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Viking2

hopeful.

ah yes we did it.
At least we have power!

Probably means all the Remuera trolls won’t be here today. 😆
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October 6, 2014 8:01am
flipper

Stats that you may not have seen.
The following were published by Mick Cleary in The Telegraph on October 3, before the most recent ABs v ‘Boks match. The try scoring average will not have changed, and the points only fractionally so. The Argentine v Aust. Match will not have varied their relative positions in terms of tries, and only fractionally for points scored.

To those that denigrate the ABs and their standing as the most successful international sports team (in any code) in the past 108 years, I say “choke on this”:

Average team figures per Rugby Championship game
Argentina Australia New Zealand South Africa
Points 16.8 19.6 27.8 21.4
Tries 1.4 1.6 3 2
Penalties 2.4 3.2 2.8 2.6
Metres made 330.4 410.4 473.2 339.8
Defenders beaten 15 18.6 19.4 14.8
Tackle % 84 88 89 86
Turnovers won 5.2 7.6 9.2 9.4
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October 6, 2014 8:03am
hj

Aucklands infrastructure problems:
3. The government is explicitly aiming to grow Auckland’s population as a means of achieving “agglomeration” benefits for economic growth which accrue from high interaction amongst economic players.” Tony Alexander.
Diversity is absolutely essential for Auckland’s success” Professor Paul Spoonley. Public Address [ Labour’s Open Border’s Division]
Growth is Good.
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October 6, 2014 8:04am
big bruv

A large area of Auckland is still without power today. Many businesses have lost as least one days trading and many will lose another today. However, I have a solution to the problem of lost income for these businesses.

In the spirit of cooperation and as a way of the rural sector showing faith in their city cousins I suggest that any Auckland business that can show a real loss of income send an account for full reimbursement to Federated Farmers. Once Federated Farmers receive all applications they can then divide the cost equally amongst those farmers who have received “weather aide” from the tax payer in the last ten years.

After all, if it is good enough for Farmers to demand that the tax payer bail them out of tough times then it is good enough for those same tax payers to receive a little in return from the Farming community.
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October 6, 2014 8:07am
Scott Chris

Anyone who thinks poms are soft should take a look at Sam Burgess or James Graham. Well done Souths.
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October 6, 2014 8:08am
waikatogirl

Electoral Commission stats:

30,000 ruined voting forms

62 people referred to the police for electoral fraud – voting more than once. Wonder what their politician leanings were? 😉
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October 6, 2014 8:10am
hj

The Green’s are calling for more spending on education.
I think economics should include ecology and [wait for it] — everyone should have to study a critique of left-wing ideas and influence.
Call it Moving Forward Studies.
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October 6, 2014 8:10am
tvb

The PM will be announcing his cabinet at 11 am. He said one person from the 2011 intake will be a Minister. That will be Paul Goldsmith who is chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee. He is very very bright and should get a portfolio that is intellectually hard and complex. I also predict promotion for Nicky Wagner who won Christchurch Central against the odds. That sort of political success makes her due for promotion.
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October 6, 2014 8:15am
waikatogirl

Every child at school should be taught budgeting too
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October 6, 2014 8:15am
peterwn

hj – so will David Seymour – but hey! the Greens will not like his education expenditure proposals.
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October 6, 2014 8:17am
IGM

I find it strange Little can claim he has many supporters approaching him to run as leader of the failed socialist party Labour. This is strange when one assesses the votes he received in New Plymouth; if he has not the ability to take a seat, how can he lead a party that is supposedly democratic? It appears the power crazy unionist is no better than any other trough snouting aspirant, devoid of personal humility, and ability in leadership. It is a big difference operating a Parliamentary party, to throwing one’s weight around brainwashed, misled unionists. Little, you are not wanted, neither by New Plymouth, nor New Zealand taxpayers.
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October 6, 2014 8:24am
Lance

For reliable power there needs to be redundant systems.
This needs to be paid for
Everyone moans about higher power bills because of increased infrastructure costs.

All we need to do is tell the power yes or no to more infrastructure and then don’t whine if the results don’t suit you.
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October 6, 2014 8:25am
iMP

New sighting of Australasian Black Panther. Video and photos.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/nz-black-panther-mystery-deepens/
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October 6, 2014 8:31am
Chuck Bird

This executive not only gets names suppression as far as can be told he has unsupervised accessed to his own children.

Would this happen if he was unemployed or a low wage earner – I doubt it.

Why is this hardly reported in the MSM? I first heard of it on NewstalkZB but have seen nothing on TV, or in the Herald or and Fairfax paper.

This yet another reason why judges should be held to account. The are not gods only political appointed lawyers.

Executive gets suppression for child rape image convictions!
Sunday, 5 October 2014, 12:43 pm
Press Release: Sensible Sentencing Trust

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1410/S00048/executive-gets-suppression-for-child-rape-image-convictions.htm
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October 6, 2014 8:37am
MT_Tinman

tvb (4,382 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 8:15 am
I also predict promotion for Nicky Wagner who won Christchurch Central against the odds. That sort of political success makes her due for promotion.

Nicky got promoted last term from memory.
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October 6, 2014 8:37am
Yoza

Lance (2,639 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 8:25 am

For reliable power there needs to be redundant systems.
This needs to be paid for
Everyone moans about higher power bills because of increased infrastructure costs.

All we need to do is tell the power yes or no to more infrastructure and then don’t whine if the results don’t suit you.

As long as the national electricity distribution network is regarded as a profit generating enterprise rather than a strategic asset that exists to benefit everyone these events will continue to disrupt service.
Rent taking for the profiteers will always takes precedence over ensuring a rigorous maintenance regime exists as long as we persist with the current economic model.
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October 6, 2014 8:37am
Lance

@Yoza
So nationalizing the power grid will make power cheaper and more reliable?

Braa hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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October 6, 2014 8:47am
G152

I’d like to see Judith Collins as Speaker.
Mallard and Peters could spend time on the outer
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October 6, 2014 8:48am
Other_Andy

Lance says October 6th, 2014 at 8:47 am

Nationalise it, because communism works!

Cuba

The complete power grid in the country is an aging and deteriorated structure.
The Cubans are facing repeated black outs and power outages, the so called APAGONES that can last several hours and sometimes even days, it’s a part of the life in Cuba.
Each family that can afford it, has a fluoresent battery powered lantern in the house, the less affluent citizens use candles in case of a power outage.
Repairs to the electrical power grid have been made, but the energy problems are of such a magnitude that it will take billions of dollars to make all repairs and replacements.

http://www.havana-guide.com/electricity-in-cuba.html
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October 6, 2014 8:55am
tvb

John Key cannot offer Judith Collins a job until the Chisholm report is completed. By then all vacancies will be filled. A vacancy may open up in the future but much will depend on how Judith does her job as an MP. She could chair a select committee of course and time will tell whether she is prepared to accept that in the meantime. Not Justice but Commerce or electoral law.
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October 6, 2014 9:02am
ross411

Other_Andy (2,653 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 8:55 am
Lance says October 6th, 2014 at 8:47 am
[Paraphrasing Yoza presumably]

Nationalise it, because communism works!

Cuba

The complete power grid in the country is an aging and deteriorated structure.

Facts don’t work against trolls. Trolling according to recent studies, is the domain of the narcissist and the sadist.
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October 6, 2014 9:02am
wreck1080

I’m surprised at some of the nasty comments coming from a few christchurch people about the auckland blackout. Sympathy appears to go only one way for some .

Transpower have been pillaging the countries resources for some time now, under the promise of a reliable network. I look forward to seeing the cause of this – if it is due to inadequate safety or fire prevention and control systems then they’d have to look and see if salary increases ate the budget for such things!
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October 6, 2014 9:03am
wf

@ big bruv:

It seems to me that if you’re in business, the money that your clients/customers spend may well be as a result of the agricultural sector’s overseas earning.

I don’t know what your business is, but if you’re simply churning money already in the system, you are at risk when the contributing source hits hard times. Yet you want it to be taxed more?
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October 6, 2014 9:05am
kowtow

Hollywood and history tends to romanticise and legitimise the so called War of Independance in Ireland 1916-1922.

In fact it was an unconstitutional and sordid affair.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/execution-of-elderly-protestant-woman-a-basis-for-pension-claim-1.1949942
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October 6, 2014 9:09am
IGM

BB: Typical comment from a leeching left-wing townie that is either a public servant or beneficiary . . . bet you have never done a day’s work or produced anything in your pathetic failed life.
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October 6, 2014 9:09am
waikatogirl

BB
Downstream businesses from farming, ie contractors, engineering, fertilizer manufacturers, small town businesses are all affected when dairy payout is down. In turn we battern down the hatches and don’t come to Auckland, Wellington, Chch to spend in your wonderful cities. So no, get stuffed 😉
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October 6, 2014 9:18am
big bruv

IGM

Was my comment a little close to the bone for you?. Been the recipient of a few tax payer hand outs have you?

Why is it wrong for Farmers to pay a little back to those who bail hopeless business people out of the crap every time it does not rain enough or rains too much?

Of course, if you really knew how to run your business properly, or stopped borrowing more than you can afford to service you would not be in such a perilous state.

You rural types really are a backward lot.
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October 6, 2014 9:21am
Yoza

ross411 (789 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 9:02 am

Facts don’t work against trolls. Trolling according to recent studies, is the domain of the narcissist and the sadist.

This is Kiwiblog, posting here is more masochistic than anything else.
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October 6, 2014 9:23am
big bruv

waikatogirl

You might “batten down the hatches” but lets be honest, when your business fails through adverse weather conditions you hold your hand out so the tax payer can bail you out once again.

All I am saying is that it is time you lot paid it back, help out the Auckland businesses that have lost a days (or more) trading.
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October 6, 2014 9:24am
stephieboy

kowtow, I see damn those nefarious Irish Republicans yet again . The UK should re annex Southern ireland again . ?.

I would say you’d of felt deeply hurt and betrayed by the Rev Ian Paisley’s more moderate and accommodation position toward them in Northern ireland .?
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October 6, 2014 9:25am
big bruv

wf

How on earth did you mange to deduce that from what I said?

My point has always been this. Every business in NZ must stand on it’s own two feet. That is the way it should be, you either make it or not.

So, why is it any different for farmers?, why should we bail out piss poor business people time and time again?

There will always be others who want to get into the farming game, if certain farmers fail then tough luck, they have no right to be guaranteed survival just because the spend all day looking at a cows arse.

Capitalism is great, what a pity that our Farming community are immune from it.
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October 6, 2014 9:28am
IGM

BB: I love to hear you whinging townie Jaffa a/holes getting upset . . . You have just shown what you pathetic a/holes are made of.
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October 6, 2014 9:29am
dime

Geez some cantabs are assholes.

Apparently the power cut in auckland doesnt matter cause “you dont know what its like, we didnt have power for blah blah”

its not a competition, dicks.
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October 6, 2014 9:32am
Ed Snack

Wreck, as I understand it, the fire and problems are past the transpower switch point, and the infrastructure is local. It has been pointed out in the past that the Penrose substation is a critical distribution point and that the network was vulnerable to disruption should that substation have problems, but insufficient action has been taken to mitigate this.

And for Yoza’s attention, the problem lies with Vector’s infrastructure. Vector is >75% owned by AECT, the Consumer Trust. So it is majority owned and completely controlled by a domestic consumer trust. Not one of your money grubbing companies after all. So it is user and consumer owned trusts that cause trouble with infrastructure, not companies ! Inconvenient facts !
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October 6, 2014 9:33am
dime

“BB: I love to hear you whinging townie Jaffa a/holes getting upset . . . You have just shown what you pathetic a/holes are made of.”

Sad. That’s why i don’t give money when you farmers have your annual drought/flooding whatever
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October 6, 2014 9:33am
waikatogirl

BB
Never had a handout, a bailout, a government grant or any help from any other Govt agency. Been running our company and growing for 12 years. Taken on 3 more staff since March. Think you will find that is the way we mostly do it in the country.

Get over yourself in your nice warm office, or dark basement
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October 6, 2014 9:34am
wat dabney

“s long as the national electricity distribution network is regarded as a profit generating enterprise rather than a strategic asset that exists to benefit everyone these events will continue to disrupt service.”

You are referring to the disgraceful regressive stealth-tax policy introduced by Labour, which ran an abusive monopoly by jacking-up power prices.

So much for caring about the least well-off.

But no, it doesn’t follow that such a scenario leads to service disruption. The two are entirely unrelated.
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October 6, 2014 9:34am
Chuck Bird

Vote down

I see I got a down vote for my comments relating to a pervert father who got name suppression and unrestricted access to his daughters.

I do not mind people disagreeing with me but the vote down function is meant to be for the content of the comment not who posted it. Is who ever gave me the down tick prepared to say why they disagree with my post?
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October 6, 2014 9:37am
Nigel Kearney

I’d like to see Judith Collins as Speaker.

I’d like to see Judith Collins as welfare minister, but sadly it isn’t going to happen.
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October 6, 2014 9:41am
dime

The media really are full of shit.

This from Stuff:

A joke in poor taste has landed a Wellington cafe in hot water.

This is the Heralds headline:

Cafe in hot water over Pistorius joke

So Dime thinks, “I wonder which govt agency came after them?”. Turns out they had a dozen complaints, a couple in person but most on social media.

That makes it a top story. No wonder these organisations are hemorrhaging cash
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October 6, 2014 9:46am
Jack5

A Whale Oil piece about a Maori ex gang member pretty much proves that Muslim extremists have converted and radicalised gang members in NZ.

Meanwhile we still haven’t had the facts about the Christchurch mosque, which Australians say is where some of its Muslim extremists killed in Yemen were radicalised.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/terrorist-or-fanatical-dreamer/
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October 6, 2014 9:47am
Yoza

Ed Snack (1,853 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 9:33 am

And for Yoza’s attention, the problem lies with Vector’s infrastructure. Vector is >75% owned by AECT, the Consumer Trust. So it is majority owned and completely controlled by a domestic consumer trust.

Are you saying there is no preoccupation with returning a dividend to its shareholders?
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October 6, 2014 9:48am
dime

Jack – im surprised isnt hasnt happened a long time ago. its gonna be hilarious watching maoris walk around in robes with long ass beards. hopefully we get to see maori ninjas too. good humour
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October 6, 2014 9:48am
waikatogirl

Chuckbird vote down

Wasn’t me Chuck. Maybe we can work it out by elimination! 😉

Odd subject to vote down on? Some odd people out there eh!
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October 6, 2014 9:51am
wreck1080

@ed….. it will be interesting to see the report on the cause.

I know that back in the 90’s they were talking about the costs of having another substation in the east but the cost was enormous of course.

When you have a single point of failure you do everything to safeguard that point.

The incident analysis report will determine if transpower were taking adequate precautions (hopefully the report is prepared by independent investigators). I’m not judging one way or another at this early stage.
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October 6, 2014 9:58am
big bruv

IGM

“BB: I love to hear you whinging townie Jaffa a/holes getting upset . . . You have just shown what you pathetic a/holes are made of.”

Good on ya IGM. It’s not true what they say about you rural lot being socially inept morons is it.

Never mind, think of me next time you stick your hand out for tax payer funds. Oh, and BTW, I am more than happy to arrange for a “townie” to come and give you business advice if you like?, clearly you need it.
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October 6, 2014 9:59am
wat dabney

Yoza,

“Are you saying there is no preoccupation with returning a dividend to its shareholders?”

I think you missed the part about this being overwhelming owned by a trust. There is effectively no dividend or profit for that proportion (what is called a “dividend” cheque is actually just a refund for bill payers.)
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October 6, 2014 10:03am
Chuck Bird

@waikatogirl

I am sure it would not be you. I do not mind down ticks normally but as you say there some odd people out there.

It make me wonder if they just do not like me or do not think I should be criticizing judges – even those who are sort on perverts.
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October 6, 2014 10:09am
Don the Kiwi

iMP (2,371 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 8:31 am
New sighting of Australasian Black Panther. Video and photos.

I agree with the shooter who shot the big black cat. I spent a year in central NSW in Oz back in 1959. A mate and I used to set rabbit traps around various rocky outcrops by rabbit holes and dung heaps. One day I saw this bloody huge cat caught by its front paw in the trap and couldn’t get away – it was starting to gnaw its foot off. I didn’t want to go near it because it was so big and was spitting and trying to attack me, so I got a 4 x 4 fence post a beat the sucker dead – it took me about 12 or so full bodies swings to kill it. It has a stub tail, so for a while I thought it was a lynx cat – it was partly tabby, partly black. I freed it from the trap, and holding it by the stubby tailI had to lift it as high as I could to free the trap. It would have been about 3′ long, and weighted, I reckon about 35 kg.

When my mate, an Aussie saw it ( he was from South Austrlia and had seen these before) and he showed me that the tail had been cut off – probably by a farmer with a shovel trying to kill it or something similar. He said it would probably be a feral cat – several generations from being a domestic cat. They grow bloody huge in the wild.
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October 6, 2014 10:21am
hj

What are the issues with the state building power stations on a large scale (MacKenzie) versus private (Foreign) investment?
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October 6, 2014 10:22am
Other_Andy

dime says October 6th, 2014 at 9:48 am

“Jack – im surprised isnt hasnt happened a long time ago.”

Would Dime be surprised if he found out it has….?
Google “Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association” or “Te Amorangi Izhaq Kireka-Whaanga”

Even on Kiwiblog…

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2004/10/a_jihad_for_tino_rangatiratanga.html
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October 6, 2014 10:22am
dime

hj – ya know who build a good power station? the chinese! quick too!

we should welcome em in
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October 6, 2014 10:24am
hj

John Keys “confidence about our place in the world” (a euphemism for immigration and foreign investment) begs the energy question. The dumb Greens think wind, tide and solar energy (plus rail and energy efficiency) will enable a growing population whereas National will have to look to nuclear energy?
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October 6, 2014 10:26am
kowtow

stehpie

Just pointing out that the facts and details of history are a lot more sordid than Hollywood ,the victors and their apologists make them out to be.

“The UK should re annex Southern ireland again . ?” Did I suggest that? One of your particularly annoying traits is to make attributions that were never even remotely suggested, as such you’re borderline trolling.
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October 6, 2014 10:27am
hj

You would welcome the Chinese Dime
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Cracks me up how people get so riled up about immigrants. Especially them chinese.

Dime loves em – i like their food, i like their reasonably priced blow jobs, i like that they only seem to commit crimes against each other, i like that they have made me a fortune in property, i like that they built me a kick ass house.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/editorials_on_immigration.html
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October 6, 2014 10:29am
EAD

This should get the likes of Stephieboy clucking:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-grand-strategy-for-eurasia-the-umbrella-revolution-and-secessionist-political-contagion-in-china/5406379

Looks like the USA is behind the Hong Kong “uprising”.

“The primary domestic objectives of the ‘Umbrella Revolution’ is to unleash a contagion of chaos to sweep through coastal China and severely undermine and weaken, if not overthrow, the Communist Party’s leadership”
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October 6, 2014 10:39am
Manolo

Cock-up after cock-up. Stephieboy’s uncle shits all over the place:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EMIRATES_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-05-15-39-58
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October 6, 2014 10:40am
dime

hj – great members of the community.

we are blessed to live in the asia/pacific region.

Dime is heading up to China in a couple of weeks, I’ll say hi for you 🙂
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October 6, 2014 10:43am
stephieboy

kowtow ,on the contrary I believe the real problem was you ,who did not make there meaning clear .

My “attribution “was a reasonable one given the fact you’ve previously made ( I f my remember correctly ) rather negative comments about the establishment of the Irish Republic 1919-1922 etc.

BTW in what ways was it an” Unconstitutional and sordid” affair and in say in comparison to say the American War of Independence or even the French Revolution.?

The facts are Wars of Independence etc are often not entirely free from loss of life and blood.

I think it might be best to wait for the films release and judge on its actual production values before jumping to conclusions.?
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October 6, 2014 10:44am
OneTrack

IGM – ” Little, you are not wanted, neither by New Plymouth, nor New Zealand taxpayers.”

What about just within the Labour Party? And compared to his two current competitors.
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October 6, 2014 10:47am
OneTrack

hj – “The Green’s are calling for more spending on education.”

OneTrack is calling for less spending on education – cut back public funding on Arts, Political Science and Media studies degrees. We have enough of them already.
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October 6, 2014 10:49am
backster

Chuck………..What I find annoying is that the High Court Judge who upheld the suppression seems to have suppressed his own name as well. He is thus able to avoid his own shame and responsibility.
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October 6, 2014 10:52am
IGM

BB: Your business advice would be as poor as your selection of dwelling area. Like all left-wing public servants, your advice would be as valuable as Parker’s fiscal skills.
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October 6, 2014 10:52am
OneTrack

Yoza – “This is Kiwiblog, posting here is more masochistic than anything else.”

For real self-flagellation, you need to try The Standard or the Daily Blog
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October 6, 2014 10:53am
stephieboy

EAD, all that is required is for you and Global ” Research ” to produce some facts and evidence and not mirror and parrot Kremlin based Propaganda .

“Looks like the USA is behind the Hong Kong “uprising”. ??

And again back up that assertion with facts and evidence in the form of documentation, official communiques , eyewitness accounts etc that show that this is in fact the case.

Not Kremlin based or other kinds innuendo , polemic and rhetoric.

And too not your more usual conjecture and speculation such as because say WTC 7 looks like a controlled demolition therefore it must be a controlled demolition .!
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October 6, 2014 11:08am
Chuck Bird

@backster

The judges name I believe is Thomas – a female. I would hope she is not a mother. As far as I can tell this guy can have unrestricted access to his two daughters.
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October 6, 2014 11:19am
hj

dime (9,893 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 10:43 am

hj – great members of the community.

we are blessed to live in the asia/pacific region.
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Loading up the commons?

Refer Fisheries Patrol.
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October 6, 2014 11:20am
hj

dime (9,893 comments) says:
October 6th, 2014 at 10:24 am

hj – ya know who build a good power station? the chinese! quick too!
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That might apply to a developing economy, whereas NZ is developed, unless you base your assumptions on future (out) performance?
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October 6, 2014 11:23am
Lucia Maria

EAD,

Have to agree with Stephieboy. Global Research CA is part of the Kremlin propaganda network. It’s obvious from the point of view they give, but if you need more convincing, read this: Pro-Russian network behind the anti-Ukrainian defamation campaign. Links the site to the Kremlin and to various far right groups in Europe.

The author of the article you give lives in Moscow and is a political correspondent for Voice of Russia.

Russia, as you may or may not know (or may not care about) is silencing all voices that oppose the current Putin policy of invasion, such as

Zubov, who was a professor at Moscow State Institute for International Relations (MGIMO) until he lost his position there because of his pro-Ukrainian positions, uses this article to lay out for Russian readers just how tendentious and wrong are the Kremlin’s arguments at a time when few in that country or elsewhere are willing to challenge them.

His arguments are given here: Crimea is Not Historically ‘Ours,’ Russian Historian Says in ‘Vedomosti’

What your article shows is that the Kremlin propaganda network is trying to help it’s Chinese ally.
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October 6, 2014 11:28am
Ross12

Labour will never learn. What a load of c..p from Parker. Gotcha politics and proves he cannot read. I stand corrected, if wrong, but wasn’t the 88 spied on under Labour.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25192006/key-sacks-himself-in-unprecedented-move-parker/
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October 6, 2014 1:11pm
big bruv

IGM

Did you get one of your Townie mates to write that last comment?

Clearly somebody had to help you with the big words.
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October 6, 2014 1:23pm
waikatogirl

BB 9.24
We (provinces) pay Auckland businesses for this break in business! Me thinks you should have Business Interruption insurance! We have it for exactly this type of incident. Don’t expect handouts from anyone when you are in business – that’s like believing in Santa Claus. 😉
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October 6, 2014 1:32pm
big bruv

waikatogirl

Yes indeed. You guys should pay, look at it as a chance to pay back the same tax payers who bail your arse out every time there is a drought or flood.

Those who are non farmers never get hand outs WG, in NZ it is only farmers who can be appalling business people and have the tax payer pick up the tab.
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October 6, 2014 1:38pm
wikiriwhis business

Can’t believe the upper middle class have a real problem with this power cut. The middle class moan about cyclist lanes outside their windows, wind turbines and everything they can think of. Now that karma has turned on them.
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October 6, 2014 1:41pm
Shawn Herles

Exactly why EAD would expect anyone (other than Reid and UT) to take the global research site seriously is bizarre. I mean, how gullible can you be? EAD is always going on about how brainwashed we all are, and here he is gullibly swallowing and parroting Kremlin propaganda.

EAD claims the real battle is between freedom and authority. Yet to parrot the propaganda of a large State engaged in suppressing real freedom suggests that his claim is just a cover for his anti-US and anti-Western ideology, and that his claim to be pro-freedom is just total crap.
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October 6, 2014 1:45pm
kowtow

“Dime is heading up to China in a couple of weeks, I’ll say hi for you :)”

Dime old chap,be careful what intonation you put on the word ‘hi” when addressing the celestials, in Cantonese it can mean a number of things,including a part of the female anatomy!

They get a huge amount of entertainment from the old double entendre between English and Chinese.
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October 6, 2014 2:15pm
Manolo

The KDS syndrome is alive and kicking at The sub-Standard. One resident diva writes:
Key will very definitely be making the most out of this to have a pretend reason for putting up power prices!
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October 6, 2014 3:17pm
Nostradamus

Big Bruv will be delighted at this news:

All Black heart-throb Byron Kelleher is off the market, after proposing to his stunning Paris-based princess.

Oh hold on:

Speaking from Toulouse, he told the Herald on Sunday: “The foundations that the ABs taught me are now proving to be invaluable to my current life and I always thank my stars for what it now means to me.
…
But the All Blacks and New Zealand remain close to his heart – he often thought of the men in black’s war cry as he dozed off to sleep.

“Here’s a secret,” said Kelleher. “At night when I go to bed I often fall asleep to the memory of the haka. I close my eyes and I recite it. It’s the New Zealand prayer.”
…

Any thoughts, Big Bruv?
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October 6, 2014 3:18pm
Manolo

Lucky bugger. She looks stunning.
No doubt Big Bruv will shed a tear of joy for Byron, former member of his favourite team.
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October 6, 2014 3:22pm
Andrei

Lol Shawn, the most surveilled people in the history of mankind are those of the modern Western lands, so called “free” people, living in countriess where you cannot even ride a pushbike without a helmet lest you pulled up by a GOVERNMENT apparatchik and punished.

Too funny
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October 6, 2014 3:26pm
Shawn Herles

larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

“Less than four months after Putin takes over at the KGB, opposition Duma Deputy Galina Starovoitova (pictured, right), the most prominent pro-democracy Kremlin critic in the nation, is murdered at her apartment building in St. Petersburg. Four months after that, Putin will play a key role in silencing the Russian Attorney General, Yury Skuratov, who was investigating high-level corruption in the Kremlin, by airing an illicit sex video involving Skuratov on national TV. Four months after the dust settles in the Skuratov affair, Putin will be named Prime Minister.”

EAD is engaged in the promotion of violent state tyranny.
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October 6, 2014 3:27pm
Shawn Herles

“Writing in Forbes Gary Weiss, who has covered business for more than 20 years as an investigative reporter and author, encapsulates the crude thuggery Russia practices against journalists of every stripe and the even more crude silence of the Russian people in the face of this outrage. Gary’s latest book is Wall Street Vs. America: The Rampant Greed and Dishonesty That Imperil Your Investments. He is also a blogger. Importantly, he exposes the absurd Russophile canard that murdered Forbes editor Paul Klebnikov was somehow Kremlin-friendly and hence that his killing was not further proof of Kremlin malignancy.”

larussophobe.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/murder-in-russia/

Yes Andrei. We have cycle helmet laws, and you have a leader who murders his opponents and crushes freedom of the press.

I think the West looks very free by comparison to Putin’s neo-Soviet regime.
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October 6, 2014 3:32pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmuUIHz_Uc&feature=youtu.be

Did The UN Just Pass The Global Patriot Act?

Expanding the ASIO banning journalists reporting on mass surveilance ….world wide
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October 6, 2014 3:40pm
Manolo

No, no, no, it cannot be true, says stephie: http://washingtonexaminer.com/gallup-voter-opposition-to-obama-at-16-year-high-worse-than-bush-clinton/article/2554404
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October 6, 2014 3:53pm
wikiriwhis business

http://www.infowars.com/new-food-bill-in-new-zealand…/

I was shocked to learn from a friend on the weekend that a new Food Bill is being brought in here in New Zealand. The new bill will make it a privilege and not a right to grow food.

I find two aspects of this bill alarming. The first is the scope and impact the new bill has, and secondly that it has all happened so quietly. There has been VERY little media coverage, on a bill which promises to jeopardise the future food security of the country.

I read that the bill is being brought in because of the WTO, which of course has the US FDA behind it, and of course that is influenced by big business (Monsanto and other players). It looks like this NZ food bill will pave the way to reduce the plant diversity and small owner operations in New Zealand, for example by way of controlling the legality of seed saving and trading/barter/giving away; all will be potentially illegal. The best website to read about the problems with the new bill is http://nzfoodsecurity.org (I have no connection with this website)

Here are some snippets:

– It turns a human right (to grow food and share it) into a government-authorised privilege that can be summarily revoked.

– It makes it illegal to distribute “food” without authorisation, and it defines “food” in such a way that it includes nutrients, seeds, natural medicines, essential minerals and drinks (including water).

– By controlling seeds, the bill takes the power to grow food away from the public and puts it in the hands of seed companies. That power may be abused.

– Growing food for distribution must be authorised, even for “cottage industries”, and such authorisation can be denied.

– Under the Food Bill, Police acting as Food Safety Officers can raid premises without a warrant, using all equipment they deem necessary – including guns (Clause 265 – 1).

– Members of the private sector can also be Food Safety Officers, as at Clause 243. So Monsanto employees can raid premises – including marae – backed up by armed police.

– The Bill gives Food Safety Officers immunity from criminal and civil prosecution.

– The Government has created this bill to keep in line with its World Trade Organisation obligations under an international scheme called Codex Alimentarius (“Food Book”). So it has to pass this bill in one form or another.

– The bill would undermine the efforts of many people to become more self-sufficient within their local communities.

– Seed banks and seed-sharing networks could be shut down if they could not obtain authorisation. Loss of seed variety would make it more difficult to grow one’s own food.

– Home-grown food and some or all seed could not be bartered on a scale or frequency necessary to feed people in communities where commercially available food has become unaffordable or unavailable (for example due to economic collapse).

– Restrictions on the trade of food and seed would quickly lead to the permanent loss of heirloom strains, as well as a general lowering of plant diversity in agriculture.

– Organic producers of heirloom foods could lose market share to big-money agribusiness outfits, leading to an increase in the consumption of nutrient-poor and GE foods.
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October 6, 2014 4:03pm
stephieboy

wiki, how on earth will this be enforced if indeed its actually true. I would be very cagey about most things Alex Jones broadcasts .

Here’s why,

http://www.cracked.com/funny-6140-alex-jones/
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October 6, 2014 4:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ wikiriwhis business… not sure why you are giving us a 2011 link.

However if you look at the Food Act 2014 on MPI’s web page you’ll discover:

“If I want to grow seeds commercially, will I be covered by the Act?

The Act only includes seeds that are eaten, not seeds sold for growing. Seeds sold for propagation are outside the scope of the Act. People can continue to trade and sell seeds for propagation freely.”
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October 6, 2014 4:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can’t be bothered checking the rest of Wikiriwhis concerns…..

check them out yourself
http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/policy-law/food-act-2014/
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October 6, 2014 4:18pm
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff, thank you for that .!

Oh dear. !

Well wiki.?
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October 6, 2014 4:20pm
waikatogirl

BB
Nothing to do with me. We pay our taxes, work hard to makeva living, and don’t owe you a thing. Not members of FF. you seem to have a beef with them. Build a bridge my friend. 😉
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October 6, 2014 4:24pm
Milburn35

Latest news is that Police have raided Hager’s home following the stolen Emails from the Whale Oil site. Computers etc. have been confiscated as the investigation into “Dirty Politics starts. “I wonder how comfortable Nicky feels now.
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October 6, 2014 4:25pm
goldnkiwi

Breaking news Hager raided by police regarding Whale oil. Didums doesn’t want to talk to the media lol.
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October 6, 2014 4:29pm
wikiriwhis business

Now, what Kiwi Bloggers do this and become part of the solution

“There were children with no shoes and no food. I would just think to myself, ‘Someone needs to help these children’, so I would make some pancakes for them so they wouldn’t go hungry.”

A Hastings mother of seven has started a mission to feed the children of Camberley after seeing numerous neighbourhood kids go hungry for too long.

Marion Phillips moved to Camberley from Christchurch after the devastating earthquakes in 2010 and 2011 and soon noticed the children who frequently played in Kirkpatrick Park needed help.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11336972&ref=NZH_FBpage
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October 6, 2014 4:33pm
wikiriwhis business

“Well wiki.?”

I’m very concerned about what J Key stated that something big is going to happen in NZ. it won’t be good.
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October 6, 2014 4:35pm
Colville

wikiriwhis.
First thing Marion should do is go knock on the kids parents doors and ask the parents to stob abusing the kids.
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October 6, 2014 4:40pm
goldnkiwi

Sorry spelt diddums wrong.

I still think that it is in the public interest to know who Rawshark is/was, Hager should be forced to reveal his ‘source’. The ‘public’ as opposed to self interest being so close to Hager’s heart!!!
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October 6, 2014 4:44pm
big bruv

waikatogirl

No “beef” with FF. The only “beef” I have is with bludgers. Given that you are not one of them (I take you at your word) then we have no problems at all. 🙂
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October 6, 2014 4:45pm
waikatogirl

I hope we all tell the govt to go fn jump over the food growing restrictions! It is all to do with the free trade agreement with the States. The States are having enquiries into food safety and suitability of altered seeds producing plants that their citizens are having trouble digesting.

I value good, safe food and this should not be a prerequisite for the TPP!

Bet a few Kiwis will have something to say – can’t tell Kiwis not to grow or distribute safe food to other Kiwis
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October 6, 2014 4:46pm
Duxton

NZ Police execute a search warrant on Nicky Hager’s house: excellent 🙂

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11337913
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October 6, 2014 4:51pm
Shawn Herles

I’m not inclined to take anything posted at “infowars” seriously.
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