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October 27, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Don the Kiwi

The human foible of celebrating Labour Day by not working. 🙂
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October 27, 2014 8:04am
Inthisdress

But with a work ethic still so ingrained you’re up an at ’em while the missis still sleeps the sleep of the just. . .
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October 27, 2014 8:09am
Hugh Pavletich

China … update …

China’s Assault on Corruption Enters Executive Suite – WSJ – WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinas-assault-on-corruption-enters-executive-suite-1414345082

BEIJING—The next big step in China’s anti-corruption drive will hit executive suites hard.

Communist Party leaders plan to slash the compensation of the top executives at China’s largest state-owned companies over the next few months to make sure only those truly committed to the party run them, officials familiar with the plans say. The move is bound to be popular with a Chinese public increasingly fed up with the perks enjoyed by elites, but it conflicts with another government goal: making these big companies more market-driven … read more via hyperlink above …

What is the actual financial position of China’s Local Governments and 155,000 State Owned Enterprises ?

http://www.hkimr.org/uploads/publication/399/wp-no-27_2014-final-.pdf

http://www.hkimr.org/uploads/publication/398/wp-no-26_2014-final-.pdf

… further information …

Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: China’s Rollover
http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.co.nz/2014/10/chinas-rollover.html

Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: China New Home Prices Prices Slump 1% in September; Existing Home Price Drop Accelerates

http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.co.nz/2014/10/china-new-home-prices-prices-slump-1-in.html

Housing Affordability in China | Wendell Cox | Newgeography.com

http://www.newgeography.com/content/004576-housing-affordability-china

Sunday Macro, October 26 | | MacroBusiness Australia … significant number of China links …

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/10/sunday-macro-october-26/

Hugh Pavletich
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich
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October 27, 2014 8:15am
MT_Tinman

Don the Kiwi (1,762 comments) says:
October 27th, 2014 at 8:04 am

The human foible of celebrating Labour Day by not working.

In this case though, not by choice – which means at least I’ll be serving it as it should be served – in a bloody bad mood.
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October 27, 2014 8:16am
Hugh Pavletich

I have posted extensively on this thread over the weekend …

Weekend Links 25th-26th October 2014 | | MacroBusiness

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/10/weekend-links-25th-26th-october-2014/
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October 27, 2014 8:21am
minus

Penny Bright, self appointed “Watchdog” with the transparency and integrity of strongly argued, well-presented and logical reason justifying rates evasion –

From last night – Wharever Nookin ……
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October 27, 2014 8:31am
Odakyu-sen

“An Afghan cleric has been jailed for 20 years for raping an 11-year old girl, after the child confronted her attacker in court despite fierce family opposition. Activists said the girl appeared in court after being taken to a women’s shelter for safety from some members of her own family, who had threatened to kill her for bringing “dishonour” on them.” –Herald (via AFP)

Gotta change the culture, values and traditions to make progress here, boys and girls. That still leaves the issue of religion…

OMG! Am I becoming a progressive?
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October 27, 2014 8:31am
Manolo

Will the socialist Rouseff win today?
http://news.yahoo.com/brazilian-presidential-polls-open-rousseff-narrow-favorite-101754354.html
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October 27, 2014 8:32am
EAD

Good article by Liam Halligan in the Telegraph and Britain’s debts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11187727/Its-time-to-come-clean-about-our-national-debt.html

“Why should we borrow so much, foisting our profligacy on our children and grandchildren – who will, even without the burden of our debts, face life in a much more competitive world. A spiralling national debt isn’t only bad economics, but is also morally repugnant…………..

It also turns out that, as the SMF has highlighted, some 60pc of gilts held outside the Bank are owned by foreigners – around 42pc of the total. That’s a problem because such creditors, while almost certain to lose money on bonds that yield far less than the rate of inflation, are also exposed to a currency risk. In other words, if the pound falls, their sterling-denominated gilts become even less valuable. And if our overseas creditors sold their bonds, our government debt could go haywire”

Very pertinent
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October 27, 2014 8:51am
nasska

….”OMG! Am I becoming a progressive?”…..

Welcome to the dark side Odakyu-sen. 🙂
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October 27, 2014 8:59am
stephieboy

EAD, re your earlier post yesterday WTC.9/11. Just because it looks like a controlled demolition doesn’t necessarily make it so eg the Toweres and WTC7 did not collapse on their own footprints.
As you must be aware that extensive damage was done to neighbouring buildings

Another NWO cockup ?
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October 27, 2014 9:09am
dirty harry

For all her puffery and oddness , you have to take your hat off to Penny Bright. She seems to have scored a win over Auckland Councils transparency of contracts..or whatever she blows on about. Good effort.
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October 27, 2014 9:11am
twofish

Again this morning in the Herald: The Man With No Name –

Victim vows to keep fighting to name alleged attacker
In August 2012 the man pleaded guilty to a charge of performing an indecent act on Central Otago woman Louise Hemsley …
“He came into my home and violated me. Nobody gets to know what he’s done wrong or who he is.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11348694

But many do know now who this “prominent” person is, because David Cunliffe met and had lunch with him in Queenstown and that was reported, so one need Google only two words and, “web” or “images”, get the answer first up.

However a question remains – why, through Cunlifffe, did the Man With No Name wish to meet the local Labour candidate? The “Man’s” actions have apparently cost him considerable money, so it is doubted he wished to donate to the Party, so what other reason was there for Cunliffe to risk his integrity in telling the Womens Refuge of his shame for being the same sex as this “Man”, when, knowing exactly who he was, went ahead, lunched with him and accepted a gift bottle of wine?
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October 27, 2014 9:15am
SGA

From Stuff

Prostitutes are facing a shortage of clients, as the rapid rise of hook-up smartphone apps such as Tinder erode the market for paid sex.
New Zealand Prostitutes’ Collective national co-ordinator Catherine Healy said the most common complaint both here and globally was a lack of work.

Double whammy for them, what with the “settling down” of one of KB’s regular contributors 🙂
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October 27, 2014 9:15am
dirty harry

“Prostitutes are facing a shortage of clients, as the rapid rise of hook-up smartphone apps such as Tinder erode the market for paid sex”.

Good. Im sick of paying up to 200 bucks for a dead root. You expect some sort of noise and movement. Sometimes Ive had to stop and check for a pulse.

Must try Tinder.
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October 27, 2014 9:20am
SGA

dirty harry at 9:20 am

Sometimes Ive had to stop and check for a pulse.

And if you don’t find one?
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October 27, 2014 9:23am
dirty harry

Hey Ive paid my money , I’ll want a result…
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October 27, 2014 9:26am
minus

you have to take your hat off to Penny Bright

Why? Apart from one item in regard to Water Care, there appears to be no other instance of so-called corruption she has exposed.
That Auckland Transport lists contracts in a certain way, as suggested by law, does not seem to be personally linked to Bright.
And we are yet to see one comment from her on the one item she is fully aware of: Auckland City Council’s utter fucking inability to collect rates due for six years 🙂
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October 27, 2014 9:29am
dirty harry

Hey , if you think there is no corruption, back handers , wink wink going on within the councils tendering process, you live in fairy land. You even name one instance yourself.
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October 27, 2014 9:34am
stephieboy

two fish, idle speculation. The prominent unidentified person could of met the PM as well .The point is that Louise Helmsley has suffered a miscarriage of justice.with the name suppression.

Unfortunately the law was changed after the indecent assault to allow victims like her to have some input on name suppression orders..
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October 27, 2014 9:56am
Chuck Bird

“However a question remains – why, through Cunlifffe, did the Man With No Name wish to meet the local Labour candidate? ”

Another question is why does not National ask that question to Cunliffe?
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October 27, 2014 9:59am
EAD

John Key says “New Zealanders should now look at an apartment for their first step on the housing ladder”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11348068

Well PM Key, perhaps if you and Helen Clark hadn’t spent the last 15 years inflating a colossal housing bubble and flooding the country with immigrants, putting a premium on available land, then perhaps the “Kiwi Dream” wouldn’t be dying in front of our very eyes.

The other, more sensible option would be to strictly limit immigration and raise interest rates so prices can become more closely aligned to salaries. The problem is though that’d probably bankrupt the country due to the massive debts Helen & Key have hung round the necks of future generations to fund middle class welfare and treaty settlements – much better (if they want to get elected) to artificially depress interest rates to sustain the illusion and call it “growth”.

With the increased forcing of people into Apartments, this can only signal that New Zealand is being forced into an “Agenda 21” future at the whims of our political elite:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/james-delingpole/7045153/communitarianism-is-a-freedomhating-totalitarian-philosophy-like-any-other/

http://www.infowars.com/globalists-want-chinese-style-control-for-americans-under-agenda-21/
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October 27, 2014 10:14am
OneTrack

Chuck – “Another question is why does not National ask that question to Cunliffe?”

Hopefully because National are above the gutter gotcha politics that Labour lives for?
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October 27, 2014 10:20am
Pete George

Why can’t an apartment be a stepping stone towards getting a house in the ‘burbs?

It was very common in the past to start modest in property and work your way up as you built up equity and earnings, and reduced family expenses.
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October 27, 2014 10:22am
Reid

EAD you don’t need to limit immigration all you need to is tell the 40,000 people granted residence each and every year that for the next ten years they can live anywhere in NZ except Auckland. And that’s administratively simple because all you do is design the points system so that it happens that way.

People who haven’t seen it might like this series. It covers the workings of Whitehall. This last one covers the rise of the power of the special political advisers over the permanent secretaries which happened during Blair’s term. And as we all know Hulun modelled a lot of her govt on The Third Way so one wonders if the same thing has also happened here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_xeqfvIwA
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October 27, 2014 10:28am
Tauhei Notts

It is General Debate so I can have my gripe about Fonterra.
Anybody notice the rationing of Lewis Road Creamery’s chocolate milk, manufactured in conjunction with Whittakers’ chocolate?
Stop and think how this little dairy company, from out the arse end of Te Teko, can be so successful with consumer products whereas Fonterra’s effort is so abysmal. Demand is so high that they have had to use another small privately owned dairy company, viz Green Valley at Mangatawhiri, to handle the volume demanded.
Forty years ago the NZ Co-Op Dairy Co was urged to diversify their product range. Then that monolithic structure morphed into Fonterra and they still, 40 years later, specialise in converting milk into powder and sticking it in a multitude of containers, with all the marketing skills of Genghis Khan.
Fonterra’s yoghurt does not within a bull’s roar of Zany Zeus of Moera. Moera? In the Hutt Valley? Yep! Their range of consumer products is so far ahead of Fonterra it is a joke. Zany Zeus’ feta is the best feta outside of Epirus. I recall mentioning at the Fonterra stand at the Fieldays that their feta was too salty. The dimwit on the stand told me that feta was a Greek word meaning salt. The dimwit was offended when I replied that if I wanted to listen to shit, I would fart. Actually, feta means slice.
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October 27, 2014 10:39am
EAD

Hard to believe isn’t it Reid that a country of our size is becoming another quangoland like Britain with unelected officials able to enforce and enact UN legislation without the bother of consulting elected representatives or the public first. Just like the “clean air act” or “gay marriage” etc. which were all laws passed at the same time in other countries (pure coincidence!) without any democratic mandate..

Labour/National, Democrat/Republican, Labour/Tory, Labour/Liberal – doesn’t matter what country, all kowtowing to UN diktats. We are in effect ruled by a one-world government with the political establishment and their stooges trying to prevent the public from becoming aware of who now rules us and why.
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October 27, 2014 10:42am
Pete George

all you need to is tell the 40,000 people granted residence each and every year that for the next ten years they can live anywhere in NZ except Auckland. And that’s administratively simple because all you do is design the points system so that it happens that way.

I don’t think it’s that simple. Perhaps you can control where they live when they first arrive but after that it gets much more difficult.

How do you control and dictate where people can’t live, at all let alone for ten years?
How do you define “live”?
How long would visits or work requirements be to cross the “live” threshold?
Would everyone in the household be restricted, even after they are old enough to leave home?
What would be the impact on Auckland University (students and staff)?

And why should the Government dictate where people can’t live at all?

There would also be major implications for filling sought after skills shortages when many of those are in Auckland.
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October 27, 2014 10:53am
Fletch

For years, the internet has practically been a level playing field with regard to free speech. Anyone can create a video with their political views and put it on youtube, or publish a blog post. Now, the Federal Election Commision are attempting to regulate political speech on the internet, specifically, youtube videos, political blogs and the like. At the moment the vote is 3 for, and 3 against (guess which are Dem and which are GOP?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OS1hrdSVzg

The FEC deadlocked in a crucial Internet campaign speech vote announced Friday, leaving online political blogging and videos free of many of the reporting requirements attached to broadcast ads — for now.

While all three GOP-backed members voted against restrictions, they were opposed by the three Democratic-backed members, including FEC Vice Chair Ann M. Ravel, who said she will lead a push next year to try to come up with new rules government political speech on the Internet.

It would mark a major reversal for the commission, which for nearly a decade has protected the ability of individuals and interest groups to take to engage in a robust political conversation on the Internet without having to worry about registering with the government or keeping and reporting records of their expenses.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/24/fec-democrat-pushes-controls-internet-political-sp/

It’s always the Liberal Left isn’t it? They are always the ones who will try and shut down any debate by prohibiting or banning speech they do not like. The very ones who claim to champion free speech and tolerance of other people – who are all for “equality” and fairness. That is – until you disagree with them.

Let’s hope America doesn’t become totally like China.
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October 27, 2014 11:06am
Rowan

What’s happened to the psychotic parrot these days? Has DPF finally done the decent thing and banned him permanently?
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October 27, 2014 11:06am
EAD

Another Bankster found “suicided”:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/deutsche-bank-lawyer-and-former-sec-enforcement-attorney-found-dead-apparent-suicide
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October 27, 2014 11:12am
Reid

And why should the Government dictate where people can’t live at all?

Because they’re fucking foreigners Pete who CHOOSE to come here and when in Rome you do what the Romans fucking tell you to do or you don’t come – no one is forcing them to apply for residence. The reason why something needs to happen is because this is the driver behind Auckland’s mental property market and the politicians don’t tell you because in so doing they will piss off every property owner in NZ’s main political market.

But we’re talking about 40,000 people WITH MONEY coming in EACH YEAR and ALL wanting to live in Akld. WTF does anyone think is going to happen?

And if its supply as the disingenuous politicians and their muppet followers pretend, then WHY have these outrageous rises only just started happening now? Auckland has had a significantly high rising property market since the 1980’s, but it’s gone completely mental in the last five. Why? What’s different now? The difference is the Chinese WITH MONEY wanting to come and the increasing numbers of yanks and Europeans who have had a gutsful of their homelands and want to live at the bottom of the world because hopefully when the shit hits the fan which it will in any number of ways we’ll be relatively better off than the people in their former homes will be. That’s why.

And since this is generating a two speed economy the politicians owe it to the majority of the population which – newsflash – lives outside of Auckland, to do something about it. But the gutless pricks won’t. You think about 40,000 people with money each and every year settling up and down the country, for the next ten years. You think what a difference that would make – to the country.

And as for being difficult, we can make any rule we like, we can change the immigration act, we can do whatever the fuck we want because this is OUR country not theirs.
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October 27, 2014 11:18am
wreck1080

Another example of special legal status for the so called ‘important people’….

“David John Mundell, 36, who works at Palmerston North Hospital, pleaded guilty to a charge of assault with intent to injure his partner, punishable by up to three years’ jail.

He applied for a discharge without conviction on the grounds that it would ruin his career and leave people in Manawatu without access to his specialist services. He was backed by the MidCentral District Health Board, which said a promotion Mundell was in line for was conditional upon him being discharged.”

Imagine if this was some polynesian bloke who worked as a labourer. He’d be convicted and possibly jailed.

This guy bottled another person and that fact stands whether he gets a conviction or not and midcentral health should certainly not give the promotion just because he escaped due to his job.
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October 27, 2014 11:31am
wreck1080

“you have to take your hat off to Penny Bright

Why? Apart from one item in regard to Water Care, there appears to be no other instance of so-called corruption she has exposed.
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I suppose because she is one of the few who puts their money where their mouth is.

While she may not have uncovered any particular corruption I think it is good to have people like her around to keep jumped up council staff on the level.
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October 27, 2014 11:34am
Ross12

Tauhei Notts

I agree with you. It is interesting that the guy /people behind the Lewis Road products is an ex Satchi ad man (or one of the big ad companies) like the guy who built the vodka product. They know you start with a great product and then they know how to build and “milk” the brand (no pun intended !).
I’m not sure what the problem is with Fonterra — the added value issue has been around since my Massey Uni days in the 70’s. Across the road was the Dairy Research Institute with world leading research , including Product Development aimed at adding value. Tatua Dairy in the Waikato has really believed in the idea and has been successful ( I’m not up to date but I think they are still going strong).
Maybe the issue for Fonterra is that they are far too big to be the innovative consumer product business that is needed to drive added value. They are always going to have to produce the volumes of milk powder simply because of the arrival of large volumes of milk each day but it is what they do with the milk powder ( an intermediary product/raw material) that counts.
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October 27, 2014 11:39am
Reid

Ukraine update.

Several of you have noticed what can only be called a declaration of war on Russia by one of the top figures of the AngloZionist international capital, George Soros who has declared that “Russia is an existential threat to Europe”. First, Khodorkovsky, now Soros – it is pretty clear who is gunning for Russia and how, and it is equally clear that what these financiers are really admitting by their bellicose statements is that Putin is an existential threat to them. In the latter statement, they are actually 100% correct (proving one more time that those who say that Putin is an oligarchic puppet are just useful and manipulated idiots).

Nuland, Soros, Khodorkovsky, Hillary, Friedman and the list goes on and on and on. The entire Neocon cabal is out for war and they are putting tremendous pressure on the rest of the planet to join.

The Europeans are, typically, showing less spine than a microwaved jellyfish: even though they fully know and understand that Uncle Sam is propping up a Nazi regime in Kiev and that the US policies are hurting them, they will do whatever the US tells them. There is no European foreign policy to speak of. All the Europeans can produce is a submissive “yessir! anything you say sir!”. One of the most pitiful expressions of this European submission to any order from the US, no matter how stupid, is this fairytale about a Russian submarine lurking inside the Swedish waters…

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ru/2014/10/ukraine-mini-sitrep-very-ominous_24.html

the guy /people behind the Lewis Road products is an ex Satchi ad man (or one of the big ad companies) like the guy who built the vodka product. They know you start with a great product and then they know how to build and “milk” the brand (no pun intended !).

So was the guy behind the Rodd & Gunn chain. What gets me is: the products are normally crap, but the lipstick is exquisite. I just wish humans weren’t quite so mental that we keep falling for the transparent bullshit that marketing is, in every sector in life. The fact we do says a lot about us as a species, and not in a good way.
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October 27, 2014 11:39am
dirty harry

Solution to so called housing crisis…all future immigrants must live in provincial centres..Auckland s full so go to Wanganui , Palmy North , Nelson , Dunedin…Nightcaps lol. Minimum stay of 2 years before you can apply to live in Auckland. Hey if you dont like it..dont come.

Re the Lewis Road Chocolate Milk…have you seen how much sugar is in it !! 21 teaspoons per large bottle. Fcuk that.
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October 27, 2014 11:42am
Tauhei Notts

Ross12
Have you noticed that the sparkle has gone out of Kapiti Cheese’s marketing since they were taken over by Fonterra?
This is Tatua’s centennial year. Tatua is like a demure maiden. They understate their financial performance as it would embarrass their neighbours, just 6 kilometres away at Waitoa. But that is a big development Tatua have got in progress on the western side of their main factory.
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October 27, 2014 11:56am
Shawn Herles

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ru

Truther web site.
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October 27, 2014 11:57am
Reid

Interesting and short interview from one of the more informed commentators on the oil industry and markets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM_My6X_h-U

BTW, the main point about Ukraine in my post above and why its important was this sentence from the bit I quoted from:

“Nuland, Soros, Khodorkovsky, Hillary, Friedman and the list goes on and on and on. The entire Neocon cabal is out for war and they are putting tremendous pressure on the rest of the planet to join.”

We all know what the neocons did last time. Some of us even know why they did it. It’s a shame most people don’t and it would be a great shame this time, for the world, if the world let them do it again, because this time it’s not just a bunch of ragheads who’ll take the fallout from the machinations of these complete traitorous bastards. And I only use that language because while I regard ragheads as humans, apparently from many comments, others don’t.
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October 27, 2014 12:08pm
Shawn Herles

Russian terrorism in Ukraine 17/7/2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MALn_TqKq9s
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October 27, 2014 12:11pm
Reid

Russian terrorism in Ukraine 17/7/2014.

Useful idiot propaganda video designed for low-IQ people who can’t think for themselves.
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October 27, 2014 12:14pm
Manolo

Raging hormonal urges:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/elderly-man-robbed-by-teen-girls-he-met-on-sugar-daddy-website/ar-BBbcEUq?ocid=mailsignout
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October 27, 2014 12:17pm
Pete George

@Reid

Because they’re fucking foreigners Pete who CHOOSE to come here and when in Rome you do what the Romans fucking tell you to do or you don’t come…

And as for being difficult, we can make any rule we like, we can change the immigration act, we can do whatever the fuck we want because this is OUR country not theirs.

The keys words here are ‘we’ and ‘our’, not ‘Reid’. ‘We’ as a whole don’t sneer and swear at them because they are “foreigners”, nor do ‘we’ try to herd them to places where there is insufficient work and insufficient housing

If they were forced to go elsewhere we would just move the housing problems elsewhere.

Surely the best option is to fix the housing problem where most of the work is and where many immigrants want to move to.

And that’s what the current Government is aiming at. I’m not aware of any plans to dictate where anyone in New Zealand should live and I’m not aware of building a wall around Auckland or having Auckland border control to keep people out.
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October 27, 2014 12:17pm
Reid

If they were forced to go elsewhere we would just move the housing problems elsewhere.

You’re quite the simpleton aren’t you Pete. What about: spreading the load across the whole country rather than just 100 square miles of it don’t you understand?

I’m not aware of any plans to dictate where anyone in New Zealand should live and I’m not aware of building a wall around Auckland or having Auckland border control to keep people out.

No I’m not aware of any such plans either Pete. Do you think maybe that could be why I didn’t suggest there were?

You know mate it takes a special kind of dumb not only continually to miss the point of something entirely which evidently is your raison d’etre, but in addition to doing that to also get all confused about whether or not a post was raising something new or something that was already happening, is a new milestone for me in your perspicacity or otherwise score. So far mate, the “otherwise” end of it is winning by a huge margin and this latest evidence means I might have to rent some time on NIWA’s supercomputer just to work out your new score, it’s going to be such a low number.
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October 27, 2014 12:28pm
Redbaiter

PG, if multi-culturalism is such a good idea why don’t you go and live in Somalia?

In fact if every sickly white liberal who preached the multi-culturalist gospel did that it would solve Auckland’s housing problem.
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October 27, 2014 12:30pm
Manolo

Am I able to chip in a few dollars towards a few one-way tickets? 😀

The gullibility of some of those wets and do-gooders is laughable.
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October 27, 2014 12:36pm
Pete George

Reid: “What about: spreading the load across the whole country ”

That might make sense if there were jobs, business opportunities, infrastructure and housing across the country. But there isn’t.
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October 27, 2014 12:41pm
Pete George

@Redbaiter “PG, if multi-culturalism is such a good idea why don’t you go and live in Somalia? ”

Because unlike you I like how things are in New Zealand better than anywhere else in the world including Somalia. And I’m not sure that Somalia would be a great place for someone who like multi-culturalism (I didn’t say that had anything to do with Reid’s impracticality).

You’re obviously not happy at all with how things are in New Zealand. Why don’t you go somewhere that would suit your narrow ideals better? Sorry, I can’t think of anywhere that would accommodate your requirements – I don’t think time machines back into a mythical past are a goer yet.
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October 27, 2014 12:46pm
Reid

That might make sense if there were jobs, business opportunities, infrastructure and housing across the country. But there isn’t.

You don’t get out much do you Pete. There is plenty of everything. Easily 40,000 a year’s worth and if there isn’t, why the provinces will simply do the same thing as they’re doing in Auckland, won’t they.

And the benefit is, we wouldn’t any longer be creating a 2 speed economy via a non-productive asset because while housing is a vital necessity, it does not actually produce anything, it just sits there, year after year, doing what houses do.
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October 27, 2014 12:47pm
Pete George

Manolo – how would you enforce your idea of cultural nirvana and avoid a shrinking population and a shrinking economy?
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October 27, 2014 12:47pm
Pete George

There is plenty of everything. Easily 40,000 a year’s worth and if there isn’t, why the provinces will simply do the same thing as they’re doing in Auckland, won’t they.

So why aren’t the provinces doing that now? With cheaper housing they should be able to attract immigrants in droves. But they’re not.

…while housing is a vital necessity, it does not actually produce anything, it just sits there, year after year, doing what houses do.

No. Housing is an important part of our employment and economy. Christchurch is thriving on rebuilding at the moment.
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October 27, 2014 12:54pm
stephieboy

Reid, this is not idiot Propoganda ,

Tucked in a leafy corner of a town square, is this the Buk missile launcher that blasted Flight M17 from the sky?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html

An excellent overview of the convergence of evidence that points to the Doensk rebels complicity in downing of M17. This is of course without prejudice to the Dutch Board of Safety enquiry continuing at the moment.
An important point is that downing was accidental and not as far as evidence so far shows as deliberate ..

Some points regarding the circumstantial evidence pointing to the rebels.:

1 . M17 was downed over rebel held territory.

2. The rebels had downed a Ukrainian An 26 Military transporter using an anti aircraft missile system not long before.It was flying at c 20,000 ft .Plus a sundry list of Helicopters and SU25 but likely with shoulder anti aircraft launchers..As with the A26 it demonstrates some familiarity with the Buk system with ( likely ) or without Russian help.

3. I distinctly recall a the time of the tragedy Voice of Russia online proudly boasting the Rebels capturing a Ukrainian a BUK launcher.some months earlier The article with photos was taken down and removed. Why.?

4. As my link shows Rebel Commanders have admitted as much .

5. The Kremlin has claimed that witness saw that Ukrainian Su 25s down M17 .It does not stack up.Why.? There was cloud cover at the time and at 30,000 ft M17 so it wasn’t readily visible and at that height it would be to small to see let alone the much smaller Su 25s. Besides a Mig 29 or Su 17 would be far , far more suitable for this kind of intercept.Also the following Air India flight failed to pick up the presence of aircraft other than M17 on its radar.
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October 27, 2014 1:04pm
Reid

With cheaper housing they should be able to attract immigrants in droves. But they’re not.

Crikey. Really?

I wonder why?

Could it possibly be that immigrants prefer to live in Auckland and they don’t care so much about prices because they all have money and the Chinese can get cheaper finance than we can from home? Could that be the reason Pete?

And if it is, so fucking what?

Who cares what immigrants prefer? What does their preference have to do with anything? I mean, a cancer cell prefers to multiply, doesn’t it. But is it therefore necessary to let it have its way? No doubt you’ll get all confused again and hallucinate that I’m referring to immigrants as being cancerous and isn’t that just tewwible so since I can’t be arsed explaining this profoundly basic point in 10 mins time once your lips stop moving and you’ve had a chance to think about it – I’m just using it as a metaphor Pete and its accurate on various levels, not least because the current property bubble in Akld is in fact a cancer in the wider NZ economy.
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October 27, 2014 1:12pm
Pete George

Who cares what immigrants prefer? What does their preference have to do with anything?

It probably has quite a lot to do with things. If they are forced to live away from Auckland, away from where much of the high skilled work is, away from where their family and friends may already be living, then many won’t come.

And while that might ease the strain on Auckland’s housing market it will cause problems for Auckland’s economy, which will cause problems for New Zealand’s economy.

I would personally prefer our population growth and immigration was spread around the country more but I don’t think it’s a good idea to try and force people to leave in particular areas.

And there’s another problem. While some including myself would like to see development and growth in Dunedin the city has been and is fairly anti-development. This is rife in the city council which happens to be Green dominated and there is a hard core of anti-development people who know how to use the RMA system to oppose development and deter development.

So if the government forced say a thousand immigrants a year who would otherwise go to Auckland to go to Dunedin there would not be the jobs nor the housing for them, and slim prospects of development to support them. If they rode bikes around the city the council would be happy but the city would keep dying economically.
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October 27, 2014 1:37pm
Viking2

20 Years from Now.

20 years from now, I will be in Heaven –bye !!This was written
by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.. Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can
marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy
with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she cannot obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the
dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honour killing) to restore the honour of the family. Husbands can beat
their wives ‘at will’ and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the Western World ( Canada, Australia, United States and Britain ) Muslim men are starting
to demand Shariah Law so the wife cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing
and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American, Canadian, Universities and British Universities are
now marrying Muslim men and s_ubmitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

By passing this on, enlightened Canadian, Australians, American and British women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.

Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza
…..

When he died, he was considered a “shahid,” a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society..

But Darwish developed a sceptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and
upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.

In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law – what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic
countries.

For the West, she says radical
Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners
generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that
non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one’s children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law
rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah
teaches two systems of ethics – one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh
century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others..

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding
of and relationship with God, Shariah advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted
as criticism

It’s hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam
or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even
assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains
how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and
elsewhere.

(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada, Australia, the U.S. And Britain To elect the heads of
Government by themselves! Rest assured they will do so… You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA
.. Dearborn Mich. Is one and there are others….) ( Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)

I think everyone in Canada, Australia, the U.S. And Great Britain Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this l be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, Australia, the U.S.A. and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America, Australia and Britain
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October 27, 2014 1:40pm
Viking2

This gentleman seems quite exercised about the Muslim immigration question.

Politicians worldwide Take heed.

TO SENATOR SARAH HANSON YOUNG

Like most normal people in the community, I have trouble in establishing just what planet it is you live on!

Your strident outpouring of crap on illegal immigrants is incredibly offensive to the vast majority of Australians, which is why you and your nutter mates Milne, Bandt, Brown, Rhiannon and co, attract only 8% of the national vote, and they are the extreme looney left in our community, to whom you obviously relate.

The majority of illegal immigrants come from Muslim countries from, which in case you haven’t noticed, 99% of all terrorists emanate. Every muslim country in the Middle East is in total turmoil and, with notably few exceptions, are poor, violent, and have not been able to govern themselves for centuries. Their vile islamic religion with its jihad and fatwah spew forth hatred and terror across the world, and anybody who does not follow their crazy doctrine is considered an infidel and should be executed and Allah is obviously quite OK with that, yet you are in the forefront in assisting more of them to come here?

Muslim immigration into civilized western societies is a huge drain on the welfare systems of those countries, syphoning off much needed funds for our own disadvantaged people. The majority of muslims in western countries are unemployed and unemployable, they create unrest, squalor and dependence on welfare.

In Denmark the muslim population is around 5% yet they account for around 75% of that country’s welfare payments.

Muslims refuse to recognize the elected governments of democratic countries and have allegience only to their despicable Allah and their vile sharia law, yet they are all happy to live on the public tit in any western country they can infiltrate.

Last time I looked, the muslim community is the only ethnic group to have its own dedicated police task force (Sydney’s middle east crime squad) to deal with the anti social criminality that is rife among all muslim ghettos in western countries.

Witness the two muslim maniacs that hacked a decorated soldier to death in the UK last year? I suppose you would let them out on probation to be rehabilitated.

And what about the subjugation of women who are treated as mere chattels by muslim men, with children being dragooned into forced marriages, in many instances with men they have never met… Are you OK with that?

The European migrants that came here from Europe after the second world war assimilated into Australian society and made this country what it is today, and I as a 6th generation Australian of 71 and married to a Dutch woman, greatly admire those people.

You keep harping on about discrimination and on that subject we can agree with one point of difference: there is not enough of it. The regular executions and drive by shootings in Sydney’s western suburbs, the drug dealing and organized crime that necessitated a special police task force, the draining our welfare system, are all due to muslim immigrants.

And there you are with your bleeding heart all over our television screens castigating Tony Abbott for protecting Australia’s sovereignty and preventing the massive drain that unemployed muslims place on our scarce welfare resources that can certainly be used for much more deserving causes.

Get this through your dumb green skull! The vast majority of Australians do not want muslim immigration into this country, and if a referendum on this issue were held tomorrow, you and your scaly mates know damn well what the result would be.

So give us all a break and refrain from your pathetic outpouring in support of illegal immigrants, the vast majority of whom are muslim, we could give a rat’s arse, and you and your nutter associates in the greens are a disgrace to this country!

Peter Jacobsen

27/98 Thorn St

Kangaroo Point

Australia 4619
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October 27, 2014 1:43pm
Viking2

So if the government forced say a thousand immigrants a year who would otherwise go to Auckland to go to Dunedin there would not be the jobs nor the housing for them, and slim prospects of development to support them. If they rode bikes around the city the council would be happy but the city would keep dying economically.

Pete its clear you just don’t want immigrants in Dunedin. Well we don’t want some of them either.
Get it?
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October 27, 2014 1:46pm
dirty harry

Aw well said that man from Australia..fantastic.
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October 27, 2014 2:58pm
Viking2

By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

“I walked down the street in Barcelona and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz .

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture,
thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful
people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of
life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the
disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance,
religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support
their families with pride.
They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and
crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of
their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill,
intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and
their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those
who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and
theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe .

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any
inconvenience to themselves. Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum
because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this
is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.

It is now more than sixty years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial
chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred
Catholic priests who were ‘murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated.’ Now,
more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth,’ it is imperative to make sure the

world never forgets.

How many years will it be before the attack on the â€˜World Trade Centreâ€™ ‘NEVER HAPPENED’ because it

offends some Muslim in the United States ?

If our Judeo-Christian heritage is offensive to Muslims, they should pack up and move to Iran , Iraq or some

other Muslim country.
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October 27, 2014 3:49pm
Viking2

Chinese snap up 50 dairy farms

CHINESE investment is flooding into Australia’s dairy industry, with four multi-million-dollar mega-deals in progress that are likely to see Chinese state-owned companies taking big stakes in all Australia’s largest dairy farming operations. In western Victorian, about 50 dairy farmers between Colac and Mount Gambier have signed individual option deals to sell their farms, worth a…

http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/chinese-snap-up-50-dairy-farms-41138/

More trouble for Fontera. A serious read for you milkies.
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October 27, 2014 5:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

Peter George … Are you aware what PM Key said this time last year regarding affordable housing ? … ACTION ON AGFFORDABLE HOUSING …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dJ20Uqv7eA
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October 27, 2014 5:07pm
OneTrack

“Get this through your dumb green skull! ”

Classic.
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October 27, 2014 5:12pm
holysheet

Ross
Tatua Dairy in the Waikato has really believed in the idea and has been successful ( I’m not up to date but I think they are still going strong).

They are more than going strong.
Fonterra payout $5.00+
Tatua Payout $10.30

They make the canned cream and a lot of other high value products. Are in the process of expanding their factory to keep up with demand.
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October 27, 2014 5:13pm
IGM

See a rainbow doctor getting a left-wing judge’s pardon!
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October 27, 2014 6:08pm
Ross12

Thanks holysheet –it is great to hear they are charging ahead. I think if you look at their Board of Directors it gives an idea of why have a different approach.
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October 27, 2014 6:17pm
wiseowl

Viking.Do we have politicians that are capable of reading and understanding what these Muslims are up to?
I think not.
Maybe they are being stirred into thought and action with the situation we are confronting now but by hell we need someone to lead and say NO to muslim immigration into this country.
The West needs to stand up and stop the rot NOW.No time to prevaricate.
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October 27, 2014 6:24pm
IGM

What do we think of the religion of peace now that family of a 11-year-old girl want to kill her because a cleric raped her. Do we want these types in NZ, even if they are a source of votes for nefarious Labour sleeze? We don’t want any more; in fact, let’s rid ourselves of what we already have!
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October 27, 2014 6:24pm
stephieboy

Ok IGM!wseoowl etc get off your butt and organize a protest march , gather signatures etc much like the NZ Kurdish community did in Auckland this weekend.!
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October 27, 2014 6:38pm
Manolo

Muslims refuse to recognize the elected governments of democratic countries and have allegiance only to their despicable Allah and their vile sharia law, yet they are all happy to live on the public tit in any western country they can infiltrate.

Give that man a beer for speaking the truth!
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October 27, 2014 6:42pm
IGM

stephie: No need for stupid marches, that is for left-wing scum. We need powerful governance and statutory intervention stopping any more Muslims, and to totally review the ones that have slithered in the door under the guise of refugees already.
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October 27, 2014 6:46pm
dirty harry

Muslims..the cancer of our society. Nothing of use comes from them except misery and despair. They are filth.
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October 27, 2014 6:52pm
Reid

Do we have politicians that are capable of reading and understanding what these Muslims are up to?

Definition of CONFLATE. transitive verb. 1 a : to bring together : fuse. b : confuse.

Example of conflation: Fusing a nation’s culture with a religion and getting all confused about which begats what.

Definition of stereotype:
view or represent as a stereotype.
“the city is too easily stereotyped as an industrial wasteland”
synonyms: typecast, pigeonhole, conventionalize, standardize, categorize, compartmentalize, label,

Example of stereotyping: Hallucinating that when a single or a group of Muslims does something this automatically means every single one of the billion or so other Muslims will definitely, for sure, without any doubt whatsoever, also want to do that exact same thing, even if they haven’t done it yet, regardless of upbringing, nationality, education or any other distinguishing characteristics.

Definition of cognitive dissonance:
noun: PSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.

Example of cognitive dissonance: Having an attitude that conflates a religion with a geopolitical tactic because the MSM tells me so and even though the MSM is wrong on everything else, it’s damn well right on this.
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October 27, 2014 7:00pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – see for yourselves:

Anti-corruption ‘whistleblower’ Penny Bright directly confronts Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town at the Auckland Council CEO Review Committee meeting, in the Auckland Town Hall, Thursday 23 October 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3CpKWEZPk

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In case you missed this – front page of the Sunday Star Times Business section, 26 October 2014:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/10662900/Council-tiptoes-to-open-door

Bright says the only way she is going to back down on her rates protest is if Auckland Council begins publishing contractor lists, though she says the council has now offered her the option of a “rates postponement” rather than her being forced to sell her home.

“Until I see the same details on Auckland Council’s website, and all the council-controlled organisations’ websites, I will not consider their offer of rates postponement,” she said.

Bright maintains councils that don’t publish contract lists are breaking the Local Government Act 2002, which is unequivocal about the obligations to open government that local councils are under.

It states that: “In performing its role, a local authority must . . . conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner.”

“I get $20,000 in penalties for not following the law. Where are the penalties for the councils not complying with the law for all these years?” Bright asked.

For Bright, the contract lists would be a step in the right direction, but she wants even more transparency. She was successful in prompting the council to begin publishing a public register of councillors’ pecuniary interests, something MPs have long done, but she believes that must be extended to include council executives tasked with handing out contracts.

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Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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October 27, 2014 7:10pm
big bruv

Penny

Nobody (including the council it seems) cares what you have to say. They are going to sell your house and take the money you owe them in rates.

You Penny will lose on this one, and I will enjoy it as they chuck you out.
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October 27, 2014 7:13pm
stigie

Fuck it people, lets not pay our rates !!
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October 27, 2014 7:13pm
Redbaiter

Ha, Stigie leading the revolution.

He’d be down on his knees quivering in abject terror the instant the first bureaucrat showed up at his doorstep.
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October 27, 2014 7:21pm
stigie

Evening Reddy.
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October 27, 2014 7:23pm
Redbaiter

Evening Whitebait.
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October 27, 2014 7:25pm
IGM

Public Dog: Wait until Banks wins his appeal, then applies for costs to reimburse him, from those that created trumped up charges. You won’t just be losing your hovel, you will be destitute, as will Slobcrim for perjury!
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October 27, 2014 7:30pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Nookin, and other purported ‘lawyers’ – sink your wee Kiwiblogger gums into this?

Who else has been trying to hold Auckland Council, and previously Auckland City Council, accountable to their LAWFUL statutory obligations under the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, Local Government Act 2002, Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, and Public Records Act 2005?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0006/latest/DLM132001.html

Local Government (Rating) Act 2002

Purpose

The purpose of this Act is to promote the purpose of local government set out in the Local Government Act 2002 by

(b)ensuring that rates are set in accordance with decisions that are made in a transparent and consultative manner:

(c)providing for processes and information to enable ratepayers to identify and understand their liability for rates.
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http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM170879.html

Local Government Act 2002

3 Purpose

The purpose of this Act is to provide for democratic and effective local government that recognises the diversity of New Zealand communities; and, to that end, this Act—

(c)promotes the accountability of local authorities to their communities; and

(d)provides for local authorities to play a broad role in meeting the current and future needs of their communities for good-quality local infrastructure, local public services, and performance of regulatory functions.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171803.html

10 Purpose of local government

(1)The purpose of local government is—

(a)to enable democratic local decision-making and action by, and on behalf of, communities; and

(b)to meet the current and future needs of communities for good-quality local infrastructure, local public services, and
performance of regulatory functions in a way that is most cost-effective for households and businesses.

(2)In this Act, good-quality, in relation to local infrastructure, local public services, and performance of regulatory functions, means infrastructure, services, and performance that are—

(a)efficient; and
(b)effective; and
(c)appropriate to present and anticipated future circumstances.
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http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171810.html

14 Principles relating to local authorities

(1)In performing its role, a local authority must act in accordance with the following principles:

(a)a local authority should—

(i)conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner; and

(ii)give effect to its identified priorities and desired outcomes in an efficient and effective manner:

(f) a local authority should undertake any commercial transactions in accordance with sound business practices; and

(fa) a local authority should periodically—

(i)assess the expected returns to the authority from investing in, or undertaking, a commercial activity; and

(ii)satisfy itself that the expected returns are likely to outweigh the risks inherent in the investment or activity; and

(g)a local authority should ensure prudent stewardship and the efficient and effective use of its resources in the interests
of its district or region, including by planning effectively for the future management of its assets; and

(2)If any of these principles conflict in any particular case, the local authority should resolve the conflict in accordance with the principle in subsection (1)(a)(i).
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Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1987/0174/latest/DLM122283.html

Purposes
The purposes of this Act are—

(a)to provide for the availability to the public of official information held by local authorities, and to promote the open and public transaction of business at meetings of local authorities, in order—

(i)to enable more effective participation by the public in the actions and decisions of local authorities; and

(ii)to promote the accountability of local authority members and officials,—
and thereby to enhance respect for the law and to promote good local government in New Zealand:
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The Public Records Act 2005

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

17Requirement to create and maintain records

(1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

(2)Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.

(3)Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.

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NOTE THE STATUTORY DUTIES OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE :

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

42 Chief executive

(1)A local authority must, in accordance with clauses 33 and 34 of Schedule 7, appoint a chief executive.

(2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

(a)implementing the decisions of the local authority; and

(b)providing advice to members of the local authority and to its community boards, if any; and

(c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local
authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and

(d)ensuring the effective and efficient management of the activities of the local authority; and

(e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the
local authority; and

(f)providing leadership for the staff of the local authority; and

(4)For the purposes of any other Act, a chief executive appointed under this section is the principal administrative officer of the local authority.
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Now, ask yourselves, Kiwibloggers, how come if the Mayor and ALL Auckland Councillors swore the following oath at the public ‘swearing in’ ceremony, held on 30 October 2013 at the Auckland Town Hall :

“I declare that I will faithfully and impartially, and according to the best of my skill and judgement, execute and perform, in the best interests of (region, district, community) the powers, authorities and duties vested in or imposed upon, me as (mayor, chairperson or member) of the (local authority, local board, community board) by virtue of the Local Government Act 2002, the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987 or any other Act.”

– that they’re NOT doing their jobs, and their above-mentioned statutory duties to ensure ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government are NOT being ‘executed and performed’?

Got any other ideas about how to hold elected representatives (and Auckland Council CEO) accountable to the LAW?

It appears that my one person ‘rates revolt’ for transparency in rates spending, is getting a lot more traction than anything else to date?

Not a good look that I have ended up having to put my freehold home on the line, to fight for transparency in the biggest city in the supposedly ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

http://www.transparency.org.nz/Corruption-Perceptions-Index

“NEW ZEALAND TOPS 2013 GLOBAL ANTI-CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX

On 3 December 2013, The Transparency International Secretariat in Berlin released its annual Global Corruption Perceptions Index. The Index, which ranks the public sector of 177 countries across the world, has consistently shown New Zealand as a country with a strong reputation for clean government. For 2013 Denmark and New Zealand tie for first place in the index due to perceptions that their public sectors have the lowest levels of corruption.”

Not to put too fine a point on it – but what a LOAD OF CRAP.

Penny Bright

PROVEN ‘Anti-corruption whistleblower’

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 27, 2014 7:49pm
stigie

Dont be angry Reddy, you just may get to 4.9% in 2017 !~
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October 27, 2014 7:49pm
Viking2

Actually Penny is quite right. Only the contractors and councilors will complain.
The law says they must do it but council’s seem to be above the law when it suits them. It’s our money after all.

And bruv you spend half your life here complaining and giving others advice.
Why don’t you back Penny when the Law is being broken by the very people you complain about.

Too hard for you?
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October 27, 2014 7:54pm
publicwatchdog

Ah Big Bruv and IGM – when I win this battle for transparency in rates spending, it will be your victory as well 🙂

With your apparent willful blindness and even more willful THICKNESS – you don’t seem to have got that yet – but you will ….

(With my surname ‘Bright’ I am genetically hardwired to be of a positive disposition 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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October 27, 2014 7:57pm
publicwatchdog

” Wait until Banks wins his appeal, then applies for costs to reimburse him, from those that created trumped up charges.”

Good luck with that one IGM 🙂

Good to see that you too have a positive disposition?

Even if, on the face of it, you don’t seem particularly ‘bright’?

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 27, 2014 8:03pm
stephieboy

IGM, the point I was making that you and your tarring with one brush all Muslims hating confederates do something practical and follow the example of of those protestors who marched this weekend.

I doubt though none of you would have the guts.Much easier posting and whining here.

I think your paranoia and hysteria is reminiscence of the collapsing communists dominos in S E Asia re Vietnam and also the unstoppable hundreds of millions Chinese red ants / yellow peril etc.
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October 27, 2014 8:07pm
renderer

Penny can you comment on whether you received an anonymous donation to avoid bankruptcy, asked in a caring way in the spirit of transperency
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October 27, 2014 8:09pm
renderer

[16 of 23]
Record ID 27576
Title Mystery donor offers reprieve
Author Taylor, Phil
Source Auckland City harbour news, 5 June 2002 p 1
Location ARC Serial 072 A8 ASK AT DESK,

Abstract A last minute anonymous donation of $10,000 is expected to save Water Pressure Group spokesperson Penny Bright from bankruptcy.

Subjects Water Pressure Group, Avondale; Bright, Penny
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October 27, 2014 8:28pm
publicwatchdog

Thank you for asking ‘renderer’.

I was LOANED $10,000 ( which I repaid in full).

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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October 27, 2014 8:38pm
renderer

Thanks for your reply Penny. This is one of the few answers you have given on GD
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October 27, 2014 8:42pm
Nostalgia-NZ

renderer: 2002, at least you got the right century, a little out on the year and the month. Only just over a decade though, apart from that – very quick off the mark. I knew a ‘renderer’ once he use render down bullshit and turn it into bullshit, so bright you could have expected the bloke was a scientist. He told me once when he had practised turning bullcrap into bullcrap for half a century, he had a secret plan to turn horse manure into bullcrap as well. Have to like a guy that ambitious.
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October 27, 2014 8:49pm
nasska

….”This is one of the few answers you have given on GD”….

And thus a new era of upfront candour from the guardian of ratepayer’s interests begins.

Just like good cheese these things take time. 🙂
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October 27, 2014 8:51pm
calendar girl

PG @ 10:22am. “Why can’t an apartment be a stepping stone towards getting a house in the ‘burbs? It was very common in the past to start modest in property and work your way up as you built up equity and earnings, and reduced family expenses.”

There’s no reason, providing the economics work. However, it’s just much more difficult to build equity through capital gain, that’s all. Dunedin may be quite different for all I know, but in most NZ cities – those with ongoing growth – the prime financial value of a home is overwhelmingly in the land, which is a finite commodity. Land appreciates in real terms, whereas ‘improvements’ (buildings) depreciate inexorably and must be maintained and (usually) replaced ultimately.

Because each central-city apartment has the equivalent of a postage-stamp area of land, it loses the essential driver of capital growth available to a house on even one of today’s smaller sections. Younger first-home buyers are being allowed to believe, by omission, that an apartment will appreciate in the same manner as a house with land. It won’t, and there are many apartments that struggle to even hold their value in real terms. “Starting modest” is more likely to become “remaining modest” in respect of the home’s contribution to an individual’s overall wealth creation over 25-30 years of home ownership.

John Key’s recommendation to young buyers to start home ownership with an apartment may make sense in terms of their lower capital outlay and the hurdle of the mortgage deposit level. But it is misleading to make such a suggestion to amateurs who lack a simple understanding of the ratio of freehold land value to the total value of a property. Many will be badly disappointed over the medium term by following such advice. Far better to “start modest” with a humble bungalow – preferably with upgrade potential – on a small section in an unfancied suburb, with good connections to the City and to main arterial routes that will underpin future value growth.
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October 27, 2014 10:45pm
Pete George

cg – it’s not just land value appreciation that allows you to build equity. Over time you pay off your mortgage, increasing your equity. And wage inflation also makes it easier to pay off capital and work towards a deposit on a better property.

Sure when property prices escalate it makes it harder, and better supply of more land is important to reduce that disproportionate component of the price, but there’s mays of getting on the property ladder.

It’s far less of a problem in Dunedin (and other provincial areas). Recently I know two people (family) with young families who have bought their first houses – modest but good first homes with scope for improving their capital value, another common way working your way up.

Young people coming out of university could do well to consider the potential advantages of getting their first jobs in the provinces if property is a priority. Wages may be lower but it’s far easier to get a start on the ladder, build equity and work your way up to Auckland if that’s where you want to go.

It’s not easy now for sure – but at times in my life (over the last forty years) property ownership has been tough to manage financially.

None of us are guaranteed (nor ever have been) our dream home with no financial pressure.
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October 28, 2014 6:17am
Manolo

stephieboy in London? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11190075/David-Cameron-shoved-by-protester-in-leeds.html
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October 28, 2014 6:42am
Manolo

The crime of sending the US Army to Ebola-infested shitholes: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-u-s-soldiers-returning-from-liberia-placed-in-isolation-in-italy/
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October 28, 2014 6:59am
IGM

stephie: Don’t talk about guts, that being an adjective, losers of your ilk are totally devoid. Muslims, like you, are dangerous leeches on a good society.
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October 28, 2014 7:11am
calendar girl

“it’s not just land value appreciation that allows you to build equity. Over time you pay off your mortgage, increasing your equity.”

I accept that, which is why I limited my relevant comments to the capital gain aspect. Many young buyers do not understand valuation differences between an apartment and a house with its own land. They tend to think that buying their own apartment is a certain route to financial security. It’s not (nor is a house, but it’s got a little more going for it).

Apartments have valid roles to play in the housing market. But why shouldn’t naive potential buyers be alerted to relevant and important issues involved? I’m disappointed that our trusted PM stepped into recommending apartments without qualifying his statements.

(And all this ignores potential Body Corporate problems down the track ….. with your own legally-unconnected home, you are in control!)
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