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stigie

There will be a response Shawn when the diapers have been changed !~
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November 12, 2014 5:59pm
Lucia Maria

Actually, being against asset sales could be seen as “conservative”, from the point of view that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Or, if you don’t need to sell it and it’s going to make you more money to keep it, why sell? However that does not mean that conservatives would be against asset sales, just that they’d need a good reason for it.

What was wrong with the Conservative Party wasn’t their stance on asset sales, it was the fact the only person that was really seen in the media representing them was Colin Craig, making it seem like a one man party whose sole aim was to get Colin into Parliament. He should have just joined the National Party if that’s what he wanted.

Edited to add: Colin Craig also said some very dorky things, even without his comments on the moon landing. The first prime one was being a Christian but not going to church. That was just weird.
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November 12, 2014 6:02pm
nasska

….”There will be a response Shawn when the diapers have been changed !~”….

And the contents saved for further arguments. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 6:02pm
Shawn Herles

“Actually, being against asset sales could be seen as “conservative”,”

In theory, yes. But my point was more about Red’s definitions of terms like ‘conservative’ or ‘Right Wing’, which do not seem to have any consistency at all, beyond whatever suits his argument on a given day.
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November 12, 2014 6:05pm
nasska

….”What was wrong with the Conservative Party wasn’t their stance on asset sales”….

True. That was because economic policy was made up on the hoof to garner a pocket of votes here & a few over there. The Conservatives were formed for one reason & one reason only.

That being returning the moral standards of NZ back to the God saturated fifties.
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November 12, 2014 6:07pm
Ryan Sproull

Why are so many services that should be run by free enterprise run or controlled by the state?

These people are bleeding capitalism to death.

Further to this, Red, there’s a strong case to be made that the way left-wing parties (and right-wing parties) in New Zealand want to bleed capitalism is also a way of keeping it alive. Redistributive welfare and labour laws, for example, ensure that things don’t get so bad for those at the bottom that they would demand anything very different – and at the same time, keep them dependent on the same state that maintains and reasserts the basic assumptions of the economic system.

I’m in a pretty tiny minority on this opinion, though. The NZ left would likely be unimpressed with me questioning hard-won welfare and labour legislation, and the NZ right being unimpressed with me questioning the economic system they’d prefer to see unfettered.
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November 12, 2014 6:08pm
Shawn Herles

“That being returning the moral standards of NZ back to the God saturated fifties.”

Which would be good if it were true, except that the CP had almost zero policies in that area, in fact zero moral policies at all as far as I could tell. Beyond the anti-smacking law the CP had nothing at all to say on moral issues, and no policy.

So, I get back to my view that far from being a real Conservative party, let alone anything remotely Christian, the CP was in reality was just re-fried NZF.
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November 12, 2014 6:11pm
stigie

“That being returning the moral standards of NZ back to the God saturated fifties”.

And they seemed to love those Skoda’s also Nasska !~
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November 12, 2014 6:14pm
Rachael Membery

publicwatchdog (2,659 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

Because you are a bore

Because you are more self interested than publicly motivated imo.

Because you are like the little boy who cried wolf, you have turned so many people off by your incessant messaging that any ‘interesting’ messages are lost!!!
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November 12, 2014 6:15pm
Redbaiter

Stigie, what would a half baked little crawler like you know? None of Shawn’s comments are worth responding to because he is a worthless troll whose only argument is to misrepresent the arguments of others. He’s been reminded of this countless times but is apparently unable to stop himself. So fuck him. he can say what he likes, it doesn’t matter as it is almost invariably nothing more than cowardly lies.

Same as the equally prolific troll Grief, who has a like problem- the only argument he can make is to totally misrepresent my views.

And no matter how often I try and correct them, they’re responses show no sign that they have understood what I have said.

Fuck ’em, they’re both worthless cowardly trolls whose behaviour suggests rank insanity and therefore any future reasoned and serious response is a waste of time and effort. I’m someone who learns from my mistakes.
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November 12, 2014 6:16pm
Shawn Herles

” and the NZ right being unimpressed with me questioning the economic system they’d prefer to see unfettered.”

That would be the fringe far Right Ryan. Even ACT supports some welfare and economic regulations.

The only people on the Right advocating unregulated and unfettered capitalism are libertarians. And their party was such a monumental failure it had to be retired, without having ever got anywhere near Parliament.

Real Conservatives are closer to the view that capitalism is good, when restrained to some degree, and it’s excesses tamed in service of the primacy of the family.
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November 12, 2014 6:17pm
Redbaiter

Ryan- how many parasites does it take to kill off the host, and if the host only exists as a life source for parasites, does it have any real life of its own?

NZ’s version of capitalism is crippled and hobbled by big govt and socialism, and it’s not capitalism at all when it is so suffering. Just do the fucking maths for chrissakes. $90 billion from a taxpayer force of less than 2 million? How the fuck does that work???

What do you think is the end game of steadily rising debt (currently at $70 billion) that is really just an admission that we’re living way beyond our means.
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November 12, 2014 6:20pm
Sponge

Sponge:

Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2010
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2011
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2012
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2013
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2014

Anti-TLDR campaigner.
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November 12, 2014 6:22pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

I was responding more to Griff on my previous comment.

Also, I lost my comment responding to you on something else because Kiwiblog logged me out for some reason! Argh, couldn’t even go back to get my comment and save it. Can’t even remember what I said. Hopefully it will come back to me.

I’m not disagreeing with you, just adding a different persepective.
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November 12, 2014 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

“and therefore any future reasoned and serious response is a waste of time and effort.”

Translation:” I have no argument to make as I have not bothered thinking very deeply about the issues, and rather than make myself look like a muppet, again, I will pretend to be above responding to them.”

“I’m someone who learns from my mistakes.”

Obviously not, as you keep repeating them. Evidence free assertions. Laughable fringe definitions of what is conservative or Right wing. Constantly changing definitions of what is conservative or Right wing. Ranting about John Key’s mum being Jewish and the coming genocide of the white race.

You really haven’t learned anything at all.
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November 12, 2014 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

“I was responding more to Griff on my previous comment.”

My apologies Lucia. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 6:23pm
Gulag1917

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Matthew 5:9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihff8P6uDbA
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November 12, 2014 6:24pm
Sponge

God you are a sanctimonious tit Penny.

I was a major sponsor for a charity that raised over $120,000 for kids with cancer. I donated over $25,000 to various other charities last financial year. I am on the PTA for my kids school. All of my staff get 2 days a year paid leave if they want to do community work. I have given to families in need here in Christchurch a few fridges and other appliances that I had spare that I could have sold. I sponsored my nieces school entrepreneur project (that was very successful too I would add).

I am dammed sure that I have made a genuine and positive difference to peoples lives. I am also sure that for all of the shit that you spout you achieve nothing that make a genuine positive impact on anyones lives. You can wank on all you like about making change but I have yet to see you show anything that you have done that makes a real difference.

And the reason I don’t use my name on blogs is that I know very well that idiots like you and your ilk would try and damage my business because I have right leaning views and have been successful. There is nothing you lot like less than that.

Sponge,

Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2010
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2011
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2012
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2013
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2014

Anti-TLDR campaigner.

[Edit – accidentally deleted post while editing]
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November 12, 2014 6:27pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

The Conservatives were formed for one reason & one reason only.
That being returning the moral standards of NZ back to the God saturated fifties.

Having been born in 68, I don’t really know what the moral standards of the 50’s were like, so can’t comment. You could be right with that last sentence in why people support them – but not about why they were formed.

I could have been a supporter of the Conservative Party, since I have a blog called NZ Conservative and I wanted to promote conservatism in NZ after I changed my political views a number of years back. I would have been prime recruiting material. I have many friends who voted for the Conservative Party, yet I could never bring myself to do so because I strongly suspected that they were conservative in name only.

I don’t even know if I’m a real conservative any more anyway. All that stuff on England and English just leaves me cold. I had an argument/conversation with another conservative blogger on his website a while back, and this guy was getting all unhappy because one of the ACT party posters had the Chinese language on it. And then another ranting post about something in the paper about supporting multilingual students at school. You’d think the world was ending.

I do think the smacking legislation should be modified, as it is, it’s overly intrusive over punishment of children. I also think that redefining marriage was a mistake. However I’m not too worried about all of this because of what I’m hearing on talk-back – these sorts of issues will be reversed because of the inherent conservatism of NZ’landers. The hosts seem far more conservative to me now. It’s weird, I don’t know if I’ve changed, or if they have.
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November 12, 2014 6:31pm
Shawn Herles

Hilarious to see far Left moonbat Noam Chomsky being channeled through Kremlin controlled media.

Birds of a feather….. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 6:31pm
Gulag1917

The American warmongering Christian Right agent of influence speaks. Shawn is so intolerant he did not even watch the video.
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November 12, 2014 6:33pm
Shawn Herles

Lucia,

“yet I could never bring myself to do so because I strongly suspected that they were conservative in name only.”

That was and is my view. There was almost nothing conservative about the Conservative party.

“I don’t even know if I’m a real conservative any more anyway. All that stuff on England and English just leaves me cold.”

You are Lucia, far more genuinely conservative than many claiming that term on KB and elsewhere.. A few fringe nutters like Red who get wet their panties at the mere sight of any other culture other than the one that gave us mushy peas and vinegar on fries are not representative of the majority.
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November 12, 2014 6:36pm
Lucia Maria

Sponge,

Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2010
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2011
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2012
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2013
Attendee – Christchurch Cup Day 2014

Anti-TLDR campaigner.

Brilliant. I should think of some titles for myself as well.

Lucia Maria
Blogger, NZ Conservative
used to be on Sir Humphreys
Married woman
Two children, both teenage children
Programmer, database designer, self-employed contractor prior to some point mid-2000s
Alexander Teacher
Homeschooling parent
Whole lot of other stuff I could add but can’t be bothered …

Oh, attendee of the Delphi 95 conference in Sydney, one of two or so women in proportion to 1000 men

If I added that to every post, would that be annoying?

Think of the scrolling …..
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November 12, 2014 6:36pm
Gulag1917

US Mistakes in Iraq
http://usmistakes.blogspot.com.au
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November 12, 2014 6:37pm
Shawn Herles

“The American warmongering Christian Right agent of influence speaks.”

Wow. “Agent of Influence’! What an impressive title! 🙂

“Shawn is so intolerant he did not even watch the video.”

It’s Noam Chomsky. I’m already familiar with his far Left propaganda.
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November 12, 2014 6:40pm
nasska

Lucia

Interesting comment. For what it’s worth I reckon that conservatism as practised by the Tories in England in 19th Century England has less chance of being resurrected in NZ than the Moa. Although we, as Kiwis, share much of our heritage with GB 12000 miles & two centuries have seen us develop our own understanding of politics.

We are a socialist nation….”I’m okay & bugger the rest” is not our way & never has been in my lifetime. The attitudes of our parents were shaped by the hardship they endured during the Great Depression & they were determined that their offspring wouldn’t suffer the same.

A true Conservative political movement will never appeal to many other than those who inhabit the lunatic fringe & even that is divided. Witness Shawn who is a financially liberal social conservative & Baity who is an authoritarian nut who wants to force his version of Singapore on us all while he wallows in his money bin.

Thank (your) God for democracy!
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November 12, 2014 6:58pm
Lucia Maria

Gulag1917,

Since you are posting videos from RT (Russia Today for the uninitiated), I feel I have to balance it with this report from The Interpreter. The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money

RT is the main propagandist against the West on the internet right now, financed by Russia.
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November 12, 2014 7:01pm
Shawn Herles

“A true Conservative political movement will never appeal to many other than those who inhabit the lunatic fringe”

That depends naaska on definitions of “Conservative” which are, like all political definitions, subjective.

Mine is just the mainstream post-war conservative Right, which has largely dominated Western politics since that time in both Europe, the US and NZ.

Beyond a few general principles I think it is virtually impossible to talk about “true” anything with regards to political definitions, let alone detailed policies. It’s all too subjective.
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November 12, 2014 7:04pm
nasska

….”Beyond a few general principles I think it is virtually impossible to talk about “true” anything with regards to political definitions, let alone detailed policies. It’s all too subjective.”…..

You’re pretty much on to it Shawn. In any case the divide in NZ politics has less to do with ideology than management.
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November 12, 2014 7:09pm
wikiriwhis business

“The first is that no sane person with a functioning brain would describe Key or National as “far Left”.

No right thinking people would have voted for A leader who doesn’t lead. he just fills the position until his agenda is filled.

The Key Klan are not right thinking people. Their delusion will betray them. He will betray them.
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November 12, 2014 7:09pm
mikenmild

But do you discern any growing appetite for the views that you would approve of as being ‘conservative’, Shawn?
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November 12, 2014 7:10pm
wikiriwhis business

“I’m amazed with some of the moronic criticism of Air NZ’s decision to drop non profitable routes.”

routes and services are being disconnected to rural centres to bankrupt their economies and force the populations into major centres where they can be more easily controlled. In a small nation like NZ this will look obvious as time goes by but the agenda will be ignored esp by the media as small centres are discontinued over the decade.
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November 12, 2014 7:15pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

You are Lucia, far more genuinely conservative than many claiming that term on KB and elsewhere..

Thanks for that. Only you don’t really know that. I’ve not been talking politics that much recently as I’ve been far more interested in what’s been happening internationally. I could just be very good at putting out an impression!

Nasska,

A true conservative movement would not upend time honoured traditions in the country. It could gradually change them, but it wouldn’t wipe them out overnight. Theodore Dalrymple convinced me of that when he was talking about welfare and what to do about it, even though he saw it as destructive. He thought it would be cruel to turf people off long-term welfare dependency if that was all they had known. It would be better to change it through active discouragement of new people coming on board. A true conservative, I think, would prefer this method because anything else could lead to violent social upheaval.
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November 12, 2014 7:18pm
wikiriwhis business

“It was written in the American Constitution that all money should be coin, and they never had government debt until the Banks took over the control of money.( The Federal Reserve ) It used to be that all the cash in circulation had to have its equivalent in Gold/ Silver deposited. Now they just print money when it suits them”

Undeniable and absolute truth. Only vested interests would refute the reality of this horrendous tyranny of the US banks and Federal Reserve have implemented as the worst type of terroists and probably funding ISIS who were photograghed with John McCain shortly before they began their campaigns.
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November 12, 2014 7:19pm
Sponge

@wikiriwhis business

“the agenda will be ignored esp by the media”

It will be ignored by all because what you have said is arrant nonsense. The idea that John Key said the the board of Air NZ “righto chaps stop the flights to the small centres so we can ruin their economies and force people into big cities” is patently absurd.

Are you aware that directors of public companies have a statutory obligation to ensure that the companies they manage do not fail?
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November 12, 2014 7:20pm
Shawn Herles

“But do you discern any growing appetite for the views that you would approve of as being ‘conservative’, Shawn?”

They are just my views Mike.

As to a growing appetite for them, yes and no. National has won three elections in a row, and I define the Nats as small-c conservative. Mainstream conservative/Right parties are in power here, in Aus, in Canada, in the UK, almost in the US again, and in Germany, amongst many other countries.

The degree of social conservatism varies within these parties, but I am far more tolerant of both Classical Liberalism and diversity on the Right than Red is.
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November 12, 2014 7:20pm
wikiriwhis business

“What do you think is the end game of steadily rising debt (currently at $70 billion) that is really just an admission that we’re living way beyond our means.”

why the rabid right deny this is beyond me but they are not right thinking people. Vested interests never are.
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November 12, 2014 7:22pm
Shawn Herles

wikiriwhis business has taken over from UglyTruth as our resident whackjob conspiracy monger. Laced of course with the usual “Zionist global plutocrats” silliness.
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November 12, 2014 7:23pm
nasska

Therefore you are a moderate Conservative at best Lucia. A true conservative would tear babies from their mothers & starve the sick while financing cathedrals & dropping parking meter money in the cups of street beggars.

That is not a world or country I wish to live in.
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November 12, 2014 7:23pm
wikiriwhis business

“The idea that John Key said the the board of Air NZ “righto chaps stop the flights to the small centres so we can ruin their economies and force people into big cities” is patently absurd.”

Time will tell. Esp the corruption.
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November 12, 2014 7:23pm
mikenmild

‘I define the Nats as small-c conservative’
I’d agree, but only to the extent that they are the quintessential party of the status quo. National governments have always accepted whatever changes a Labour government has made and defended them as the new normal.
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November 12, 2014 7:32pm
Reid

That is not a world or country I wish to live in.

Me neither nasska. Bloody lucky for both of us then isn’t it that real conservatives think nothing of the sort.

Where the fuck mate, do you get your hallucinations from?

Smoking sheep dung?

Seriously, I want to know.

Can you send me some?

reid@silkroad3.?
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November 12, 2014 7:33pm
Shawn Herles

” A true conservative would tear babies from their mothers & starve the sick while financing cathedrals & dropping parking meter money in the cups of street beggars.”

I don’t know any “true” conservatives who think that, and I know of none who have advocated anything like that. Especially Christian conservatives.

Fringe is not the same thing as true.
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November 12, 2014 7:33pm
Reid

Fringe is not the same thing as true.

Shawn’s merging into Pete George.

They’ve probably been the same all along, just the cracks are showing in the dual personality thing.

Maybe they had an argument and broke the mirror.
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November 12, 2014 7:36pm
nasska

Reid & Shawn

Isn’t it the intention of “true” conservatives to abolish the welfare state in favour of private charity?

Because history teaches that the phrase “as cold as charity” was written by a raving optimist!
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November 12, 2014 7:38pm
Shawn Herles

“Isn’t it the intention of “true” conservatives to abolish the welfare state in favour of private charity?”

No. That is a libertarian policy.

Some on the far Right advocate that, but they are a distinct minority. Mainstream conservatives, who are arguably more “true” than those on the fringe, accept the basic idea of welfare, the only debate being about how best to run and manage it.

I know of no mainstream conservative party in the West that wants, or has ever wanted, to abolish welfare entirely.
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November 12, 2014 7:46pm
Reid

Isn’t it the intention of “true” conservatives to abolish the welfare state in favour of private charity?

No. Conservative means conservation.

A wise lecturer once said to me that conservatives are conservative because they have more to conserve.

But it goes beyond material values, they’re minor.

Conservatives want subjective values like discipline, ethics, charity and love to flourish, while taking maximum advantage of the scientific advances.

That’s where conservatives come from.

Progressives operate from an inaccurate base mate. They misinterpret both the motives of their conservative opponents but also the drivers behind the current state which they seek to move, plus the drivers behind those who feed them their progressive ideals.

They’re not only wrong, they’re wrong, wrong and wrong again. That’s the political battlefield nasska.
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November 12, 2014 7:47pm
Shawn Herles

“National governments have always accepted whatever changes a Labour government has made and defended them as the new normal.”

Not really Mike. National has in fact made changes to the last govt’s policies. While it accepted some policies, like WFF, it has also pursued changes, such as welfare reform and labour law reform, not to mention partial asset sales, that are a real departure from the Clark years.
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November 12, 2014 7:49pm
OneTrack

Rachael – “Because you are like the little boy who cried wolf, you have turned so many people off by your incessant messaging that any ‘interesting’ messages are lost!!!”

Much like the left in general, especially the Greens. They may come out with serious issues every now and again, but since those are buried in oceans of bulls**t (like the left’s definition of “poverty”(tm), they don’t get any traction and are ignored.
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November 12, 2014 7:53pm
nasska

I’m sure that Baity told us that state welfare had to go Shawn. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 7:53pm
stigie

“I’m sure that Baity told us that state welfare had to go Shawn”

If my memory serves, i think it was just before the last meltdown !~
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November 12, 2014 7:57pm
nasska

…”Conservatives want subjective values like discipline, ethics, charity and love to flourish, while taking maximum advantage of the scientific advances. “….

So a quick Tardis trip to Victorian England would see you in your Utopia Reid? At least until the romantic dreams foundered on the reality of dog eat dog poverty & squalor.
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November 12, 2014 7:58pm
Shawn Herles

“I’m sure that Baity told us that state welfare had to go Shawn.”

I’m sure he did nasska. Probably while holding up Singapore as an example of a no welfare state, except of course for all that welfare support for housing and families. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 8:01pm
cricko

regarding Phillip Smith/Traynor. (murderer and child abuser)

Who was the current holder of a NZ passport who signed and OKed his application for a passport in the name Traynor ?

Where did internal affairs deliver his passport to when they issued it for him to uplift it ?

Why have these two seemingly obvious questions not even been asked ?

As my mate Wun Hung Lo said, ‘Sumsing wong here.”
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November 12, 2014 8:03pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (2,541 comments) says:
November 12th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
Gulag1917,

Since you are posting videos from RT (Russia Today for the uninitiated), I feel I have to balance it with this report from The Interpreter. The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money

RT is the main propagandist against the West on the internet right now, financed by Russia.

This was her response to an article feature Noam Chomsky, an American Jew often described as one of the worlds leading intellectuals.

Interestingly the people she supports have promised not to rest until the Jews, Communists and Russians are eliminated.

At least she is consistent with her Churches behaviour, I will give her that much.
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November 12, 2014 8:06pm
Rachael Membery

cricko (331 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

It would be interesting to know if passport holders of passport holding aliases, sign for themselves/each other?
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November 12, 2014 8:07pm
nasska

Following my joke last week about the Holy Quran, and the large number of private messages from Muslim readers of the site that followed it, I would like to make the following statement:

“Islam is a religion based on peace, love and respect, and this is the central message of the Qur’an. As such I offer a full apology for making the claim that it encourages suicide bombing and violence.”

OK, there – I said it. Now can you please stop sending me death threats?
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November 12, 2014 8:09pm
Shawn Herles

“This was her response to an article feature Noam Chomsky, an American Jew often described as one of the worlds leading intellectuals.”

Not when it comes to his politics. Most people then just describe him as an idiot. No idea why the fact that he is American and Jewish is of any relevance.

“Interestingly the people she supports have promised not to rest until the Jews, Communists and Russians are eliminated.”

Lucia has not at any time, ever, made any statement which could interpreted as such.

“At least she is consistent with her Churches behaviour, I will give her that much.”

How would you know? Your claim that drug cartels in SA are an example of Catholicism would tend to prove that you have no idea about her Church.
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November 12, 2014 8:13pm
Lucia Maria

I think it was about 8 years ago that I came across the final thing that turned me off libertarianism for good.

Peter Cresswell had posted a huge list of all the government departments and agencies and whatnot that Libertarians would abolish “by lunchtime” if they ever got into power. I remember reading that list and thinking, all those people out of work at once. It would be mayhem!

And then I thought that libertarians were bonkers, that the disruption that that sort of thing could cause would be potentially catastrophic to a society… If that’s what libertarianism leads to, I wanted no part of it.
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November 12, 2014 8:13pm
stigie

When I was in the pub I heard a couple of plonkers saying that they wouldn’t feel safe on an aircraft if they knew the pilot was a woman. What a pair of sexists. I mean, it’s not as if she’d have to reverse the bloody thing!
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November 12, 2014 8:15pm
Lucia Maria

Kea at 8:06pm,

Oh you’re good, I’ll give you that.

At least on the initial assault. But the follow-through is seriously lacking.

I haven’t seen you come up with anything new for a while. Does this mean you’ve actually stopped to think?
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November 12, 2014 8:25pm
Kea

Lucia, I have provided ample evidence of the sort of people you support. The same one the Catholics have always supported.

Are all these news sources also working with Putin, RT, and the “Jews” ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

https://libcom.org/news/neo-nazis-far-right-protesters-ukraine-23012014

http://www.ibtimes.com/svoboda-rising-spectre-neo-nazism-ukraine-974110
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November 12, 2014 8:30pm
stephieboy

Have to say Gulag 1917 Chomsky looks as senile as ever on RT .
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November 12, 2014 8:33pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

See, no follow through.

Anyone who opposes Russia is a Nazi. Even though the far right got a trouncing in the recent elections.

Amazing how you believe this stuff.
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November 12, 2014 8:36pm
stephieboy

No worries Kea ,you’ll be relived to know Neo Nazism is alive and well in the ex KGB’ Lt Colonel’s Russia,

Russian Neo-Nazis Fighting for Moscow in Ukraine, Ukrainian Jewish Leader Says

http://www.interpretermag.com/russian-neo-nazis-fighting-for-moscow-in-ukraine-ukrainian-jewish-leader-says/

and,

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-an-end-to-Russian-Neo-Nazism/129959950354785
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November 12, 2014 8:38pm
Kea

stephieboy, so you are not opposed to Neo-Nazis, just Russian ones.

Is Obama helping the Russian Neo-Nazis take control of the country, as he is in the Ukraine ?

No doubt you and Lucia are both fans of that famous christian book: The Jews and their Lies, by Martin Luther.

[The Biblical Paul, for example, put the blame of Jesus’s death entirely on the Jews. In the first epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians (2:14-15), it says, “the Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets….” Also the gospel of John, makes it clear that the Jews represent an enemy (and John 8:44 puts the devil as the father of the Jews). Many prominent priests used Paul’s epistles and the gospels as Biblical justification for Jewish persecution.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor3%5D
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November 12, 2014 8:42pm
Kea

“Chomsky looks as senile as ever ”

OMG !!!!!

ANTI SEMITE !!!!!!!

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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November 12, 2014 8:47pm
Lucia Maria

You know, my link must have been very disturbing to Kea for him (or her) to come at me with this level of attack. I’ve noticed this a few times – rather than actually debate what I’ve posted, I get a full on attempted character assassination. Kea hasn’t even stopped to preen for the partial complement.
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November 12, 2014 8:49pm
nasska

Change your groundbait Kea….bugger all strikes so far. 🙂
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November 12, 2014 8:51pm
Kea

Its okay Lucy, they don’t like you much either. I just wish you would all get along nicely. 🙂

Toledot Jeshu
“Book of the Life of Jesus”… “Genealogy of Jesus”
The Devastating Hebrew Book

The Toledot Jeshu (Book of the Life of Jesus), is a devastating Hebrew book to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to Him illegitimate birth, magic, witchcraft, and a shameful death. The main point of the Toledot is that Jesus is a deceiver and a heretic who was crucified by the Jews and his disciples stole his body and deceived others by proclaiming his resurrection. All the Toledot Jeshu editions declared Jesus Christ to be a bastard.

Virgin Mary is portrayed in the Toledot as a woman who conceived Jesus as a result of rape by a Roman soldier, Joseph Pandera.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-Catholics&Christianity/JewsTellTalesOnJesus.htm
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November 12, 2014 8:54pm
cricko

Hey Rachel @ 8.07

We must understand that to intrude upon the circle fuck that KB now has become every night after 8pm
you must first engage with one of the usual suspects (see above who they are)
or, talk about global warming.
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November 12, 2014 8:54pm
Rachael Membery

cricko (332 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

That can’t be right, I thought that was only a game that men could play?
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November 12, 2014 9:06pm
Kea

cricko, or you could just comment on other peoples comments.

Why did you drop the name: bereal, btw ?
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November 12, 2014 9:10pm
Reid

OK Rachael, why did Smith go to Brazil, specifically Rio?

Could it have anything to do with how Ronnie Biggs was able to stay there for years?

Is he planning to get a girl pregnant, just like Ronnie did?

What are your thoughts?
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November 12, 2014 9:11pm
stigie

Theres a whole lot more games to be played Rachael, you only have to ask Johnboy !~
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November 12, 2014 9:12pm
stephieboy

kea,

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15New International Version (NIV)

14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone

As Paul was Jewish himself who originally persecuted Christians even a half wit can tell that he was not referring to the jews generically but to a particular group within their community i.e those that decided he should die – notably the Sanhedrin led by Caphiiasis

The fact that Chomsky happens to be i Jewish is irrelavant but the fact he holds some crackpot views ( like you ) is.!
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November 12, 2014 9:19pm
Griff

I think my wife is a part time Muslim…

Once a month she is offended by everything!

Religious Shit Taoism Shit happens. Buddhism If shit happens, it’s not really shit. Islam If shit happens, it’s the will of Allah. Protestantism Shit happens because you don’t work hard enough. Judaism Why does this shit always happen to us? Hinduism This shit happened before. Catholicism Shit happens because you’re bad. Hare Krishna Shit happens rama rama. T.V. Evangelism Send more shit. Atheism No shit. Jehova’s Witness Knock knock, shit happens. Hedonism There’s nothing like a good shit happening. Christian Science Shit happens in your mind. Agnosticism Maybe shit happens, maybe it doesn’t. Rastafarianism Let’s smoke this shit. Existentialism What is shit anyway? Stoicism This shit doesn’t bother me.
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November 12, 2014 9:19pm
RF

It’s quite sad to read that many of the pillow biters over on the standard really hate John Key and what he stands for. The intensity of the hatred is quite scary. We have been told to to be wary of the IS undermining our society however I believe that some of these left wing activists are more of a concern.

Do not want these idiots living here and they should head off to the communist countries where they will be appreciated.
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November 12, 2014 9:22pm
Elaycee

routes and services are being disconnected to rural centres to bankrupt their economies and force the populations into major centres where they can be more easily controlled. In a small nation like NZ this will look obvious as time goes by but the agenda will be ignored esp by the media as small centres are discontinued over the decade.

Reason #4,080 why there should be compulsory IQ testing in NZ before folk are allowed to cast a vote….
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November 12, 2014 9:31pm
Rachael Membery

Reid (16,568 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

My understanding is that Brazil no longer works like that. I posted a link to a news story earlier that stated that Brazil was working hard to dispel the idea that they were a haven for the disaffected foreigner. Natural citizens get those rights, not by virtue of marriage or parenthood.

Why Brazil?

Plastic surgery?

2016 Olympics, lots of visitors/workers?

First flight out to Chile?

Misconception regarding Brazil’s possible attitude, after reading historical accounts? Was also Hannibal Lectors bolt hole.

I posted something regarding a murder ever ten minutes I think it was, in Brazil, they can’t catch their own, so why would they bother with him.

If he does still have paedophilic tendencies, availability of vulnerable children?

Visa free movement for 3 months.

Cocaine?

How long would 10 k last?

He has had the passport since 2013 I think I read, re the first flight out, I do wonder when the ticket was bought.
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November 12, 2014 9:38pm
mikenmild

It was worth a snigger, Elaycee.
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November 12, 2014 9:42pm
Rachael Membery

stigie (1,254 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 9:12 pm

I shan’t. 😉 I use lanolin on my hands lol
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November 12, 2014 9:42pm
Rachael Membery

Reid (16,568 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

Getting a girl pregnant a la Briggs would require the ‘act’, has he ever had a girlfriend?
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November 12, 2014 9:55pm
Reid

has he ever had a girlfriend?

He’s a psychopath in my reading Rachael.

His every action drips it.

Up to the way he’s manipulating the media who like the gullible fools they are, completely fall for it.

Catching a Rio girl from one of the slums would be child’s play for someone like that.
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November 12, 2014 9:59pm
Rachael Membery

Reid

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11357333
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November 12, 2014 10:07pm
Rachael Membery

Reid

That seems to have changed regarding fathering a child. I can’t find the article but this suggests that too.

Ronnie Biggs – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Biggs

Brazilian law at the time did not allow a parent of a Brazilian child to be extradited. … English lawyer Nigel Sangster QC travelled to Brazil to advise Biggs.
Early life ·
Career ·
Great Train Robbery ·
Escape and abscondment
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November 12, 2014 10:17pm
Sponge

@Reid “His every action drips it.”

The knob is thriving on this. Everyone (Police/Interpol/South American gangs excepted) should just this utterly vile and repulsive creature. It is clearly loving the attention.
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November 12, 2014 10:24pm
Rachael Membery

Sponge (195 comments) says:

November 12th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

Surely this sort of carry on is more likely to aid in his come-uppance.

Psychopaths and narcissists can’t resist thinking that they are smarter than everyone else.

As for the media, perhaps they can be useful for once.
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November 12, 2014 10:31pm
Reid

The knob is thriving on this. It is clearly loving the attention.

Indeed. And as per usual the idiot media panders to his every whim, like a particularly stupid 10 year-old.
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November 12, 2014 10:35pm
cricko

Onya Rachael,

lets hope you have wrecked the handle that the usual suspects have after 8 pm

You must realise that when you deal with the same old crowd
well, what can you expect ?
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November 12, 2014 10:37pm
Fight Communism

Do they understand how sex works or know about birth control o

LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE

BUT YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT W A N KING

LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE

DON’T YOU
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November 12, 2014 11:40pm
Gulag1917

Lucia
Thanks for the link.
All major nations are “weaponising information, culture and money to achieve foreign policy goals and undermine opponents”. Eastern Europe has to come up with an alternative to the present status quo.
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November 13, 2014 12:46am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11357682
Fugitive Phillip Smith has been taken into custody in Brazil after a guest at a hostel in Rio de Janeiro recognised him, a Brazilian journalist says.

They should leave him to rot in jail there.
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November 13, 2014 6:54am
Kea

Yes Smith is caught. About time the POLICE got it right. This happened because the POLICE convicted him under a false name and the POLICE system, when checked as part of the passport application, failed.

Not Corrections, Not Internal Affairs, the POLICE.

Of course I do not expect the jackboot licking authoritarians who worship the cops on KB to accept that fact.
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November 13, 2014 7:22am
Kea

stephieboy, are you seriously trying to argue with your own bible ?

The fact I gave you the quote is not relevant. What is relevant is what your bible says. It says Jews killed your prophet and you people have persecuted them for if ever since.
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November 13, 2014 7:24am
Griff

Jesus was a Jew kea
😯
The Romans killed him for being a Zealot an anti roman occupation terrorist/freedom fighter.
Romans were not Jews.
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