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November 29, 2014 8:00am by David Farrar

Episode 7

38 years after Episode 4!

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WineOh

I was pleasantly surprised by both of the last two Star Trek movies directed by Abrams, so hopefully Ep 7 won’t suck as badly as most of the fanboys will have us believe. Will be giving it the benefit of the doubt!
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November 29, 2014 8:12am
Daniel

13 months away! bah.
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November 29, 2014 8:12am
Dave Mann

It will be a waste of time and energy like all the other Star Wars garbage… no original ideas, no philosophical or challenging concepts and a very thin storyline. Just a shallow cowboys-‘n-indians movie, but in silly costumes.
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November 29, 2014 9:18am
James Stephenson

Sounds good to me, Dave.
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November 29, 2014 9:22am
dime

Seriously, holy shit!!!
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November 29, 2014 9:37am
Yoza

Dave Mann (1,253 comments) says:
November 29th, 2014 at 9:18 am

Just a shallow cowboys-‘n-indians movie, but in silly costumes.

But with light-sabers and spaceships! Stupid Dave.
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November 29, 2014 9:47am
tom hunter

I liked this tweet:

It is a dark time for the franchise
Although box office is strong
Marketing greed and awfulness of
Episodes 1-3 have shaken confidence…

I liked what Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot several years ago – but he was able to have some fun with backstories, including the development of characters that were already “beloved” by fans. That’s not the case here, so I’ll catch this on Netflix in 2017 or so.

Late at night

Perhaps after a few beers!!!!
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November 29, 2014 10:00am
Michael

I have little confidence in Abrams. If you are going to re-use the plot of the best Star Trek film you could at least not make it suck.

Although he can’t be as bad as Lucas’ Episodes 1-3.
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November 29, 2014 11:27am
Fletch

I think the lightsabre ‘broadsword’ looked a bit silly though.
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November 29, 2014 12:09pm
Changeiscoming

Where does this fit into the series? After Episode 6 Jeturn of the Jedi? So the Emperor and Darth Vader are dead?
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November 29, 2014 12:10pm
Fletch

Change, yes, it comes after Return of the Jedi, and has the characters from the original trilogy, including Mark Hamil as Luke, Harrison Ford as Han, Carrie Fisher as Leia and even Fishers’ daughter playing a young Leia in a flashback.

And yes, the Emperor and Vader are presumably dead.

Interesting fact: Mark Hamil (Luke Skywalker) is now older than Alec Guinness (Ben Kenobi) was in the very first Star Wars.
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November 29, 2014 12:18pm
Johnboy

I find it very hard to believe that dumb fucks still get off on this Star Wars shit! 🙂

Call me a silly old cynic if you like but to be honest after the first couple of movies all of it reverted to rubbish. 🙂
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November 29, 2014 12:21pm
Johnboy

Fletch (above) merely re-inforces my view! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 12:22pm
Johnboy

Still I’m a chap who hasn’t wasted any money going to watch Jacksons crap either so I suppose I’m an exception to the rule that suggests dumb bastards are easily amused! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 12:30pm
Fletch

I notice that one of the writers for the new film (along with Abrams) is Lawrence Kasdan, who directed Empire Strikes Back. Whether this bodes well or not, I do not know.

One of the actors listed is Max von Sydow (who played Ming in Flash Gordon), who also does the voice-over.
The same actors who played Chewbacca, C3-PO, and RD-D2 are also back. Anthony Daniels, who played C3-PO has implied in a tweet that the new film is better than Empire.

“No movie sequel is better than The Empire Strikes Back.” You might eat those words for Xmas dinner in 2015. Joy & Indigestion to the world! –

https://twitter.com/ADaniels3PO/status/529079083460616192
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November 29, 2014 12:34pm
Manolo

I must praise johnboy for his (old) wisdom, which I do share! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 12:39pm
Fletch

ps, I just looked up Lawrence Kasdan, and, as well as directing Empire, he is also the co-writer of The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Return of the Jedi.
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November 29, 2014 12:57pm
Peter

It looks fine. But it was always going to look fine.

The question is – does it have a story, well told? The first two did. Everything after that was largely unwatchable dross.
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November 29, 2014 1:03pm
Kimbo

@ Johnboy

Still I’m a chap who hasn’t wasted any money going to watch Jacksons crap either so I suppose I’m an exception to the rule that suggests dumb bastards are easily amused! 🙂

Me too.

Seriously, how can people, adults in particular, watch this crap?!

I suffered through half of the first LOTR DVD, but that was enough, and never went back. Star Wars was ok in 1977 when you were 10 because of the FX. But 40 years later with the same unoriginal storylines, seriously?! As Harrison Ford was alleged to have said to George Lucas, “George, you can type this shit, but you can’t say it!”. And Lucas and Speilberg managed to kill-off “New Hollywood” with this brain-dead 1970s blockbuster rubbish.

And didn’t James Cameron steal Pocohantas for Avatar (another load of rubbish I have happily avoided)? And then there are the Twi-hards…!

Still, each to his or her own.
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November 29, 2014 1:09pm
Fletch

I suffered through half of the first LOTR DVD, but that was enough, and never went back.

I understand. I watched the first one and was not impressed, to the point where I didn’t bother going to the cinema to watch the second, but caught it on DVD. But PLEASE do watch the second one, The Two Towers.
It is poetic, full of gravitas etc. I am not impressed by many movies these days (and, in fact, did not think much of the third LOTR movie – too much CGI etc), but the second is WELL worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soe8ayi3ScE

I haven’t seen any of the Hobbit movies.
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November 29, 2014 1:19pm
Johnboy

Quite so kimbo. The big white spaceship that was doing its thing in a galaxy far, far away in 1977 was good. It was different.

Now it’s just boring shit for bored people. Get a fucking life I say. Stop living in the past.

If you want to do that join “Little Andy’s Labour Party” 🙂
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November 29, 2014 1:26pm
Peter

I saw the first LOTR movie. Well, I saw the first half. I literally fell asleep. Utterly boring. Monumentally pretentious.

Perhaps, like Star Wars, you really need to be 10….
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November 29, 2014 1:42pm
Johnboy

Jacksons splatter movie made in Makara was his best. Everything else has been shit.

But..Hey… The money rolls in! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 1:45pm
tom hunter

And didn’t James Cameron steal Pocohantas for Avatar ….

No. He stole Dances with Wolves.

Hence the nasty alternative title for Avatar – Dances with Smurfs
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November 29, 2014 1:49pm
mikenmild

Good luck trying to get anything like an original storyline for EP VII. But that’s not the point – it will be how it is told, acted and shown.
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November 29, 2014 1:55pm
Lance

Why the hell would a bunch of grumpy old star wars haters come onto a thread about star wars to moan about it?

At least attempt to say what you might like to see in the new movie or whatever.

JJ Abrams made a stellar job of the Star Trek remake, no reason to believe this will not be as good a job.
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November 29, 2014 2:46pm
Lance

And yes
Avatar was so bad it was the highest grossing movie of all time.

/sarc/
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November 29, 2014 2:49pm
mikenmild

I shouldn’t have thought too many on Kiwiblog were looking for high art in a movie, Lance. I’ll certainly go and see the new episode, but I can’t get excited about it a year out.
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November 29, 2014 2:51pm
Fentex

I liked the first season of Lost, I liked the first half of Star Trek: Into Darkness.

All else Abrams’ has done irritates and annoys me, but I thought after he tried to make Start Trek into Star Wars by actually making Star Wars he may have found his home.

Unfortunately he seems to have been struck by the same illness that seems to befall many people attracted to Star Wars – an unearned, uninteresting, fascination with Jedi and the Force – the most boring and trite elements of the movies.

A flaming light sabre with a cross guard? Yuck. Seeing that sinks my heart.

The Millenium Falcon being acrobatic? Yay! More please!

It’s Star Wars, not Star Jedi or Star Force godammit.
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November 29, 2014 2:54pm
Johnboy

“Why the hell would a bunch of grumpy old star wars haters come onto a thread about star wars to moan about it?”

Just to piss off an obvious culturally tasteless retard like you Lance….. No other reason! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 2:54pm
tom hunter

Johnboy thinks that everything is shit – including his own comments! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 3:01pm
Fentex

…watched the first one and was not impressed, to the point where I didn’t bother going to the cinema to watch the second, but caught it on DVD. But PLEASE do watch the second one, The Two Towers.

I am amazed at how differently people can see these things.

I think The Fellowship of the Ring was far and away the best of all the Middle Earth movies with the tightest script, clearest focus, least abuse of effects and all round best effort, I assume, because it was the first and had to justify the expense.

Ever since they have gradually declined in quality as special effect spectacle has asserted itself.

Which doesn’t stop my admiring the spectacle of new movies (loved the eagles in the first of the Hobbit movies), but satisfying stories, acting and plots last longer in the mind.
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November 29, 2014 3:03pm
V

Johnboy, you have cemented your place as the resident curmudgeon.
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November 29, 2014 3:04pm
Johnboy

Indeed I do tom. I am of course an exception to all the rest of you fine chaps that comment here who all think every word you utter is genius! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 3:05pm
tom hunter

I think The Fellowship of the Ring was far and away the best of all the Middle Earth movies ….

I agree. The way that the atmosphere changed through the movie was captured well, both in terms of the characters starting light-heartedly and becoming more grim, down to the colour changes, from the brightly lit, green, flowering landscape of the Shire, to the darker hues and tones later in the movie. In other words, everything contributed to the development of the story.

Whereas II was grim, dark and grey from beginning to end – which to be fair is how it is in the book – and III was sooooooo bloody long (which, to be fair, is also how it is in the book).

So I can watch The Fellowship of the Ring again if my kids want, whereas the others mean that I have other things to do!
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November 29, 2014 3:09pm
Johnboy

That may be so V but to be honest Peter Jackson’s shite is boring crap since his first movie. Star Wars is shite since about the second one. Camerons shite is crap. Crap like that just appeals to the feeble minded really. If it brings in money for Bill English and it means JK can have a pose ….fine. I wouldn’t waste the cost of a ticket on any of it really.
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November 29, 2014 3:11pm
mikenmild

What was the last movie you shelled out to see, then JB?
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November 29, 2014 3:13pm
tom hunter

I am of course an exception to all the rest of you fine chaps that comment here who all think every word you utter is genius!

Oh I know, Johnboy, I know. I almost always get the feeling that you think the rest of us are a bunch of pompous, pretentious chaps with inflated views of our opinions and standing in the world. In effect:

KB Commentariat: WORLD LISTEN TO ME”

Johnboy: Wankers

Would that about cover it? 😆
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November 29, 2014 3:13pm
Johnboy

I think it was the first Star Wars milkey. If not it was The Ten Comandments starring Charleton Heston and Yul Brynner! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 3:23pm
Johnboy

What you do with your spare hand is none of my business tom.

In your case your assessment of your situation seems to be very appropriate! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 3:26pm
Kimbo

Avatar was so bad it was the highest grossing movie of all time.

…superceding Titanic, I believe.

And THAT was a crap movie too. I mean, come on – you didn’t know the boat was gonna sink?!
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November 29, 2014 3:31pm
Kimbo

@ johnboy

I think it was the first Star Wars milkey. If not it was The Ten Comandments starring Charleton Heston and Yul Brynner! 🙂

..and Cecil B. DeMille as Jehovah

“All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up.”
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November 29, 2014 3:34pm
Johnboy

He was Jehovah to all those early stars Kimbo. One bad word from him and they were smitten! 🙂

Nice to see that a young chap like yourself knows history!
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November 29, 2014 3:37pm
tom hunter

In your case your assessment of your situation seems to be very appropriate!

I pride myself on my perception!!! 🙂

And THAT was a crap movie too. I mean, come on – you didn’t know the boat was gonna sink?!

I’d put off seeing the damned thing for months in the theatres because I thought it would stink. But against all expectations I actually enjoyed it – even with all all the crypto-communist crap and that infamous feminist ending where boy saves girl “in every way you can save a person” and then dies, leaving her to get on with living a good, free life.

An alternative ending for them has been explored – even photographed:

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/reddit-titanic.jpg

Selfish bitch!
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November 29, 2014 3:40pm
Kimbo

@ johnboy

He was Jehovah to all those early stars Kimbo. One bad word from him and they were smitten! 🙂

Nice to see that a young chap like yourself knows history!

Clever man, Cecil B. DeMille. How to get around the strict level of censorship imposed on movies in the 1920s? Film lots of orgy scenes, but set them as the revels of godless pagan nations about to suffer righteous wrath in the moral tale of a biblical epic.
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November 29, 2014 3:44pm
Johnboy

Fuck me. You have no taste at all Tom. If you could sit through the shit that was “Titanic…the movie”

I got to halfway and left it to the wife and daughter to finish watching. I did watch “A Night to Remember”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_to_Remember_%281958_film%29

Far better rendition of the sinking IMHO.
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November 29, 2014 3:46pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

I’d put off seeing the damned thing for months in the theatres because I thought it would stink. But against all expectations I actually enjoyed it – even with all all the crypto-communist crap and that infamous feminist ending where boy saves girl “in every way you can save a person” and then dies, leaving her to get on with living a good, free life.

I fear you are too kind. Cliterature in celluloid would sum it up for me.
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November 29, 2014 3:49pm
mikenmild

I just found Titanic far too long – just waiting for the effing boat to sink already.

Star Wars IV to VI are part of my cultural heritage, watched over and over and still enjoyable. Episodes I to II I have seen and don’t ever need to see again. Highlight was Temuera Morrison’s Jango Fett, complete with bro accent.
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November 29, 2014 3:50pm
Johnboy

It got better later on kimbo when men and wimmin were just allowed to be in the same bed as long as they had one foot on the floor!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code
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November 29, 2014 3:51pm
tom hunter

Fuck me. You have no taste at all Tom.

I call that bold talk coming from a one eyed fat man who values Romneys over Perendales! 😈

Cliterature

My new favourite word!!!!

One sticks with a almost trite KB thread and is rewarded!
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November 29, 2014 3:55pm
Manolo

One wonders if the new meaning of curmudgeon is heavy G&T drinker? 😀
Cheers JB.
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November 29, 2014 3:55pm
Johnboy

I’m 6′ 1″ and 96kg tom. Both my eyes work well enough to spot a wanker. However all sheep look the same to me though! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 4:00pm
Kimbo

@ johnboy

It got better later on kimbo when men and wimmin were just allowed to be in the same bed as long as they had one foot on the floor!

Hmm. I take it when they ordered (from your link): –

,…That special care be exercised in the manner in which the following subjects are treated, to the end that vulgarity and suggestiveness may be eliminated and that good taste may be emphasized:
Actual hangings or electrocutions as legal punishment for crime;…

Rape or attempted rape;

…that lynching scenes for “darkies” who couldn’t keep their hands of “our white women” such as in D.W.Griffiths’ Birth of a Nation were clearly seen as being in good taste! (sarc/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation
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November 29, 2014 4:11pm
cha

Lots of concept/behind the scenes stuff.

http://starwars.tumblr.com/

http://instagram.com/starwars

https://www.youtube.com/user/starwars
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November 29, 2014 4:17pm
slightlyrighty

Sometimes we want to see amovie that takes us back to the joy we felt watching a movie when we were 10. I was 10 when Star Wars came out. The perfect age. Effects that made me go wow when I was 10 probably wouldn’t do it now, but that scene with the Millenium Falcon doing the loop grabbed my attention.
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November 29, 2014 5:37pm
mikenmild

I remember the very exciting music video for the theme music came out months before we could see the movie.
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November 29, 2014 5:46pm
Johnboy

That huge starship cruising out of the bottom of the screen at the old Embassy did it for me! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 5:55pm
Johnboy

“In a Galaxy far far away……..” 🙂
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November 29, 2014 5:57pm
Johnboy

Here it is!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKRIUiyF0N4
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November 29, 2014 6:00pm
Johnboy

Fuck I’m reliving the past! 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn-Ox1XawI
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November 29, 2014 6:08pm
Johnboy

Note Darth Vader’s exaggerated German helmet! 🙂

Christ it was shit and it’s only got worse! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 6:12pm
Johnboy

Wank on Starwars tossers! 🙂
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November 29, 2014 6:14pm
cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z791DOehhnM
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November 29, 2014 6:18pm
cha

Meanwhile, some Tunisian mob is trying to preserve Annakin Skywalker’s boyhood home for posterity.

http://savemosespa.org/blog/
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November 29, 2014 7:01pm
ben

Wow this is a seriously negative comments thread. I thought the glimpses in the preview were fantastic. A few takeaways for me were a return to the mechanical, used universe look that disappeared in the awful awful blue screen based prequels. A few tweaks to reflect 30 years of new technology eg stormtrooper helmets. Having the Millenium Falcon in there at all is significant given the time thats passed. The little sequence with the falcon suggests adherence to physical laws etc as in the Star Trek reboot, which is satisfying to me.

I think Abrams did a wonderful job on the Star Trek reboot. The 2009 movie was so fun.

So Im an optimist about this. Come on 2015.
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