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big bruv

I note the press are reporting that a “drunken brawl” broke out at Sarah Palin house recently. To compound matters, it appears that Sarah Palin has uttered those magic words that no “celebrity” should ever allow to pass their lips. It is reported that when the Police arrived Palin said….

“Don’t you know who I am?”

Hopefully that will be the final nail in Palins political coffin, she really would be better advised to stand on her deck and keep a good eye on Russia, after all, she can see Russia from her house.
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October 10, 2014 5:26pm
Reid

What makes Penny so stubborn?

Because Jack like many lefties she’s a fanatic: won’t change her mind and can’t change the subject.

Funny how it’s ALWAYS lefties who are like this, isn’t it. My theory is their heart bleeds upward into their brain and breaks something on the inside whereupon the whole mess collapses into their tummy causing all kinds of symptoms ranging from extreme sanctimony to extreme hypocrisy to…

Galloping mentals at full roar, or roaring mentals at full gallop? I’m still trying to work out which it is.
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October 10, 2014 5:29pm
Shawn Herles

“Because Jack like many lefties she’s a fanatic: won’t change her mind and can’t change the subject.”

Sounds familiar. I can think of a few “Rigtists” here who fit that description. You, EAD, Andrei, Redbaiter.
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October 10, 2014 5:38pm
Shawn Herles

I’m surprised to see you repeating lefty propaganda BB.

Here is what Palin actually said, along with an explanation as to why she is right:

“In her Sept. 11 interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin had this to say about Russia: “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.” Is that true?

Yes. Russia and Alaska are divided by the Bering Strait, which is about 55 miles at its narrowest point. In the middle of the Bering Strait are two small, sparsely populated islands: Big Diomede, which sits in Russian territory, and Little Diomede, which is part of the United States. At their closest, these two islands are a little less than two and a half miles apart, which means that, on a clear day, you can definitely see one from the other. ”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/09/can_you_really_see_russia_from_alaska.html
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October 10, 2014 5:42pm
The Right Way

A brilliant analysis about the value of “news.” Distilled: it is chewing gum for the mind.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli
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October 10, 2014 5:47pm
Reid

Sounds familiar. I can think of a few “Rigtists” here who fit that description. You, EAD, Andrei, Redbaiter.

Sounds familiar. I can think of a few “galloping mentals at full roar” here who fit that description: You, stephieboy, Penny. That’s about it, really.

Guess it’s not just the lefties eh Shawn?

Perhaps you should stop watching Fox so much, you might learn something. (Notice I said “might.”)

BTW: the word is conservative. Since you think you are one, I’d have thought you might have got at least that correct, but then again, par for the course. So no surprise.
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October 10, 2014 5:48pm
Milburn35

I wonder who is giving money to Hager to help him defend himself if he goes to trial. Is the hacker of the Emails a large donor? The other large donors could be a German, a certain political party members and National Party detesters. It is obvious that if Hager finishes up in court he may well have to disclose who supplied him the stolen Emails. After all said and done this is in the public interest.
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October 10, 2014 5:54pm
Fletch

Grendel:i hate autostarting videos.

Me too. I don’t get why people use them. I think there must be web-designers out there who have never used tabs.

My pet peeve is having to change the streaming quality to 480 all the time in youtube videos. I recently discovered an extension for Chrome though that lets you set it once and will always stream at that bit rate (ranges from 144 to 2160). It’s called ‘Your Quality’ and has a dropdown quality which all other youtube videos on the site will be viewed at.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/your-quality-for-youtube/nfcilgimggemnogfigihdkmapdhhlbph
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October 10, 2014 6:00pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ruvj22n85wgo9xb/Baby.jpg?dl=0
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October 10, 2014 6:13pm
Manolo

stephieboy would never be this embarrassed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/10/09/40-painful-seconds-of-alison-lundergan-grimes-refusing-to-say-whether-she-voted-for-president-obama/
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October 10, 2014 6:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

nasska@6.13.
Is that for the illiterate?
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October 10, 2014 6:34pm
nasska

More for the edification of the simple minded breeders amongst us Steve. You’ve probably had the misfortune to meet a few of them personally.

I’ve never figured out whether they are skiting about the incredibly difficult feat they’ve pulled off by creating a child or whether others are going to read the sign & abandon their original intention of nudging vehicle, parent & anklebiter into the next world. 🙂
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October 10, 2014 6:47pm
RRM

I have decided 4 beers is the correct number of after work beers to have before getting on a train for an hour’s trip home.

3 beers don’t take you out of the here and now far enough, you just feel dirty the whole way home.

2 beers leaves you thirsty and wishing you’d stayed for another.

While 5 beers followed by an hour’s quiet contemplation is just a bridge too far…!
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October 10, 2014 6:51pm
nasska

Five or six are a bit hard on the bladder too RRM. 🙂
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October 10, 2014 6:54pm
big bruv

Shawn

I am well aware of what Palin actually said, however, that is not the point. What matters Shawn is that a huge number of American voters, and others in the rest of the world know she is exactly stupid enough to have uttered those words herself.

The lady is a complete moron, to think that she came horribly close to being the VP of the most powerful nation on earth.
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October 10, 2014 6:59pm
Pete George

I wonder if she gets charged and named for making a false complaint?

That would depend on whether she made a false complaint for a start.

“As a result, the investigation into the alleged sexual assault, which was being led by the Sex Crimes Squad, has now concluded, pending any further information being provided,” a NSW Police spokesman said.
Police would not comment on whether the woman had fabricated the story.

NSW Police said the woman retracted her statement on Thursday night and, after a five-day investigation, police had decided there was not enough evidence to follow through with any charges.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/tinder-gangrape-victim-withdraws-statement-20141010-1144xd.html

Withdrawing a statement could be for a number of reasons including fabrication, exaggeration, intimidation, the glare of media attention, denial etc.

I don’t think any conclusions can be made from the limited information made available.
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October 10, 2014 7:10pm
Duxton

big bruv: “The lady is a complete moron, to think that she came horribly close to being the VP of the most powerful nation on earth.”

Instead we got the one thing that’s worse: Obama as President 🙂
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October 10, 2014 7:15pm
big bruv

Duxton

I don’t know if Obama could be worse than Palin but I do agree that McCain would have been a far better bet.

Now, Cue Bedwetter to call us tell us how wrong we are and that Palin is actually a Rhodes scholar.
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October 10, 2014 7:18pm
RRM

The main problem with Palin was she presumed she spoke for Hockey Moms the length and breadth of the country, and spoke like she expected to be agreed with by everyone, and only a moron would dispute the self-evident truth of whatever crap she was saying.

I can see why she appealed to baiter!

She would have made a good internet troll, and maybe even an abrasive debater.

But not deputy leader of the free world.
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October 10, 2014 7:25pm
Reid

Withdrawing a statement could be for a number of reasons including fabrication, exaggeration, intimidation, the glare of media attention, denial etc.

Pete is it possible when commenting on this particular pet subject of yours whether you could ever just once give us some information that’s new about the nature of these things?

Seriously mate, it’s as if you think none of us have ever actually lived any life at all, with respect specifically to your pontifications on this particular subject.
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October 10, 2014 7:40pm
Griff

Palin
brawling family of drunkards for the white house
yeeha
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11112132/Sarah-Palin-defends-daughter-Bristol-after-family-brawl-in-Alaska.html

Bristol was said to have repeatedly punched a man in the face during an alcohol-fuelled brawl at party to celebrate a dog race in their home state of Alaska earlier this month.

According to Alaskan bloggers, the fight began when Bristol and Track got into a row with the ex-boyfriend of another Palin daughter, Willow.

The police were called and broke up the fight but no arrests were made. An investigation is under way.

In a statement, Anchorage police said “some of the Palin family members” were at the party, where a “physical altercation [was] taking place between multiple subjects”. A spokesman added: “Alcohol was believed to have been a factor in the incident.”

Following the incident, bloggers suggested that Bristol played a leading role in the fight. One, Amanda Paybe, wrote: “Word is that Bristol has a particularly strong right hook, which she employed repeatedly.”

Bristol came to public attention during Mrs Palin’s unsuccessful 2008 vice presidential run when it emerged that she was pregnant as an unmarried 17-year-old.

hmmmm conservative values for ya
pregnant at 17
must have been a virgin birth right ?
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October 10, 2014 7:51pm
Johnboy

I was hugely upset to see Penny is being tossed out her hovel. (Not much of a housekeeper is she! 🙂 )

Why don’t we all start a “Givealittle” for her rates bill” ?

I’d start it with a hundred if anyone knows how to get it underway ! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 7:58pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

Of course given the nature of the internet we can also go to the page in question and see that it doesn’t look like that at all, the BBC is fibbing, whats new

http://ren.tv/novosti/2014-09-29/oon-zanyalas-proverkoy-massovyh-zahoroneniy-na-ukraine

Or, given the criticism, they’ve just swapped the photo. Easy to do.
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October 10, 2014 7:58pm
Steve (North Shore)

Nobody will buy her house Johnboy, the rooms are full of mangled barbed wire – and crowbars
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October 10, 2014 8:04pm
Reid

Or, given the criticism, they’ve just swapped the photo. Easy to do.

Or, they really are a propaganda tool of the West. Easy to do, with lots of ~~useful idiots~~ frogs boiling, here, there and everywhere.
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October 10, 2014 8:10pm
Johnboy

If only her Mummy had taught her to knit Steve(NS) 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:11pm
nasska

….”hmmmm conservative values for ya
pregnant at 17
must have been a virgin birth”…..

Surely you must be mistaken Griff. It’s obvious that you have been reading one of those liberal, drug promoting, promiscuity ridden commie sites that are so favoured by those Godless, heathen progs who don’t love Baby Jesus.

Teenage girls from good Conservative families never have sex until they are married to men chosen by their fathers & have their ownership certificates properly endorsed. 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:12pm
Reid

Seriously guys, even though she’s irritating, leave her alone, IMO. It’s not a joke, to lose her house.

Sure, she’s mistaken.

But she’s not evil.
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October 10, 2014 8:16pm
Johnboy

You must admit Penny is a tidy looking ewe for 60. Good chest, strong withers, teeth looked good.

She just needs to be taught how to clean and tidy her hovel to make her a bit more desirable! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:16pm
nasska

….” the rooms are full of mangled barbed wire – and crowbars”…..

And that’s not the end of the problem…..she informed us once that she owned six cats. 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:17pm
Johnboy

No I mean it Reid. If anyone knows how to set up a givealittle for her I’ll start it with a hundred. She may be a joke but she’s almost our joke! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:19pm
Johnboy

Hell if dumb bastards can give $40,000 to the Hager turd surely intelligent fellows like us can find $33,000 for Penny in her time of need. Poke in the eye to all those wankers at the Stranded if we did!….Whose on for it? 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:24pm
big bruv

Reid

Somebody who “loses” their house is indeed worthy of sympathy. Normally those poor bastards are the victims of ill health or a severe and sudden downturn in the economy.

In Penny’s case it is different. She knew full well what the outcome might be, I suspect she actually wants to be kicked out so she can keep deluding herself that she matters. She has also been bludging off every other rate payer for the past six years.

So, do I have any sympathy for her?….none at all, she is the victim of her own stupidity.
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October 10, 2014 8:26pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Or, they really are a propaganda tool of the West.

So, you believe that it’s a lie and that the BBC is propagandising?

Have you read anything by Norman Davies or Timothy Snyder?
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October 10, 2014 8:27pm
Johnboy

Come on bb. Show us that you really are a big noter. Put your prejudice aside and…..givealittle! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:28pm
Johnboy

You’ve got heaps of money Lucia. Put your hand in your pocket for Penny.

Dedicate the collection plate to her this Sunday! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:31pm
Lucia Maria

Johnboy,

Penny owns her house, the bank owns mine. She can pay her own rates.

Edited to add: my husband just suggested you could die and leave your insurance to Penny.
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October 10, 2014 8:32pm
Johnboy

Christian charity is so wonderful. I hope you’re smaller than a Camel Lucia, you’re breath suggests otherwise! 🙂
edited: I’m surprised you could find a husband Lucia.

He is obviously a Saint! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:36pm
Reid

So, you believe that it’s a lie and that the BBC is propagandising?

I don’t know Lucia in this case cos I didn’t even look at the link. What I do know is the BBC as an institution is precisely what Andrei said, and you from many if not all of your past posts are a sucker for its propaganda. You really do need to educate yourself.

In Penny’s case it is different. She knew full well what the outcome might be, I suspect she actually wants to be kicked out…

I doubt it. I think she didn’t know it would come to this. Why she didn’t know is why she’s Penny. That’s what I think has happened. I’m not blind to people being held to their own foolishness, all I’m saying is let’s not be glad about it…
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October 10, 2014 8:37pm
nasska

She’s milked the publicity that has come from refusing to pay her rates for all it’s worth. The day of reckoning when the bill incurred for all the media promotion will be settled is with her.

I’ll save my money for a worthwhile cause.
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October 10, 2014 8:42pm
Johnboy

Make a donation Reid. Lets show all these assholes here that we are not all greedy bastards even if we are rightwing! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:42pm
Reid

Yeah you’re right Johnboy. I will.

Have you read anything by Norman Davies or Timothy Snyder?

No. Who are they?
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October 10, 2014 8:44pm
edhunter

JB it’s one thing to not be able to pay it’s a totally different kettle of fish when you choose not to pay. What pisses me off is that the council waited so bloody long to act, in much the same the courts let little punks rack up thousands of dollars in unpaid fines before writing them off at letting them do community service instead, at least Penny has/had an asset that can be sold to recoup costs.
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October 10, 2014 8:45pm
Johnboy

Come on nasska. You’re fuckin rolling in it. A hundred to you is fuckall.
Think of the fun we wont have if Penny loses her internet connection? 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:45pm
Griff

I think you are right on Penny Reid.
It is a metal illness she has.
Not sufficient to be a screen licking head case full of pills but not fully corpus mentis either.
As such to make fun of her going though the trauma of losing her house is not really on.
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October 10, 2014 8:48pm
Reid

at least Penny has/had an asset that can be sold to recoup costs.

Yeah but what the hell’s Penny going to say when the nasty selfish conservatives save her bottom?

Thanks for the ups Griff, how about donating to Penny’s fund… 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:49pm
Johnboy

Jesus ed. I can see why the leftys think we are all turds!

None of you bastards have a sense of humour!

Can’t you see the kudos we can get for saving Penny from a mortgagee sale?

You all talk like fucking rich men….put some cash in to prove it! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:49pm
nasska

She’ll find some cafe to bludge free wifi off JB. 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:49pm
Reid

I’ll put in a hundred Johnboy.

That’s two. So far.

C’mon Kiwibloggers. Do we weally weally weally weally weally weally care?
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October 10, 2014 8:54pm
Johnboy

Anyone know how to set it up?
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October 10, 2014 8:56pm
nasska

You’ll get a coded email containing the Nigerian bank account details soon Reid.

Edit:

….”Do we weally weally weally weally weally weally care?”…..

No! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 8:57pm
Reid

Anyone know how to set it up?

Yeah we can use the same Givealittle site that’s funding Hager’s defence Johnboy but we’ll need Penny’s authorisation first.

Penny?

I’m deadly serious BTW Penny. This is not a joke.
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October 10, 2014 8:59pm
Griff

Freehold and valued round 800,000 dollars.
Even with a forced sale she should still walk with 650,000 cash.
meh At the end of the day she will be able to down size from a four bed hacienda to a 2 bedroom unit .
Lots more deserving charity’s out there.
‘and Penny will only refuse our help just to grandstand anyway
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October 10, 2014 9:00pm
adze

RRM, did you know that one of your comments is being held up by a young lefty on Twitter as an example of “rape culture” on KB? 🙂

https://twitter.com/B3nRaching3r/status/520404523886469120
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October 10, 2014 9:01pm
Southern Raider

Just saw Penny on 3News. Once again this bullshit excuse for a news channel distorts the actual facts and makes it all about penny and the evil council.

The silly bitch needs to pay up. If I have to pay my rates so Len can get lap dances in his mayoral office then so should Penny.

The sooner they sell Penny’s house the sooner the other 70 odd bludgers will pay up
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October 10, 2014 9:01pm
Johnboy

Hey Reid. Do you ever get the impression that KB is just an echo-chamber for wankers that like to brag what big-noters they really are?

No wonder the right is despised by the left, even though we shouldn’t be as most of us are quite decent folk really! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

Len does not want Penny to pay her Rates, he wants to make her pay all of the penalties, and the longer it goes on, the more money for Len. This is sad for people who fall behind in payments, but Penny did this to help Len.
She wants to be a contributer to Lens train set, but wants the public to think she has been done over by the Council.
Yep -crazy as they come
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October 10, 2014 9:02pm
Johnboy

Come in Penny. Reid and I are serious! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:04pm
Reid

…most of us are quite decent folk really!

Well. We are, Johnboy.

My tummy’s weally warm.

How’s yours?

Maybe we could go on Campbell Live…
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October 10, 2014 9:04pm
Johnboy

Whiskey always makes my tummy weally warm Reid! 🙂

It’s nice to be a good guy for once. I’m surprised at the nasty attitude from some of the others here though!

We shall see if our initiative bears fruit in due course! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:09pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Have you read anything by Norman Davies or Timothy Snyder?

No. Who are they?

Figures. They’re historians.

Have a look at the types of books they’ve written :

Norman Davies

Timothy Snyder
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October 10, 2014 9:10pm
Johnboy

Lucia. Please let your lovely Catholic husband know that unfortunately I haven’t died yet.

Undoubtedly I will one day but not just yet! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:15pm
Reid

I’m surprised at the nasty attitude from some of the others here though!

Perhaps they just don’t care about the childwen and the enviwonment quite as much as we do Johnboy. Perhaps they’re not quite as advanced in the thinking dept as are we. How can we help the ~~dumbos~~ poor things?

(This lefty business is really insidious isn’t it. Already I feel an overwhelming superciliousnesslessness come over me like the sandstorm in the Mummy Returns. It’d be spooky and frightening if I didn’t know I was 100% correct and anyone who disagrees in the slightest is 100% wrong as well as evil at the same time).

Figures. They’re historians.

So are they liars or do they tell the truth, or don’t you know because you believe more in their job title than in what they say?
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October 10, 2014 9:21pm
nasska

A woman goes into discount fishing supplies to buy a rod and reel for her grandson’s birthday. She doesn’t know which one to get, so she just picks one and goes over to the counter. The salesman is standing there, wearing dark shades.

She says “Excuse me. Can you tell me anything about this rod and reel?” He says “Madam, I’m completely blind; but if you’ll drop it on the counter, I can tell you everything you need to know about it from the sound it makes”.

She doesn’t believe him but drops it on the counter anyway. He says “That’s a six-foot Shakespeare graphite rod with a Zebco 404 reel and 10-lb test line. It’s a good all-around combination, and it’s actually on sale this week for $44”.

She says “That’s amazing that you can tell all that, just by the sound of it dropping on the counter. I’ll take it!”

As she opens her purse, her credit card drops on the floor. “Oh, that sounds like a Visa card” he says.

As the lady bends down to pick up the card, she accidentally farts. At first she’s really embarrassed, but then realises there is no way the blind salesman would tell exactly who had farted.

The man rings up the sale and says “That’ll be $58.50 please”. The woman is totally confused by this and asks “Didn’t you tell me it was on sale for $44. How did you get $58.50?”

“The duck caller is $11 and the fish bait is $3.50”.
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October 10, 2014 9:25pm
minus

Her campaign against the council is linked to her refusal to pay rates – Ms Bright says she won’t pay a penny until the council discloses how much is paid to private contractors.

She has filed papers opposing the sale, saying the council is able to bank the debt against the value of her home …
Further, she says she wasn’t in court for the judgment against her and didn’t know the hearing was on.

Despite telling kiwiblog goldfish exactly what was happening …

Penny has always had a choice
Refusal to pay rates is not the only way to approach what she sees as a problem.
In fact paying rates would give her more leverage.
And she apparently still has a choice.

Auckland Council chief executive Stephen Town –
“I personally tried to contact Ms Bright yesterday in a last ditch effort to secure a resolution to this situation. Instead, she has resorted to further legal action which is both disappointing and frustrating …
“Ms Bright has not taken up any of our offers to work with her on a suitable repayment plan.
“It’s the council’s responsibility to ensure fairness and equity for all Aucklanders and rates are the lifeblood of the effective running of the city. While I respect Ms Bright’s right to a point of view, her extreme perspective should not be at the expense of everyone else,” Town said.
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October 10, 2014 9:26pm
Reid

minus I’ll accept all of that provided someone gives me a cast iron guarantee that someone, anyone, is thinking of the children, period.

Will anyone do that?
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October 10, 2014 9:29pm
Johnboy

I never got over seeing the green fog that wisped through Egypt and took the firstborn because Yul Brynner wouldn’t let Charlton Heston and his people go Reid!

Left a lasting impression on me did that. The parting of the Red Sea was totally expected as I understood hydraulics at a very young age! 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:31pm
Reid

I never much liked Yul Brynner Johnboy. Served him right, really. That’s the type of history that Lucia possibly fails to understand.
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October 10, 2014 9:35pm
Johnboy

He reminded me of Jamie Whyte Reid. Never trusted chaps who shave and polish their heads on a daily basis! 🙂

We don’t seem to be getting much support for our Penny fund. I can’t get over what a nasty vindictive bunch of assholes the right-wing are starting to look like?

As for Christian charity? 🙂
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October 10, 2014 9:47pm
cha

Is he?…..yeah, nah, hell yeah!.
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October 10, 2014 9:55pm
minus

OK, Reid – you’ve got me. What children? The six cats?
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October 10, 2014 10:03pm
Reid

minus sorry, I wasn’t meaning to address you personally. What I suspect is DPF has given Shawn moderator status and he’s changing my posts as the opening salvo.

Let the games begin…

We don’t seem to be getting much support for our Penny fund.

Yes it’s a riddle inside an enigma wrapped in a mystery to me as well Johnboy. Doesn’t everyone love a warm tummy?

Oh the humanity!
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October 10, 2014 10:14pm
Shawn Herles

BB,

“am well aware of what Palin actually said, however, that is not the point.”

Actially, that she didin’t say is the point.

What matters Shawn is that a huge number of American voters, and others in the rest of the world know she is exactly stupid enough to have uttered those words herself.”

Except she didn’t. So, in what way is she stupid if you have to make things up?

“The lady is a complete moron,”

Evidence? Because your only evidence is a lie.

I don’t think she has the depth of commitment to be a good political leader. But that aside none of the criticisms of her amount to anything more substantive than Liberal bigotry, bigotry based on, as you admit, bullshit.

I think that says more about Liberals than her.
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October 10, 2014 10:21pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

So are they liars or do they tell the truth, or don’t you know because you believe more in their job title than in what they say?

Their version of history matches the one I grew up with that is alien (until recently) to most English speakers.
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October 10, 2014 10:23pm
Reid

Evidence?

Shawn she’s a hillbilly playing a banjo on the porch and always has been. The only reason you don’t see anything at all wrong with that is because you’re one as well.

Their version of history matches the one I grew up with that is alien (until recently) to most English speakers.

Really. That’s how I feel about the historians I read as well Lucia. Trouble is, they publish in English.

Perhaps you should get over feeling as if your ancestors give you a monopoly on victimhood and some special perspicacity arising therefrom.

Such attitudes aren’t uncommon but when they’re washed the unvarnished truth normally levels them out.
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October 10, 2014 10:24pm
Shawn Herles

No, DPF has not given me moderated status, and I would say no in the unlikely event that he did.

You really should stop drinking the conspiracy koolaid.
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October 10, 2014 10:26pm
Shawn Herles

So, your taking up urban liberal-elitist bigotry now Reid?

Nice. And that fits with your claim to be a conservative how?
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October 10, 2014 10:31pm
Reid

No, DPF has not given me moderated status, and I would say no in the unlikely event that he did.

Well that’s one less obstruction to truth, justice and the New Zealand way…

You really should stop drinking the conspiracy koolaid.

You really should educate yourself on what that is really about since that comment indicates you understand nothing about it.

your taking up urban liberal-elitist bigotry now Reid?

What the hell is that?

P.S. I can’t wait for the explanation.
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October 10, 2014 10:32pm
Shawn Herles

Oh puhleeease. I have read plenty of conspiracy sites. Next to the articles on how evil the West is and how glorious it’s enemies are, are articles about the earth being hollow and aliens taking over the government.

Swallowing that crap does not require intelligence or education, just a willingness to be gullible.
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October 10, 2014 10:37pm
Lucia Maria

Perhaps you should get over feeling as if your ancestors give you a monopoly on victimhood and some special perspicacity arising therefrom.

Such attitudes aren’t uncommon but when they’re washed the unvarnished truth normally levels them out.

How interesting… it bothers you that both my parents have a very different experience of Russia than the one you are trying to sell. That would inconvenient, having survivors around to stick their head up and say, we recognise this method of warfare. Not directly of course, since my Dad has now passed away, but through me his witness still lives.
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October 10, 2014 10:38pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HaqZg8v4gU
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October 10, 2014 10:39pm
Reid

I have read plenty of conspiracy sites.

No you haven’t.

You’ve skimmed them without even understanding what they are saying. You couldn’t elucidate the slightest thing.

If you think you can, elucidate WWII in 50 words, from the conspiracy perspective.

Go on.

Anyone who’s READ it as opposed to saying they’ve read it, can do that.

And of course it’s the old story. If you can’t understand what that world is saying, then how can you possibly hallucinate you have anything whatsoever intelligent to say about it?

And BTW Shawn, I elucidate the world you live in, all the fucking time, with the vast vast majority of my comments.

So go ahead, elucidate mine, in 50 words. It’s simple. Go on.
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October 10, 2014 10:40pm
Shawn Herles

In a nutshell Lucia, Reid believes his conspiracy web sites are more reliable than your families real world experience.

Says it all really. If reality intrudes on Reid’s propaganda, he chooses the propaganda over reality.
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October 10, 2014 10:42pm
Shawn Herles

No Reid, you elucidate nothing at all. You read crap on the web and mistake it for the real world. That’s all.

As to WW2, which conspiracy would you like to hear? I have read over a dozen different ones, all contradicting each other.
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October 10, 2014 10:45pm
Shawn Herles

Oh, I know you Reid. I have met plenty of people like you. You’r nothing special.
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October 10, 2014 10:47pm
Andrei

Meanwhile in the degenerate USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hZC2WfJXgw
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October 10, 2014 10:47pm
Lucia Maria

I really hoped that wasn’t the case, Shawn.

But it has to be more than that. Everyone has an anchor that they tie themselves to. What is Reid’s anchor, that’s what I want to know. Surely not those formative university years?

Back when I was in my early twenties, I read conspiracy magazines. Eventually, I decided that they just picked up anything that was out there, and just ran with it, so I decided to stop reading them. No anchor, basically, just whatever was not believed by the mainstream. That just seemed dangerous to me. You can’t make a truthful reality based on what most people don’t believe.
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October 10, 2014 10:52pm
Shawn Herles

Degenerate Russia

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ukfSD8RgtRY
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October 10, 2014 10:52pm
Shawn Herles

Meanwhile, in the US.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hkolFTgPPhE
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October 10, 2014 10:59pm
Shawn Herles

Two can play that silly game Andrei.

The difference you and I is that I do not hate or despise Russia, just it’s current leader.
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October 10, 2014 11:02pm
Andrei

Correct me if I’m wrong Shawn but that Church you linked to has broken from the mainstream American Episcopalian Church (and good on them for doing so I’d say)

As for the current leader of the Russian Federation why do you hate him?

Have you ever heard him talk in his own words – rather than BBC and CNN mistranslations?

Do you know what he has accomplished?
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October 10, 2014 11:09pm
Griff

Andrei (2,586 comments) says:
October 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
So you are proud of all that glittering gold and pageantry paid for by the needy ?
All that ornamentation is a representation of money stolen from the poor to feed the vulgar egos of the churches leaders
Like the many palaces and estates of the popes and cardinals doted all over Rome.

Jesus was disgusted by the greed of the temple and you are proud

Give it all away a wear sack cloth and ashes and I might be impressed
Until then all I see are monuments to greed, glittering baubles, tacky excesses and the massive hypocrisy of the older organized religions.
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October 10, 2014 11:13pm
Shawn Herles

Andrei,

Putin revealed himself when he said that the demise of the Soviet Union was one of the great geopolitical disasters of the 20th century.

I think Putin is obsessed with reclaimg what he thinks was lost in that, rather than focusing on what his people and country really need. And in doing so he is leading Russia into a war it cannot win.

If Putin is so concerned with saving Russia, why has he not banned abortion, given Russia’s dire demographic problems?
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October 10, 2014 11:24pm
Shawn Herles

The irony about this debate is that I have just finished ‘The Way of a Pilgrim’ for what must be the tenth or eleventh time. One of my faveourite devotional books.
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