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November 13, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 13 November 2014

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Reid

Actually Johnboy I have a $100 voucher for the Lighthouse that expires May next year – real estate agent gave it to me for the house sale but on the night we went, my last night in Eastbourne they had a pvte function and we couldn’t use it. It’s no use to me, you interested?

Discernment between good and evil is an inbuilt human ability.

Haven’t you heard of Christian gifts Lucia. Discernment is one. And it’s the specific ability to understand spiritual machinations.
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November 13, 2014 8:30pm
mikenmild

There is certainly a lot of synergy between religious belief and hearing voices in one’s head, Lucia.
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November 13, 2014 8:30pm
Johnboy

Little Andy is the man that Labour need. They need an engineer to dig themselves out of the hole they are in.

Apart from looking a lot like Cromwell he reminds me of this little engineer:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=isambard+kingdom+brunel&biw=1366&bih=633&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LF5kVOXaA4e-mAWpgoL4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CJIBEIke
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November 13, 2014 8:32pm
Kea

Discernment between good and evil is an inbuilt human ability.

Thanks Lucy. You just did more than I ever could to undermine Christianity with that one. 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:35pm
Johnboy

Lucia/Reid/Milkey/Johnboy/Nasska/Stigie/Red……etc…..etc…etc?

A hundred bucks could maybe buy the first round Reid! 🙂

I’m keen if anyone else is! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:36pm
Johnboy

Sorry Kea. Forgot you. You’re invited too….goes without saying really! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:37pm
mikenmild

Not tonight, Johnboy. But pop on over to the Bell sometime.
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November 13, 2014 8:38pm
Johnboy

Can’t do that Milkey. That’s the last watering hole before Gee & Hicktons! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:42pm
nasska

The annual Running of the Ewes Festival held recently in Wainuiomata.

Johnboy’s “Flossie” third from right in first bunch. 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0earwll16vq1v6/Sheep%20%2070.jpg?dl=0
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November 13, 2014 8:42pm
Reid

I’ll be in touch Johnboy.
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November 13, 2014 8:43pm
Johnboy

You have my mail Reid! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:45pm
Reid

I do.
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November 13, 2014 8:46pm
mikenmild

Each to his own Johnboy. It’s likely that our paths will never cross.
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November 13, 2014 8:47pm
Johnboy

They already have Milkey. You just never noticed! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:48pm
mikenmild

Should I be looking over my shoulder? Stalker alert!
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November 13, 2014 8:53pm
Kea

“Sorry Kea. Forgot you. You’re invited too….goes without saying really! ”

Love to mate, but Kea don’t fly that far North, well not after a few drinks they don’t 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:59pm
Johnboy

Who was that enormously handsome man at the Bells window table a wee while back that gave you a subtle smile? 🙂
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November 13, 2014 8:59pm
mikenmild

Happens to me so often that I couldn’t single out one occasion.
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November 13, 2014 9:02pm
Johnboy

Stick to the southern area Kea. I always found you meet a better class of bird there.

Did I ever tell you about the gorgeous third mate from Gore I once met on the old Stewart Island ferry? 🙂
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November 13, 2014 9:03pm
Johnboy

I’ve heard about you HOBM chaps Milkey. That’s why I always sit with my arse to the window at the Bell! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 9:05pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Haven’t you heard of Christian gifts Lucia. Discernment is one. And it’s the specific ability to understand spiritual machinations.

Yes, I do know about them. Those with the best gifts tend to be the most humble.

Johnboy,

Not me, I’m not going anywhere near you.

Kea,

You just did more than I ever could to undermine Christianity..

No, I haven’t. For the sole reason that every act of evil that is not forgiven reduces capacity to choose to do good in the future. Christianity is all about God coming down to earth to make sure we can be forgiven, so we can being again with a new heart.
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November 13, 2014 9:08pm
stephieboy

In response to the WSJ article by Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer posted earlier inveighing against climate change .

Here below is a comprehensive , nuanced and detailed rebuttal. I’ve included the first two paragraphs that details ,amongst many things just who the WSj contributors are . Very important as it provides much needed context and perspective as to their real qualifications and capabilities as well as agenda on a most important and complex issue ,

WSJ’s shameful climate denial: The scientific consensus is not a myth
97% of scientists agree that man-made climate change is happening, and a transparent Op-Ed fails to argue otherwise

“Climate change is a tricky subject to talk about: It’s a large, complex scientific issue that’s both difficult to grasp in full and extremely important for the public to understand. In our shorthand for making sense of it, one statistic is often thrown about: 97 percent of scientists agree that man-made climate change is happening. Yet a big, impressive-looking Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal asserts the number is a “myth.” WSJ’s claim is wrong, of course, but where its authors fail to debunk a popular meme, they also manage to make a much more insidious, and radical, argument.

First things first, we should be extremely skeptical of any argument this article is trying to make, even despite its appearance in the hallowed pages of the Journal. It’s bylined, after all, by two prominent climate deniers: The first, Joseph Bast, is identified as the president of the Koch-affiliated Heartland Institute, a veritable machine of climate denial, with the implicit mission statement of sowing confusion and dissent about accepted science. (For another standout example of Bast’s opinion writing, try this 1998 editorial asserting that smoking, in moderation, has “few, if any, adverse health effects.”) The Op-Ed’s other author is Roy Spencer, “a principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville and the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer on NASA’s Aqua satellite” and official Heartland expert. Spencer’s academic credentials, a rarity among climate deniers, lend weight to his arguments despite the fact that both his work and financial motivations have been repeatedly called into question. Bast and Spencer are motivated to debunk the 97 percent “myth” because they have a vested interest, via their affiliation with Heartland, in getting the public to believe that the scientists are a lot less certain about the reality of man-made climate change than they actually are….”

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/28/wsjs_shameful_climate_denial_the_scientific_consensus_is_not_a_myth/
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November 13, 2014 9:08pm
Johnboy

Johnboy,

Not me, I’m not going anywhere near you.

Not even if Reid is paying? 🙂
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November 13, 2014 9:12pm
Lucia Maria

Not even then.
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November 13, 2014 9:16pm
Johnboy

I can tell you are getting slightly interested in my proposition Lucia!

I’ve always been nice to Catholic girls on the first date as I realise the hangups they suffer from.

I’ve always found they become more laid back once they get their ankles behind their ears! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 9:20pm
Reid

Yes, I do know about them.

Then why did you make your 8.28 which appeared to indicate in the context of my 8.17 you know nothing of them?

Those with the best gifts tend to be the most humble.

They’re God’s gifts Lucia, therefore they’re all perfect, therefore they’re all “best.” The flaws come in to the extent people understand them and use them. Like I said, it takes discernment and like I said, most don’t have that gift and even most of those who do, don’t use it properly, including me. But at least I try to use it, unlike many with it.

Please don’t make the mistake many make about my style, which is to conflate arrogance with matter of fact delivery. I just say what I mean and I don’t gild the lily and I don’t sugercoat it, either. To many this comes across as arrogance, to which I respond: who cares, and so what. That’s your perception not my reality so I don’t care and why should I?

Most arrogant people display little empathy, little compassion and little subtlety. Of course I wouldn’t claim myself I have those qualities, that would be arrogant. But if you are discerning, you might search for those qualities in my comments and make up your mind if they’re there or not. That’s what I do with yours, and everyone elses.
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November 13, 2014 9:23pm
Johnboy

You’re far too understanding Reid. She just needs a good, hard, shagging I suspect! 🙂
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November 13, 2014 9:28pm
Rachael Membery

Johnboy (16,812 comments) says:

November 13th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

You’re far too understanding Reid. She just needs a good, hard, shagging I suspect! 🙂

‘Suspect’ alright!!!
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November 13, 2014 10:33pm
The Right Way

Why do some (many) people on this site have a need to be so vitriolic (and swear so much)?
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November 14, 2014 1:54am
deadrightkev

” no warning just terminated after over 6K comments and 6 years supporting him. ”

Slater and his sidekick baldrick are kicking people off the blog, left, right and centre. It will soon be sanitised with like minded progressives.

No reason is given of course. One day you find you just cannot comment. You can go back on if you lick his arse. They can get stuffed. The one sided progressive arse licking will ultimately bring the blog down in the end.

DPF might be a pinko progressive Nat but he is libertarian enough to allow dissent and a bit of humorous biffo. More power to KB for that.
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November 14, 2014 10:29am
Redbaiter

“Why do some (many) people on this site have a need to be so vitriolic (and swear so much)?”

Fucked if I fucking well know really but I wish they’d fucking stop it.
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November 14, 2014 10:31am
SHG

New member of the “banned from Whaleoil” club checking in!
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