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Pete George

Political junkie Geoffrey Miller details The Downfall of Kim Dotcom – How the Internet entrepreneur’s venture into New Zealand politics went off the rails.

Kim Dotcom’s foray into the tiny and normally rather placid world of New Zealand politics brought global interest to the South Pacific nation’s recent election – culminating with the involvement of other outside heavyweights, including NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. Ultimately the über-wealthy German immigrant went head to head with the country’s prime minister – and lost. Dotcom ended up failing spectacularly – describing himself as political “poison.” His Internet Mana alliance, personally bankrolled by Dotcom to the tune of nearly NZ$5 million ($3.9 million), failed to win a single seat in New Zealand’s 120-seat parliament in elections held on September 20.

He summarises:

In May, Kim Dotcom described his pet political party as his “gift to New Zealand.” On election night, he was forced to concede that his very brand had been toxic. For John Key, Dotcom turned out to be the gift that kept on giving. New Zealand voters’ loathing of Kim Dotcom and his tainting of the country’s left played no small part in delivering Key’s center-right National Party a landslide victory. After the election, a jubilant Key had only one piece of advice for the defeated Dotcom. “Go away.”

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/the-downfall-of-kim-dotcom/
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October 7, 2014 8:02am
IGM

Media lefties out in force trying to put spin on Hager. Well, don’t try it media, you are held in the same contempt as slimeball Hager, who is nothing but a greasy little left-wing piece of s..t.

[DPF: Warning, that goes too far.]
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October 7, 2014 8:04am
OneTrack

“gift to New Zealand.”

Thanks Kim

We now know exactly how craven our left wing political parties and media can be.
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October 7, 2014 8:11am
EAD

I for one am getting sick and tired of Politicians trying to fix entirely foreseeable problems that they caused in the first place with their out of control program of mass, unsuitable immigration that has been in place since 1999.

Today we see two stories that highlight this problem

1) The government is going to provide “more homes” to those that can’t afford their own http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10585930/Reshuffle-puts-extra-attention-on-housing
2) John Key is set to announce that New Zealand now faces “increasing threats of terror” http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10585922/Key-plans-major-speech-on-terror-threat

Here is a suggestion – if you want to make housing affordable again, if you want to reduce the risk of “terrorist attacks”, if you want to decrease “pressure on hospitals” of “congestion in Auckland”, then stop letting so many bl**dy people into the country unless they bring some kind of skill or benefit and can speak fluent English (ps: “diversity” is not a benefit).

Would our effete Politicians ever listen to such a sensible suggestion?

Not a million years as the people might then work out we really don’t need all these Politicians offering us “solutions” to the problems they cause.
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October 7, 2014 8:13am
Yvette

Hager
From an ebook copy of DIRTY POLITICS downloaded from the local Library (who would want to pay for this literary abortion/), there is this –

[c] Nicky Hager
eISBN 978 1 927213 36 0
This book is copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purposes of private study, research, criticism or review, as permitted under the Copyright Act, no part may be reproduced by any means without the permission of the publishers.

Is this not Nicky Hager and the publishers asserting ownership over material which is widely reported to be the stolen private property of Cameron Slater?
And through this misrepresentation of ownership are they, in making whatever money the book returns from sales, profiting from a criminal action?

A recent judgement determined “journalistic non-disclosure of sources” did not apply to an author of this type of book.
Hager should be required by a court order to reveal the source of the stolen electronic documents from which he, Hager, is profiting.
___________

Hager’s lawyer, Steven Price is thanked in the Acknowledgements of DIRTY POLITICS –

… and to the three friends who make up my perfect publishing team: lawyer Steven Price, editor Anna Rogers and publisher Robbie Burton …

So has lawyer Steven Price a “little conflict of interests” problem in acting for Hager?
Just wondering 🙂
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October 7, 2014 8:14am
oldpark

A tale of three women on Journalism.Heard Fran O ‘Sullivan world famous journalist, on Newstalk ZB Larry show,say Nicky Hager was not a “journalist”.Heard a would be could be person Called Rachel Smalley,from” heifer lardo fame” say Hager was an author and also a “journalist” and his stolen emails being published was” in the public interest”..Then heard a woman Susan Wood, Mike Hoskins fill in, say he was a “journalist”,she also embraced Hager and said there was a need in NZ for people like him.All three women are indirectly employed by APN, who own NZ Herald and Newstalk ZB.Herald was the catalyst for Hagers stolen emails by releasing them from time to time in their newspaper.Newstalk’s employees Smalley,Wood, are now in a clandestine way, once more supporting the theft of stolen emails ,by aiding and abetting Hagers right to publish ‘,in the public interest’.
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October 7, 2014 8:15am
duggledog

I reckon Hager won’t reveal his source because it’s him.
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October 7, 2014 8:19am
Pete George

The Standard has gone on a purge of opinions while resident abusers remain protected.

http://yournz.org/2014/10/07/left-troll-good-right-troll-bad/
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October 7, 2014 8:21am
oldpark

Now that we hear Smalley and Wood from Newstalk ZB say Hagers releasing the contents of stolen emails was “in the public interest'”,i am sure if six years of their personal emails get stolen, and their contents get published in a book,as well as daily newspapers,one excerpt was a very sad one, on the death of a persons mum.If the two mentioned Newstalk ZB Employees say stuff like that is” in the public interest”,must mean anything goes,and we now look forward to reading Wood.and Smalley’s stolen emails,if it should happen.The other side of the coin,Newstalk ZBs standards have plummeted, since Mr Francis the quality top man in that Radio Station retired.
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October 7, 2014 8:26am
Chris2

No-one had any sympathy for Brenda Leyland, the 63 year-old UK woman who posted countless vile message about Madeline McCann’s parents.

But news this morning that Leyland has committed suicide following her “outing” by UK Sky New, I wonder if the media will examine it’s own contribution to her death?

The media are good at holding everyone else to account, let’s see them put themselves under scrutiny.
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October 7, 2014 8:26am
EAD

@ Chris2

Good article by James Delingpole on the above subject:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/06/Silly-remarks-on-Twitter-should-not-be-punishable-by-prison-let-alone-by-death
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October 7, 2014 8:30am
duggledog

EAD

Governments are reactive not proactive. John Key assumed office six years ago, realised that kiwis love their socialism and has gone about providing exactly what they want which is why he has just acquired what amounts to a massive third term victory.

They want burgers & fries; he’ll get them their burgers and fries – but at a better price than Labour / Greens ever could.

Kiwis want their first world lifestyle without paying for it and without losing any of the benefits so all any government that wants to stay in power can do is increase immigration from third world countries like the Philippines. These folk will do the jobs like dairying and waiting on tables that kiwis will not do and never have done. Agglomeration grows the pie and hopefully that will sort it all out.

Kiwis will bitch and moan when their country has been invaded by people who look different and have different cultures in twenty years time – but its their own fault. Should have worked and been more thrifty and spent less time watching the ABs
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October 7, 2014 8:30am
David Garrett

Chris2: I wouldn’t celebrate the suicide of anyone…well, I’d make an exception for the entire population of D Block at Pare – but why should anonymous trolls posting the most awful stuff be allowed to continue doing it with impunity? Why shouldn’t they be outed?

I believe DPF’s new standards here include not posting stuff you wouldn’t say to a person’s face…This unpleasant woman certainly would never say what she did to the McCann’s face…it makes it all so much easier using your own name…among the advantages is the internal check that occurs just before you hit “submit comment”…
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October 7, 2014 8:34am
Harriet

“……In almost every profession – whether it’s law or journalism, finance or medicine or academia or running a small business – people rely on confidential communications to do their jobs. We count on the space of trust that confidentiality provides. When someone breaches that trust, we are all worse off for it…..” —- Hillary Clinton.

Things that make you go………Hmmmm. 😎
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October 7, 2014 8:40am
Michael

I don’t really know what the new standards for posting on kiwiblog are but I have noticed that since the ” Report abusive comment” section has been added the abusive comments are now few and far between. So far so good.
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October 7, 2014 8:44am
waikatogirl

Chris2
The death of Brenda Leyland
How is her committing suicide the media’s fault? Sure she was outed by the media, but she was responsible for a host of vile and vitriolic tweets to the McCann’s who are still mourning the loss of Madeline. It was sad old Brenda’s ‘trolling’. She was exposed for who she was… Committing suicide is sad but don’t blame anyone for exposing her bitterness on the world. If it hadn’t been the McCann’s, I suspect she would have directed her trolling at another victim.
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October 7, 2014 9:04am
Yvette

Hager’s credibility – A very small point: but in ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS in his book, DIRTY POLITICS, Hager is grateful to
“… the National Party staffer who first suggested I work on this subject …”

I thought in other statements, Hager claimed Rawshark hacked the material then approached Hager to find out what to do with it, and consequently, after lengthy negotiation, Hager selected the “best bits”.

But back to the acknowledged National Party staffer – un-named of course, so this aspect to Hager’s investigative journalism can not be checked – before you even get to a single detail of the body of the book itself, you can’t substantiate anything, like that the staffer even exists outside Hager’s imagination, that he or she isn’t invented as a justification, a National person so concerned by dirty dealings that they betray their Party for the greater good.
But accepting this person exists and insists Hager write about dirty dealings, what is any possible relationship between this person and Rawshark, and was their topic suggestion to Hager before or after the hacking?

And, in passing, if this book was in the “public interest”, wouldn’t have polls [to begin with] and then the actual Election have reflected some notable reaction to it?
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October 7, 2014 9:07am
kowtow

Last night on the news the PM was telling us in relation to the security changes that we’d be surprised at how many NZ residents intend to travel abroad for the purposes of terror.

I’m not surprised and I’m not surprised at how little interest our media seem to show in these announcements.

They go into hyperdrive pretending to hold the PM to account over security issues and then turn into mice over one of the prime causes of the security changes.

To tie in with EAD’s comments above ,if politicians are worried about these developments then it is their duty to do something about the causes. Stop Muslim immigration.Now.
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October 7, 2014 9:14am
niggly

Yvette, thanks for that, that’s interesting to know.

It also fits his narrative in past occasions:

– apparently he claimed one of his sources for Other People’s Wars was a military official who released top secret defence info to him (personally I find it hard to believe a member of the military would release confidential and top secret info to an anti-establishment conspiracy theorist).

– Ditto his Secret Power spy book (sources were the spooks themselves he said).

– and of course he claimed the source for Hollow Men was also a National Part staffer.

While Hager may well be right (only he would know), I just find it all too incredulous to believe!
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October 7, 2014 9:15am
kowtow

Brenda Leyland suicide.

It’s not that the media outing makes the suicde their fault.

It’s the fact that the media in similar circumstances hold other parties to account,often hysterically and unfairly. The point is they are hypocrites of the highest order.
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October 7, 2014 9:19am
dime

duggledog – yep!!!
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October 7, 2014 9:22am
Ross12

Great posts Yvette.

I think Hager is going the same way KDC went and it will end up the same way.

Hager claiming to be a victim !!! Hager trying to tell the Police they have stepped over the line !!! Hager telling the Police the are legally incorrect !!! Hager believing and trying to convince others ( and doing so in some cases) that he is a journalist !!!

All it tells me is Hager is very scared of something coming out that will effect not just him but a many others. I also think that if it gets to Court, Hager will look very stupid when comments/evidence he gave in Court with the Wishart case are thrown straight back at him.
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October 7, 2014 9:23am
dime

LMAO @ the herald.

Dime checks news sites on is ipad when he wakes up.

This morning I spotted a story about how hard it is for first home buyers to make the next step HAHAHAHAHA

Is that gonna be their new crisis??? “even though our house went up 40% in 2 years, we will struggle to buy a 5 bedder in castor bay” haha diddums!
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October 7, 2014 9:24am
dime

“The Standard has gone on a purge of opinions while resident abusers remain protected.

http://yournz.org/2014/10/07/left-troll-good-right-troll-bad/”

I don’t know how you do it PG. The arrogance, the bitterness displayed over there. They are a fucking mess.

Its best they stay that way. They are hardly attracting anyone new to their plight.

Imagine if you will, mr swing voter. he decides to check out some blogs. he stumbles across the standard. no way hes going to go “oh, ive found the answer! i think like these guys! im gonna be miserable too”

The only new people they will attract are the “extreme” left and those with mental illness.
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October 7, 2014 9:32am
MT_Tinman

kowtow (8,344 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 9:14 am

Last night on the news the PM was telling us in relation to the security changes that we’d be surprised at how many NZ residents intend to travel abroad for the purposes of terror.

It’s not that these bastards are going to the Middle East to become targets for USA drones, the worrying bit is that NZ will probably let the scum return when they get scared.

NZ would be a far better place if we offered assistance to budding ISIS members in the way of one way tickets.
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October 7, 2014 9:36am
MT_Tinman

dime (9,901 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 9:32 am

The only new people they will attract are the “extreme” left and those with mental illness.

If you are extreme left you already harbour a mental illness.
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October 7, 2014 9:37am
EAD

@ Dime 9.24am

I clocked the madness of house price manipulation back in the early 2000’s. I was at University and was perplexed by the obsession with house prices from that moment onwards and keen to investigate manipulation of the housing market for socio-political means and was immediately suspicious why prices should be rising so quickly. Since 2000, under what rational circumstance should house prices have nearly tripled in a little over a decade? It doesn’t make any sense. Why should house prices rise 10% per annun? What causes that to happen?

Is it a function of ‘free market economics?’

Absolutely not. There isn’t 3 x the demand. There isn’t 3 x the economic activity and there aren’t 3 x the people trying to access the property market. Most peoples’ houses have not tripled in size or magically become made of expensive, exotic materials so why would property prices triple?

The answer is simple enough – House prices are a function of available credit and that’s about all.

If banks cut interest rates and pursue a loose monetary policy, house prices will rise because demand outstrips supply. If credit is tight and interest rates high, prices will fall…..obviously.

Simples really.

Further, house prices are denominated in a fiat currency with no intrinsic value whatsoever.

House price inflation is a scam frankly. very few people will ever realise the capital gains they have made in the property market. If everyone tried to sell simultaneously to realise their capital gains, a chronic oversupply of property would immediately crash house prices back to realistic levels.

My conclusion after several years research is that house price inflation is an elaborate hoax, social engineering to create an illusion of prosperity that simply doesn’t exist in reality. The reality is that monetary debasement (inflation) will eventually wipe out the paper gains made by most people in the property market.

The old adage stands true I’m afraid – YOU CAN’T CREATE WEALTH FROM NOTHING

The truth is mostly, property is a decent hedge against inflation and the destruction of the spending power of fiat money by Keynesian economics, but the only people who really benefit from high property prices are Banks and the people who bought more than one when prices were cheap (during a slump). For everyone else, especially our young people, high property prices are a disaster.
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October 7, 2014 9:39am
IGM

Let us not overlook the mongrel printer that accepted the unprincipled little weasel’s rubbish and processed it. Maybe it is worth police looking at their database also, could be very interesting, in more ways than one. Let’s face they aided and abetted theft, lie, deception, and were close to treason.
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October 7, 2014 9:44am
G152

The death of Brenda Leyland.
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I might point out here that she was one of many who did the hatemail thing and hopefully the others will be unearthed…
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October 7, 2014 9:49am
dime

EAD – agree with all of it. Its bullshit.

“very few people will ever realise the capital gains they have made in the property market.” – i know a few people who hit 65, sold up, moved to a different area, bought a brand new home and put 400k in the bank.

The sad thing is – imagine how much more productive we would be if house prices were still at 1990 levels. Tons of cash to invest. It would be glorious.

But no, we are screwed. Dime will be freehold in a few years so shit happens. Course, if i have kids im gonna have to bankroll them into a house, doh.
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October 7, 2014 9:50am
ross411

Ross12 (1,418 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 9:23 am
All it tells me is Hager is very scared of something coming out that will effect not just him but a many others. I also think that if it gets to Court, Hager will look very stupid when comments/evidence he gave in Court with the Wishart case are thrown straight back at him.

Well, we’re a long way from that point. Fingers crossed though. People need to get their just desserts, whether profiting off knowingly received stolen goods, or stealing benefits more than they’re entitled to from other people who have jobs.
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October 7, 2014 9:50am
ross411

EAD (1,013 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 9:39 am
Absolutely not. There isn’t 3 x the demand. There isn’t 3 x the economic activity and there aren’t 3 x the people trying to access the property market. Most peoples’ houses have not tripled in size or magically become made of expensive, exotic materials so why would property prices triple?

Does it need to be 3x demand or 3x the economic activity?

There just needs to be more than one person interested in something for which there is limited supply. In this case, properties located in desirable places. What makes it desirable? School district? Look and feel of the property? The fact that supply is limited and only those with means can reside in the district, giving it a filtered presence of other residents?
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October 7, 2014 9:54am
Don the Kiwi

A Great Day in history today – 7th. October 1571.

The Catholic Naval Fleet under command of Don Juan of Austria defeated the Ottoman Turk Muslim fleet at the Battle of Lepanto, and saved Italy and then Europe from invasion.
The previous year Ali Pasha had attempted to occupy Catholic Malta, but had been driven off. Eastern Europe was already under the control of the muslims who had defeated and subjugated the Eastern Christians. The Battle of Lepanto – regarded as a great feast day and a time of miraculous events in the Catholic world is recognised as the point in history when the power of Islam began to be pushed back.

A hundred years later, on the 11th. September 1683 – 9/11 anyone? – the Catholic King of Poland with 30,000 troops defeated the Muslim army of 120,000 which was besieging Vienna, and drove them back into the Balkans. Once again, another great victory by the Catholic armies over aggressive Islam and saved Europe again.

This has been the case since the inception of Islam – they were halted in Europe in 820 AD at the Battle of Poitiers, and finally kicked out of Catholic Spain in 1490. Then there were the Crusades to try to help the Byzantine Christians who were under attack for centuries by Islam – they only partly succeded, but finally failed through internecine bickering and greed by the Christian
princes.

So all those who bag the Catholic Church, actually have the Catholic Church to thank for saving the arses of their ancestors, and therefore the arses of those critics, including the atheists naysayers.

So let’s have a lot of upticks and thankyous my generous kiwibloggers – three cheers for the Catholic Church 🙂
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October 7, 2014 10:02am
Harriet

“…..NZ would be a far better place if we offered assistance to budding ISIS members in the way of one way tickets….”

They made it a crime. You can’t fund terrorists.

“……It’s not that these bastards are going to the Middle East to become targets for USA drones, the worrying bit is that NZ will probably let the scum return when they get scared…..”

That’s why the SAS will be going along too. That’s what we fund them for.
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October 7, 2014 10:05am
wikiriwhis business

Ebola Virus spoken of in 1997

https://www.facebook.com/WorldTruthTV/photos/a.394504353999285.1073741989.114896831960040/702091009907283/?type=1&theater
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October 7, 2014 10:08am
wikiriwhis business

J Key is sickening with his weirdo scare tactics to bring in more laws to take away our freedoms.

He had the gall to call a Pulitzer wining journalist a henchman. That’s the Goldman Sachs barbarian mentality he has.

We all know he has his own henchmen in Jason Eade and Cameron Slater.
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October 7, 2014 10:10am
stephieboy

Just a friendly reminder for those who would either want to stop Muslim immigration or deport the present ones residing here, we do live in a liberal democracy and not a facist dictatorship.!
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October 7, 2014 10:12am
Manolo

stephie’s uncle keeps apologising after his endless fuck-ups:
The vice president has apologized twice now for suggesting last week that key U.S. allies inflamed the situation in Syria by sending arms and money to extremists opposed to Bashar Assad.

The fallout over Biden’s remarks is perhaps unprecedented – his verbal miscues typically cause headaches for the White House, but otherwise are diplomatically harmless.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/06/biden-comment-shakes-us-arab-alliance-against-isis/
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October 7, 2014 10:15am
Don the Kiwi

A great poem by that great man of English letters, G. K. Chesterton
LEPANTO – the first two stanzas

White founts falling in the courts of the sun,
And the Soldan of Byzantium is smiling as they run;
There is laughter like the fountains in that face of all men feared,
It stirs the forest darkness, the darkness of his beard,
It curls the blood-red crescent, the crescent of his lips,
For the inmost sea of all the earth is shaken with his ships.
They have dared the white republics up the capes of Italy,
They have dashed the Adriatic round the Lion of the Sea,
And the Pope has cast his arms abroad for agony and loss,
And called the kings of Christendom for swords about the Cross,
The cold queen of England is looking in the glass;
The shadow of the Valois is yawning at the Mass;
From evening isles fantastical rings faint the Spanish gun,
And the Lord upon the Golden Horn is laughing in the sun.

Dim drums throbbing, in the hills half heard,
Where only on a nameless throne a crownless prince has stirred,
Where, risen from a doubtful seat and half attainted stall,
The last knight of Europe takes weapons from the wall,
The last and lingering troubadour to whom the bird has sung,
That once went singing southward when all the world was young,
In that enormous silence, tiny and unafraid,
Comes up along a winding road the noise of the Crusade.
Strong gongs groaning as the guns boom far,
Don John of Austria is going to the war,
Stiff flags straining in the night-blasts cold
In the gloom black-purple, in the glint old-gold,
Torchlight crimson on the copper kettle-drums,
Then the tuckets, then the trumpets, then the cannon, and he comes.
Don John laughing in the brave beard curled,
Spurning of his stirrups like the thrones of all the world,
Holding his head up for a flag of all the free.
Love-light of Spain—hurrah!
Death-light of Africa!
Don John of Austria
Is riding to the sea.
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October 7, 2014 10:19am
wikiriwhis business

we do live in a liberal democracy and not a facist dictatorship.!

Give it time. Fascism is starting in Oz.

There are actually people listening to conversations in public places ticketing anyone critical of the govt.
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October 7, 2014 10:21am
Griff

Manolo
Fox is not a well respected news source its well known to be a deliriously funny parody of far right delusions.
Poes law
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October 7, 2014 10:21am
Padriv Ustoev

stephieboy

Well said. With more NZers taking your attitude we will soon be the first and most democratic Caliphate in the South Pacific. Beating the Ozzies to it in the process! Insh’a Allah!
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October 7, 2014 10:22am
Harriet

“…..Just a friendly reminder for those who would either want to stop Muslim immigration or deport the present ones residing here, we do live in a liberal democracy and not a facist dictatorship…..”

Muslims have been waging war for 1400 years.

And Stephi Boi says that’s all now over?

fool.
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October 7, 2014 10:22am
Viking2

Question.
Who got handed the Immigration Ministry?
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October 7, 2014 10:23am
Lucia Maria

H.G. Wells like many Westerners misunderstood Lenin: He and they thought he was either a dreamer or an idiot but remained convinced that he wanted to build a new future for Russia. And in a similar way, many Westerners today are misunderstanding Putin and think he is all about building a new future for the same country.

But such people are wrong, Vitaly Portnikov argues. Putin has just about as much interest in the future as Lenin did: Like the founder of the Soviet state, the current Kremlin leader is like Lenin entirely in the past. Lenin promoted “the rebirth of feudalism under the mask socialism,” and Putin “sees his bright future in the rebirth of socialism camouflaged under state capitalism.”

Lenin, he says, “returned to the country the serfdom that Alexander II had abolished, driving peasants into collective farms and taking away their passports, attaching workers to enterprises, introducing residence permits, cosing the borders, reviving the oprichniki in the form of the KGB, and ruling without any elections, like boyars and the little father tsar.”

Putin is now behaving in much the same way….

Read more: Like Lenin, Putin Wants to Re-Impose ‘an Unhappy Past’ on Russia, Portnikov Says
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October 7, 2014 10:24am
wikiriwhis business

“three cheers for the Catholic Church”

Pffffff…… they lost three times trying to invade England which they had no business trying and only succeeded in bankrupting Spain. And they would never, ever, under no circumstances whatsoever have started the Great Enlightenment of the 18th century which was the result of the Reformation and turned the US and UK upside down for the Gospel.

The RC Church never preaches the Gospel and empowers the world for Jesus Christ.

Only the very, very ignorant do not know this history of the great men and women of the largely Methodist inspired Great Awakening.
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October 7, 2014 10:27am
Viking2

EAD (1,013 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 9:39 am

@ Dime 9.24am

I clocked the madness of house price manipulation back in the early 2000’s. I was at University and was perplexed by the obsession with house prices from that moment onwards and keen to investigate manipulation of the housing market for socio-political means and was immediately suspicious why prices should be rising so quickly. Since 2000, under what rational circumstance should house prices have nearly tripled in a little over a decade? It doesn’t make any sense. Why should house prices rise 10% per annun? What causes that to happen?

It ain’t the house price that goes up but the land price. After that its willing buyer willing seller.

Look at places other than Auckland.
House prices are dreadful
Rotorua where one can buy a really nice house for 250K. Plenty of towns like that.

Auckland is blight on our landscape.
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October 7, 2014 10:29am
ross411

wikiriwhis business (3,902 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 10:10 am
J Key is sickening with his weirdo scare tactics to bring in more laws to take away our freedoms.

He had the gall to call a Pulitzer wining journalist a henchman. That’s the Goldman Sachs barbarian mentality he has.

We all know he has his own henchmen in Jason Eade and Cameron Slater.

This is trolling.

There are three things you are doing which are wrong, and intended to paint a picture to provoke response:
1. You state your emotional opinion as fact (“sickening”, “weirdo scare tactics”, unsubstantiated intent of John Key).
2. You imply his actions are wrong solely based on hyperbole and lies (“gall”, “Pulitzer wining journalist”, “Goldman Sachs barbarian mentality”).
3. And you make bitter sounding allegations solely based on other second hand allegations, yet frame them as things you declare we all know to be true (“he has his own henchmen in Jason Eade and Cameron Slater”).

There is no substance to your post, other than either an ignorant lashing out, or a blatant attempt at trolling. Please, read this article. It describes you and why you are doing what you have done here. What you are doing is sadism, the intent to cause pain to other people. Your post drips with it. Please, read the article, as what you are doing is not right.
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October 7, 2014 10:32am
wikiriwhis business

The real heroes are all refugees fleeing “justice”
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October 7, 2014 10:32am
wikiriwhis business

“This is trolling.”

Give it time. The National govt will be introducing laws against freedoms of speech and public assembly in due time.
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October 7, 2014 10:33am
wikiriwhis business

“The only new people they will attract are the “extreme” left and those with mental illness.”

This is the argument against people of faith. No God?

Can you imagined trying to talk of electricity in the 14th century.

Many are going to be shocked in time. The scoffers today are just the same as the scoffers of Noah’s time……and the rain came.
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October 7, 2014 10:37am
hj

What EAD said!
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October 7, 2014 10:37am
Andrei

Good one Lucia – still trawling the sewers of the internet I see to reinforce your Catholic prejudices against Russia which does not and will never will kiss the popes ring.

Its VVP’s birthday BTW – he is spending it in the Taiga far far away from the little men who now rule the West and not one of whom would last five minutes there and who get upset that VVP does not tug his forelock and grovel before them
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October 7, 2014 10:38am
IGM

whiriwaka: That apparition fairy claiming to be a Pulitzer winner was nothing of the sort. Like all lefties, Hager as main example, he claims to be a journalist . . . he was, like his benefactor, a lying piece of crap, not even worthy of the title henchman . . . just another fairy.
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October 7, 2014 10:40am
wikiriwhis business

“Is that gonna be their new crisis??? “even though our house went up 40% in 2 years, we will struggle to buy a 5 bedder in castor bay” haha diddums!”

Homelessness is going to be a huge issue with all the state houses being sold off. The future is about shoebox accommodation at hugely inflated rents.

Land lords and real estate companies are probably the real reasons for inflation.
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October 7, 2014 10:41am
wikiriwhis business

“That apparition fairy claiming to be a Pulitzer winner was nothing of the sort.”

The journalist never claimed to be a Pulitzer winner. The NZ media did.
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October 7, 2014 10:43am
ross411

wikiriwhis business (3,908 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 10:33 am

“This is trolling.”

Give it time. The National govt will be introducing laws against freedoms of speech and public assembly in due time.

This is more trolling.

You have simply made outlandish emotional predictions, in response to the classification of your original post as having no substance, and being intended solely to provoke a response. Called out trying to provoke response? Try and provoke more response.

I am not the National government. I simply want you to stand behind your statements, or to make them in a way where they stand on their own.

wikiriwhis business (3,909 comments) says:
October 7th, 2014 at 10:43 am
“That apparition fairy claiming to be a Pulitzer winner was nothing of the sort.”

The journalist never claimed to be a Pulitzer winner. The NZ media did.

Your earlier post also tried to portray him as a Pulitzer winner. Hmm.
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October 7, 2014 10:45am
IGM

whiriwaka: You stated in this post the fairy was a Pulitzer winner, so don’t come the Hager caper here.
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October 7, 2014 10:47am
wikiriwhis business

Great analysis of student debt. Being too bogged down by debt to be able to contribute to society practically and mentally. So true.

https://www.facebook.com/doasone/photos/a.10150430168800435.415618.386398785434/10152670150310435/?type=1&theater
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October 7, 2014 10:47am
wikiriwhis business

“You have simply made outlandish emotional predictions,”

Not even predictions. Patriot Act and many other laws including making it illegal to feed homeless in the US tells us this cancer will invade the entire west. Oz is very advanced in cancelling freedom of speech. Did I make that up ?
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October 7, 2014 10:49am
EAD

@ wikiwirrihi’s business –

you mention student debt but the the truth is much greater than that and it is New Zealand is a nation built upon a foundation of debt.

Debt is what New Zealand is all about. Which I guess explains precisely why it is now so easy to get into University. Anything to expand the amount of debt in the system.

I mean, lets face it – all you need to get into University now is a bl**dy pencil.

Which I guess, also explains why a University degree now packs so little punch in the process of looking for a job as just like all things in great abundance (like paper money), they hold little value.

It comes back to my point about houses prices – we are a nation that continually debases its currency and as such, of course, the quality of everything must deteriorate in turn. Including the quality of our education system as more indebted “graduates” are churned out.
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October 7, 2014 10:54am
wikiriwhis business

The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and Libertarians. George Orwell.
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October 7, 2014 10:56am
wikiriwhis business

“I mean, lets face it – all you need to get into University now is a bl**dy pencil.”

I think you should check out the entry criteria to get into Auckland Uni ….raised high and will probably rise higher.

But I get your points Ead.
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October 7, 2014 10:58am
Redbaiter

“What you are doing is sadism, the intent to cause pain to other people. ”

Not really. Sadism is more about enjoying the pain that someone inflicts upon you, which in your case Ross seems to hit the nail on the head.

You know what I do if I see a comment I don’t like? I note the author’s name and make sure I only give future comments a brief cursory glance.

I don’t write hundreds of words complaining about the comment. That really does look like sadism to me. You’re inflicting pain upon yourself and enjoying it.

Maybe it would be good for you to give up on writing sanctimonious reviews of other people’s comments, ( I see you doing this quite frequently) and just write comments of your own.
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October 7, 2014 11:07am
Griff

That really does look like sadism to me. You’re inflicting pain upon yourself and enjoying it.
confused much redbaiter

mas·och·ism (ms-kzm)
n.
1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.
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October 7, 2014 11:12am
Redbaiter

“Fox is not a well respected news source its well known to be a deliriously funny parody of far right delusions.”

Communist propaganda designed to discredit any news outlet that doesn’t toe the progressive line.

This illustration shows the true situation with FOX News.
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October 7, 2014 11:14am
kowtow

Don T Kiwi

When I were a young lad ,Lepanto was in the syllabus. Loved it. Today I suspect anyone reciting it at school or in a public place in today’s Europe could be reported for hate speech.
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October 7, 2014 11:16am
Fletch

Unbelievably, Obama sends a ‘thank you’ note to the mosque of the Oklahoma terrorist, while not acknowledging the family of the victim at all.

In the wake of a horrific example of Islamic terrorism in the United States, Barack Obama expressed no sympathy towards the victim of this horrific crime or her family… but instead chose to thank the mosque that helped create the terrorist himself. You can’t make this stuff up.

David Myers, the Director of the Department of Homeland Security’s Center for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships, spoke at the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City for their festival celebrating the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha. He delivered a message from Obama thanking the mosque for their service in the wake of a tornado that hit the area last year.

The full message read: “Your service is a powerful example of the powerful roots of the Abrahamic faiths and how our communities can come together with shared peace with dignity and a sense of justice.”

http://conservativetribune.com/obama-thanks-muslim-radicals/

WTF is wrong with this guy?
With everything he does, I can’t help but think he is trying to bring down the U.S
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October 7, 2014 11:16am
Don the Kiwi

Whikiwhiri

“The RC Church never preaches the Gospel and empowers the world for Jesus Christ.
Only the very, very ignorant do not know this history of the great men and women of the largely Methodist inspired Great Awakening.”

That’s funny. The gospel is preached daily in my parish church, and in every Catholic church throughout the world.

If the Catholic countires had not defeated Islam, Methodism would never have happened – you and your ancestors would be crying ‘Allahu akbar’ by now since the 16th. century. John Wesley, bless him, never started the Methodist church till around 1740 – it would never have happened.

But continue with your delusion 🙂
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October 7, 2014 11:17am
Fletch

A CNN journalist says the screening for Ebola at airports in the U.S is farcical.

Cohen says “I expected that they were going to take my temperature. They’re going to ask me lots of questions. They didn’t. I said ‘I’m a journalist. I was covering Ebola.

“The gentleman who was helping me, the officer, he started to hand my passport back. Instead, he said, ‘I got an e-mail about passengers like you. Hold on.’ He conferred with someone. In the end he said ‘You need to watch yourself for signs of Ebola.’”

“As if that [wasn’t] bad enough, Robin, I was traveling with two colleagues. They weren’t told anything. They said they were journalists. We were all shocked and horrified at the lack of [screening].”

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/06/cnn-reporter-shocked-and-horrified-at-lack-of-ebola-screening-on-return-from-liberia/

(link includes video)
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October 7, 2014 11:21am
Redbaiter

“confused much redbaiter”

Yes, you’re right Grief. I made a mistake. Ross’s actions in focusing so much on comments that hurt him is more correctly and explicitly defined as masochism rather than sadism. Thanks for the correction.

(I did actually mean to say that but the pain of reading Ross’s comment made me feel flushed and hot and confused)
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October 7, 2014 11:21am
wikiriwhis business

The Prime Minister has informed us that the consumer will have to pay more for their electricity in the wake of the Penrose sub-station blow out.. Rather than private power companies forking out for improvements to infrastructure from record profits it seems like the silly buggers at the bottom end will have to foot the bill. Again, and again and again.

Andrew Johnson Facebook
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October 7, 2014 11:22am
wikiriwhis business

“If the Catholic countries had not defeated Islam, Methodism would never have happened”

I myself have been encouraged listening to the Word in early morning Catholic Services in Central Akld.

However, if Spain had have been successful in overcoming England the Great Awakening would never have happened and QE1 who opened the roads for free travel would have been taken out.
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October 7, 2014 11:25am
Griff

Redbaiter Calling me “grief” is now on the list of prohibited actions under the comments policy.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy

Personal Details

Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.

Not that I care or will complain but someone might and you could be sent to the naughty corner.Then who would we have to laugh at?
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October 7, 2014 11:37am
big bruv

I note that Jami-lee Ross has been promoted to the job of junior whip. I can only implore Mr Key to ensure that Ross goes no further than that in his political career.

Ross has no place in the house as a National Party MP, he is a career pollie who has never had a real job in his life and is exactly the type of life long trougher that right wingers detest on the opposite side of the house.

The sooner he is no longer an MP the better.
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October 7, 2014 12:07pm
kowtow

griff

If you feel grieffed over names then you’ll have to extend the same courtesy to others. You’re pretty liberal with the ……nutter and ……whacko ,etc stuff.
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October 7, 2014 12:28pm
Michael

I see a couple of comments on house prices.
I live in a North Island city and the prices here have still not recovered to their 2007 levels and I know that because the house I purchased in 2007 is not worth any more today than it was then, a bit less actually, even with a new kitchen .
The LVR rules tend to increase the average house price, the reason being fewer houses in the lower price brackets are being sold .
Auckland may be an exception that proves the rule.
Christchurch has the earthquake factor.
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October 7, 2014 12:36pm
Griff

Kowtow the rules have changed.
As of 1 October KB has a new comments policy
I didn’t call Redbaiter: Russel Redtwit ,Redtard ,El Guava, Don Quixote or Nut Nut Nutter did I?
If Redbaiter breaks the rules dont expect sympathy when he is sent to the naughty corner.
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October 7, 2014 12:36pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcOdtJhhw1U
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October 7, 2014 1:01pm
Redbaiter

“If you feel grieffed over names then you’ll have to extend the same courtesy to others.”

Its just the same old bigotry that clouds the whole of this loathsome “complaints” process, where people will only generally complain about the people they disagree with. If someone is on their side but does anything against the rules, they close their eyes to it.

If there was actually any justice in the whole system, Big Bruv, Scott Chris and Shorn Hurles would have had their accounts suspended for continually making cowardly false complaints. Mr. Farrar did say this would happen, and people should not be permitted to issue false complaints without any retribution.
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October 7, 2014 1:06pm
oldpark

Just been reading that the three time electoral seat loser,a guy called David “nosy” Parker is flying a flag for Hager, the stolen email thief.Parker who once was fired in 2006, when he was Attorney General in the Clark Government.His charge filing false company documents.Read all about it in N Z Herald 21 March 2006. Wonder why Parker the Labour Party creep,is flying a flag for Hager the email crook.Could it be that the failed Labour Party election slogan .”Vote Positive” and the reason, is about to be revealed, in who knew what ,when, how, and why ,in the personal email theft of Cameron Slater’s,personal property.
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October 7, 2014 1:23pm
IGM

When are MSM going to berate weasel Parker for interfering in police business? I suppose Little has told them to leave the gutless little s..t alone. I have said before, Labour (Cunliffe), Hager, Bradbury, McCarten, Little, Robertson, and MSM were complicit in the dirt thrown at National, especially JK during the hustings. Along with Hager, Parker has earned himself cell time when his background is exposed.
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October 7, 2014 2:32pm
stephieboy

A Great Day in history today – 7th. October 1571.” ?

it’s of course debatable if the Naval battle outcome was different and whether this would of seen the collapse of Western Europe. Possibly the defeat of Catholic Europe which might not of been a bad thing.

The Ottoman Empire at least gave some protection to Jews and Christians whereas were not afforded to Jews and dissenting christians living in most parts of Western Europe.

Anyway the defeat in 1571 at least gave Christians the opportunity to continue their bloody religious wars the featured in the 16th century and continued up until 1648,.
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October 7, 2014 2:44pm
questions

IGM says:
“Rar rar rar get off my lawn rar rar rar”

Evidence mate, put up or shut up.
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October 7, 2014 2:52pm
big bruv

“If there was actually any justice in the whole system, Big Bruv, Scott Chris and Shorn Hurles would have had their accounts suspended for continually making cowardly false complaints.”

You really should stop telling such horrible fibs Bedwetter.
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October 7, 2014 2:52pm
questions

big bruv says:

“Ross has no place in the house as a National Party MP, he is a career pollie who has never had a real job in his life and is exactly the type of life long trougher that right wingers detest on the opposite side of the house.”

He is also a Maori according to Cameron Slater.
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October 7, 2014 2:57pm
Manolo

Laugh at Labour’s expense: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/10/cartoon-of-the-day-15/
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October 7, 2014 2:58pm
Manolo

@Griff: do I break the rules if I call you Al Gore’s love child?
The AGW prophet and inventor of the internet would be proud.
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October 7, 2014 3:01pm
Griff

Redbaiter DPF is reacting to the dirty politics charges against him and this blog.

The changers in the comments policy are probably good for KB’s future relevance as an influential political voice and antidote to MSM growing disconnect and perceived biases by the politically motivated.

Your focus on liberals ignores the fact I too was reported for an unobjectionable statement because it offended conservative sensibility’s.

I dont particularly like the effort to cleanse kb of the nasty name calling and anarchy we previously operated under for an obvious reason.

simply.

I was one of the most frequent offenders .
😆
Darwin: adapt or die .
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October 7, 2014 3:05pm
flipper

Manolo (13,630 comments) says:

October 7th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

@Griff: do I break the rules if I call you Al Gore’s love child?
****

Absolutely not Manolo, because “griff” is the legendary serial liar and escapee from the Mason Clinic – like Gore, Erhlich et al.

“griff” is as thick as two short planks, and my colleagues in Aust., UK, and US wonder how it is that “griif” sleeps at night, knowing he is party to the biggest fraud perpetrated on Man.

[DPF: Warning that is an unacceptable level of abuse]
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October 7, 2014 3:09pm
Rowan

Redbaiter
DPF has apparently changed the rules over comments getting moderated, I emailed him the other night. You could add Nostra the resident trap door spider to that list, he is a spineless jellyfish and even complains about getting downticks!!

[DPF: What part of no abuse is hard to understand?]
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October 7, 2014 3:22pm
graham

Hone Harawira still refusing to concede defeat – now he wants a recount!

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25200106/harawira-asks-for-te-tai-tokerau-recount/
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October 7, 2014 3:23pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.facebook.com/rangic/posts/10201815480868576?comment_id=10201815864838175&offset=0&total_comments=1&notif_t=share_comment

this is why landlords have too much power. they charge huge rents and get away with doing no maintenance and tenancy tribunal do nothing because they always rule in favor of the landlord, and then let the landlord get away with kicking the tenant out for complaining. Took me 2 years to get a leak fixed in a roof, and that took going to tenancy tribunal. then landlord put rent up. should not cost to take a complaint to tenancy tribunal, its ok for the landlord he gets it back in rent and claims it as an expense on his taxes.

Facebook.
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October 7, 2014 3:25pm
stephieboy

wikiriwhis business , nice if you could source that video which would give an opportunity to check the presenters credentials. Appears to be a Christian fundie survivalist but you might be able to show otherwise .
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October 7, 2014 3:27pm
kowtow

I’m confused.

Saw a car with 3 bumper stickers. Party Vote Green, No Deep Sea Oil Drilling and the funniest,Oil Free Otago.

Oil Free Otago ,on a car?
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October 7, 2014 3:28pm
wikiriwhis business

CIA Insider Warned of Ebola False Flag in September

Paul Joseph Watson | Former case officer predicted outbreak in U.S. two weeks before Dallas case.

http://www.infowars.com/cia-insider-warned-of-ebola-false-flag-in-september/
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October 7, 2014 3:39pm
wikiriwhis business

“nice if you could source that video which would give an opportunity to check the presenters credentials.”

A friend from Hamz on Facebook. And definitely no Christian.

Lance McC FB
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October 7, 2014 3:42pm
wikiriwhis business

Even as income disparity grows, the wealthiest Americans are giving a smaller share of their income to charity, while poor and middle-income people are donating a larger share of what they bring home, according to a study by the Chronicle of Philanthropy: http://yhoo.it/1uPbsQg

Personally I distrust charities as many funds go on admin. There have been homeless charities for years but he homelessness goes on with no sign funds are directed to any persons or individuals.
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October 7, 2014 3:46pm
wreck1080

So Bill English never got his surplus, and now we are 3 billion in the red.

What to do now that we have placed all our bets on the farm?
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October 7, 2014 4:02pm
Jack5

Where does NZ find its judges? How do sentences often seem out of whack? Has the feminisation of our justice system buggered it?

A man kicks his dog to death in a park and doesn’t even go to prison.

In Christchurch a man whose dog bit a kid who had been taken inside a dog park, is hammered so hard by a judge he could have to sell his house to pay the fine. What are toddlers doing in a dog park?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11338551

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10578380/Dogs-attack-a-horror-movie
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