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Steve (North Shore)

Where is Len and how much of my money is he going to spend today?
Little prick
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November 15, 2014 8:02am
mikenmild

Move to the Hutt Valley
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November 15, 2014 8:03am
Manolo

The most ~~honest~~ arrogant: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/14/obamacare-architect-mouths-off-again-as-videos-cause-problems-for-dems/

The mouth that won’t stop giving – and that has Democrats and the Obama administration cringing – has been caught shooting off on video, this time bragging how the Massachusetts health care system he helped design worked by ripping off millions of dollars from the federal government.

The latest videos of Jonathan Gruber come after House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi claimed Thursday she didn’t know who he is. Though Pelosi actually cited Gruber’s analysis — repeatedly — several years ago to boost the passage of ObamaCare, her office continued to insist he played no real role in the crafting of their bill.
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November 15, 2014 8:06am
Steve (North Shore)

Wellington is full of non productive lefties mike. I don’t think they can handle Aucklanders very well
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November 15, 2014 8:08am
duggledog

Shit those new drink driving limits are going to catch a few boys and girls out. Merry Christmas HANZ

However I really don’t know if the road toll is actually going to go down much.

This is a country (like so many in the West) where we have effectively rendered ourselves incapable of punishing or curbing the actions of clearly psychopathic anti social goblins like Philip Smith, burglars, you name it – let alone repeat drunk drivers.
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November 15, 2014 8:11am
mikenmild

Stay where you are and use your vote wisely, then.
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November 15, 2014 8:13am
IGM

mikenwimp: No one in their right mind would move to the Hutt, where idiots elected a Viagra-crazed MP, supporting an area top heavy with beneficiaries and public servants. For the size of the area, debt structure carried by ratepayers would be bugger all better than Auckland.
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November 15, 2014 8:16am
duggledog

Steve

Got your new valuation yet? My rates went up $200 this year, but next year (15 – 16) I’m picking another $700. Never mind Len, keep going. Bye bye POAL!

Like I said the other day, the silver lining is this – all the riff raff will be getting pushed out. Feel sorry for Huntly, Dargaville, Wellsford etc.

Meantime to cover costs I’ll just put my price up. Socialists – they never learn
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November 15, 2014 8:20am
Reid

You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/11/12/whitehouse-fail-obamacare-in-a-death-spiral/

and something interesting

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/quiet-revolution-astronomy
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November 15, 2014 8:24am
oldpark

Three DUM FUKS. from the l journalists school for scoundrels. Geriatric Soper from once was a decent radio station ZB. Cunliffe look-a like Dann from the Labour Party channel TVNZ. Ugly Gower from an almost bankrupt TV3.All three DUM FUKS are like the three monkeys when it comes to reporting on our Prime Minister John Key.Any good positive news and actions John Key does for the nation of NZ.The three mentioned news channel DUM FUKS go out of their way with poison and vitriol and attempt to denigrate John Key, always reporting in a completely negative way. Soper seems a real rat bag always refers to our Prime Minister as KEY,said this or KEY said whatever. A Prime Minister in NZ whatever colour or creed,deserves some form of respect,even though the THREE mentioned DUM FUKS are not prepared to acknowledge that NZ has one of the great Prime Ministers NZ has ever had.The THREE mentioned DUM FUKS are not good enough to lick his boots,or maybe even a little higher.
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November 15, 2014 8:30am
Reid

And what certain scum in the West has done to innocents, although most of you don’t even have even the first clue as to where the true responsibility for things like this lies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/youtube-video-shows-syria-boy-braving-sniper-fire-to-rescue-young-girl-trapped-in-shootout-9853477.html

This is a hint:
http://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/the-council-on-foreign-relations/
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November 15, 2014 8:32am
IGM

oldpark: Soper, who comes across as mild, is a raging socialist and confidant of Clark (he was a demonstrating ally of the thing). Scum such as he should not be in a position of influence in any media. Take a look at the infiltration of these losers in media, all types, being top heavy with the bastards. None have any guts and when approached on any topic, they are wimps, and conveniently get to hell out of the way. What about Vance, cohorting with a radical left-wing Viagra-crazed MP from the Hutt, is that what impartial journalism is all about?
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November 15, 2014 8:40am
Reid

And this is how they do it.

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/11/isis-psyop-final-phase-prolonging.html

Welcome to the nightmare, sheeple.
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November 15, 2014 8:41am
stephieboy

Reid, welcome to the real Sheeple like you who believe in such garbage.!
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November 15, 2014 8:46am
Griff

Reid id’s as a christian
Self Defined as a sheep in the Shepard Jesus flock.
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November 15, 2014 8:57am
Steve (North Shore)

duggledog,
My property value has gone from $460K to $595K. I am waiting for the excuses that will come with the Rates increase. What will I get over and above what I get now for this increase? Maybe a band of life jacket police at the boat ramp every time I go fishing? Maybe some flash curtains for Glenfield Library? Maybe some nice photos of Len and co on their next overseas junket?
This Council needs to be put under statutory management, but John Key will never do it
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November 15, 2014 8:58am
Hugh Pavletich

WANT AFFORDABLE NEW HOUSING NZ’S LABOUR PHIL TWYFORD ? … START WITH LAND SUPPLY

LABOUR CALLS FOR BUILDING COMPETITION … ANNE GIBSON … NZ HERALD

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11356841

Labour supporting (new housing development) competition – good … Kiwiblog

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/11/labour_supporting_competition_-_good.html

On the Kiwiblog thread above, I explain for New Zealand Labour Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyfords benefit, why land supply must be sorted, if housing construction industry performance and normal pricing is to be restored (as it was prior to the politicians and planners screwing it up) …

… ADDITIONAL POSTINGS ON KIWIBLOG THREAD …

• How come a box of screws in the US costs $US0.99c in the U.S and $NZ12 here ?
• Andrew Atkins VIDEO The New Zealand Housing Nightmare at MacroBusiness Australia
• Houston: We have a housing affordability problem
• Where is the nuts ‘n bolts research comparing us to Houston ?
• What the Americans pay $US500 per square metre starter build … while we pay about $NZ1,600 per square metre. Why ?
• Why New Zealand bubble economy is vulnerable
• (spoof) Are the Planners pulling in Goldie Hawn for Productivity Commission Land Supply Inquiry submission ?
• High density health risks … Dr Tony Recsei, Save Our Suburbs, Sydney explains
• Have New Zealand community groups communicated with Save Our Suburbs in Australia ?
• Did the media report REINZ’s latest Section / Lot price trends ?
• RMA reform … important Radio NZ report … with Smith, Twyford and the Greens
• Recent OECD report and essential RMA reforms and why
• RBNZ Govenor Wheeler explains housing macroprudential to MP’s
• Affordable housing market defined. What part of “3” doesn’t Winston Peters of NZ First understand ?
• Doing it tough … and tougher by the day … in Oz … (a hoot) David Colyer at Prosper / Macro … and the shocker Sydney Daily Tel Survey

Hugh Pavletich
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich
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November 15, 2014 8:59am
Inandout

Reid: After scrolling through the featured articles on Activistpost I was beginning to feel all was lost, and jumping off my roof seemed the only option; I was however saved by the supporting ad at the bottom of the page on how to ‘turn your girl’ into a hot chick. Phew, saved by my animal instincts, something the CIA haven’t yet mastered to control.
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November 15, 2014 9:01am
Redbaiter

“What about Vance, cohorting with a radical left-wing Viagra-crazed MP from the Hutt, is that what impartial journalism is all about?”

Vance just got married a few months ago. I doubt there’s anything going on with Mallard and we should not make these kind of baseless smears.

She’s a foreign born left wing propaganda agent who IMHO shouldn’t even be in the country after breaching national security but she doesn’t deserve untrue smears relating to her personal life.
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November 15, 2014 9:04am
stephieboy

Never in the field of human politics has so much disinformation being dissemination as with Obamacare and this is regardless of Jonathan Gruber and the gaffe he apologized for.

Take the example of the lies about Death Panels. An alleged victim of one was found to be patently false.

Claim: Obamacare “death panels” have executed a senior citizen named Dorothy Zbornak (or “Zborknak”) because she had outlived her usefulness.

False

http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/dorothyzbornak.asp#AS3EsLD7G2Epm8wv.99

This represents just the tip of the iceberg of complete fabrications and lies by the American and Republican far right.

Lies and fabrications that pale before Jonathan Gruber and represents trail of A litany of fabrications and distortions that go back to the Birther movement ,,Benghazi and the alleged IRS scandal
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November 15, 2014 9:05am
RF

oldpark & IGM.

I agree 100%. The 3 amigos are your typical left wing retards. The has been hack Soper is by far the worst of the bunch. No class……
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November 15, 2014 9:07am
OneTrack

Steve – “What will I get over and above what I get now for this increase?”

You will get a state house on Queen’s Wharf with a chandelier from Italy (no cheap Kiwi s**t for our Len).

You also get a feeling for the ruinous rates and assorted charges you will have to pay in the future once the white elephant train to nowhere gets under way.
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November 15, 2014 9:12am
Redbaiter

Bill Whittle’s top five Conservative principles. If you’re interested in understanding Conservatism Bill gives a good hard edged US perspective on the philosophy free of the distorted self serving cultural Marxist navel gazing crap that comes from other wittering pompous narcissistic self proclaimed fonts of Conservative wisdom that are frequently observed writing here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjGsLmAXTYs
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November 15, 2014 9:13am
tom hunter

When asked about Gruber at her weekly press briefing, Pelosi said:“I don’t know who he is. He didn’t help write our bill.”

Pelosi’s team was then shown video of herself in 2009 saying that “I don’t know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT’s analysis…”

As a result her spokesman said “She said she doesn’t ‘know who he is,’ not that she’s ‘never heard of him.’”

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Now that is spin, although it may depend on what the meaning of “is” is.
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November 15, 2014 9:15am
stephieboy

RF,I see like IGN you deal with anyone you disagree with by labeling them a left wing retard.?

Charming.!
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November 15, 2014 9:15am
stephieboy

tom hunter , I understand your a true believer of Death Panels.?

Own up.!

HA,HA,HA,HA.!
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November 15, 2014 9:18am
deadrightkev

That’s a good video on Conservatism RB.
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November 15, 2014 9:25am
Redbaiter

Thanks Kev. Bill Whittle does good stuff. His video on cultural Marxism that I posted the other day is a classic.
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November 15, 2014 9:28am
Inandout

IGM: Old Soper is affected by (a) alcohol, (b) a child bride, (c) left wing tendencies, and (d) being a friend of Cam Slater; not the most ideal of combinations.
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November 15, 2014 9:37am
Steve (North Shore)

OneTrack, I forgot about that State House piece of Art.
Maybe I should kick a few holes in the walls and break some windows to give it the real authentic look, just in case the Tourists get confused
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November 15, 2014 9:38am
Reid

FYI:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/depression-comes-lack-intuition-hindering-decision-making-processes-309980

Depression is all-encompassing in its effects on the mind and body. Not only does it make someone feel a deep sense of dread, sadness, and hopelessness, it also impedes other processes in the brain. One of these processes is the ability to make decisions, and a new study finds that the reason for this could be because depression takes away a person’s intuition.

Every one of us has some level of intuition, or the ability to come to conclusions within seconds, unconsciously, without thinking. It’s that feeling that something is just right, or wrong, without having any concrete reasons for such beliefs. Intuition is at the base of every decision; by unconsciously referring to previous lessons we’ve learned, we’re able to decide which path is the right one. It makes sense then, that people with depression are unable to tap into it. After all, they’re trying each and every day to find a way to get better — even when they see no hope — but without the ability to feel what their best course of action is, they’re left in a downward spiral…

…Aside from having lower intuition, the researchers also found that patients with depression were much more likely to ruminate. By thinking too analytically into why others don’t have similar problems, their decision-making skills become impaired, and creative thinking gets stifled. The findings give the researchers, and practitioners new insight into the inner-workings of the depressive mind, and offer new routes for therapeutic treatment.
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November 15, 2014 9:40am
Reid

(d) being a friend of Cam Slater;

Where do you get that from? I’d doubt that very much.
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November 15, 2014 9:45am
Gulag1917

Germany, Russia, China, India, Iran, plus other nations v USA, is the new global balance of power.
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November 15, 2014 9:59am
AgentBallSack

IGM – Mallard was damn lucky to get in he had to rely on the count of special votes. I think he had a majority of 300 at the end. Hardly elected, those of us that were originally in the Ohariu electorate until the boundaries changed almost wiped the grin off his face once and for all. Predicting this is Mallards last term, the only upside to him his he hates Cunliffe with a passion.
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November 15, 2014 10:00am
Inandout

Reid: I recall he made that comment before the election, I think that evening when Soper was barred from entering the Helensville electoral debate.
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November 15, 2014 10:01am
starboard

LMFAO ..”Move to the Hutt “…awww my stomach hurts..bawhaahahahaha..that’s good..
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November 15, 2014 10:02am
stephieboy

Bill Whittle is another tiresome Right Wing Conservative cabbage head who makes Gken Beck and Alex Jones look like models of enlightened and progressive thinking .
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November 15, 2014 10:03am
Reid

More sunlight for the sheeple. Will they ever learn or will they just keep bleating, looking for truth and getting the same level of results as the blind man in the dark room looking for the black cat that isn’t there? What say you, stephieboy et al?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-9-billion-witness-20141106

http://www.batr.org/corporatocracy/111214.html

enlightened and progressive thinking

Now there’s an oxymoron.
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November 15, 2014 10:14am
IGM

Red: Vance was getting married the same week she set up Dunne . . . she has no scruples when it comes to pushing left-wing doctrine! I did not mention “Duck” that was your conclusion.
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November 15, 2014 10:20am
Reid

the same week she set up Dunne

Don’t you mean: the same week Dunne set himself up?

I thought it was quite surprising the media didn’t try to remind Ohariu what he’d done. I mean I know the media are almost all complete idiots who understand nothing, but I’d have thought that was one obvious sitter tactic in their concerted efforts to oust the hated tories.
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November 15, 2014 10:21am
Manolo

@stephieboy: Just keep digging (and fellating Obama), mate.
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November 15, 2014 10:33am
Manolo

The monstrosity called “progressive” socialism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/with-goods-scarce-in-caracass-stores-street-sales-boom-and-officials-glower/2014/11/13/95b79f52-87da-442b-b7b3-cb0989903dd7_story.html

Authorities mostly turned a blind eye to the informal commerce, but late last month Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro went on TV to decree a ban on street sales of coffee, eggs, shampoo and some 50 other “regulated” items whose prices are capped by the government. He ordered the National Guard to police market stalls for such items as mayonnaise and powdered milk, and threatened to prosecute recidivist violators.
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November 15, 2014 10:38am
Kea

stephieboy, With increasing disquiet over Obama’s war crimes, I think it would assist America in gaining international credibility if they hand him over to face trial. Just as they did with Saddam. It would be a great step forward in global harmony.

When Obama is twitching on the end of a rope, he would have finally earned his Peace Prize.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/obama-administration-drone-strikes-war-crimes
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November 15, 2014 10:41am
alwyn

I think that the best thing the Labour Party can do is continue their leadership campaign and never actually get around to a vote. With no leader their polling numbers are going up. I guess it helps that nobody can pin any particular policy on the party at the moment.
The Greens and New Zealand First support on the other hand, with both of them having seemingly stable leadership, are dropping, at least according to Roy Morgan

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5929-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-november-9-2014-201411140037
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November 15, 2014 10:48am
Reid

I think that the best thing the Labour Party can do is continue their leadership campaign and never actually get around to a vote.

Yes.

It really does appear doesn’t it that the secret surveillance footage of a combined Liarbore-Gween strategic planning session is becoming more and more validated as each day passes.

Oh the truthiness!

P.S. Can anyone spot stephieboy? (Hint: it’s the one whose barking)
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November 15, 2014 11:06am
Paulus

Understand the Unions have already cast their votes – guess who ?
Old dreary who cannot win a real seat, even his mother does not vote for him.
Keeps on giving.
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November 15, 2014 11:18am
Fletch

This is what it has come down to. One of the scientists, Dr Matt Taylor, who helped land the NASA probe on that comet made the mistake of wearing a shirt with buxom, scantily-clad women on it. The guy is obviously a science-type geek. So what happens? He gets attacked for wearing it, and ends up making an apology during a second panel, and breaking down into tears.

Nice going, liberals. He helps do the nearly impossible in space, and all you can think of is feminism and political correctness.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/rosetta-scientist-apologises-over-sexists-t-shirt-video-6130852

The shirt ain’t THAT bad –
http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_site_images/world_news/2014/11/rosetta_scientist_apologises_over_sexists_t_shirt__1665446093.jpg
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November 15, 2014 11:19am
ste3e

Talk about squirm. Roger Douglas’ words on The Nation might have blamed parents for the hunger of their children but his squirming in his seat betrayed ownership of their poverty. May he rest in hell for consequences of his arrogance. It is not as if these consequences were not foreshadowed, it is rather that he believed them to be acceptable losses.
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November 15, 2014 11:20am
Sponge

ste3e – and exactly what sort of state do you think NZ would be in if he and the Labour Govt had not implemented their reforms?
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November 15, 2014 11:25am
Fletch

Christian fighters stand up to ISIS, push them out of a town they occupied.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2014/11/13/18985059/
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November 15, 2014 11:26am
Reid

betrayed ownership of their poverty

As repeatedly explained ste3e, the ONLY difference between you and I and a family who sleeps in a car along with their six children is our attitudes towards ourself vs their attitudes toward themselves.

And attitude is free.

And while attitude can be and is inculcated by external circumstance, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE AS PROVEN BY MANY EXAMPLES E.G. THE ART THAT CAME OUT OF THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND NELSON MANDELA’S ATTITUDE AFTER HIS INCARCERATION.

It’s in caps because you lefties apparently cannot and will not accept that simple reality.

And the tragic thing about you morons is that unless and until you idiots do in fact accept that simple reality, then nothing will ever change for the people who you complete and utter fools claim to care about.

And let’s not forget ste3e, whenever this simple point is raised, not one of you lefty morons has ever countered it, not once. Because you can’t. It’s a fact, and it exposes your worldview to be the palpably false tissue of lies it in fact is. And yet, like hamsters on a wheel, you idiots keep running, trying the same thing, expecting a different outcome, time and time and time again. And the incredibly interesting thing about that is, you guys CLAIM you’re the intelligent ones.
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November 15, 2014 11:32am
MH

There’s already a waiting list for that HC stone house because of the location.

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya…I think there is a word in the Bible for them…A-bomber-nations.

Good to see on Aljazeera TV the other night a sad but uplifting programme about an Afghani going to the land of the Free, leaving his country under threat of death, it showed a voting station where women in shawls and modest scarfs, with open smiling faces holding up their fingers to show the world and the camera that they had voted with the govt ink still wet in defiance of the Talibunnies who threatened to chop them off if they voted. What guts to do that…and here the bastards are too lazy to even enroll.
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November 15, 2014 11:42am
Shawn Herles

Gulag,

“Germany, Russia, China, India, Iran, plus other nations v USA, is the new global balance of power.”

Odd claim. Germany is US friendly and part of NATO, India is pro-US, Iran is not a global power, and Russia for all it’s recent posturing is in decline both economically and militarily. China is the only one on that list that is, to some degree, a competitor of any note, and China’s economy and growth is so bound up with the US and the rest of the world that any military action against the US would be an economic disaster. Not to mention that it will be more than 20 years or more before the PLA can match the US Military.

People have been claiming the imminent demise of the US since the Revolution. Every major crisis, the civil war, the great depression, has been used as “evidence” that the US is finished, and they have always been wrong.
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November 15, 2014 11:45am
flipper

ste3e…..

Yep, say6 we do it your way. Huh? Well we bring back 60+ % top tax rates. Bring back farmer’s SMP’s. Bring back a 12 month wait for a telephone. Bring back featherbedded rail, post, telegraph, wharf, and shipping. And Con Devitt.

You are one silly, dumb, uneducated fool. Or is it that your education was via deep red glasses????
Go away.

En passant, I never voted for R Douglas in Labour or ACT. But I know that we owe our current good economic condition to his reforms, coupled with those that followed the BNZ debacle.

There is no child poverty in NZ. Period. There is parental neglect. Period.
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November 15, 2014 11:48am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Gosh – aren’t you Kiwibloggers glad that there is at least ONE Auckland Council citizen (and former) ratepayer who is standing up to this Auckland extortionist ‘Supercity for the 1%’?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 15, 2014 11:50am
Kea

The US is finished Shawn, it is just that some people can not see it, or simply do not not know what else to do, so they keep pretending all is OK.
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November 15, 2014 11:54am
flipper

Reid (16,588 comments) says:

November 15th, 2014 at 11:32 am

****

Thanks. A very nice summary. But I doubt the F’wit has the ability to learn.
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November 15, 2014 11:54am
Reid

I doubt the F’wit has the ability to learn.

So do I Flipper. The overweening sanctimonious hallucination that they and only they are the truly righteous ones throws up an anti-logic forcefield more powerful than an electron storm from a solar flare. Combine that with the huge emotional drag effect from their ever-bleeding widdle hearts and you get a beam-cross that no mere mortal can withstand, not even if he had superpowers.
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November 15, 2014 12:04pm
Shawn Herles

“The US is finished Shawn.”

I love these evidence free assertions you make kea. Always entertaining. 🙂

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth…………..
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November 15, 2014 12:07pm
RF

stephieboy. 9.15am

Yes… Next question
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November 15, 2014 12:12pm
Shawn Herles

For kea’s education.

Natural Gas Boom Is Attracting Manufacturing To The US From Overseas To Take Advantage Of Cheaper Fuel, Feedstock.

“In the wake of the American shale gas boom and the resulting cheaper power, U.S. manufacturers have been moving their work back home from overseas, and now foreign manufacturers, especially from Europe, are moving their facilities to the U.S.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/natural-gas-boom-attracting-manufacturing-us-overseas-take-advantage-cheaper-fuel-1582512

European Manufacturing Firms Moving to USA

“Agracel has seen a dramatic increase in the number of projects in our pipeline that involve foreign manufacturers, especially European firms, many of which are looking at establishing their first American beachhead. During the past year we did an expansion for a French-Japanese auto parts joint venture in Scottsboro, AL; sold a building to an Italian agricultural equipment manufacturer in DeWitt, IA; and leased a building to a French tire manufacturer in Greer, SC. At the end of 2013 we were working with prospects from Germany, Netherlands, France, and Italy.

From our perspective it appears that this movement of European firms to American soil is in its infancy and will continue for some time. It is driven by how poorly their economy has recovered from the Great Recession, exasperatingly complex and costly regulations, and the increasingly wide disparity between energy and electricity costs in Europe and the USA.”

http://www.agracel.com/481-2014-trends-that-excite-agracel-1european-manufacturing-firms-moving-to-usa/

Manufacturers Love U.S., Mexico

“Still, the good news is that manufacturing is returning to the U.S. In fact, the new global hot spots for widget making assembly lines are right here in North America, led by us and our Mexican neighbors.

A new report by the Boston Consulting Group called the U.S. and Mexico the “rising global stars” of worldwide manufacturing.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/08/19/manufacturers-love-u-s-mexico/
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November 15, 2014 12:21pm
Reid

Yes, the US is finished. Its poisonous leaders since the 1920’s have seen to that. Those who don’t see it are either idiots or they’re suffering from a similar syndrome I outlined in my 12.04 and just like the lefties, they don’t even know it’s happening to them.

Of course BCG were part of the very same grouping along with McKinsey who were braying in the early 1990’s about what a very good idea offshoring would be and what a fantastic boon it would bring, weren’t they.
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November 15, 2014 12:23pm
stigie

“Gosh – aren’t you Kiwibloggers glad that there is at least ONE Auckland Council citizen (and former) ratepayer who is standing up to this Auckland extortionist ‘Supercity for the 1%’’?

Gosh Penny, i notice you had “former ratepayer” in that piece you just wrote….
Why are you still using the Auckland City Councils services when you have no right at all to be using them ?
I see this as “corruption” Penny !~
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November 15, 2014 12:25pm
Shawn Herles

“Yes, the US is finished.”

Any credible evidence Reid? Because in order to claim other’s are idiots for not seeing the obvious, you must have some obvious evidence. Especially, evidence to counter the facts about US manufacturing I posted.

Yes? No?
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November 15, 2014 12:27pm
Manolo

There are lying, self-serving academics everywhere:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/14/despite-dem-claims-trash-talking-gruber-was-well-paid-adviser-for-obamacare-and/

Gruber, an MIT professor and economist, has lived amid the health care debate in Washington for at least 20 years.

Gruber was retained by the Department of Health and Human Services in 2009 on a $297,600 contract to provide “technical assistance in evaluating options for national healthcare reform.” Gruber also confirmed to The Washington Post that he was paid another $95,000 before that, for a total of nearly $400,000.
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November 15, 2014 12:28pm
flipper

Reid (16,591 comments) says:

November 15th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

****

More good stuff. You sound a bit like Arthur C Clarke, but he was not too far out, was he? 🙂
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November 15, 2014 12:28pm
Reid

Any credible evidence

Plenty, but one has to be willing to take it in, and the evidence is, you’re not ready to, so I won’t bother telling you where it is, at which point I predict you will begin loudly braying I don’t have any, notwithstanding any moron, even you, could easily find it himself, with a few simple keywords.

Like I said, blind man, dark room, black cat that isn’t there. That’s you, in your search for “evidence.”

Incidently, why did Jackson, on his deathbed, when asked what his greatest achievement was, say: “I beat the bank?”
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November 15, 2014 12:37pm
Shawn Herles

America’s not in decline — it’s on the rise.

“But predicting the decline of the United States has always been risky business. In the 1970s and late 1980s, expectations of waning power were followed by periods of geopolitical resurgence.

There’s every reason to believe that cycle is recurring today. Despite gridlock in Washington, America is recovering from the financial crisis and combining enduring strengths with new sources of influence, including energy. Meanwhile, emerging powers are running into troubles of their own. Taken together, these developments are ushering in a new era of American strategic advantage.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-not-in-decline–its-on-the-rise/2013/10/18/4dde76be-35b1-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_story.html

America In Decline? That’s Still Just A Myth.

“America is not in decline. One of the most widespread media narratives of the 21st century does not hold up to inspection.

American primacy is a recent enough historical phenomenon that our citizens too easily suspect it to be waning. Since the end of World War II alone, Americans have nervously braced themselves to be passed up by Soviet military muscle, Saudi oil, Japanese and German ingenuity—and more recently by the ascendance of China and India.

Over the past few years, I’ve examined the notion of American decline in a number of different settings and contexts, ranging from a rambling 6,000-word academic piece in Johns Hopkins’ SAIS Review of International Affairs to shorter pieces for CNN.com and elsewhere.

Certain realities still hold up, and certain myths continue to crumble. On the eve of the Fourth of July, let’s quickly summarize why reports of America’s demise are terrifically exaggerated:”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2013/07/03/america-in-decline-thats-still-just-a-myth/

Is America in Decline? Not So Fast

“The U.S. remains the top global competitor, thanks to its entrepreneurship and superior higher education.”

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/04/09/is-america-in-decline-no-so-fast
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November 15, 2014 12:38pm
Shawn Herles

“Plenty, but one has to be willing to take it in, and the evidence is, you’re not ready to, so”

So, that’s no evidence then.

“I won’t bother telling you where it is,”

Of course not. 🙂

“at which point I predict you will begin loudly braying I don’t have any”

Because you obviously don’t, or you know that it will not be credible evidence, but conspiracy theories.

“notwithstanding any moron, even you, could easily find it himself, with a few simple keywords.”

Look above at my previous two posts at 12:21 and 12:38. I did, with a few simple key words, find a great deal of evidence to the contrary.

I can back up my view with plenty of evidence. So far all I have seen from you and kea are evidence free assertions.
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November 15, 2014 12:41pm
Reid

See? I told you you’d bray there wasn’t any. You should stop being so predictable, lest you prove to everyone else what some of us already know.

I too can back up my view with plenty of “evidence” but as I said, there’s no point because (a) you, even you, can find it yourself and (b) you’re not ready to read it because you hallucinate you already know what the answer is. Which is called what?

BTW, I asked you a question. Going to answer it?
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November 15, 2014 12:45pm
stephieboy

Kea, this of course won’t be a war crime especially if used to subdue pesky dissident nationalities both within and on Russia’s border.?,

Massive New Attack Drone Under Development in Russia

http://www.livescience.com/40222-russia-attack-drone.html

Russia substantially expands its Drone fleet,

http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-looks-modernize-its-airpower-huge-drone-project-1557496
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November 15, 2014 12:51pm
kowtow

Reid Thanks for that link at 832 ,the one you said is a “hint” about responsibility……..

…..I’ve just put on my new tin foil hat and feel much better!
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November 15, 2014 12:51pm
Shawn Herles

“See? I told you you’d bray there wasn’t any.”

Because you didn’t/couldn’t post it. Simple as that. Making assertions on a debate forum then refusing to post any evidence to back up said assertions, is not credible, and nor is your excuse for not doing so.

If you can counter the evidence I HAVE posted, do so, or admit defeat and move on.

“BTW, I asked you a question. Going to answer it?”

Yes. You do realize that it’s the 21st century, right?
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November 15, 2014 12:54pm
IGM

See McDonald is up for parole. What are the socialists going to do here? Use taxpayers’ money to buy him a farm; they must have some way to kick everyone who pays taxes in the guts once again.
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November 15, 2014 12:58pm
stephieboy

Reid, what an extraordinary remark America’s finished..! On whose say so .? BS from Paul Craig Roberts ,Ron Paul or say Global Research. Etc .?

BTW which nation still wins the most Nobel prizes in the physical and medical sciences.? Which country still produces the most technologically advanced air craft .?Still a leader in space research not to speak of Computer hard ware and software technology .
And it goes on.
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November 15, 2014 1:04pm
Reid

You do realize that it’s the 21st century, right?

You do realise the US’ current problems are a result of things that have been going on for a long time, right? (I know you don’t, but they are.)

Of course Bush 41 really accelerated them and ever since the poor ole US of A has been on a one-way track at lightspeed, but part of understanding anything is understanding origins, and before you can look at what Bush started and what every Administration since has continued, you need to understand those origins, not that you’re ready yet, I’m really just talking to others who have open minds which doesn’t of course, include yours.

stephie: blind man, check. Dark room, check. Black cat, check. Not there, check. You should get some help before you hurt yourself mate.
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November 15, 2014 1:04pm
Kea

stephieboy, good point. Many countries are being forced to protect themselves from Obama, though they would prefer not to spend money on war toys.

The black warlord currently spends more on defense [attack] than the next EIGHT countries combined. Hanging this vile savage will save the US a fortune and may even stop its crumble into ruin.
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November 15, 2014 1:07pm
Fletch

Manolo, according to the info that Gateway Pundit has on that site, Gruber met with just about every person of note re: the wrangling over Obamacare, including CBO Director, Robert Gibbs, Axelrod and Barack Obama.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/boom-gruber-white-house-meeting-included-cbo-director-obama-robert-gibbs/
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November 15, 2014 1:07pm
Kea

Shawn, yeah talk it up. It is what you people do best. I won’t be sorry when that stain on humanity is finally sorted out. I used to be a very strong supporter of the US. Then I woke up and saw through the propaganda and bullshit.
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November 15, 2014 1:10pm
Shawn Herles

“stephie: blind man, check. Dark room, check. Black cat, check. Not there, check. You should get some help before you hurt yourself mate.”

Reid, once again, zero evidence to counter what I have posted. I have clearly shown that the US is not remotely in decline, and used several articles with facts and figures showing this to be so.

All you can do is resort to claims of special knowledge based on conspiracy theories about banks.

Blind means refusing to acknowledge facts, and keeping your head in the sand when evidence contrary to your claims is presented.
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November 15, 2014 1:13pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn, yeah talk it up. It is what you people do best. ”

Actually, what I did was post a large amount evidence showing your claim to be bullshit.

But, you ignore that, and just keep making evidence free assertions. Ignoring evidence and making baseless assertions is what you do best.
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November 15, 2014 1:16pm
Shawn Herles

“The black warlord……Hanging this vile savage”

Joining Red in the White Supremacist camp kea? 😉

Oh dear, you’re not very good at this debate thing are you. 🙂
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November 15, 2014 1:20pm
publicwatchdog

Thank you Stigie for proving that you simply don’t have a clue as to the proper definition of ‘corruption’?

Probably one of the reasons why New Zealand is riddled with endemic corruption within both central and local government, because practices that other countries define as CORRUPT are just situation normal practice here.

Try googling ‘State capture’ and ‘post-separation employment’?

I bet most whining Kiwibloggers have never even heard of these two forms of ‘grand’ corruption which are endemic here in New Zealand.

Penny Bright

EFFECTIVE anti-corruption whistle-blower. 😉
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November 15, 2014 1:42pm
Kea

Shawn, Obama joins a long list of black leaders such as: Idi Amin, Mugabe & General Buck Naked [sic]

He is by far the most murderous and dangerous of the three.

He should be tortured at Gitmo, then hung. Just as he is doing to others and just as was done to Saddam. I do not hate him for being black, but for what he is doing. His tortured body twitching on a rope, as he did with Saddam, will be justice seen to be done.
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November 15, 2014 1:43pm
publicwatchdog

Perish the thought that I ‘thread jack’!

Apologise is all I can do.

I’ll ask again – when is ‘honest John’ – ex-Wall Street banker, and current shareholder in the Bank of America, going to put on whatever hat he feels is appropriate for this occasion, and tell us all YES or NO, whether or not he has dual citizenship and is also a citizen of the United States of America?

Why is this important?

Because it’s a question of allegiance.

Whose interests are being served by NZ Prime Minister John Key?

Who is John Key REALLY working for?

Follow the dollar ……

Penny Bright
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November 15, 2014 1:51pm
Kea

Global debt is around 230 Trillion dollars. The US share of that is 60 Trillion ! That is over 25% of all the debt in the entire world, spread among 300 million people.

The US is stuffed. And no amount of God will save them. The culture and the economy is diseased.

x this by 60

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html
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November 15, 2014 1:52pm
kowtow

“Liberal ” Germany is taken by surprise that some people are taking to the streets over the threat from massive Muslim immigration.
This is just the beginning.And it is the mainstream politicians, media, academics etc who have allowed this situation to occur.

Oh well ,the joys of multiculturalism, the diversity dividend …….plain to see.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-right-wing-alliance-of-neo-nazis-and-hooligans-appears-in-germany-a-1000953.html
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November 15, 2014 1:54pm
Fletch

Kea, I probably wouldn’t go as far as you re: Obama, but I do agree that he needs to be impeached. Next week, apparently, he is going to authorize amnesty for 5 million illegal immigrants. And last week he went around Congress with his Chinese deal on climate change. He has no more elections and nothing to lose, so is going all out, like some kind of king.
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November 15, 2014 1:57pm
Kea

Fletch, yeah in reality I would not go that far either. But I do not believe he acts in the best interests of the American people and object to the wars. I want the wars and the killing to stop. I want him to do what is best for his people. He can then enjoy his retirement with my best wishes !
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November 15, 2014 2:03pm
chiz

Russia to create own version of ‘unreliable’ wikipedia:

[…]

The statement did not specify any particular Wikipedia pages that were inaccurate, although state censors are unlikely to approve of pages detailing SORM, the Government’s online surveillance system, or listing alleged human rights abuses including “systematic torture of persons in custody by police”.

[…]

The encyclopedia initiative comes after a string of efforts seen to be increasing the Kremlin’s control of the internet, including laws forcing bloggers with more than 3,000 daily readers to register with Government regulators.

In March, websites run by Putin’s opponents and critics were blocked and in July, a bill was passed requiring all Russian citizens’ personal data to be stored within the country.

The Russian President, who has previously called the internet a “CIA project” also approved a law to establish criminal responsibility for anyone who sends or shares text, pictures or videos that fall foul of Government policy.
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November 15, 2014 2:10pm
Shawn Herles

“I want the wars and the killing to stop.”

No you don’t. If it were up to you ISIS would have free reign to commit genocide and spread terrorism around the globe. Thus you are in favor of wars and killing, so long as it is being done by anti-Jewish and anti-American terrorists.
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November 15, 2014 2:15pm
Shawn Herles

“Global debt is around 230 Trillion dollars. The US share of that is 60 Trillion ! That is over 25% of all the debt in the entire world, spread among 300 million people.”

And yet, European and other manufacturers are increasingly moving to the US, which means more wealth and more tax to pay off debt.

“The culture and the economy is diseased.”

Except that the mass of evidence I posted does not support this assertion.

http://www.ibtimes.com/natural-gas-boom-attracting-manufacturing-us-overseas-take-advantage-cheaper-fuel-1582512

http://www.agracel.com/481-2014-trends-that-excite-agracel-1european-manufacturing-firms-moving-to-usa/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/08/19/manufacturers-love-u-s-mexico/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-not-in-decline–its-on-the-rise/2013/10/18/4dde76be-35b1-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_story.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2013/07/03/america-in-decline-thats-still-just-a-myth/

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/04/09/is-america-in-decline-no-so-fast

Yup, really not very good at this debate thing. 🙂
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November 15, 2014 2:18pm
kowtow

The IRA ,were and are always the first to claim the high moral ground,to scream injustice.They were and are nothing but a bunch of murdering scum.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/funeral-held-for-ira-murder-victim-brendan-megraw-1.2001010
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November 15, 2014 2:19pm
publicwatchdog

Hey Stigie – have you done your own ‘due diligence’ yet, and compared the information provided on your latest Auckland Council Rates Assessment Notice with s.45 of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002?

See how many areas of statutory non-compliance you can find, then we can swap notes?

Please be reminded that I don’t charge, or get paid for my voluntary ‘public service’ work in this area.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 15, 2014 2:22pm
Shawn Herles

America’s future. Conservative teen rocks West Virginia politics.

“Saira Blair became the youngest state legislator in the nation earlier this month when she won the contest for a delegate seat in the West Virginia state legislature with 63 percent of the vote.

Only 18 years old, the college freshman ran most of the campaign from her dorm room at West Virginia University where she majors in Economics and Spanish. Her constitutional conservative platform focuses on 2nd Amendment rights and decreased spending from a pro-life, pro-faith, and pro-family perspective.”

http://www.worldmag.com/2014/11/conservative_teen_rocks_west_virginia_politics

Who said the young are all liberals? 🙂
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November 15, 2014 2:27pm
chiz

Earlier this year Ukrainian intelligence released an intercepted phone call by Igor Besler in which he admitted responsibility for shooting down MH17. Now there are rumours that the Russians have killed him for hindering Russian plans.
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November 15, 2014 2:27pm
chiz

And it isn’t just Ukraine:

Earlier in the week Latvian media reported areas in the country densely populated by Russians were being canvassed by campaigners, drumming up support for the territory to join Russia.

and also

At the same time, Russia is engaging in information warfare against its small neighbours to the West. According to Latvia’s foreign ministry, Russian-affiliated outlets assert that Latvia’s integration into the Western hemisphere was a geopolitical mistake; that the country has always been a part of Russia; that the country discriminates against ethnic minorities including its 26% share of Russians; and that Latvia supports Nazism.
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November 15, 2014 2:34pm
stigie

“Hey Stigie – have you done your own ‘due diligence’ yet, and compared the information provided on your latest Auckland Council Rates Assessment Notice with s.45 of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002”?

Hey Penny, I have done my own “due diligence” on you and have found you to be corrupt for using the Auckland City Councils services when you have no intention of paying for them !~
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November 15, 2014 2:41pm
Kea

“And yet, European and other manufacturers are increasingly moving to the US”

Yeah I guess that is why everything has: Made In CHINA, written all over it ?
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November 15, 2014 2:47pm
stephieboy

chiz, most interesting about Latvia and the other Baltic states. The Soviets pursued a policy of” Russification ” namely deliberately encouraging Russian immigration to Latvia etc to discourage “breakaway” and “independence” tendacies and hence the current bullying behaviour towards the Baltic states comes as no surprise.

Its myth that Latvia , Lithuania and Estonia have always been a part of Russia with each country enjoying distinctive languages and culture quite different to Russian.

Typical Kremlin and their media like RT ploy to accuse them of discrimination and Neo Nazi designs and aspirations Becoming like a formula re Ukraine.
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