that they were largely unheard of outside of NZ. The difference these days is that we have the media and the NZRU pushing that lie constantly and a large majority of the supporters have been taken in by it.
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November 17, 2014 8:57pm
Johnboy

If a sheep bleats plaintively in a paddock and the shepherd is deafened by his own grunting who will hear? 🙂
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November 17, 2014 8:57pm
Kea

Johnboy, How come you can not buy those big thick lanolin smelling Jerseys anymore ?

I often wear that fine merino stuff, but I miss having a big old school Jersey. I have one that is just rags but cant bring myself to throw it out.
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November 17, 2014 8:57pm
publicwatchdog

hmmmm ……. John Key was a foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve.

FACT.

Could John Key have held that pivotal Wall Street banker job WITHOUT being a citizen of the USA?

How is it not a fair and simple question to which John Key should be able to give a simple YES or NO answer?

Penny Bright
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November 17, 2014 8:58pm
mikenmild

Kimbo
I still find it hilarious that John Key can’t remember whether he was pro-tour or anti-tour.
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November 17, 2014 8:59pm
Kea

big bruv, the difference, between then & now, is that rugby is a business. It is all about marketing and image being cultivated to attract sponsors and advertisers. That is why the media ram this banal drivel down our throats day after day after day. It is all about the $$$
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November 17, 2014 9:00pm
publicwatchdog

If any Kiwiblogger has an example of any statement I’ve ever made which is FACTUALLY inaccurate – please provide it.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

(Who ALWAYS puts her name to her posts)
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November 17, 2014 9:01pm
stigie

“hmmmm ……. John Key was a foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve”

So what !

“Could John Key have held that pivotal Wall Street banker job WITHOUT being a citizen of the USA”?

Who the hell cares Penny ?
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November 17, 2014 9:04pm
big bruv

“If any Kiwiblogger has an example of any statement I’ve ever made which is FACTUALLY inaccurate – please provide it.”

What?…all 2695 of them?

Ain’t nobody got time for that.
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November 17, 2014 9:04pm
Johnboy

If I send you some greasy wool Penny would you get your crowbars out and knit Kea a new jumper? 🙂
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November 17, 2014 9:05pm
publicwatchdog

How many Kiwibloggers have ever read the Oath that those applying for USA citizenship have to sign?

Penny Bright
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November 17, 2014 9:07pm
big bruv

How many Kiwibloggers are parasites and don’t pay their rates?
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November 17, 2014 9:09pm
Johnboy

You obviously have Penny. Are you defecting? How soon? 🙂
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November 17, 2014 9:09pm
AgentBallSack

Penny a question can’t be a fact. Nor can they be statements.
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November 17, 2014 9:10pm
publicwatchdog

Good try Big Bore …… (yawn)

At least – unlike your ANONYMOUS self – I have put my name to every one of my posts on Kiwiblog.

Penny Bright
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November 17, 2014 9:11pm
graham

Hmm …

Penny Bright very rarely answers simple questions that are put directly to her.

FACT.

Why on earth does she expect that John Key will treat her any differently to how she treats others?

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My daughter and my wife have dual citizenship. But both are completely devoted to New Zealand.

FACT.
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November 17, 2014 9:12pm
Kimbo

@ big bruv

Indeed, most of the team from that era knew for themselves that they were largely unheard of outside of NZ. The difference these days is that we have the media and the NZRU pushing that lie constantly and a large majority of the supporters have been taken in by it.

A couple of stories from the 1972-73 tour (no, not about Keith Murdoch): –

On their way over to Britain they played a game in New York, but as it was the era of the Black Panthers, the promoters made sure not to bill them as “The All Blacks” in case half of Harlem turned out and got angry at the false advertising.

Also, in London they were introduced to Muhammad Ali, who, on hearing the name of the team, said, “Anyone who goes by the name of ‘the All Blacks’ is all right by me!”.

@ mikenmild

I still find it hilarious that John Key can’t remember whether he was pro-tour or anti-tour.

Believe it or not there were people who weren’t particularly fussed either way – just like there are folks today who don’t give a crap either way about global warming, GE, or the GCSB or any of the other things the “clever’ pople say we should be passionate about. Key strikes me as an emminently sensible guy who uses his personal wisdom for practical problems, not abstractions.

And South Africa was a long way a way, and like I said, I’m still trying to quantify what masive effect sports boycotts were meant to have had on changing apartheid. About as much as stupid Jimmy Carter’s decision to boycott the 1980 Moscow Olympics over the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan…because Afghanistan is sure as hell a better country for it…not!
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November 17, 2014 9:13pm
thedavincimode

OK, so let me get this straight. The windmills aren’t killing all the birds but they are killing all our bats and we have to remove all our windows to save the birds?

This whole GW thing really is fucking us up. It might all be worth it were it not for the fact that this is the coldest November ever. I say kill the bats, leave the windows in and lets all shrug off another layer of clothing.
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November 17, 2014 9:13pm
Sponge

Penny,

Sorry for repeating myself (though to be fair it never bothers you) but so fucking what?

Sponge,

Attendee: Melbourne GP 2010
Attendee: Melbourne GP 2011
Attendee: Rugby World Cup 1987
Attendee: Rugby World Cup 1999
Attendee: Rugby World Cup 2011
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November 17, 2014 9:14pm
stigie

Penny, why dont you go and infiltrate that blog called True Blue …..?

Oh thats right, i forgot, nobody goes there !~
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November 17, 2014 9:16pm
publicwatchdog

Gosh – the Tax Payers Union purports to support ‘transparency’.

So do YOU agree Jordan Williams, that John Key should tell New Zealanders whether or not he’s also a citizen of the USA?

If not – why not?

Penny Bright
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November 17, 2014 9:17pm
Kimbo

@ graham

Hmm …

Penny Bright very rarely answers simple questions that are put directly to her.

FACT.

Why on earth does she expect that John Key will treat her any differently to how she treats others?

The self-righteous sense of entitlement of the disaffected and angry hippie.
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November 17, 2014 9:17pm
mikenmild

Sure Kimbo. I bet he can’t even recall voting in 1981. I mean, most sensible 20 year-olds would be above such abstractions.
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November 17, 2014 9:18pm
Johnboy

I’ve got tinted, double-glazed windows in my hovel. They have killed approximately 25 Kereru, a dozen Blackbirds/Thrushes and countless Silvereyes in the last 10 years. One day I really am going to be tempted to barbecue a Kereru instead of mumbling a few words in Murri over its corpse and casting it into the creek! 🙂
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November 17, 2014 9:22pm
Kea

“So do YOU agree…”

Penny, one thing we do all agree on is that you should pay your rates or be thrown onto the street and your house sold.

It is a disgrace that you have not been dealt with sooner by the council.
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November 17, 2014 9:22pm
nasska

If Penny is going to comment on Trueblue she’d better hurry stigie. It’s down to number 6,324,662 on the global rankings & sinking fast. 🙂

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/Truebluenz.com
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