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Pete George

UMR Research shows that political leanings and party support are far more complex than some on the LEFT and the RIGHT are willing to acknowledge. The survey slotted people into left, right and centre…

– Clearly left (0-3 on the scale) – 30%
– In the centre (4-6 on the scale) – 42%
– Clearly right (7-10 on the scale) – 26%

… and showed that party support was mixed.

‘Clearly left’ support:
– Labour 42%
– Greens 25%
– National 19%
– NZ First 9%

‘Clearly right’ support:
– National 76%
– Labour 13%
– NZ First 4%
– Greens 1%

The large centre support is critical in getting into Government.

Those on the extreme political fringes see things in black and white but voters are more of a kaleidescope.

More: Complexities of left, right and centre
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November 10, 2014 8:05am
OneTrack

Thanks Pete

So Labour and the Greens are the hard left vote?

I think I already knew that.
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November 10, 2014 8:10am
duggledog

Phillip John Smith who hasn’t even been inside for 20 years is out on day / night whatever releases. And hey guess what!? He’s buggered off somewhere. Excellent result!

The guy is a psycho murderer with the usual raft of convictions in his back story.

Go New Zealand. 3rd most prosperous country in the world, great at rugby, etc etc but shit dumb and useless when it comes to dealing with criminals like this.

I would say ‘unbelievable’ but actually I am not surprised at all.
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November 10, 2014 8:11am
flipper

Go back and read Stuart Alsop – The Real Majority” published circa 1970.
It is all there together with detail that UMR have now “duplicated”.
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November 10, 2014 8:13am
Yvette

At the time when Prime Minister Key floored Cunliffe with a simple question over Labour’s Capital Gains Policy, Cunliffe was condemned for no proper immediate answer although it was said to be Cunliffe’s own policy.

Now it appears David Parker was the policy architect, and the policy is now the centre of the leadership “primary”.
Fucking typical – Labour sidelined into policy discussion when the aim of the exercise is to determine who may actually have the better qualities to lead the Party.

“Currently, our system is rigged and it’s rigged to favour speculation, not investment in jobs. We reward speculation and we punish work. If the capital gains tax is not the answer, then what is?”

Capital gains tax is not the answer, because it is not the fucking question – is it?
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November 10, 2014 8:18am
oldpark

Every week tuning into NZ Parliament in the debating chamber. Jokes of the week continue to perform, in some instances they look like freaks and clowns. Russel Abnormal, the Aussie commie “greenie”, and Materialistic Turei all decked out in her Friar Tuck shaped body , and her white sports coat, all dressed up for the show. Best show in town, not to be missed.
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November 10, 2014 8:19am
Lindsay Addie

Re polls, Roy Morgan rang me on Friday so a new political poll will be out in the near future.
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November 10, 2014 8:20am
OneTrack

Oldpark – I just wish they would start doing their real job and stop wasting my money.
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November 10, 2014 8:22am
stephieboy

‘Top ISIS leaders killed’ after coalition air strikes take out at least ’50 extremists

US officials are yet to confirm whether the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was present at a meeting in a house in al-Qaim, a town on the Iraq-Syria border

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/top-isis-leaders-killed-after-4596227

What a great way to start the day .!
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November 10, 2014 8:25am
calendar girl

duggledog @ 08:11am – It’s an unacceptable situation. Who in the ‘Corrections’ environment will be held accountable for this – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10724735/Dangerous-murderer-Phillip-John-Smith-on-the-run – where members of a murder victim’s family live in fear of their own lives?

Will anyone in ‘Corrections’ find themselves out looking for new employment opportunities as a result of their poor judgement? Looks like direct questions should be asked by new Minister http://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/peseta-sam-lotu-iiga .
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November 10, 2014 8:30am
Manolo

Good to see stephieboy is a not a supporter of “multiculturalist” ISIS, that mob of peace-loving camel drivers.
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November 10, 2014 8:37am
Keeping Stock

@ Lindsay Addie – Roy Morgan had a poll out late last week which had National down a tad, and Labour at its lowest-ever level of support in a Morgan poll.
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November 10, 2014 8:42am
tom hunter

‘Top ISIS leaders killed’ after coalition air strikes take out at least ’50 extremists

Good news indeed, if they really did nail the bastards.

Of course there are some people who don’t agree with this approach: To the Military: You don’t protect my freedom

That article is (of course) from that bastion of Leftish “sobriety”, Salon.

Oh dear. It’s surprising even leftists still quote from its rabid pages. 🙂
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November 10, 2014 8:46am
IGM

Why is it that left-wing socialist losers are given the right to assess the safety of dangerous criminals. Time and again, we see these wimpy losers making stuff ups re criminals, yet they are still employed in overpaid, pathetic positions of control. Time this whole parole and bail b/shit was sorted, not later, but now! We don’t need degrees in sociology, we need competent experience in hard work and life, something these socialist bastards know nothing about.
Who is paying for this criminal Taylor’s action against JK? Better not be taxpayers.
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November 10, 2014 8:48am
tom hunter

BTW, this is a photo of the author of that fabulous Salon article.

View.

Chuckle.
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November 10, 2014 8:51am
Nookin

re TPPP

Why can’t we get some objective, rational and constructive appraisal on the idiot box. TV3 trots out Jane Kelsey, an avowed an unapologetic opponent who makes no constructive comment of any sort and whose opening stance is that every single person in NZ who has any input is acting in bad faith.
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November 10, 2014 8:54am
James Stephenson

View.

Chuckle.

I assume he must be “Tony Iommi” in a Black Sabbath tribute band in his spare time..
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November 10, 2014 8:59am
G152

‘Top ISIS leaders killed’ after coalition air strikes take out at least 50 extremists
The Berlin Wall falling 25 years ago
All good news for a Monday.
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November 10, 2014 9:04am
Manolo

The incompetent and now defeated Messiah wants to do it his way: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/09/obama-ill-do-what-need-to-do-on-immigration/
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November 10, 2014 9:08am
Dave Mann

Having just come back from Barcelona I’m interested in the unofficial ‘independence vote’ they’ve just had.

I was amazed by the amount of Catalan flags draped over balconies and the messages on tee-shirts etc. It seemed like the whole place wants to be independent of Spain…. and this is not a new thing either; it has been going on for hundreds of years.

Being interested in world politics, I spoke to a few people about it and it would seem that there is a strong core of independence support, but also it’s kinda ‘politically correct’ to support it too, so maybe that will influence this poll.

I found it quite sad that people want to break up their country. Obviously its not my country, so mine is just a foreigner’s viewpoint, but its sad nevertheless.

I predict a low turnout, but a high percentage in favour. Say… 25% turnout with 70% yes vote. Lets see…. 😀
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November 10, 2014 9:13am
dime

“Those on the extreme political fringes see things in black and white but voters are more of a kaleidescope.”

Pete – I think you fall into the trap of using the word “extreme”.

The only party close to being extreme would be Mana.. even then..
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November 10, 2014 9:16am
flipper

An interesting Australian perspective albeit ABC….

Have a look at the Barrie Cassidy opinion piece (on NZ) on the ABC site:

http://www.abc.net.au/news
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November 10, 2014 9:17am
EAD

Interesting choice of headline by Fairfax to mark the fall of the Berlin Wall.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/63053555/berlin-walls-fall-25-years-ago-an-epic-blow-to-tyranny

I was a schoolboy when the Berlin Wall came down and even then at 7 years old it felt like you were watching a seminal moment in history. With the benefit of history and hindsight, the legacy of the cold war continues to this day. The nuclear warheads and submarines, soaring rhetoric and massed army parades may have gone but the “long march through the institutions” continued and has absolutely crippled Western society. They marched through our institutions, and we marched through theirs. It is why Russia and China are on the ascendancy and we are slipping back (see this article about how the power is shifting in the global economy http://rt.com/op-edge/201563-time-new-world-order/)

All across the West, “right wing” parties have morphed into social democrats while the traditional left parties and greens are now different flavours of Communists & Fascists.

We may have won the military Cold War, but we lost the more important one – the war of ideas. Nothing now is too small for the almight State to stick its nose into whether it is smoking, smacking, private business, fireworks or what and where we drink and eat. Even now our speech is censored by “political correctness” and a Salem type witch hunt media,

I sometimes wish the Berlin Wall never fell – it’s almost as if the West lost the reason for its existence and unless we purge our institutions of the statist influence, the fate of the USSR will become our own.
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November 10, 2014 9:22am
dime

Conrad Smith is leaving the Ab tour early. Urgent family issue..

Crotty can slot straight in against Wales me thinks.

Id like to see Fekitoa against Scotland though. He and SBW can raise hell.

Hope my boy Piutau starts this week. IMHO our number 2 winger.
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November 10, 2014 9:28am
kowtow

dave mann

Strange world of politics. While the EU elites want a Federal Europe it looks like large minorties want “autonomy” or independance and yet as in the case of the Scots nationalists , the first thing they’d do upon gaining “independance” would be to surrender sovereignty to Brussels.
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November 10, 2014 9:35am
Tarquin North

I see the Horrid is banging on about white flight from low decile schools this morning. I suppose it makes a change from endless poorly researched articles about the cost of an outhouse in Auckland. I thought they would be more worried about advertiser flight and how to produce something other than a fish and chip wrapper. They truly get worse by the day.
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November 10, 2014 9:39am
stephieboy

I wonder what Manolo has on store for us today with his hate filled bile.

” The Nessiah ” naturally.

Next West Africans and other blacks or African Americans. ?

Muslims obviously including the Iraqi kind..?

Irish Catholics another one .?

Not forgetting Maoris and Islanders and top things up.
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November 10, 2014 9:41am
alloytoo

@Tarquin North

Given the disproportionate funding model in favour of lower decile schools doesn’t this at least raise some questions regarding the desirability of the model to the customers?
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November 10, 2014 9:44am
MH

had prisoners been allowed to vote the election result may have been different, taking into account ethnicity factors it would have meant in Helensville crims may have swung to Ms Bright. Bit early..but care for A Tui anyone?

Has Hone joined Isis yet? Not a great time with E-bola about to go around Honging people. Maybe his passport has bee revoked.
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November 10, 2014 9:47am
EAD

Alan Greenspan on Gold & Economic freedom:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-08/gold-economic-freedom

This quote of Greenspans is quite revealing of the persuasion of the crowd here that regularly attack a gold standard monetary system:
“An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions”

The whole essay is worth reading but the crux of it is summarised succinctly in the last 2 paragraphs:

“In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists’ antagonism toward the gold standard”
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November 10, 2014 9:55am
dime

Not wanting to wind our AB fans bruv and longknives up..

But im reading in the sydney morning herald that the all blacks had another escape…

how the hell is leading 24-14 and then having a dodgy as hell penalty try awarded against you an escape?

If we could kick goals, it would have been 33-14 before the penalty try? 36-14? I know we missed 6 points in conversions.. missed another 6 in penalties?
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November 10, 2014 9:57am
Manolo

@dime: That’s tripe from the SMH, always looking for a headline to attract unsuspecting readers.
The ABs deserved the win despite the atrocious display of refereeing by Nigel Owens.
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November 10, 2014 10:01am
stephieboy

EAD, always thought that Conpiracy theorists like yourself might find the 25th anniversary of that land to tyranny the Berlin wall most difficult to handle.

It would not surprise me if Paul Craig Riberts, Zero Hedge , Global Research and it’s affiliate RT some how claimed that the West actually built it or we’re resonsible for it ,such is the conspiracy world of Orwellian newspeak and double think.Hence you exclaiming that you wish the wall never fell.No concern naturally for the thousands who died fleeing .Maybe next you ,PCR , RT etc will next denounce the US and the West as the real traitors and the East German Stasi secret police as the real heroes.

Isn’t it marvelous Gorbaceav criticizing so called “Western Triumphalism ” over the end of the wall when he was part of a regime that built it in the first place.!

.The falll of the walk is simply l the potent symbol of freedom over that tyranny that was the East German Stasi and Goverment and their Soviet sponsors.
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November 10, 2014 10:01am
Manolo

It is all up fpr grabs: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/11/09/Willie-Brown-Hillary-Clinton-Is-Going-to-Lose
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November 10, 2014 10:05am
Simon

Death penalty was abolished because life was supposed to mean for life.

Smith released into the community by the same leftard thinking that consider that the public can be trusted with fireworks.

How many other murdering nutcases are there out side?

Even if you are leftard who thinks it is wonderful they are all outside got to ask the question because the Dept of Corrections aint up to the job of controlling the nutcases when they are outside.

Dept of Correction too badly run to allow the scum outside. Call all the scum back until Dept of Corrections is run properly.
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November 10, 2014 10:09am
MT_Tinman

dime (10,016 comments) says:
November 10th, 2014 at 9:57 am

But im reading in the sydney morning herald that the all blacks had another escape…

Did Big Bruv write the SMH rugby story?
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November 10, 2014 10:13am
Lance

Auckland council website crashed
New valuations available.
Not like it’s streaming video or anything, a few bytes of data on property details and value… sigh
No doubt mega bucks are paid for Auckland council IT with lots of high power, high paid people involved

Piss up in a brewery anyone?
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November 10, 2014 10:14am
Simon

Smith went missing Thursday the police werent informed until Saturday. FFS.

The lesson from the Smith escape. Lock down of all scum until Dept of Corrections is run properly.

What is the bloody Minister of Corrections doing today? Call all the scum back and dont release any more until Dept of Corrections is sorted.
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November 10, 2014 10:15am
Tarquin North

alloytoo, you raise a good point, but the way most articles are written in the Horrid the conclusion has already been decided and no counter argument is ever offered. The answer in most cases will simply be blame the government. As long as you fill in a page with dodgy statistics and graphs that mean nothing you’re on to a winner – it’s just lazines and poor journalism packaged as hard hitting ground breaking news that will sell advertising. It’s a shame because there could well be something in this other than trying to spin a dollar.
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November 10, 2014 10:15am
big bruv

Dime

“how the hell is leading 24-14 and then having a dodgy as hell penalty try awarded against you an escape? ”

Might it be that the NZ team were awarded two try’s that were clearly short of the line?

Whoever did write the SMH story is a proper sporting journalist. Those who watched the game with both eyes open could clearly see that like the 2011 RWC final the ref had decided that the NZ team were going to win.
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November 10, 2014 10:16am
fernglas

Simon @ 10:09 am
The death penalty was abolished because a civilised country found it abhorrent. Life never meant life without parole. For a long time, 7 and then 10 years were the minimum periods before eligibility. These days the Courts have the power to impose longer minimum non-parole periods as a recognition that murders and the people committing them have got worse. But long finite gaol sentences and life without parole if imposed indiscriminately create many more problems than they solve.
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November 10, 2014 10:20am
Padriv Ustoev

I see Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead. I hope that is not true. What a terrible waste. Now Uncle Ibin Hatab will never get the rest of the camel herd that he was to receive from Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as dowry for his middle daughter.
Once again, America imperialist go and disrupt the economic system of a developing nation.
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November 10, 2014 10:20am
dime

bruv – lol
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November 10, 2014 10:20am
Manolo

big bruv is a true master at providing comical relief, mirth, and laughter with his “balanced” rugby comments.
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November 10, 2014 10:24am
Don the Kiwi

Padriv.

If you’re so upset that that murdering bastard Bagdhadi is dead, why don’t you go and take his place.
You won’t get your 72 virgins here in NZ – you’d struggle to find 50, even if you deserved them.
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November 10, 2014 10:26am
tom hunter

Pssssst – Don

Read Jonathan Swift.
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November 10, 2014 10:28am
Manolo

These devout followers of the religion of peace should be left to kill themselves forever and ever: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/11/09/suicide-attack-on-kabul-police-station-kills-at-least-1/?intcmp=latestnews
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November 10, 2014 10:30am
Padriv Ustoev

Don the Kiwi –

I think you are very incorrect in your hatred. How would you feel if an American drone blew up your business partner before a business deal was complete? Not very happy I bet and also “out of pocket” as they say.
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November 10, 2014 10:31am
Don the Kiwi

Thanks for the advice tom.

Padriv, if not a mussie, is a very good piss-taker. 🙂
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November 10, 2014 10:32am
freemark

Haha, this is great..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/63055794/Key-and-Abbot-race-planes-to-Beijing-Apec-talks
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November 10, 2014 10:37am
wf

Last week I caught a bit of a tv programme which had an item about the amount of money that the Auckland DHB spent on haemodialysis for people with end stage renal failure.
500 patients? or was it $500 million? Whatever, the film showed miserable people fatalistically awaiting their end while machines whirred happily along beside them.
I wonder to what end these people are being kept alive? Are they going to work? Are they sole parents trying to raise their kids alone? Do they have a ‘quality of life’ to enjoy?
What other conditions are they being treated for? How much does this cost?
All I can think is that the Auckland DHBs must be very rich to be able to treat so many people – surely our government isn’t subsidising this?
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November 10, 2014 10:40am
big bruv

Manolo

You should try watching a game of footy with both eyes open. Unless you are from Canterbury this should not be overly difficult. When you do you will be amazed at what you see.

The AIG/Adidas team are not the saints you seem to think they are. The rules for them are different. One of the latest rule changes seems to be that the try line is whatever the AIG/Adidas team (and their hand picked ref’s) deem it to be. In the old days one had to place the ball on, or over, the line to score, this rule has been modified to suit the AIG/Adidas team. The new rule reads (only to apply to the AIG/Adidas team) “close enough is good enough”

The other obvious (but unpublicised rule, again only applying to the AIG/Adidas team) is that kicking an opponent is allowed. The AIG/Adidas team can lash out with their boots safe in the knowledge that their hand picked ref’s will, at worst, only hand out a yellow card.
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November 10, 2014 10:41am
MT_Tinman

Manolo (13,885 comments) says:
November 10th, 2014 at 10:24 am

big bruv is a true master at providing comical relief, mirth, and laughter with his “balanced” rugby comments.

I disagree with many of Big Bruv’s rugby comments but they are certainly as balanced as those of followers of the globetrotting franchise.
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November 10, 2014 10:49am
Ashley Schaeffer

I watched the All Blacks and Kiwi matches on the weekend and I have to say that the League was a lot less frustrating to watch on this occasion because of the poor refereeing in the All Blacks match. Hansen is correct, they need to get on top of the endless replays affecting the flow of the game and influencing the ref. It certainly affected my enjoyment. The Kiwis vs England match was a cracker and a great advertisement for the game. But the crowd, not so much. League in NZ seems to attract more than it’s fair share of munters.
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November 10, 2014 10:56am
IGM

A rainbow, a bankrupt, a union leech, and a apparition . . . they all disagree with JK in ISIS. Shows they can agree and return to their pacifist gutless roots when they need to concur. What a pathetic road show these bludgers have created, and who is paying? You guessed it: Taxpayers. No matter where there is a trough, Labourites will find some way to attack it! When is one of the wankers ever going to show us how to personally make a buck . . . too hard for leeches, eh!
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November 10, 2014 10:58am
Colville

Pity the “hand picked” ref didnt yellow card the player for the cynical foul in front of the posts along with a penalty try.
Pity the “hand picked” ref didnt award the very clear try to Whitelock.
Pity the “hand picked’ ref yellow carded a ABs player clearly against the strongly worded advice of the TMO.

Infact I hope they arent paying Owens much coz he really turned in a shit performance!
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November 10, 2014 10:58am
EAD

Whatever happened to the commentator on here “Uglytruth”?

There seems to be a lot less colourful characters around post-election…
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November 10, 2014 11:00am
freemark

I suspect big bwuv was never picked for any kind of team, especially rugby – you know, the one left at the end..
Probably not much luck with the girls (or boys) either.
Normally I’d have a bit of empathy/pity for the type..
But he/she is just such a nasty, bitter & twisted person, I can’t muster any at all..
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November 10, 2014 11:03am
dime

speaking of teams who hand pick refs, the kangaroos do.

hoping like hell we dont have an aussie ref for the final. if we do, expect the kiwis to be penalised out of the game. some of the penalties that aussie faggot came up with yesterday against the samoans were disgraceful

the penalty count was 5-1 at one point stage. it started to even out but most penalties awarded to the samoans werent when they were in great position. the aussies seem to get one whenever they were in trouble on their own line.
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November 10, 2014 11:04am
Manolo

More multi-culturalism British-style: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/63032523/queen-elizabeth-murder-plot-foiled.html

The plan to stab Queen Elizabeth was foiled by British police, who arrested four Islamic terror suspects.
The suspects were allegedly planning to stab the 88-year-old monarch to death at the Royal Albert Hall, The Sun reported.
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November 10, 2014 11:08am
Manolo

@EAD: Bonkers UglyTruth married deranged Judith. They now live happily in an undisclosed mental institution.

stephie almost died: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/63048725/cnn-typo-mistakes-osama-for-obama
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November 10, 2014 11:10am
big bruv

freemark

Feeling a little insecure that one of your fellow countryman has the audacity to point out some truths about the self titled “greatest sporting team of all time” ? Does that make me a traitor in your book?. I do hope so.

You must live quite a sad little life if you have to identify via a rugby team. Born and bred in Christchurch are you?
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November 10, 2014 11:11am
hj

DAME ANNE SALMOND FRSNZ

Distinguished Professor of Maori Studies and Anthropology at the University of Auckland

Through her many books and public appearances, Dame Anne Salmond articulates a vision for a vibrant and successful future New Zealand that harnesses our unique combination of Maori, Pakeha and other heritages…

….
Dame Fish has a crack at explaining multiculturalism.
The Rutherford Lectures.
Radio Red.
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November 10, 2014 11:17am
dime

Bruv – what would it take for you to became an all blacks fan again?

zero sponsorship? ditch super rugby. club rugby only? no money paid to players? they all have to work on farms? somehow they have to gag the media who write about them?
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November 10, 2014 11:19am
hj

When Ridley was stabbed Radio Red’s correspondent turned it into a “did the far right turn up ” event.
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November 10, 2014 11:21am
big bruv

Dime

“Bruv – what would it take for you to became an all blacks fan again?”

Why would I want to become a fan of the AIG/Adidas NZ team?
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November 10, 2014 11:24am
dime

“Why would I want to become a fan of the AIG/Adidas NZ team?”

because you seem damaged. like a jilted lover.

like you walked in on your gf back in the day an shes in bed with AIG!
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November 10, 2014 11:27am
Colville

like you walked in on your gf an shes in bed with AIG!

More like Sir Richie was up to his balls in the GF !
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November 10, 2014 11:29am
publicwatchdog

Which of Professor Jane Kelsey’s considered opinions on the secretive pro-corporate investors’ TransPacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) did you particularly dislike Nookin?

Have yet to see thousands of New Zealanders march in towns and cities in support of the TPPA?

When it comes to whose word I prefer to trust, in defending the interests of the NZ public majority, I’ll take Professor Jane Kelsey’s over that of shareholder in the Bank of America – ex-Wall St banker, now (sometimes) Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Key.

Whose interests are being served by PM John Key?

Follow the dollar ……

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’
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November 10, 2014 11:35am
dime

“More like Sir Richie was up to his balls in the GF !”

what a lovely turn of phrase hahaha

a guy my brother knows is married to a chick who hooked up with Sir Richie many moons ago.. he hasnt been able to watch the all blacks for YEARS
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November 10, 2014 11:39am
publicwatchdog

I doubt if many ‘white collar’ criminals would have voted for me ‘MM’.

But -oh – that’s right, ‘white collar’ criminals very rarely go to jail …..

Penny Bright
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November 10, 2014 11:43am
big bruv

Dime

Very droll. But again, the question remains. Why would I want to be a cheerleader for the AIG/Adidas NZ rugby team?
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November 10, 2014 11:43am
big bruv

“But -oh – that’s right, ‘white collar’ criminals very rarely go to jail …..”

Do those who don’t pay their rates go to Jail?
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November 10, 2014 11:44am
kowtow

fernglas says

“The death penalty was abolished because a civilised country found it abhorrent.”

Bullshit,across the west the death penalty was abolished by the usual band of brigands, elitist politcians, academics, activist lawyers etc ,in many if not most cases againt the wishes of the people who have to carry the burden of the consequences of crime.Still happening today,the out of touch political classes pushing their agendas ,be it multiculturalism, anti nationalism, global warming, etc
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November 10, 2014 11:45am
Fletch

Palestinians have been praising the man who ran over an Israeli baby and are urging others to use their cars in the same way. There has even been a song uploaded by a Palestinian duo called, ‘Run over, run over the 2-month-old baby girl’.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/11/09/run-overthe-baby-the-song-that-rallies-palestinians-to-kill-israeli-infants/?amp&amp

Original source in Arabic – http://www.mako.co.il/news-world/arab-q4_2014/Article-4780e31f6598941004.htm
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November 10, 2014 11:48am
Fletch

The Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called for the annihilation of Israel in a series of tweets.

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the destruction of Israel over the weekend, stating that the “barbaric” Jewish state “has no cure but to be annihilated.”

In a tirade posted on Twitter Saturday night, using the hashtag #handsoffalaqsa, in reference to the recent tensions on the Temple Mount, the Iranian religious leader also reiterated his appeal to arm the Palestinians in the West Bank.

“This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of #Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated,” Khamenei wrote.

“West Bank should be armed just like #Gaza. Friends of Palestine should do their best to arm People in West Bank.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-supreme-leader-calls-for-israels-annihilation/
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November 10, 2014 11:50am
kowtow

DTK

Re Padriv,you have to larf,he’s our very own version of Borat Sagdiyev…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyk9yiACkw
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November 10, 2014 11:51am
dime

bruv – ill word it another way.

is there anything the all blacks can do that would stop your bitching about them?
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November 10, 2014 11:53am
alloytoo

@Penny

By all accounts about 0.14% of Auckland’s population showed by for your little protest.

No doubt some were only there because they thought they were joining a WINZ queue, having spotted all their mates there.

There were probably more Kiwi’s cheering on the All Blacks at Twickenham.

There will most certainly be more people at each of the various Santa Parades due to kick off around the country.
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November 10, 2014 12:04pm
Kimbo

@ publicwatchdog

Which of Professor Jane Kelsey’s considered opinions on the secretive pro-corporate investors’ TransPacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) did you particularly dislike Nookin?

You didn’t ask me Penny, but I’ll answer: –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Kelsey

“At Cambridge…”left-thinking Marxist scholars … taught her (Kelsey) the political theory that … underpins her daily work.””

Like you, Penny, Kelsey would have us believe all monetary transactions, including international trade are a form of economic oppression. Ordinary people who use common sense understand otherwise.

Twenty five years ago the Berlin Wall fell. Seems only Comrade Hanoi Jane Kelsey and you want to re-build it. The rest of us have happily moved on…
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November 10, 2014 12:10pm
kowtow

fletch

Those tweets are clearly a Zionist plot. The whole world knows that Islam is a religion of peace, in fact THE religion of peace and so no imam of said religion would ever ,ever suggest anything remotely violent…….

……the other thing about this is how the Muzzies claim the Temple Rock to be theirs and not just theirs but the third holiest place in Islam ,and how does that come to be? It’s based on a dream that the Muslim warlord Mohammed had!

Once again we see the dominating nature of Islam, it plagiarises from the Jewish and Christian traditions and then seizes those as their own.

All this is uncritically accepted by our elites,the MSM and the members of the permanent political class.
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November 10, 2014 12:11pm
Rachael Membery

It will be interesting to see whether our absconded sex offender/murder has left the country on a false passport.

Are fake passports really that easy to get?

Without the usual haranguing of DG thanks.

Surely things have been tightened up since the good old days?
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November 10, 2014 12:15pm
kowtow

Another thug allows the mask to slip.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/mary-lou-defends-adams-sick-murder-threat-joke-30729477.html

Gerry Adams threatens journalists.
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November 10, 2014 12:17pm
big bruv

Dime

Unlike others, I am not prepared to put my brain in a jar and cheer on the orders of Steve Tew, AIG and Adidas.

I refuse to buy into the endless lies about the NZ team. I refuse to accept that just because somebody plays for the NZ team that makes them above the law. I refuse to believe (in the face of overwhelming evidence) that our sporting journalistic skills have sunk so low as to afford a lick spittle like Toby Robson as many column inches as he enjoys. I refuse to believe that my fellow Kiwis can be as shallow as to quantify their lives via the actions of a team of rugby players.
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November 10, 2014 12:22pm
big bruv

kowtow

“Gerry Adams threatens journalists.”

A murdering bastard. One who should have been strung up from the highest tree.
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November 10, 2014 12:24pm
Redbaiter

Shut up Bigot you boring troll.

Its always all about you.
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November 10, 2014 12:25pm
publicwatchdog

Ah yes ‘Alley oops poops’ – but look at the media coverage 🙂

HEAPS more New Zealanders are now getting a far better understanding of whose interests are being served by those who are pushing this secretive, NON-transparent, pro- corporate investors TransPacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA).

Hey!

At least I’m consistent in my fight for TRANSPARENCY.

Happy with your new Auckland Council rates bill Big Bore?

If not – what are YOU going to do about it?

Apart from whine at people like myself – who are making a stand that CAN’T be ignored?

Never mind dear.

I live in hope that one day you will grow a couple of brain cells and realise that my fight for transparency in Auckland Council rates SPENDING, is actually defending YOUR lawful rights as a citizen and ratepayer to ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government.

(Meant of course in a caring, albeit VERY optimistic way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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November 10, 2014 12:25pm
georgebolwing

I agree that the death penalty was abolished because all over the world, parliaments, elected under a variety of electoral systems, came to view it as an inappropriate punishment.

This was in part a continuation of the long march from barbarism to civilization. Flogging and whipping were punishments available to New Zealand courts in the Crimes Act 1908, for example.

Plus it was also a reaction to increasing instances of wrongful convictions that could not be corrected.
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November 10, 2014 12:25pm
Redbaiter

“This was in part a continuation of the long march from barbarism to civilization. ”

No George, you have it completely arse about face, and if you weren’t a constant mainstream media suckhole you’d get this. Civilisation is degenerating at the hands of misguided progressive idiots like you, who mindlessly buy into every myth the MSM sells them.
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November 10, 2014 12:32pm
Fletch

……the other thing about this is how the Muzzies claim the Temple Rock to be theirs and not just theirs but the third holiest place in Islam ,and how does that come to be? It’s based on a dream that the Muslim warlord Mohammed had!

Yep, neither Jerusalem or its temple is mentioned in the Koran, only the “furthest mosque” which Mohammed apparently visited in a dream on a flying donkey with a human face, wings and a peacock’s tail (I am not making this up). There was no mosque even on the site until generations after Mohammed’s death. The Dome of the Rock was built by Caliph Abd al Mâlik on the site of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in the late 7th century, well after Mohammed died.

Mohammed never physically set foot in Jerusalem.

The Dome Of The Rock is another Islamic “victory mosque”, like the one they want to build at the site of 9/11 in the U.S, where they convert the building of some other place or religion into a mosque to show their victory over the native peoples.
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November 10, 2014 12:34pm
Redbaiter

“I live in hope that one day you will grow a couple of brain cells and realise that my fight for transparency in Auckland Council rates SPENDING, is actually defending YOUR lawful rights as a citizen and ratepayer to ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government.”

Coming from a confirmed communist that has to one of the most classic examples of self delusion you’d read here.
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November 10, 2014 12:34pm
Ryan Sproull

Yep, neither Jerusalem or its temple is mentioned in the Koran, only the “furthest mosque” which Mohammed apparently visited in a dream on a flying donkey with a human face, wings and a peacock’s tail (I am not making this up).

You generally want to be careful about phrasing the supernatural beliefs of others to highlight how ridiculous they sound when you subscribe to some yourself.
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November 10, 2014 12:37pm
publicwatchdog

So what are YOU doing to expose the lack of transparency in Auckland Council rates spending ‘Dead Brainer’?

Are YOU happy with YOUR latest Auckland Council rates bill?

If not – what are YOU going to do about it?

Well – I know you’re not that big on TRANSPARENCY – you don’t even put your name to your posts.

Penny Bright
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November 10, 2014 12:45pm
Pharmachick

@Rachel Membery,

yep, I have been asking the exact same question. It beggars belief really – this guy was supposed to be banged up on some very hefty charges, I seem to recall the original sentence was ~43 years. Big question: How did he have the means and opportunity to get a fake passport?

Also, that’s the second pedophile to skip NZs borders on a fake/stolen passport in as many months. SMH.
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November 10, 2014 12:47pm
Kimbo

@ big bruv

I refuse to believe that my fellow Kiwis can be as shallow as to quantify their lives via the actions of a team of rugby players.

Um, about the only one around here I see doing that in an obsessive (albeit contrary) fashion is you, bb.

Look back in the record books and contemporary accounts. when Whineray’s team beat England at Twickenham 14-0 in 1964, and Lochore’s team repeated the dose 23-11 in 1967, both in the jolly old amateur days. You will find that nay-sayers like yourself were whinging about Pinetree Meads cheating in the lineouts which supposedly “cheapened” the victories.

Oh, yes, and some were also complaining that because England wore white, and New Zealand black, the All Black infringements were less obvious. Well, yes, but then maybe the Rugby Football Union didn’t think that one through properly when they chose their national colours in 1870. Or maybe it was all part of a Steve Tew plot…

In fifty years time McCaw, Read, the Smiths and Tuipuloto (had to mention the Ponsonby player!) will be remembered just like Clarke, Tremain, Kirton, Meads, Lochore, Gray and Whineray are now.

The chances of big bruv’s complaints being noted at that time? About as likely as a Welshman admitting Sid Going was a better half back than Gareth Edwards.

But if you want to continually reinforce your case for President of “the All Blacks don’t win games – they just score more points than their opponents” club, far be it from me to dissuade you.
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November 10, 2014 12:48pm
Chuck Bird

@Rachael Membery

If Smith got a false passport it is almost certain he had help before he left jail.

He was meant to stay with a family sponsor. If they did not have to sign anything stating they would call authorities as soon as he went missing with the penalty stated corrections are negligent. If they were warned they should be prosecuted.
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November 10, 2014 12:49pm
stephieboy

The High Price of Republican Hypocrisy.

Crony capitalism, big government boondoggles, and other GOP failures

A traditional GOP mantra is to rail against big government but as is is so often the case ,with so many snouts in the trough or vested interests ,ideology more often than not gives way to either outright expediency or common sense pragmatism.

The coming months is going to be interesting to see if the Repugnanticans are true to their ideological principles or are there is again to many of those famished snouts around .

Could it be safe to say also that military expenditure will be also a prime target for a king hit. ?

This given the fact there appears to be a strong Ron and Rand Paul inspired isolationist sentiment.??

http://reason.com/archives/2011/11/11/the-high-price-of-republican-hypocrisy
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November 10, 2014 12:53pm
publicwatchdog

Has the Tax Payers Union made a Press Release yet, opposing the lack of transparency with the TPPA text?

If not – why not?

Come on Jordan Williams!

Where are you on THIS issue?

Didn’t see any ‘Tax Payers Union’ banners or placards on any of the anti-TPPA rallies held on Saturday 8 November 2014?

Why was that?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

PS: Have YOU ever been a member of any Union Jordan Williams? (Just asking ….. 🙂
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November 10, 2014 1:00pm
Redbaiter

“you don’t even put your name to your posts.”

They’re not posts they’re comments.

I don’t lie about what I stand for. You’re cloaking your typical communist revolutionary stance with the false claim that you care about the interests of ratepayers.

You care about nothing but your delusional goal of bringing down capitalism and if ratepayers have to suffer to this end you don’t give a damn.
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November 10, 2014 1:00pm
big bruv

“Coming from a confirmed communist that has to one of the most classic examples of self delusion you’d read here.”

That’s a bit rich coming from the most delusional commentator on this blog. Whilst it is clear that Ms Bright is bonkers it should be noted that you are of the same Ilk Bedwetter.

Both of you want to force your choice of lifestyle onto others, both of you live in a fantasy world (yours Bedwetter might be worse than Penny’s given that you seem to think that you are American as well as Kiwi) and both believe that to achieve your idea of utopia is only possible by use of force.

I will say one thing for Ms Bright though. Unlike you Bedwetter she can actually lay claim to having won a couple of battles. You cannot.
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