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Pete George

From the Christchurch Press Editorial: Stamping out online ugliness:

The internet has been responsible for many good things, as a Google executive has observed, but the dark and horrible practice of “trolling” – spreading abusive and offensive comments – and similar such activities is not one of them. In the past, nasty and ugly remarks made by people generally did not go much beyond those they were in close touch with. It was limited by the size of social circles and naturally limited from spreading further by the general reluctance of people in civilised company to pass on wounding stuff said about others.

Now, thanks to the internet, such stuff can go at practically the speed of light all over the world, and where formerly only a few would know of a hurtful comment, now thousands can learn of it in an instant. Once on the internet, it also tends to endure. Large outfits like Facebook and Google may remove it and links to it, but such efforts are rarely entirely successful. And not only is there no shortage of people prepared to create obnoxious stuff, there also seems to be no shortage of those who will slaver over it and even worse commend it, add to it and pass it on.

Those who engage in trolling may, of course, be deeply troubled themselves as was illustrated by a tragic example in England last week when a middle-aged woman was identified as one who had engaged with many others in a what has been called a “vile” campaign of abuse against Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of the five-year-old who disappeared while on a family holiday in Portugal seven years ago. When asked why she did it, the woman said she felt “entitled” to. A few days later, however, she was found dead, an apparent suicide.

The creation and spreading of this kind of stuff is largely enabled because of the anonymity of the internet. Many people engage in it because they know they will never have to face their victims and are confident they will not have to answer for what they have done. Many of them may also not be aware of the full effects they will have on their victims. Putting it at its most charitable, these people may not realise that the words they heedlessly tap out in isolation at a keyboard can have far-reaching and shattering consequences.

Regulations and laws have been put in place to try to control the worst of this material and they have been effective up to a point. But laws and regulations, though they may deter some people, generally operate after the event, by which time damage may have been done.

The best deterrent may be to try to bring home to internet users the fact that obnoxious behaviour is obnoxious wherever it occurs. There needs to be the cultivation of a greater awareness, possibly starting with young people who seem most likely to engage in ungoverned behaviour, that if it is not acceptable to say or do something directly to others, it is just as unacceptable to do or say it online.

It’s up to participants on blogs and other social media to confront and speak up against abuse and bullying online.

Blogs are communities, albeit with anonymous input. The quality of any community requires good people to stand up against the worst of human behaviour.
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October 9, 2014 8:03am
oldpark

Noticed the Labour Party Television Channel TVNZ are still sulking, over the massive defeat their political staff were handed out when National swept back into power.Their news cue reader Dellow and Corrin Dann did their pro Labour/Green propaganda night after night,way beyond the so called truth/lies in the news.Yesterday the new National Government was sworn in, to run the country for the next three years.No surprise, that channel have not gotten over the beating they got.They didn’t even cover the NEW GOVERNMENT SWEARING IN.Makes one wonder, who are the type of employees, who directed that the swearing in, was not to be covered.What they may have missed, our esteemed Governor General was also in attendance.
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October 9, 2014 8:13am
Yvette

Dotcom email is a fake – Warner Bros
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11324988

This news item discusses the email that was to be pivotable to Dotcom’s Big Reveal MOMENT OF TRUTH proposed to show Prime Minister Key to be a liar and conspirator arranging for Dotcom to be trapped into New Zealand residency because extradition from here would be easier for the Americans than to take Dotcom from Hong Kong.

The email, said to be a fake, was not used by Dotcom in the Big Reveal MOMENT OF TRUTH, after legal advice, but was printed in the Herald, and supposedly remains a forged document intended to sway voters in the last Election.

Why is there no apparent police action on this.
Has no one made a complaint.
Or do “They” not want anything that might slow or divert Dotcom’s extradition.
Would it pay therefore to Dotcom to lodge a complaint against himself ? 🙂

But seriously, what would you have to do in New Zealand to be charged with Electoral fraud, if not forge an email like the one referred to here?

And it would have of course been nice for this indiscretion of Dotcom’s – this fraudulent attempt to topple a Prime Minister and bring down a Government five days from an Election – to be better legally documented as it may now slightly alter a judge’s opinion, that Dotcom and his ex-wife Mona were better witnesses in court than John Banks and his wife.
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October 9, 2014 8:30am
duggledog

Hey did anyone do the fffftthhhhhh sound (that’s a fart by the way) to Sir Cullen’s Sidekick for his many posts declaring there would be a Labour / Greens government installed by now?

If not, here goes Sir Cullen: FFFFTTHHHHH!

Have a great day all
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October 9, 2014 8:31am
hj

Good that at last the Government has got to the root cause of high house prices (poverty): town planning

Property researcher Hugh Pavletich has good reason to feel pleased with his lobbying of political and industry players about housing affordability.
Only four years after his first annual Demographia survey many of the basic premises have now become an accepted part of the lexicon used by political leaders, property players and researchers.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20225&cid=16&cname=Property
Well done The Boys!
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October 9, 2014 8:32am
stephieboy

Alas the Lunar eclipse was obscured by cloud in Auckland last night. The next one 2018 so keep my fingers crossed .

Now who was in more recent times posting on KB this absolute nonsense. ? ,

http://www.endtime.com/four-blood-moons/
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October 9, 2014 8:35am
Andrei

Tuesday`October the 7th 2014, Grozny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6pNNzht1c
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October 9, 2014 8:38am
hj

Good that at last the Government has got to the root cause of high house prices (poverty): town planning
Forgot to add sarcasm warning.
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October 9, 2014 8:38am
hj

Dominic Stevens of Westpac is unconcerned about Auckland’s under performing economy: it will (in fact ) pick up when services kick in.
He is unconcerned by bullshit. Gets paid a bomb to shill the banks interests.
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October 9, 2014 8:41am
Yvette

Nicky Hager says the police referred to him as a “witness”
Why not “reciever of stolen goods” or “accessory after the fact”?
And now that Hager’s home has been searched for evidence, which Hager weeks earlier on in news reports indicated would be a memory stick, which he claims he returned to the hacker specifically so that he, Hager, wouldn’t have it in his possession when police came looking – so why is Hager not charged with hindering police investigations or premeditated action to pervert the course of justice?

Evidence that DIRTY POLITICS may not be a literary investigative journalistic giant [deserving source protection] might be indicated by Victoria University Press proposing Danyl McLauchlan write a book, one of the aims being to get comments from the people written about in Hager’s book who didn’t get a right of reply there. But what are the other aims?

Total raised so far $ 34,031.71 NZD, as at 8.45am, on the “givealittle” legal fund for Nicky Hager
https://www.givealittle.co.nz/cause/NickyHager
Any money over and above what is needed for legal costs will go to help Nicky continue his work, despite his having “beneficial interest in millions of dollars of real estate” and an estimated “$500,000 made from the cut/paste and misalignment and embellishment of stolen emails”

Andrew Pirie, a trustee of “givealittle” says “Putting aside the debates about Nicky Hager’s book, there is nothing illegal in people donating money to a legal fund.”
Isn’t such a fund extra income occasioned by his criminal use of stolen documents?
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October 9, 2014 8:46am
stephieboy

Andrei,

Give us some background of Life News the source of your link,

http://lifenews.ru/

Kremlin controlled .??
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October 9, 2014 8:46am
stigie

$34000 has been raised to date for the Nicky Hager legal defence…

This is a bloody disgrace, this is a man with a huge sense of entitlement !~
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October 9, 2014 8:48am
hj

Pete George (23,508 comments) says:
There was a time when the only way to criticise was Letters to The Editor and like National Radio they could pick some of the worst ones to read out.
Now they feel undermined.
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October 9, 2014 8:50am
stephieboy

Thanks congressional Tea Party and other Republicans ,and their local cheer club at KB . Health Budget Cuts make it much harder for the US fight the Ebola Virus both locally and internationally.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/02/1333640/-Stupid-budget-cuts-made-it-harder-to-prevent-Ebola-outbreak#

I hope that point is not lost on the voters at mid term congressional elections .
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October 9, 2014 8:55am
IGM

So lefties want to bring in more Muslims . . . no way, only if they renounce their vile religion and customs, assimilating with our cultures and standards. Current examples want their own way of life forced upon us, adoption of their customs and culture, plus take everything they can get, then want more. We have given it a go, it has not worked, and we don’t want or need any more. Maybe the left are looking for a new voting base . . . they may need it!
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October 9, 2014 8:59am
IGM

stigie: And the weasel faced bastard wants taxpayers to fund his protection . . . he is a leech of the highest order.
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October 9, 2014 9:01am
Shawn Herles

The daily kos? Seriously Stephie?

I doubt the mid term elections will be swayed by the DK’s far left spin.
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October 9, 2014 9:02am
Andrei

Andrei,

Give us some background of Life News the source of your link

It is owned by this man Stephieboy.

Who owns the BBC again?

Oh that’s right it is the British Government.
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October 9, 2014 9:13am
iMP

Some American evangelicals are getting a bit excited about the lunar tetrads (of last night) ie Blood Red Moons. But Texas tub-thumper pastor John Hagee is wrong!

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/that-blood-red-moon-part-2-refuting-john-hagee/
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October 9, 2014 9:23am
Manolo

The rise of China: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-overtakes-us-as-worlds-largest-economy-2014-10
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October 9, 2014 9:27am
stephieboy

Andre, your said gentleman is not only not adverse at broadcasting or posting fake news but his News Media is also intensely pro Kremlin and Putin,

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/25/russia-vinokurov-fake-news/
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October 9, 2014 9:31am
Ross12

Yvette

” Nicky Hager says the police referred to him as a “witness” ”

I know the Police would not say anything ( nor should they) but it would be interesting to know if this is true. I suspect it is not and Hager is just pushing the “victim” bit.
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October 9, 2014 9:40am
Manolo

A devastating blow for stephieboy, cheerleader number one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/us/politics/in-this-election-obamas-party-benches-him.html?_r=0

But for now Obama has been reduced to something else: an isolated political figure who is viewed as a liability to Democrats in the very states where voters by the thousands had once stood to cheer him.
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October 9, 2014 9:41am
Harriet

Hellary is gone Manolo.

Chelsea hasn’t handed her kid over to the village. The Republicans will keep reminding the voters of that everytime Hellary raises wimmin issues.
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October 9, 2014 9:44am
Andrei

um Stephieboy do you think we are stupid or something?

Your link has a piece about a tweet from Aleksandr Vinokurov who is not the same person as Aram Gabrelyanov nor in the same league actually
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October 9, 2014 9:50am
Longknives

Jesus I’ve just been reading the threads on Terrorism and the Islamic Threat over at the Standard.
Apparently there is absolutely NO threat of Terrorism in NZ or Australia and it’s a all just a huge conspiracy to discredit our ‘Peace-Loving’ Muslim friends…
My God! These people would have cheered for Hitler…
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October 9, 2014 9:53am
wikiriwhis business

White House Reporter After Ebola Press Conference: “We’re Screwed”

Paul Joseph Watson | Hot mic catches journalists making candid comments.

http://www.infowars.com/white-house-reporter-after-ebola-press-conference-were-screwed/
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October 9, 2014 9:55am
wikiriwhis business

Well, well, well…..

Bill English has admitted the govt’s policies have been wrong for low wage and low decile peoples.

Actually not a good sign. When the state admits its wrong it means something big is going to happen.

We are going to go through something so irretrievable that what ever happened before will be forgotten.

Remember. J Key stated something big is going to happen to NZ. It ain’t gonna be good.
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October 9, 2014 9:58am
Harriet

Amnesty on Ebola.

It ain’t no wonder that Hellary is distancing herself from America’s biggest loser.
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October 9, 2014 9:58am
Other_Andy

Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta attacks Obama

Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has lobbed a series of damning accusations against his old boss, President Barack Obama.
In his new book, Panetta says that Benghazi was always an obvious terrorist attack. He says that Obama approaches the world like a law professor, meaning that he does not usually see reality if it does not comport with his preconceived notions. Panetta writes that Obama’s decisions on Syria and Iraq have paved the way for the rise of of the Islamic State. Panetta writes that Obama has given up on the job, rather than continue to try working with Republicans in Congress.

Burton, the administration spokesman and Obama loyalist, responds to serious charges by attacking Panetta, calling him “sad” and “dishonorable”.

Don’t refute the charges just resort to ad homonyms.
Come to think of it, that is the modus operandi of the ‘Democrats’ and Obama on most issues.
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October 9, 2014 9:59am
Manolo

The sincere, modest, and humble Messiah:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2785161/Obama-slams-GOP-party-billionaires-attends-32k-head-fundraiser-hosted-billionaire-property-tycoon-named-Rich-Richman.html

President Barack Obama chided the Republican Party for catering to the ‘interests of billionaires’ in an email to supporters on Tuesday, then attended a series of high-dollar fundraisers, including one at real estate mogul Rich Richman’s house.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee fundraiser at Richman’s house in Greenwich, Connecticut, cost as much as $32,400 a person, according to the White House.
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October 9, 2014 10:01am
Harriet

“….Bill English has admitted the govt’s policies have been wrong for low wage and low decile peoples…..”

English is full of it.

There is no such thing as ‘low wages’ if you are getting all the hours you want!
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October 9, 2014 10:01am
stephieboy

Andrei, the point is that both are in a similar league unquestionably pro Kremlin and Putin.

Aram Gabrelyanov Russia’s answer to Rupert Murdoch,

http://www.rferl.org/content/Russias_Tabloid_King_Builds_An_Empire/1884265.html
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October 9, 2014 10:02am
waikatogirl

Crimdotcon appealing the court decision that he has to disclose his finances to Hollywood entertainment industry.
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October 9, 2014 10:03am
Gulag1917

CDC Forced to Admit that Ebola Might Be Spread to Healthcare Workers through Coughing and Sneezing
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/cdc-forced-admit-ebola-might-spread-even-symptoms-coughing-sneezing.html
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October 9, 2014 10:03am
Manolo

Even the hopeless Jimmy Carter blames him: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/jimmy-carter-barack-obama-isil-111692.html
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October 9, 2014 10:12am
stephieboy

Other Andy,the full story on Leon Panetta’s interview and the segment that Fox deliberately snipped from it about Benghazi,

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/08/fox-news-deceptively-clips-obama-to-claim-panet/201067

As you will now doubt be fully aware both bit partisan Senate and House committee have found no wrong doing by the Obama administration over Benghazi.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/05/fox-news-quiet-after-congressional-report-finds/200318

The alleged cover up/ conspiracy is patently false but that will not stop the deluded at Fox and Trey Gowdy etc thinking other wise .

And whatever happened to yet another” Partisan “Select committee on Benghazi led by Gowdy,,

http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/08/whatever-happened-to-the-benghazi-select-committee/375748/
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October 9, 2014 10:27am
wat dabney

“Bill English has admitted the govt’s policies have been wrong for low wage and low decile peoples”

Not so much ‘admitted’ as ‘strongly asserted.’

The RMA is a leftist fascist instrument which strips people of many of their property rights and puts power in the hands of uncaring and useless state bureaucracies, such as the notorious Auckland Council.

This is why house prices are so high in Auckland (we can safely ignore hj’s repeated nonsense about it all being due to a political conspiracy to protect existing property owners.)

It will again be the fascist left which tries to retain the RMA and to continue to impoverish the lower paid. Witness Greenpeace’s failed and dishonest effort to attract signatories for its evil “Save the RMA” campaign.

http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/take-action/Take-action-online/Save-the-RMA/
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October 9, 2014 10:38am
Odakyu-sen

In its day, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was a left-wing, Big-Government, uber-controlling party with secret police. So was the Soviet system of the 1930s and 40s. And they loathed each other with a special kind of fratricidal hatred.

Let’s fast-forward the video to the present day. On one hand, you have the so-called “Left” with their love of Big Government, codified behavioral norms, and punishment for dissenters. Then you have the “Muslims,” also with their love of their over-controlling religion and penchant for extreme punishment for dissenters. These two are similar in their love of top-down control and their willingness to suppress the individual.

If the past is anything to go by, then like the Nazis and Soviets of old, the Left and Islam will eventually come to blows. But for now, echoing the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, the Left pretends to be the friend of Islam. Kind of ironic that Islam will be the first to put the Left to the wall when the revolution comes.

Don’t these guys ever read history or study human nature?
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October 9, 2014 10:44am
J Bloggs

Yvette: It may just be that Hager is not being charged as yet as a result of the process. IANAL, but it would seem to me that before you can charge someone with being an accessory to a crime, the police must first establish that a crime, in fact, has been committed. Once that is done, THEN Hager can be charged as an accessory.

Lets wait and let due process unfold, then see what happens.
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October 9, 2014 10:48am
Other_Andy

stephieboy says October 9th, 2014

Other Andy, the full story on Leon Panetta’s interview and the segment that Fox deliberately snipped from it about Benghazi,
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/08/fox-news-deceptively-clips-obama-to-claim-panet/201067

First of all, don’t read Media matters, most of it is cr@p like all the other sites, Salon. Huff and Daily Kos, you like to quote from. Secondly, what Fox interview? This is the left wing MSNBC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5_XWOKf3NA
But I suppose in your conspiracy minded view, the interview on MSNBC on October 7 where he said that he knew the Benghazi attack was a “terrorist attack” right away must also be ‘doctored’?
You have a common affliction shared amongst most lefties, psychological projection.
Just because a lot of lefties are misogynistic, violent, race baiting cheats………

“As you will now doubt be fully aware both bit partisan Senate and House committee have found no wrong doing by the Obama administration over Benghazi.”

Oh yes, everything is settled with you guys as soon as you have the desired political answer.
However, congress is still seeking documents from the incompetent lying Obama administration, related to the attack.
We’ll wait what the Select Committee on Benghazi, which is ongoing, will uncover.
Having Leon Panetta’s statement won’t make things as easy for Clinton as she would have hoped.
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October 9, 2014 11:03am
Fletch

Alas the Lunar eclipse was obscured by cloud in Auckland last night. The next one 2018 so keep my fingers crossed .

stephieboy, the next blood moon is actually in April next year, followed by another in September. It’s part of the so-called Blood Moon Tetrad.

It will be the second in a sequence of four — called a tetrad — that are occurring in roughly six-month intervals. The next one will appear on April 4, 2015, and the last one on September 28, 2015.

Now, I’m not putting any stock in the significance (or not) of the sequence, but according to some, significant events regarding Israel have happened in the past around the times of the sequence. One happened between 1949 – 1950 when the Jews created their own state, were attacked, and won. Another happened in 1967-1968 during the Six Day War.

Again, you can subscribe some significance to it or not (I’m not convinced either way).

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/03/tech/innovation/second-blood-moon/index.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/15/are-blood-moons-a-biblical-sign-from-god-that-something-earth-shattering-is-about-to-happen/
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October 9, 2014 11:03am
Fletch

@Oldpark 8:13am –

Yes, and that same TV station is allocating a lot of time to the Labour leadership speculation, and what is happening with each of the aspirants to the leadership etc..
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October 9, 2014 11:07am
James Stephenson

If not, here goes Sir Cullen: FFFFTTHHHHH!

Erm duggle, you do know what parody is, don’t you?
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October 9, 2014 11:08am
IGM

What is it costing NZ taxpayers for Slobcrim’s continual court appearances attempting to face charges for which he is guilty in US? Get this obese piece of s..t out of our country, out of our courts, and out of our lives NOW! If one wants to take a court action for civil matters it costs a bloody fortune, yet this criminal creep comes and goes at will, attempting to defeat the course justice.
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October 9, 2014 11:12am
Jack5

Ngai Tahu has doubled its annual profit to more than $160 million, hand troup equity to about $1 billion, and is looking to invest another $100 million in business. The tribe’s reduced (to 5.5 per cent) stake in retirement-village operator Ryman Healthcare alone is worth almost as much as its two treaty pay-outs.

Close to $50 million of the annual profit will be because the tribe as a group-registered charity operates tax free. Like the Seventh Day Adventists’ Sanitarium Corporation, the tribes’ businesses, under the group charity umbrella, operate free of company tax.

The tribe’s success in quadrupling its assets given by the State has been strongly helped by its being exempt from company tax. It’s surprising business competitors aren’t vocal about this. Ngai Tahu is active in property, tourism, fishing, transport, and general investing.

Ngai Tahu 18 years ago received $170 million in its main treaty settlement. During the financial year it received a $68.5 million top-up because total treaty settlements for all tribes and hapu topped $1 billion. Ngai Tahu’s deal was negotiated by its then chief lawyer (and now Minister of Treaty Negotiations) Chris Finlayson. As Minister he probably got to sign the top-up he negotiated.

Ngai Tahu by now seeking more investment opportunities, and not needing tax imputation credits on company dividends because it’s tax free, could take some positions less attractive to other investors. For example, it is in a good position to invest in growth companies where dividend flow is likely to be low and imputation credits perhaps non-existent.

It’s interesting that of the three main media reports of the tribe’s annual result (Fairfax yesterday and the Hooerald yesterday with a follow-up piece todayonly the Fairfax reported noted Ngai Tahu’s tax-free advantage.

The Hooerald profit report yesterday, which was from the Businessdesk agency did, however, mention the tribe’s $68.5 million Treaty of Waitangi top-up.

Today’s Hooerald report on the tribe’s investing:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11339416
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October 9, 2014 11:15am
Manolo

The uncharismatic Little joins the fray:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11339814

Andrew Little will go up against David Cunliffe and Grant Robertson to contest Labour’s leadership. Mr Little confirmed he would stand this morning after signalling he was thinking about it over the weekend.

In a statement he said his background as the head of the EPMU and former Labour Party president showed he had the required skills to drive through change and lift performance.
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October 9, 2014 11:37am
Milburn35

Andrew Little has just confirmed that he will stand for the Labour Party leadership. Here is a man who couldn’t win an electoral seat, was lucky to still be on the Labour Party list and has a militant union background. How on earth does these qualifications make him a potential leader of our Country. However it will split DC’s vote, something he would not like. Bring it on.
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October 9, 2014 11:39am
Manolo

@Millburn: Little not only splits DC’s vote, but makes it completely unviable.
I expect DC to withdraw, resign from Parliament and force a by-election in New Lynn. It appears inevitable.
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October 9, 2014 11:44am
doggone7

Milburn35: “Andrew Little has just confirmed that he will stand for the Labour Party leadership. Here is a man who couldn’t win an electoral seat, …”

The impertinence. Who the hell does he think he is? Steven Joyce?
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October 9, 2014 11:47am
waikatogirl

Crimdotcon:
Hollywood are after him for $100,000,000 + court costs. Well, of course he would appeal !

What is the hold-up for his extradition? If, as he says,he is innocent, why is he not already defending himself in the USA.
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October 9, 2014 12:11pm
waikatogirl

Just heard Radio Live news report on Andrew Little. Was a bit taken back when said reporter questioned whether Little would make a good PRIME Minister? Hang on, he has barely named himself as a candidate for Liaboor’s leader…

Wishful thinking of the left?
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October 9, 2014 12:24pm
ross411

Yvette (2,793 comments) says:
October 9th, 2014 at 8:46 am
Nicky Hager says the police referred to him as a “witness”
Why not “reciever of stolen goods” or “accessory after the fact”?
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Total raised so far $ 34,031.71 NZD, as at 8.45am, on the “givealittle” legal fund for Nicky Hager
https://www.givealittle.co.nz/cause/NickyHager
Any money over and above what is needed for legal costs will go to help Nicky continue his work, despite his having “beneficial interest in millions of dollars of real estate” and an estimated “$500,000 made from the cut/paste and misalignment and embellishment of stolen emails”

Good on you Yvette, keep up the good work.

When Dirty Politics received so much attention from the media, who had one of their own stolen from, you would think their slant would be to cover their own arses, rather than legitimise the theft. Instead, now if it happens to them, whomever does it can use the wealth of their abuse of the vapid book as justification for them being okay with it.

Why aren’t these left wing actions being investigated?

The Matt McCarten theft [Theft of Unite PAYE funds from IRD and taxpayer → Donated to Labour Party → McCarten becomes head of staff for Labour party] is another one.
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October 9, 2014 12:31pm
ross411

Longknives (4,712 comments) says:
October 9th, 2014 at 9:53 am
Jesus I’ve just been reading the threads on Terrorism and the Islamic Threat over at the Standard.
Apparently there is absolutely NO threat of Terrorism in NZ or Australia and it’s a all just a huge conspiracy to discredit our ‘Peace-Loving’ Muslim friends…
My God! These people would have cheered for Hitler…

Hitler cared about the poor, you see. John Key, however does not. He wants children to die in cold damp houses with no insulation, because he’s.. I don’t know, I forget if it goes further than that. 😆
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October 9, 2014 12:48pm
ross411

waikatogirl (340 comments) says:
October 9th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Crimdotcon:
Hollywood are after him for $100,000,000 + court costs. Well, of course he would appeal !

What is the hold-up for his extradition? If, as he says,he is innocent, why is he not already defending himself in the USA.

I think this is a hollow argument. No-one in their right mind would go over to the USA and face trial, for this type of charge. And for all Kim’s faults, he’s not that crazy.
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October 9, 2014 12:51pm
stephieboy

Other Andy,

Please do be more careful and read my link where it . among many things , states ,

Fox News Deceptively Clips Obama To Claim Panetta Interview Revealed Benghazi Deception

“Fox News used doctored video of an interview with President Obama to claim his description of briefings he received on the night of the Benghazi attack contrasts with former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s. In reality, their accounts are consistent….. ”

This is not the only time nor will the last time that Fox News has engaged in this kind of deception,

Example.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/02/fox-news-20-trillion-deception/191094

Media Matters might be partisan and biased in factor of Obama and the Liberal cause but no more or less than Fox News that your fond of quoting. There is no need to resort to disguised expletives and it is my belief that Salon, Media matters etc have attempted to try and be as objective and fair as is possible on media matters.

I await with interest the antics of Trey Cowdry and coy with his obviously biased and partisan inquiry , which is obviously timed for the the lead up to the 2016 Presidentials.
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October 9, 2014 12:54pm
Fletch

Jesus I’ve just been reading the threads on Terrorism and the Islamic Threat over at the Standard.
Apparently there is absolutely NO threat of Terrorism in NZ or Australia and it’s a all just a huge conspiracy to discredit our ‘Peace-Loving’ Muslim friends…
My God! These people would have cheered for Hitler…

Longknives, I get the feeling that these people would still be defending Islam even if they were up against the wall with a curved schimitar at their throat – “no, you don’t REALLY mean to kill me. Islam means Peace!” Liberals have a track record of not learning anything from history.
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October 9, 2014 12:58pm
wikiriwhis business

Lord James of Blackheath 15 Trillion Dollar Fraud Exposed in UK Parliment Implicates Federal Reserve

He implicates the US Federal Reserve in this fraud. These criminals need to be brought to justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8Ml55JCxE
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October 9, 2014 1:09pm
wikiriwhis business

Winston Peters is offering to arrange a meeting between Finance Minister Bill English and people who live in poverty.

The NZ First leader says Mr English’s comments about the lack of cheap housing being a main driver of poverty shows just how out of touch he is.

“Kiwis living in poverty are a million miles away from anyone who is hoping to build a home,” he said.

“They’re struggling to get food on the table, not wondering how much they can put aside for a deposit.”

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/bill-english-out-of-touch-on-poverty–peters-2014100905#ixzz3FbS26RFx
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October 9, 2014 1:28pm
Fletch

Country singers Larry Gatlin and Billy Dean were so “pissed off” about these Islamic followers cutting people’s heads off, that they came up with a song – “An American With a Remington”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-ynvq_BU7w

Here’s a better version (if you can watch American stuff)

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3827455848001/country-music-singers-take-on-terrorists/#sp=show-clips
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October 9, 2014 1:29pm
Manolo

We need to ask Don Borrie, president for life of that joke, the NZ-DPRK Friendship Society:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/kim-jong-un-may-be-under-house-arrest/ar-BB8cIFV
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October 9, 2014 1:31pm
wikiriwhis business

Sarah explains to Bryan Bruce how it is difficult to get by these days on a policeman’s salary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rse5mHbvKyY&feature=youtu.be
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October 9, 2014 1:40pm
Jack5

Correction for typos in my 11.15 post:

The introduction should read:

Ngai Tahu has doubled its annual profit to more than $160 million, and quadrupled equity to about $1 billion…

Sorry about that.
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October 9, 2014 1:57pm
stephieboy

Fletch, no threat from ISIS. ? Well those posting on the Standard are not alone. Tea Party founder and patron Ron Paul agrees with them,

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/august/31/obama-has-no-middle-east-strategy-good!.aspx

And there are isolationist Tea Party Republicans in Congress who would agree.
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October 9, 2014 2:16pm
wat dabney

“If, as he says,he is innocent, why is he not already defending himself in the USA.”

Given the deplorable, broken justice system over there even innocents have every justification in avoiding it at all costs.

Which is not to say the Dotcom is innocent, merely that the US justice system is a disgrace.
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October 9, 2014 4:29pm
wat dabney

“Kiwis living in poverty are a million miles away from anyone who is hoping to build a home,” he said.
“They’re struggling to get food on the table, not wondering how much they can put aside for a deposit.”

Winston doesn’t understand that such people are most affected by high housing costs then.
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October 9, 2014 4:36pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie,

There are also Tea party people who are not isolationists and support a strong national defense, and there are Democrats who are just as isolationist, if not more, than any Tea Party person.

In fact the Left overall has been far worse than the Right on that issue. Many on the Democratic Left think the terrorism threat is a fraud.

And Ron Paul was not the founder of the Tea Party.
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October 9, 2014 4:46pm
Milburn35

Honi has lost 2 votes in the recount and Davis has picked up another 2. Oh dear. The cost of the recount has been estimated at $30,000. Honi or his Party had to pay a $1,000 deposit and this should be forfeited along with a demand that the other $29,000 be paid by Internet Mana. Honi should go cap in hand to Dot.com and ask him to pay any money that could be owing. Dot.com would probably tell him to get stuffed as it was Honi who failed to get Dotcom’s henchwoman and henchman into Parliament.
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October 9, 2014 5:24pm
Peter

Anyone else feel the moderation over on WO has gotten ridiculous? Even mild, inoffensive attempts at humour, which have community upvote, can get removed at the whim of over-zealous moderators.

Shark. Jumped.

Farrars moderation model works well. The model used by WO and The Standard, less so.
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October 9, 2014 5:42pm
Scott Chris

Extremists of the day:

Fruitarians

Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a plant: that is, foods that can be harvested without killing or harming the plant. These foods consist primarily of culinary fruits, nuts, and seeds. According to author Adam Gollner, some fruitarians eat only fallen fruit. Some do not eat grains, believing it is unnatural to do so, and some fruitarians feel that it is improper for humans to eat seeds as they contain future plants, or nuts and seeds, or any foods besides juicy fruits. Others believe they should eat only plants that spread seeds when the plant is eaten.
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October 9, 2014 7:10pm
Pete George

David Fisher has a detailed update on the long running Blomfield versus Slater feud. There’s some disturbing stuff in that. What was the purpose of it all? Some sort of vindictive payback? Going gungho over the top and not being big enough to back down?

There’s a number of ironic similarities to the Hager/Rawshark versus Slater issue with Slater at the opposite side of proceedings, especially as both Slater and Hager claim to be protected as journalists while using allegedly illegally obtained communications data.

Ex-pizza boss Matt Blomfield: Whaleoil and me
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October 9, 2014 7:26pm
nasska

….”some fruitarians feel that it is improper for humans to eat seeds as they contain future plants, or nuts and seeds, or any foods besides juicy fruits”…..

They’d be pretty skinny looking buggers if they lived down our way. 🙂
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October 9, 2014 7:33pm
Pete George

And Blomfield has questioned the police over a two year old case against Slater while Slater’s case against Rawshark seems on a relative fast track.

Police are reviewing a two-year-old criminal complaint against Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater over material he used on his website.

The review is studying how Slater obtained a vast quantity of private emails which were used as the basis of posts on his blog.

It comes as police investigate a complaint from Slater over the hacking of his computer. Detectives investigating Slater’s complaint this week executed a search warrant on the home of author Nicky Hager, who used material obtained by the hacker known as Rawshark to write Dirty Politics.

The police review stems from a complaint laid in May 2012 by businessman Matt Blomfield, who has taken a defamation case against Slater over articles on the Whaleoil blog.

– Police review complaint against Whaleoil blogger

Slater has legal action swirling all around him. It’s not surprising to see some of his excesses finally catching up on him.
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October 9, 2014 7:37pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gu3ncntvmgs7ou8/Education.jpg?dl=0
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October 9, 2014 7:42pm
Reid

Farrars moderation model works well.

DPF’s moderation model hasn’t started yet, Peter. If I were you I’d reserve judgement until it’s been running for awhile.

David Fisher has a detailed update on the long running Blomfield versus Slater feud.

This isn’t really surprising is it Pete given that Whale had a “David “Tainted” Fisher” post running in his Must Read section for the last month or so.

Given Fisher is one of the people Whale accuses of being involved in the Dirty Politics meme, it’s not really surprising The Herald is allowing him to run a hit piece on Slater in preparation no doubt for the allegations Whale’s about to drop.

It’s not rocket science Pete.

Once again however, you seem to understand nothing of what’s really going on, behind the words you read on the screen.
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October 9, 2014 7:49pm
Pete George

Reid – you could be correct that I don’t understand what’s really going on behind the words you write on the screen.

I’m well aware of Slater versus Fisher As well as Slater versus Blomfield aand Slater versus Hager/Rawshark and Slater versus Dotcom – with a journalist in common. And I suspect the journalist has much more on his side than the bully boy blogger.

If you wrestle in mud too much there’s a good chance things will get too slimy to climb out clean.

Roosters coming home to be plucked.
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October 9, 2014 8:02pm
Andrei

Well given that the four horsemen are on the march and that the leadership of the United States with the biggest military machine the world has ever seen has gone insane the banal antics of those on the periphery of politics in a colony at the arse end of the world don’t seem to matter much.
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October 9, 2014 8:06pm
Reid

Yes indeed they are Andrei. I don’t know about you but witnessing the last few decades I’ve got a much better appreciation of precisely how Hitler managed to turn the most cultured, most well educated and most civilised population in Europe into a pack of ruthless barbarians (with many exceptions but that’s how the inculcated view them so I use their language). It’s most illuminating, watching people being played like violins while at one and the same time they don’t even hear the music.
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October 9, 2014 8:28pm
nasska

Two hunters went deer stalking during the roar every year without success. Finally, they came up with a foolproof plan. They got a very authentic female deer costume and learned the mating call of a doe. The plan was to hide in the costume, lure the stag, then come out of the costume and shoot it.

They set themselves up on the edge of a clearing, donned their costume and started to call like a doe on heat. Before long their call was answered as a stag came crashing out of the forest and into the clearing. When the stag was close enough, the guy in front said “Okay, let’s get out and get him”.

After a moment that seemed like an eternity, the guy in the back shouted “The zipper’s stuck! What are we going to do?” The guy in the front said “Well, I’m going to start nibbling grass, but you’d better brace yourself”.
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October 9, 2014 8:33pm
cha

Fun with an MRI scanner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg
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October 9, 2014 8:38pm
Peter

DPF’s moderation model hasn’t started yet, Peter. If I were you I’d reserve judgement until it’s been running for awhile.

Whatever DPF runs now is a good balance.

WO serves as a warning….don’t do what’s been done there. It’s becoming as humourless and dreary as The Standard due to poor moderation.
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October 9, 2014 9:08pm
Reid

Whatever DPF runs now is a good balance.

Yes Peter. But what you don’t appear to know is that it’s about to change. The moderation DPF runs now is the same as it has always been.

But it’s not going to remain that way for much longer.

Right now, he’s given people a chance to clean up their act, and some people have and some people have left and some people didn’t need to in the first place.

And perhaps DPF will decide that’s enough. And perhaps he won’t.

Especially given the MSM spin on bloggers: e.g. per Fisher’s article on Whale which Pete, once again, completely missed and will continue to miss, the point of.
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October 9, 2014 9:27pm
Shawn Herles

“I don’t know about you but witnessing the last few decades I’ve got a much better appreciation of precisely how Hitler managed to turn the most cultured, most well educated and most civilised population in Europe into a pack of ruthless barbarians”

Largely by spouting much the same crap as you do. All that “Jews/Zionists are running the world and behind all evil” rubbish did turn people into barbarians.

” It’s most illuminating, watching people being played like violins while at one and the same time they don’t even hear the music.”

It certainly is. Watching people get played like violins by the Kremlin and the Ayatollahs of Iran is both illuminating and deeply disturbing.
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October 9, 2014 9:35pm
Reid

Largely by spouting much the same crap as you do. All that “Jews/Zionists are running the world and behind all evil” rubbish did turn people into barbarians.

Bit like the “Muslims are behind all evil” of today, isn’t it Shawn.

Isn’t that peculiar.

Must be a coincidence, right Shawn?
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October 9, 2014 9:45pm
Andrei

LOL Shawn you are being played by the Satanic people who run the West – you are typical of the indolent thinkers in the English speaking world, monolingual and incapable of realizing just how little you actually know.

Its called hubris mate, you think everybody wants to be like “us”, as our society degenerates into hedonistic squalor.

How many languages can you speak or read?

Have you ever lived or even been anywhere where they don’t speak English?

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October 9, 2014 9:52pm
Nostalgia-NZ

When the dust settles, a sentence like ‘He’s making me go mental again.’ is a bit of a classic.
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October 9, 2014 9:52pm
Reid

Its called hubris mate

Shawn’s a yank Andrei. You need to use small words.

Still. He’s probably learning something new right now.

Even if his lips are moving.
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October 9, 2014 10:01pm
Manolo

The market swings: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102074048
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October 10, 2014 7:51am
Viking2

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=145985

Penny off to court.
Hope she wins given the poor, indeed lousy performance of Auckland City Council.

Watch the video.

Oh and here.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11340122
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October 10, 2014 7:52am
Peter

Yes Peter. But what you don’t appear to know is that it’s about to change. The moderation DPF runs now is the same as it has always been.

No. For some reason you’ve assumed it, Reid. DPF was calling for a debate on this a few weeks back.
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October 10, 2014 9:58am
deadrightkev

Sarah and Ian should move to Australia.
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