General Debate 11 November 2014

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Nostradamus

David Garrett:

I should clarify (for the record) that I’m not trying to get you into trouble with the Law Society. So, by all means, only comment to the extent that you feel able to do so.

I think the prohibition in rule 14.4 and the permitted exceptions in rules 14.6 to 14.8 are unambiguous. I certainly don’t see any room for a “prior retainer exception” to operate.

Ellis can easily get around this by arranging for instructions to come, not from Smith directly, but from a person who (unlike Smith) holds a practising certificate as a barrister and solicitor.

But, as you perhaps imply, that’s a matter that the Law Society might want to take up with Ellis directly…
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November 11, 2014 6:44pm
David Garrett

Nostra: Chaps like Ellis don’t get scrutinised by the Law Society old boy! He and his ilk are fearless defenders of human rights!

No no, the Disciplinary Committees of the Law Society are for scoundrels like me…

Seriously though, I am sure Mr Ellis has an instructing solicitor…the old boys at the LS don’t much like “reverse instructing”, but it’s perfectly within the rules…
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November 11, 2014 6:48pm
dad4justice

A song for the lawyers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM
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November 11, 2014 6:54pm
Rachael Membery

dad4justice (8,282 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Are you here to promote your own blog?

I appreciate that I have only just dropped my pseudonym, but if you are so well known, why keep up a pretence? I also considered my pseudonym not particularly anonymous, especially as hints were made about my private business and hints at my business having been visited ‘anonymously’.

My rationale was that he who I consider the biggest scum on here already knew who I was so what the hell.

I have found it incredibly liberating, I recommend it.
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November 11, 2014 6:57pm
Reid

I thought it was interesting to see on the News tonight a clip showing Putin strolling along close behind Xi Jinping, demonstrating the geopolitical reality as opposed in stark contrast to the Western MSM meme, of where Putin is at, in the international community.

Most Westerners sadly are rapidly approaching the profound ignorance of the average American, who couldn’t even point out Iraq on a world map.

Sad because they don’t need to be ignorant. They choose to be.
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November 11, 2014 7:00pm
Rachael Membery

big bruv (14,031 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

I think I am to blame for the reference to you when ‘Rowan’ was preaching about others anonymity and I just mentioned that I believed there were two entities not just one as has been mooted.
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November 11, 2014 7:00pm
dad4justice

“My rationale was that he who I consider the biggest scum on here already knew who I was so what the hell.”

Who was that Rachael?
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November 11, 2014 7:01pm
nasska

Interesting study PG. The natural corollary would be that the promoters of spiritual crap have a vested interest in keeping people poor & devoid of hope for their future in the material world.

I reckon that the theory has been proved many times over.
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November 11, 2014 7:01pm
Rachael Membery

dad4justice (8,284 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 7:01 pm

I never refer to him, shall we just say that he and Rowan agree a lot. No, I do not mean you, even though you do too. See how difficult anonymity makes it.

Every-time I get a single down tick I feel loved by this person lol.
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November 11, 2014 7:09pm
big bruv

Rachael

Don’t make the mistake of falling in to his “I am a victim” trap. He love to play that card, it makes him the centre of attention which (as you have already worked out) he craves more than anything else.

If you ignore him he becomes more and more irritated, and abusive. He wants a reaction, when he gets it he is then able to feign hurt and play the victim card.
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November 11, 2014 7:14pm
David Garrett

Rachael: Well done for joining the select 5% here who believe that if our opinions are worth sharing people deserve to know who we are…

My shorthand for the person to whom I think you refer is “The Killer”…doesn’t breach his cherished anonymity, but he knows who he is…He’s not around so much lately…his mummy seems to have abandoned KB since the election…
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November 11, 2014 7:16pm
Kea

Global warming ‘will require more UK troops sent to fight overseas’

Climate change will increase the risk of conflict and will ultimately require the deployment of more UK troops, Real Admiral Neil Morisetti says.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/11221586/Global-warming-will-require-more-UK-troops-sent-to-fight-overseas.html

😯
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November 11, 2014 7:16pm
dad4justice

“See how difficult anonymity makes it.”

Indeed Rachael, that’s why cowardly keyboard cowards like bigot blouse make up malicious stories that are pure lies. Found those emails I sent you yet bb?
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November 11, 2014 7:23pm
nasska

Heady stuff this climate change that isn’t happening.

Find a woe in the world & the weather is to blame. 🙂
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November 11, 2014 7:25pm
Kea

cowardly keyboard cowards

http://www.thesaurus.com/ 💡
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November 11, 2014 7:26pm
Kea

nasska, well they admit there is no warming now, but reckon its going to start soon and be going really really fast and catch up !

In spite of it not actually warming at all.

Global warming will SPEED UP after a pause, scientists warn: Climate temperature could rise faster than expected

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2828910/Global-warming-SPEED-pause-scientists-warn.html#ixzz3IjryCTkl
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November 11, 2014 7:29pm
Rachael Membery

dad4justice (8,285 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

Indeed, why not use your real name, surely that would allow transparency.

I have no interest in who you are and I certainly am not going to wander off looking for or at blogs I do not wish to visit to find out and give someone a visitor count. I have had that ploy attempted before in Bain matters.

I never looked lol, why give someone an ISP number.
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November 11, 2014 7:31pm
David Garrett

Nasska: You have to be able to read before a Thesaurus is any good to you…

Like Ms Membery, I struggle to see the point of maintaining a pseud on here if you also have a blog which uses your real name…Takes all sorts I suppose…

Kea: These global warming zealots truly do have an answer for everything don’t they? My stance on it is very simple: if it’s happening – and it might be – there is not a damn thing 4 million people at the bottom of the world can do about it,…and there are a heap of other things much more worth worrying about…antibiotic resistant bugs being the one that really gives me the shits…Back to the 1020’s where a cut finger can kill you in a week…
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November 11, 2014 7:32pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpqzlwvz3xz96be/Climate%20Crap%205.jpg?dl=0
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November 11, 2014 7:33pm
Kea

“You have to be able to read before a Thesaurus is any good to you…”

DG, unfortunate timing to make that simple error. Unless you think Kea & nasska are the same people, which seems to be the fashion now days 😉
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November 11, 2014 7:35pm
dad4justice

“Takes all sorts I suppose…”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10673929
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November 11, 2014 7:37pm
nasska

Kea

I made a similar comment about the help available from a Thesaurus but deleted it when I noticed that you’d covered the point.
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November 11, 2014 7:38pm
Kea

nasska, maybe you really are me ? You Troooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll you. 🙂
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November 11, 2014 7:39pm
nasska

No….I’m not you Kea…..for the next week I’m filling in for Baity. 🙂
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November 11, 2014 7:43pm
big bruv

DG

Get the feeling somebody is trying to get noticed?
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November 11, 2014 7:43pm
David Garrett

Dad: You absolute bastard! You’ve outed me!! How will I manage?

BB: I don’t really mind old Dad…its The Killer I object to…that bastard should not be walking among us…How the fuck can you get released when you have killed not once but twice?

I guess we can be thankful that double killers are most unlikely to see outside the prison walls now..
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November 11, 2014 7:44pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Global warming ‘will require more UK troops sent to fight overseas’

The most successful religions are spread using the sword. Gotta save the savages from their heathen ways.

But the cure is at hand:
http://transatomicpower.com/white_papers/TAP_White_Paper.pdf

Good detailed whitepaper on molten salt reactor, cheap, safe, burns existing ‘spent’ fuel and waste, with minimal waste. $2million a year for enough uranium to provide all of NZ’s electricity and eventually also synthesise hydrocarbon fuels too. Fuel supply essentially limitless (uranium can be extracted from seawater for about 3x current price, and is continuously replenished by erosion/plate tectonics)
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November 11, 2014 7:45pm
dad4justice

David Garrett I actually respect your comments on this blog. Your three strikes legislation was a good asset for our judiciary.
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November 11, 2014 7:47pm
Pete George

The Standard staunchly defends the use of pseudonyms but there seems to be either accidental or blatant misuse of one. ‘Notices and Features’ would be valid use of a pseudonym if it was used for posting notices and features but the last two posts are both under this ID:

The cost of terrorist rhetoric

When John Key takes to the media to over-hype the risks of ISIS terrorism to NZ, there is a cost:

And Not a great headline for Key

Neither sound like notices or features, it looks like someone who wishes to remain un identified misusing the ‘author’ name.
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November 11, 2014 7:48pm
big bruv

DG

“BB: I don’t really mind old Dad…its The Killer I object to…that bastard should not be walking among us”

Well said.
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November 11, 2014 7:49pm
Rachael Membery

dad4justice (8,286 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

How boring and passé.
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November 11, 2014 7:51pm
nasska

UrbanNeocolonialist

Only the fact that our country gets a little rocky at times prevents me from being a great potential fan of nuclear energy.

Hopefully the technology to shut down a reactor instantly & permanently will be developed.
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November 11, 2014 7:52pm
Kea

UrbanNeocolonialist, NO !!!

We must dismantle industrial society, capitalism and all the evil works of the white man. We must all become a global village of organic farming vegan communists, or face certain doom.
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November 11, 2014 7:53pm
David Garrett

Nasska: I used to have great sport with the Greens in debate…reminding them – as if they didn’t know – that the European Greens are all in favour of nuclear energy…Cue much spluttering from Mad Cath, and a stream of multi-syllable words from Kennedy “the Undertaker” Graham about how OUR Greens are separate and distinct from the Euro version…At which I would always point out that one of the differences is that the Euro Greens have been in positions of power!

Mad Cath usually stormed off at that point…The Undertaker just started using even bigger words…
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November 11, 2014 8:02pm
big bruv

DG

A bit of parliamentary sledging!….well done old man.

Tell me, is it pretty much accepted by most parliamentarians that Moonbat Delahunty is indeed bat shit crazy?
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November 11, 2014 8:07pm
stigie

“No….I’m not you Kea…..for the next week I’m filling in for Baity”.

Of course everyone here wishes you all the best on that one Nasska !~
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November 11, 2014 8:10pm
Reid

One thing about this guy Smith.

He’s clearly a psychopath. That was obvious in the way he stalked the victim and what he did subsequent to stabbing the father by preventing his wife from obtaining help.

Writ large in flaming letters a million feet high.

Psychopath, psychopath, psychopath.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/three-strikes-decision-shows-de-facto-judicial-supremacy/

The Frankfurt School’s 11 point plan:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Who cares whether or not you think the world is designed to work like this or whether you hallucinate those 11 points have simply come about in Western society by mere random accident? You’re hardly in a position to judge if you’ve never even heard of the Frankfurt School, are you. And that’s just a tiny example of potential elucidation so pray don’t get fixated on it, just start educating yourself. You owe it to yourself, and if not to yourself, to your children.
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November 11, 2014 8:12pm
David Garrett

BB; Shit yes! Everyone – even some of them I suspect – thought she was completely nuts…

As I have said before, the sad thing was how the Maori Party members completely ignored her faux Maori accent and speeches sprinkled with words in te reo…There she was, bleeding all over the carpet for the terrible iniquities the Maaari had suffered at the hands of the honkey…and they didn’t pay her any notice! Sad…
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November 11, 2014 8:13pm
big bruv

D4J

Can you help me with this one. How the hell do you go from a low rent attack on David Garrett only to kiss his arse in another comment ten minutes later?
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November 11, 2014 8:16pm
Shawn Herles

The Benefits from Marriage and Religion in the United States: A Comparative Analysis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2614329/
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November 11, 2014 8:27pm
David Garrett

BB: I did wonder about that myself! Who is it that goes on about “cognitive dissonance”…is it Red/Russell?
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November 11, 2014 8:28pm
chiz

Rachael Membery:I appreciate that I have only just dropped my pseudonym

So what was your pseudonym?
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November 11, 2014 8:28pm
nasska

Ahkmed the Muslim came to Australia from the Middle East, and he was only there a few months when he became very ill. He went to doctor after doctor but none of them could help him. Finally, he went to an Arabic doctor who said “Take dees bucket, go into de odder room, poop in de bucket, pee on de poop, and den put your head down over de bucket and breathe in de fumes for ten minutes”.

Ahkmed took the bucket, went into the other room, shit in the bucket, pissed on the crap, bent over and breathed in the fumes for ten minutes.

Coming back to the doctor he said “It worked. I feel terrific! What was wrong with me?” The doctor said “You were homesick”.
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November 11, 2014 8:31pm
nasska

….”Who is it that goes on about “cognitive dissonance”…is it Red/Russell?”….

Reid.
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November 11, 2014 8:32pm
big bruv

DG

I can only put it down to his uncontrollable, and explosive temper.
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November 11, 2014 8:33pm
David Garrett

Nasska: that’s very good! (I don’t think the boyos from the Law Society can do anything about my sense of humour)

BB: Got a bit of a temper has he? does that explain some of his difficulties with the Family Court?
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November 11, 2014 8:36pm
dad4justice

“Can you help me with this one.”

I will only answer your question if you admit you are telling malicious lies when you stated on this public blog on more than one occasion that you have in your possession threatening emails that I have sent you.

You are a pathological liar who should be held accountable for your despicable false allegations.

I can only put it down to his uncontrollable, and explosive temper.

More cowardice from a from a vile creepy fixated nitwit
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November 11, 2014 8:38pm
Rachael Membery

chiz (1,160 comments) says:

November 11th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

See, now isn’t that interesting lol is such a reverse question covered by the new rules? Perhaps pseudonyms and names should be prefaced with a.k.a.
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November 11, 2014 8:42pm
kowtow

Hi ,we’re from the government and we’re here to help. Literally.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11221902/Legal-fight-starts-over-SNP-state-guardian-for-every-child.html
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November 11, 2014 8:43pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Nasska: earthquakes aren’t a problem for Gen4 walk-away passively safe reactors that will shut down reaction and use natural convection to cool itself in event of any disaster, control system or pump failures or electricity cut-out. For comparison Fukishima were 50 year old Generation2 designs without passive safety (needed water pumps to run. and overheated when water leaked out)

Molten salts reactors have extra advantage of operating at atmospheric pressure so no huge pressurised water nuclear reactor vessels that operate at 150x atmospheric pressure (similar to scuba tank). If the uranium fluoride salt gets too hot it expands and slows the reaction, and if that is insufficient or if power fails then extra heat melts a refrigerated plug of salt that leads to a drain tank where the salt cannot attain criticality due to absence of any moderator rods. Also the fluoride salt doesn’t burn or chemically react with air, metals, dirt or water (other than boiling water off due to heat)

Once developed they will be <$0.05/kWh to operate, and compact lightweight truck-transportable reactor vessels should make them cheap and fast to build.
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November 11, 2014 8:46pm
Griff

Kea (12,971 comments) says:
November 11th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

nasska, well they admit there is no warming now,

No why would they?
This last year warmest on record
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
There has been no pause in warming.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/global-temperature-the-post-1998-surprise/

isis rise Syria is the sort of problem the pentagon and the poms are warning about.
Water, Drought, Climate Change, and Conflict in Syria http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/WCAS-D-13-00059.1
DAMASCUS, 9 September 2010 (IRIN) – A top UN official warns that Syria’s drought is affecting food security and has pushed 2-3 million people into “extreme poverty”.
It was predicted before it happened.
https://news.vice.com/article/pentagon-warns-of-immediate-national-security-threats-from-climate-change
DG saying we can not do any thing is just another excuse to do nothing.
Slowly boiling a frog.
Slowly boiling human civilization.
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November 11, 2014 8:49pm
big bruv

So D4J, do you deny ever sending me threatening emails?

Think long and hard before you reply to this D4J.
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November 11, 2014 8:49pm
EAD

@ Reid 8.12am

Marxism is little studied in the economics departments, or even the politics departments, of modern universities, but it dominates cultural, media and literary studies. (Freud, not much studied in the medical/psychology arena, is also a cultural studies favourite).

Yet it is the Frankfurt School, rather than Marx and Engels, who set the agenda. Marxism without the grubby and frustratingly reactionary working class, without the vanguard of the proletariat, and without the dictatorship of the proletariat either (in fact as little of the proletariat as possible please).

Marxism not as a revolutionary agenda but a tool of criticism. Marxism-lite for the middle class, assimilated first at university and then informing (as they would put it) the media and bureaucracy that those students then go on to work in.

Not a conspiracy perhaps but certainly a process. It marks one as being observant and having the ability to think critically, not a “conspiracy theorist” to point out that Cultural Marxism is real and the default position of the mainstream media and the “main” political parties.
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November 11, 2014 8:50pm
Reid

Further to my 8.12, lest uneducated fools start hallucinating that what it means is that society is micro-managed by a secret cabal, it means nothing of the sort. Yes there is a secret cabal, no it’s not micro-managed. How could it be?

See, what they do is setup institutions and appointments that achieve their objectives over time, all the while disguised in the politically correct poison camouflage they operate behind. For this makes it difficult for Joe and Jane Public to object to as slice by slice, they strip away the life we used to have and replace it with their evil design.

The institution in this Smith case is the Privacy Commission. This institute occupies hundreds of civil servants in dozens of govt depts and ties them in knots preparing submission after submission after submission seeking permission to share this and that data with this and that dept and the process is labyrinthian and always results in a watered down result, because, you see, if the Privacy Commission’s staff didn’t water it down, why, they simply wouldn’t be doing their job, would they.

Another example of this evil in motion is how Hulun ditched the PC and appointed a senior Sisterhood representative as CJ. That’s not so relevant here and now, but it’s relevant in the context of Franks’ article I gave above.

That’s how they do it, and of course they didn’t do it with Smith in particular in mind, and of course all the people who work in the Privacy Commission believe in and honestly do, their job. They just don’t realise the true purpose of their job.

(Freud, not much studied in the medical/psychology arena, is also a cultural studies favourite).

Yes, he was an evil little bastard too, wasn’t he. Travistock special. Sexual revolution. What has that brought society? See what I mean about institutions? (Not talking to you EAD, I know you know…)
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November 11, 2014 8:51pm
David Garrett

Griff: do tell us what we here in NZ can do about “climate change”…

do you agree with the analogy I was once told: If the worlds greenhouse gas emissions for a year was a 2 litre jug of milk, OUR emissions – including all those farting cows – is equivalent to half of one drop?

I used that in many speeches on the campaign trail in 2008, and was never called on it…
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November 11, 2014 8:53pm
Griff

Nuclear cheap
not from any presently developed technology
Its only financially possible if the generators dont carry the insurance liability or factor in disposal costs.
instead governments have to carry the risks.
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November 11, 2014 8:54pm
dad4justice

“So D4J, do you deny ever sending me threatening emails?”

I would go to Court over this you lying snake! You are pathetic you coward. I HAVE NEVER SENT YOU ANY EMAILS.

I can prove it – you can’t you vile liar.
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November 11, 2014 8:55pm
nasska

UrbanNeocolonialist

Are the reactors you describe the same as the “mini” units I read of a while ago? They were supposed to be locatable on a couple of acres of ground & each able to power a city about the size of Hamilton.

If so & in light of the info in your comment only the Greens & a deficiency of common sense stand between us & cheap power.
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November 11, 2014 8:58pm
Griff

So we all do nothing
carry on as if there is no threat
I was once as you are DG

now I think we should close our boarders arm and train the entire population Swiss style ready for the next twenty years as conflict spreads slowly round the world. We will become a ripe target for those in places exposed to continental climate extremes looking for somewhere safe.
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November 11, 2014 9:02pm
EAD

“For this makes it difficult for Joe and Jane Public to object to as slice by slice, they strip away the life we used to have”

They may not have said to themselves that they wanted to destroy western civilisation but they did say they wanted to change it; change it so radically that it would be warped and unrecognisable to anyone who wasn’t a marxist. Transforming it in this way would indeed be tantamount to destroying it, so it’s not fanciful or fantastical to accuse them of wishing to destroy it.
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November 11, 2014 9:04pm
nasska

EAD

Slow transformation of society is not always a bad thing. Some call it evolution.
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November 11, 2014 9:07pm
Reid

If so & in light of the info in your comment only the Greens & a deficiency of common sense stand between us & cheap power.

So what energy source do you think Tesla was tapping into nasska, back in the 1920-40’s?

It sure as hell wasn’t nukular, was it.

It sure as hell worked, didn’t it.

It sure as hell was more advanced than AC electricity which he invented that still powers our world today, wasn’t it.

Strange how we never hear about him given in his day he beat the pants off Edison, isn’t it.

Wonder why that is.

Personally, I agree with Edison on nuclear power of any kind: “it’s a hell of a way to boil water.”

But what would he know.
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November 11, 2014 9:09pm
big bruv

Silly boy D4J.
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November 11, 2014 9:10pm
David Garrett

Griff: I actually think you may be right…about arming ourselves…we will indeed become a tempting target as the population of the world grows…

But you have not answered my question about NZ’s contribution to annual greenhouse gases…Please do…

Reid: How was Edison able to make pronouncements on nuclear power and its potential when he died in 1931,18 years before the first atomic bomb?
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November 11, 2014 9:10pm
Pete George

“Slow transformation of society is not always a bad thing. Some call it evolution.”

You could also call it inevitable.

Societies have always evolved, the rate of change varies but they have never remained the same anywhere.
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November 11, 2014 9:11pm
Pete George

DG – being seen to contribute to dealing with climate change, or not, could have significant trade implications. And it could influence and encourage the actions of others.

And there are business opportunities.
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November 11, 2014 9:14pm
nasska

I’ve read quite a lot of the info on Tesla you have linked to over the years Reid. I’m neither a convert nor a sceptic.

But meantime if any reasonable alternative to energy poverty is offered to NZ I’m certainly not dismissing it out of hand.
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November 11, 2014 9:16pm
David Garrett

Edit: Edison died 13 years before the bomb (I never was any good at maths) but more than 20 years before the first electricity generating reactor…

PG: Yes, I have heard that “trade implications” argument…frankly with China now being our biggest market, and CER with Australia, I don’t think it holds much water…especially since most of the world disagrees on what to do about this “climate change”
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November 11, 2014 9:16pm
Griff

soon it will be untenable to do nothing and still be accepted as a trading partner
china is doing something they have produced a time frame for halting the growth in coal use

In a sign of just how dramatically the tables have turned on the previously skyrocketing projections for the coal industry in China, consider this: the China National Coal Association is now calling for a 10 percent reduction in second half domestic coal output in many of the main coal-producing provinces. That about face comes as quite a shock considering as recently as December, the Association was busy advocating for a billion tonnes of coal to be added to the Chinese coal market by 2020. My what a difference a year makes.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/22/chinas-coal-use-falls-for-first-time-this-century-analysis-suggests
You are aware of the result of Germany and japan building new industry and leapfrogging the Allies after the war
This resulted in both countries dominating industry for a generation
China is poised to do the same with clean technology.
like has happened with telephones and the old cable technology being by passed by the third world instead going from nothing straight to cell phones China and the third world will leapfrog most of the west in clean technology and a distributed smart generation network if we are not careful .
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November 11, 2014 9:23pm
nasska

DG

To be fair to Reid….from the time Rutherford split the atom in 1907 nuclear powered reactors were known to be theoretically possible. The gap between that invention & it’s utilisation was trying to figure out a way to contain the reaction.
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November 11, 2014 9:24pm
Reid

They may not have said to themselves that they wanted to destroy western civilisation but they did say they wanted to change it

Joe and Jane Public have been swept along by Travistock-like principles since the late 1800’s early 1900’s EAD. The social reactions to WWI, Versailles, the Roaring Twenties, the Weimar Republic and the sexual depravity in that, the Great Depression, the pill, the suffragettes, WWII, abortion, Vietnam, drugs, divorce on demand, feminism. All of those and more have been created and manipulated yet at the same time presented to the useful idiots at the time and in the history books as “spontaneous gwasswoots upwisings” and they were all designed to create some calculated reaction in the societies those events affected.

Social engineering.

We’re going through it right now. War on tewwor, AGW, the coming collapse.

Edit: re: above, I meant of course Einstein, not Edison.
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November 11, 2014 9:24pm
dad4justice

“Silly boy D4J.”

Oh grow up you immature fixated liar.
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November 11, 2014 9:25pm
David Garrett

Griff: You seem very reluctant to answer my question about OUR contribution to greenhouse gases and thus global warming – sorry, climate change…so I will assume the analogy I was given is correct..

Which just leaves PG’s “trade implications”…If anyone really thinks the Chinese will decide how much milk solids to buy from us depending on what we do or don’t do about that half a drop of greenhouse gas emissions I will politely say that person is very naïve and knows nothing of Chinese history…

Nasska: Actually I beg to differ…in fact Rutherford is on record as saying that anyone who thought vast amounts of energy could be harnessed from nuclear fission must believe in “moonshine” (not the sort you drink I assume)
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November 11, 2014 9:27pm
EAD

Nasska – is it organic evolution or a devolution as our culture is slowly becoming more primitive over time due to the welfare state, 3rd world immigration, dumbed down education system, celebration of Maori “Warrior” culture, an entertainment focused MSM, “all must have medals” mindset and breakdown of the traditional family?
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November 11, 2014 9:27pm
Pete George

Tesla was very clever on some things but also had some odd ideas. He supported eugenics and disagreed with Einstein’s theory of relativity. And he seems to have been off the mark with his atomic claims.

…he disagreed with the theory of atoms being composed of smaller subatomic particles, stating there was no such thing as an electron creating an electric charge (he believed that if electrons existed at all, they were some fourth state of matter or “sub-atom” that could only exist in an experimental vacuum and that they had nothing to do with electricity).

Tesla believed that atoms are immutable—they could not change state or be split in any way. He was a believer in the 19th century concept of an all pervasive “ether” that transmitted electrical energy.

But he seemed to understand science versus religion:

There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact. To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order.

Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without. Owing to the similarity of our construction and the sameness of our environment, we respond in like manner to similar stimuli, and from the concordance of our reactions, understanding is born.

In the course of ages, mechanisms of infinite complexity are developed, but what we call “soul” or “spirit,” is nothing more than the sum of the functionings of the body. When this functioning ceases, the “soul” or the “spirit” ceases likewise.

What happened to his energy source?
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November 11, 2014 9:28pm
Pete George

DG – while they are currently significant to us we can just rely on the Chinese for trade indefinitely.
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November 11, 2014 9:30pm
Rachael Membery

Just reading Official Secret by Clayton Hutton, 1961-62 fascinating book as he devised the escape devices sent to ww2 POW’s’s in parcels and which a lot of the RAF took with them on sortees in case of being unexpectedly in a foreign land and foreign hands.
Only one Library copy in all of NZ yet he devised the silk maps, the button compasses and so much more, clever, clever man.

He states that he considered that there was a duty to escape and cause bother behind the lines in ww2 that did not exist in ww1, so he set about making it easier.
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November 11, 2014 9:31pm
nasska

EAD

Your question is extremely subjective in that it lists changes only negatively.

For instance….what you depict as a “dumbed down education system” may be another’s Utopia of independent thinking & an absence of rote learning.

Yes there have been changes but they are not all for the worst.
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November 11, 2014 9:36pm
Reid

Tesla was very clever on some things but also had some odd ideas.

Read “Tesla: Man out of time” if you want to know fact not fiction.
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November 11, 2014 9:42pm
Griff

It is not about overall emissions it is two measures
emissions GDP and emissions per capita
if you read European press there is already talk about food miles.
a kiwi fruit from nz burns its weight in oil to get to market.
Consumers are being encouraged to consider such facts when purchasing this movement will continue to grow.
As is the push to move away from investment into the oil industry
we can chose to not change.
if we do we will be ostracized by those who do.

China is leading the charge on expanding renewable capacity. At the end of last year, China had installed a whopping 378GW of renewable energy capacity – about a quarter of renewables capacity installed worldwide, and over seven times Australia’s entire grid-connected power capacity. China continues to work towards ambitious capacity targets for 439GW of renewables by 2015 and 900GW by 2020.

We are being left behind.
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November 11, 2014 9:43pm
Redbaiter

“Yes there have been changes but they are not all for the worst.”

Yep, a self confessed drug abusing prog hillbilly from way back up yonder and who gets most of his income from the state would of course be an excellent judge of that.
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November 11, 2014 9:43pm
cha

Salvador Dali taking his anteater for a walk in Paris.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2HY1dgIYAAMjxM.jpg:large
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November 11, 2014 9:44pm
David Garrett

Yes, that’s all very interesting Griff…but the proportion – and total – of greenhouse gas emissions we are responsible for must ultimately be the most significant factor in deciding whether anything we do is or might be of any significance…Your dancing around my very simple question answers it for me…thank you.
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November 11, 2014 9:46pm
nasska

It’s the climate & fresh air up here that keeps me clear headed & able to help you stay on the straight & narrow paths of logic Baity. 🙂
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November 11, 2014 9:46pm
nasska

Thank you cha….having seen that I can now die a happy man. 🙂
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November 11, 2014 9:48pm
Redbaiter

Megan Kelly gets confused over gormless Mike Huckabee’s name-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_EMIiKTpGk
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November 11, 2014 10:17pm
Redbaiter

Cynthia and Robert Gifford, the Christian couple who refused to hold a same-sex wedding on their property, have been ordered to pay a $13,000 fine – $10,000 to the state of New York and $1,500 to each member of the lesbian couple to compensate their “mental anguish.”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/couple-refused-hold-lesbian-wedding-ceremony-property-facing-13000-fine/
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November 11, 2014 10:21pm
Griff

China’s ban on ‘dirty’ coal could cost Australian mining almost $1.5bn

Australia exports about 50m tonnes of thermal coal each year to China and the ban is expected to reduce exports by 40%
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/17/chinas-ban-on-dirty-coal-could-cost-australian-mining-almost-15bn
china do what china wants to do
The we are not significant will not matter dg as I said its emissions co2/ gdp and emissions per capita that the world will look at increasingly not how big our economy is.
China is not our only market and china can as it has with Australian coal decide to change its approach instantly with no negotiation.
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AGW is slowly having more impact around the globe.
Insurance cost will rise in nz after the last years extreme weather damage.
As the western drought and storms in the usa the flooding in England drought flooding and wildfires in Australia will rise their insurance payments
at some point the cost of continually repairing damage will make mitigation impossible on a global scale
if we haven’t done enough by then our financial system will collapse.
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November 11, 2014 10:22pm
Reid

AGW [propaganda] is slowly having more impact around the globe.
Insurance cost will rise in nz after the last years extreme weather ~~damage~~ propaganda.
As the western drought and storms in the usa the flooding in England drought flooding and wildfires in Australia will rise their insurance payments – duh.
at some point the cost of continually repairing damage will make ~~mitigation impossible~~ hysteria endemic on a global scale
if we haven’t done enough by then our financial system will collapse.

or people will be torn asunder by the cognitive dissonance generated by what they see on TV vs what they see when they walk outside.
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November 11, 2014 10:30pm
Odakyu-sen

Genocide (the “Big G”)

Here we go again.

Don noted: “There is a white genocide going on – a self inflicted one.” Not enough children born per female, was it.

Let’s look at the 2012 figures from the World Bank http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

Japan 1.4 per woman
China 1.7 (what happened to the “one child” policy?)
South Korea 1.3

Yep, the white race is in trouble all right. And Eastern Asia is right behind you.
Genocide sure is popular. All the best countries are into it!
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November 11, 2014 11:29pm
mikenmild

Remember DPF fooling around with this story?
http://www.jarrodgilbert.com/blog/inflated-gang-figures-corrected-in-cabinet-but-not-in-public
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November 12, 2014 5:43am
Pete George

Jarrod Gilbert’s posted seems contradictory. He claims that the Government and DPF were playing dirty politics using erroneous data, but Fisher’s article says the police gave them the erroneous data. His implication that they deliberately used bad data to justify a policy and that it was Dirty Politics is not substantiated.
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November 12, 2014 6:07am
mikenmild

You should go back and look at DPF’s post attacking Gilbert. Also, is not the issue now that the government wants to forget about the data that served a political purpose at the time and sees no need to correct that?
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November 12, 2014 6:31am
Pete George

I have.

“Also, is not the issue now that the government wants to forget about the data that served a political purpose at the time and sees no need to correct that?”

It should be, but that may be ignored because Gilbert has chosen to spend most of his post claiming he is a victim of ‘Dirty Politics’ and continues attacks on ‘Right Wing blogger David Farrar’ despite DPF apologising and strongly denying accusations that Gilbert continues to make.

Gilbert asks a valid question on the very end of his post…

And, given Cabinet documents reveal that the incorrect data were not just used to justify the government’s policy but were the very basis for creating it, should the policy be reevaluated now the problem is so vastly different to what the government was originally led to believe?

…but that is muddied because Jarrod Gilbert overplays “Dirty Politics’
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November 12, 2014 7:26am
mikenmild

I think the dirty politics angle might be slightly overplayed, but DPf definitely played his customary role of privileged defender of the government position.
Russell Brown takes a wider view of what this reveals:
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/garbage-in-garbage-out/
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November 12, 2014 7:37am
Milburn35

Many years ago TV1 had a 26 week series of WW1 called the Great War. I was quite young at the time, but the horrors of this war were there for all to see. If TVNZ still has this film in their archives a re-run would show New Zealanders what our troops had to endure. There was no glorifying this war. I am sure I am not the only one who watched this series.
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