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Manolo

Send the incompetent Messiah back to the madrasa where he studied: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/28/us-misjudged-iraqi-army-isis-threat-obama-says/
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September 29, 2014 3:13pm
Nostradamus

It’s now been eight months and we’re still waiting…

Mark my words – there are some VERY big political ‘bombs’ (as it were) about to explode on the issue of corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ that I predict will shake New Zealand, with our ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – to the very core, both nationally and internationally.

I predict that the polling of National and Prime Minister John Key will continue their downward spiral – but far more dramatically – as the NZ public increase their understanding of the corrupt, corporate control particularly of Auckland, but also New Zealand generally.

How do I know?

Because, politically, I hold the fuse and the lighter …. (as it were)

*Giggle*
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September 29, 2014 3:20pm
hj

stephieboy (2,772 comments) says:
September 29th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

hj,

My link gain and try to read it more carefully this time,
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The issue isn’t IQ the issue is the functioning of society and the justification for migrations. The fact that diversity can aid decision making may be useful in some circumstances, but to what do you ascribe the success of the Japanese trading companies?
As for Davis Duke finding support from Putnams study that is a red herring.
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September 29, 2014 3:25pm
Griff

Crocodile tears.
If three commentators post their names simultaneously I believe they appear.
The genius of the inter webby search capabilities.
If you enjoy goggling your nom de plume to see how many miss you.
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September 29, 2014 3:30pm
IGM

The fat fairy reckons he would have beaten JK. What a joke, the rainbows won’t even get a seat in 2017.
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September 29, 2014 3:35pm
Shawn Herles

Anyone wanna take bets on how long Redbaiter lasts under the new rules? ☺

About 95% of his posting content has been ruled out of bounds.
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September 29, 2014 3:40pm
stigie

Thats going to be damn sad for Reddy Shawn. Cant we just change the rules for him ?
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September 29, 2014 3:53pm
dirty harry

NZ’ers do not want a homo PM. Robertson is just being selfish. He doesn’t care what Kiwis want. He just wants to be NZ’s first homo PM and ( excuse the pun ) buggar everyone else.

Kelvin Davis..now there’s a future Labour leader and PM.
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September 29, 2014 3:53pm
Kea

Fletch (6,292 comments) says:
September 29th, 2014 at 11:20 am
Andrew Klaven on multiculturalism

So is it your belief the Jew should be removed from our “culture” ?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/
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September 29, 2014 3:58pm
Milburn35

A lot of talk of multiculturalism and what it means. I believe that if you are a NZ citizen, then you are a New Zealander, not Maori or Chinese or whatever. A Japanese restaurant is actually a restaurant that cooks Japanese food and nothing else. You don’t have to be of Japanese descent to be able to cook that type of food. How can you be a NZ citizen and go and wave the South African flag when the All Blacks are playing the Springboks or living in South Auckland for three generations and calling yourselves Pacific Islanders. Don’t want to be a New Zealander then go and live somewhere else. New Zealanders are who we are.
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September 29, 2014 3:59pm
stephieboy

hj,

“As for Davis Duke finding support from Putnam’s study that is a red herring .

Well I don’t and it is fact that and Putnams’s has found a receptive audience with the far right comes as no surprise . His study is easily open to misinterpretation by the likes of the former KKK Imperial Grand Wizard.

Think about it.!

Milburn, I believe that certain New Zealanders like you who think like you are more likely to be white think .?

Your are for e.g people of say Scots and Irish descent celebrating their origins and culture but not Japanese.?
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September 29, 2014 4:19pm
Milburn35

Stephieboy

My great great grandfather was a Scotsman. I am a New Zealander through and through and have no preference for white black brown or race. You miss the point completely!
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September 29, 2014 4:29pm
dime

God the media are sad.

On Stuff – some black lady in the US was called ugly so they turn it into a race issue.

lmao nothing to do with race, maybe youre just ugly! not cunliffe ugly! but not flash either
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September 29, 2014 4:30pm
stephieboy

Milburn35 , I take it therefore it’s not Ok in your books to celebrate the fact that you have Scot’s heritage. Similarly likewise e.g the Indian Community celebrate their heritage by Diwali soon to be celebrated in October is also not OK.?

Clarify please.?
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September 29, 2014 4:48pm
Michael

stephie,
Don’t take any notice of those down ticks, they are only giving you those down ticks to annoy you. Be like me, I don’t go back to see how many up or down ticks I have received, I mean why would I care?
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September 29, 2014 5:16pm
Milburn35

stephieboy

Why on earth should I celebrate Scottish heritage. May as well celebrate as being a descendent of the ape family if I follow your line of reasoning.
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September 29, 2014 5:23pm
Shawn Herles

Cultural heritage is important to most human beings, and for good reason. It shapes who we are, and transmits the wisdom of our respective ancestors.
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September 29, 2014 5:37pm
ross411

TV3 News, not sure about Patrick Gower’s reporting on the ISIS & Key’s change in stance. They claim he’s gone back on his word, and had some Labour numpty quoting something similar (not sure which one, Goff and Shearer may be the same person to me), then they show the before-election question/answer followed by the after-election question/answer.

They weren’t quite the same question, and while saying no before the election to the first version of the question, he said no comment to the second version.

A whole story about almost nothing made to look like a flip flop by Key. That’s tabloidesque Gower.
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September 29, 2014 6:19pm
ross411

Campbell Live tonight has Cunliffe in his first one on one. Grab some popcorn and a cold drink, the entertainment continues.
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September 29, 2014 6:21pm
ross411

Blech. Cunliffe saying the same old spin. At least Campbell is calling him on some of it.
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September 29, 2014 7:05pm
Reid

Cunliffe’s going over the top of his caucus and talking to the members and through them he’s hoping to get the unions back on board too.

Robertson’s problem is that the critical question to the faithful is that between him and Cunliffe; vs Key, Cunliffe is the only possible choice by a country mile.

And don’t expect to hear Cunliffe say that on telly, but he will be saying precisely that behind closed doors up and down the country between now and the vote.

And then he’ll just turn round to the caucus and tell them the members have spoken so they need to get with the program and shut up and who cares if they like it.
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September 29, 2014 7:18pm
hj

stephieboy (2,775 comments) says:
September 29th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

hj,

“As for Davis Duke finding support from Putnam’s study that is a red herring .

Well I don’t and it is fact that and Putnams’s has found a receptive audience with the far right comes as no surprise . His study is easily open to misinterpretation by the likes of the former KKK Imperial Grand Wizard.
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Putnam is a liberal , he sat on his study for 5 years before making it public, what does that say. He was upset the way right-wing groups were using it but that is his bad luck. His study supports part of the agenda of those groups.

As I made clear in my article “E Pluribus Unum:
Diversity and Community in the Twenty-First
Century,” immigration brings a host of benefits to
the United States, far beyond introducing cultural
and gustatory diversity. Among the benefits that
U.S. immigrants bring:

As you will see when you read “E Pluribus Unum,”
my intention is not to argue against diversity and
immigration but to point out that if we do nothing,
the reweaving of our communities may take half a
century, judging from our past experience. By focusing concertedly on bolstering social solidarity in the
decades ahead, we can dramatically shorten this
period. In this task of reintegration, the United
States should feel more confident than many other
countries. Racial and ethnic lines of division are not
drawn by God or written in our genes. They are
socially constructed, and as social constructions we
can also deconstruct them, as our own history
demonstrates.

http://www.ncl.org/publications/ncr/98-1/Putnam.pdf
Paul Krugman disagrees with him on the “manifest” benefits of immigration
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/?_r=0

as for
“Racial and ethnic lines of division are not
drawn by God or written in our genes. They are
socially constructed,” he is not acknowledging evolutionary psychology
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029708/
He is much like NZ’s social engineers who push for evermore migration and are in denial about evidence of ill effects (limits to growth).
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September 29, 2014 7:18pm
nasska

Lynn and Bob, two frequent users of an AOL chat room,
discovered that they had a lot in common. Eventually, they
abandoned the chat room for a more intimate correspondence.
After months of virtual kinkiness, the two decided to meet
each other face-to-face at a small cafe.

Lynn arrived a little late. One customer, a short, frail
man with an eye patch, sat at the back of the cafe.

“Are you Bob?” asked Lynn.

“Yes I am,” said Bob.

“Unbelievable!” Lynn exclaimed. “You told me you were tall,
dark and handsome.”

“How do you think I feel?” Bob asked, his face turning red
with shame. “You told me you were skinny, blonde,
and female!”
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September 29, 2014 8:06pm
Gulag1917

The new tolerance
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/28/princeton-professor-cultural-elite-can-no-longer-tolerate-christians/
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September 29, 2014 8:13pm
ross411

Reid (16,280 comments) says:
September 29th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Cunliffe’s going over the top of his caucus and talking to the members and through them he’s hoping to get the unions back on board too.

Robertson’s problem is that the critical question to the faithful is that between him and Cunliffe; vs Key, Cunliffe is the only possible choice by a country mile.

And don’t expect to hear Cunliffe say that on telly, but he will be saying precisely that behind closed doors up and down the country between now and the vote.

And then he’ll just turn round to the caucus and tell them the members have spoken so they need to get with the program and shut up and who cares if they like it.

He reiterated several times that he’d have Robertson as deputy. That sort of implies a caucus clean-out is not in the cards. Unless he does a flip flop after his win.
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September 29, 2014 8:22pm
Southern Raider

Everyone should look at the TV3 Facebook pits where it states Grant claimed he could have won the election. Nearly 800 comments and 99% against him. Not just because of his sexuality but also because most see him as an obnoxious back stabbing little bitch
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September 29, 2014 8:26pm
Reid

He reiterated several times that he’d have Robertson as deputy. That sort of implies a caucus clean-out is not in the cards.

No he said what he needed to say ross. To appeal to the members. To appear to them as if he was a unifier and a forgiver. All things to all people regardless of how it turns out, is Cunliffe.
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September 29, 2014 9:00pm
Johnboy

Perhaps this creature could be the new leader of the Labour Party. It’s two-faced enough and is probably smarter than either of the current contenders. 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/sheep/10558380/Lamb-tastic-arrival
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September 29, 2014 9:03pm
Kea

Johnboy, it looks like a sign of the end times. I blame progs )
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September 29, 2014 9:05pm
Johnboy

Before you ask Kea …..I NEVER HAD SEX WITH THIS LAMBS MOTHER! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:07pm
Kea

Johnboy, you stick with that story. Sheep are known liars.
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September 29, 2014 9:09pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for the link Gulag, good article.

Better than ham fisted unfunny infantile “jokes” that are so devoid of wit they’re actually completely undeserving of that appellation.
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September 29, 2014 9:13pm
Lindsay Addie

How come everyone is better behaved on the GD thread tonite? 🙂 😉
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September 29, 2014 9:17pm
Shawn Herles

Lindsay, I think the threat of the proposed new rules are starting to sink in, for some at least.
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September 29, 2014 9:23pm
Lindsay Addie

Shawn Herles,

If people get bored I have some steamy stuff that I’m reading right now that I could post and quote here……………

The September Reserve Bank monetary policy statement! 😉
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September 29, 2014 9:27pm
Kea

Shawn Herles, you are pretty cheeky using a blog to fight against freedom of expression. It is a measure of the sort of person you really are. If you don’t like what people say you can:

1. Not read it.

2. Go away.

3. Think what you like of the comment.

But no ! You want your ideology forced on others.
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September 29, 2014 9:29pm
Johnboy

Gee. I’ve commented twice about sheep and Minus hasn’t downticked me yet!

The new rules are working! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:33pm
Redbaiter

“Lindsay, I think the threat of the proposed new rules are starting to sink in, for some at least.”

Go fuck yourself you pompous vainglorious self absorbed hypocrite.
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September 29, 2014 9:36pm
Lindsay Addie

Johnboy,

We could go back to talking about that newsreader video I posted a couple of weeks ago! I do wonder if that video now breaks DPF’s new rules? 😉
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September 29, 2014 9:37pm
Reid

He’s American, RB. You know: DON’T LIE as if it’s the worst thing in the world, while wedding parties are bombed. Patronising and patriarchal.

That’s him.
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September 29, 2014 9:39pm
Johnboy

“Go fuck yourself you pompous vainglorious self absorbed hypocrite.”

True as that comment is Red I think it may fall just a smidgen outside the new guidelines!!! 🙂 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:41pm
Reid

Truth is the first casualty.
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September 29, 2014 9:42pm
Redbaiter

Reid, if “offensive” was really the hanging crime that so many progs claim it to be, this ignorant presumptuous ill mannered fucker would have been strung up and dropped through the trapdoor a thousand times over.
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September 29, 2014 9:42pm
Kea

Click on Shawn Herles name and this is what you see.

The Middle East[edit]
The Religious Right has given very strong support to the state of Israel in recent decades, encouraging support for Israel in the United States government.[76] Some have linked Israel to Biblical prophesies; for example, Ed McAteer, founder of the Moral Majority, said “I believe that we are seeing prophecy unfold so rapidly and dramatically and wonderfully and, without exaggerating, makes me breathless.”[77]

It is clear that rational debate is impossible with a person who holds such beliefs. There is always another agenda in the background, based on biblical fables. It is that agenda that colours all Shawn Herles says.
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September 29, 2014 9:44pm
Reid

Reid, if “offensive” was really the hanging crime that so many progs claim it to be

Point really is: who gets offended?

If it’s those to whom “abuse” is directed then why do they keep coming back the next day?

And if people want to look into opinion, then sorry, the only place in the world that you’re going commonly to find numerous astute and accurate public comments on NZ politics from the public is here. Since Whale decided to become a media company, his public insights have evaporated in favour of his own pontifications. That’s not what a blog is.
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September 29, 2014 9:45pm
Shawn Herles

Kea, I,m not fighting against freedom of expression at all, I’m fighting against the personal abuse.

It’s only a fantasy in your mind that anyone is trying to force their ideology on others.
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September 29, 2014 9:45pm
Johnboy

This is the way KB is meant to be. If the new rules allow the rise of the politically correct at the expense of those who say it as they see it I think I’ll just fuck off! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:46pm
Kea

There is no such emotion as “offended”.

It is simply anger and is always accompanied by demands to control others. Even if it were not a dishonest and manipulative claim, it is purely subjective and is created in the head of the one pretending offence.
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September 29, 2014 9:47pm
Lindsay Addie

Johnboy spake thus: “True as that comment is Red I think it may fall just a smidgen outside the new guidelines!!!”

It’s going to be interesting when DPF puts the new rules in place who around here is the best at composing subtle personal insults without incurring the chiefs wrath!! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:48pm
Reid

I’m fighting against the personal abuse.

Since you called me a nazi only yesterday Shawn, this is hard to believe, but I’ve forgiven you in fact I’ve never condemned you although I did shake my head at your profound confusion. But tell me, are you sorry you called me that?
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September 29, 2014 9:49pm
Johnboy

Quite right Kea. I miss old Minus already. Made me feel that I’d achieved something knowing that I’d pissed him off. 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:50pm
Kea

This is the way KB is meant to be. If the new rules allow the rise of the politically correct at the expense of those who say it as they see it I think I’ll just fuck off!

Johnboy, same here. Though some might welcome that, it will soon become an echo chamber of self validation. Once the censors get their way, they will start raising the bar and increasing their demands for censorship.

It will be nothing more than a bunch of boring intellectual cripples moaning about the godless and attacking muzzies.
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September 29, 2014 9:51pm
Johnboy

I’ve found that OberGruppenFuhrers uniform you misplaced at our last rally by the way Reid! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:53pm
Johnboy

Don’t forget the Bain thread and Pennies latest tirades agin the inhumanity of the water meter police Kea.

That will add colour to the pasty new face of KB! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:56pm
Don the Kiwi

Don’t feel bad JB.

I just downticked you so you can feel normal now. 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:56pm
Kea

More from Shawn’s link.

The Christian right is notable today for advancing socially conservative positions on issues including school prayer, intelligent design, stem cell research,[9] homosexuality,[10] contraception, abortion,[11] and pornography.[12]

Not hard to see just how invasive and controlling he wants the state to be in our lives. You WILL pray and you WILL ignore science and you WILL do as the self appointed morality police demand.

Or else !
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September 29, 2014 9:57pm
Reid

I’ve found that OberGruppenFuhrers uniform you misplaced at our last rally by the way Reid!

Excellent.

I’ve been looking forward to once again hearing people clicking their heels and shouting “Jawohl Mein Fuhrer” when they leave my humble office.

Psst. Don’t tell Shawn.
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September 29, 2014 9:58pm
Kea

Johnboy, I might pop in from time to time just to remind me of what an intellectual death religion is. 🙄
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September 29, 2014 9:59pm
Johnboy

Thanks Don. You may be a fucking Fenian but your a good fucking Fenian! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 9:59pm
Kea

“Fenian”

Johnboy, I had to Google that to see if I was “offended” or not
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September 29, 2014 10:01pm
Don the Kiwi

Hasn’t been much of that f***ing recently JB, and I’ll accept Fenian even though I’m not irish.
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September 29, 2014 10:02pm
Don the Kiwi

Anyway JB, I’d rather be fenian than atheist – then I’d have to agree with Kea. 😉

That’d be hard to handle.
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September 29, 2014 10:03pm
Redbaiter

“Not hard to see just how invasive and controlling he wants the state to be in our lives.”

There is no evidence of that.

To disapprove of something or to argue against it does not mean one immediately seeks laws to prevent it.

That kind of behavior is the province of progs.

Conservatives seek to encourage compliance through voluntary agreement, not by means of a million laws and regulations such as the people Nasska votes for have done over the last few decades.

We merely seek to advance ideas that challenge progressive orthodoxy. Its up to you whether you find any worth in these ideas.

Either way, we have every right to express ideas and whether progs agree with them or not is hardly the issue.
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September 29, 2014 10:05pm
Shawn Herles

Reid,

I don’t use Nazi as a term of abuse. I use it in your case because it fits the facts of your posts. I remember asking you for evidence of your claim that Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy, and when you failed I did my own search and the only place I could find the claim was at Stormfront, the neo-Nazi site.

That one example is just the tip of the iceberg.

You have claimed that the blood libel against the Jews is accurate. That Jews are trying to control the world. That Hitler was a better man than is generally thought, and all of on top of posting repeatedly from indisputably white supreme web sites, including one that claimed the concentration camps were not that bad.

Given all of this it is disingenuous to cry foul when people put 2 and 2 together.

Take responsibility for how your posts come across.
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September 29, 2014 10:05pm
Lindsay Addie

What I want to know is will it be ok to use one of the many Shakespearean insults from the plays on other posters?

“Thou lump of foul deformity!” or “Hang him, swaggering rascal!”
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quotes/shakespeareinsults.html

I may be wrong but many of these insults sound a lot like Redbaiters minus a few four letter words. 🙂 😉
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September 29, 2014 10:07pm
Reid

Personally I plan to stay around and not say anything cos I’m not allowed anymore but just downtick all the girly lefty comments of which this blog will become infested like gorse.

Take responsibility for how your posts come across.

Shawn, do Christians, real Christians, support the last Israeli operation against Gaza, or the one before that, or the one before that?

Ask your wife.

You CLAIM I say what you CLAIM I have said because you’re not interested in the truth.

You can’t handle the truth Shawn.

The people who rule Israel are who I said they were.

I told you numerous times this doesn’t refer to Jews in general, but you weren’t interested in listening to that.

This is why I tell you, not ask you, but tell you, you’re a patronising patriarchal yank
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September 29, 2014 10:09pm
Johnboy

Did all the normal kids pick on you when you were at school Shawn?

Did you have bad acne or did your mummy dress you in hand-knitted jumpers? 🙂
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September 29, 2014 10:10pm
Don the Kiwi

I recall someone insulting philu a few years ago – called him:

The stinking stain of anal leakage on the underpants of the world.

Very descriptive, and probably objectively appropriate at the time. 🙂

I wonder if names like “arsewipe” “poo-pusher” and “sheep-shagger” will be deemed inapropriate?

You may have a comment there JB 🙂
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September 29, 2014 10:14pm
Shawn Herles

Kea, at various times I have used my name to link to a number of Wikipedia articles on conservatism, as a means of education. The CR page is the current one, but it would be wrong to assume that it thus reflects my own policy beliefs.

If you want to know what I believe on policy, try asking me. That’s not too difficult, surely.
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September 29, 2014 10:14pm
Kea

Red, yes I thought of that point myself. But the fact is they very much do try and force it on people.

Christianity is fundamentally at odds with right wing ideology. There is a bit of common ground, but not much. Belief in imaginary beings is just as harmful as the progs belief in non-realities.
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September 29, 2014 10:15pm
Johnboy

How could I possibly be offended by being called a “sheep-shagger” Don I’ve always admitted it.

Poor Phil should be offended though, I’ve always thought him to be useful member of society.

He doe’s sterling work at The Stranded as one of the few voices of sanity there! 🙂
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September 29, 2014 10:21pm
Reid

Christianity is fundamentally at odds with right wing ideology.

There are lefties who would say the precise same thing about Christians and left wing ideology Kea, but having observed you, and them, and Christians, I can tell you you’re all wrong.
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September 29, 2014 10:21pm
Shawn Herles

“Did all the normal kids pick on you when you were at school Shawn?”

When I got to NZ that happened for about half a day at high school. But I grew up on US military bases and when my dad was away I stayed with an uncle who lived in the Florida swamps and taught me to hunt and fight.

In short, bullying didn’t work with me. ☺
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September 29, 2014 10:30pm
Johnboy

So your Mum shipped you off to your mad Uncles when your Daddy was away.

Interesting!
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September 29, 2014 10:34pm
Shawn Herles

Yup JB, and mad is not an entirely unfair description. ☺

He was a great guy though, and my time with him are some of the best childhood memories I have.
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September 29, 2014 10:47pm
Reid

I grew up on US military bases and when my dad was away I stayed with an uncle who lived in the Florida swamps and taught me to hunt and fight.

That explains a lot about you Shawn.

How to be self-righteous? Check.

How to be aggressive? Check.

How to think?

…
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September 29, 2014 10:49pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, your own claims to be free of the Matrix and to thus be able to lecture the rest of us with your anti-Jewish ranting and conspiracy theories could be said to be self-righteous.

As to “thinking” gullibly swallowing conspiracy theories is not thinking.
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September 29, 2014 10:54pm
Redbaiter

“That explains a lot about you Shawn.”

Reid- its such rank narcissism.

Even if true, who is impressed?
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September 29, 2014 10:57pm
Shawn Herles

Why would I want to impress anyone, and why would anything I said on the subject be particularly impressive? I generally could care less, especially on KB. Johnboy asked a civil question, I answered it.

On the other hand, unlike Red, I have never claimed to be a major mover and shaker on the Right who supposedly has had a massive influence on NZ. Cripes, Red even tried to take some credit for Nationals win!

Narcisistic delusions are always fascinating. ☺
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September 29, 2014 11:05pm
Reid

As to “thinking” gullibly swallowing conspiracy theories is not thinking.

Shawn it’s you who are gullible.

You don’t have any idea what I know about that subject, you couldn’t explicate it, the only thing you know about it is that millions of people think it’s nuts therefore so do you.

If you think that’s sensible then be my guest, because the very nature of the subject matter means that the evil ones will use all their resources to make people just like you think just like that.

Your problem is, you’re arrogant, so you don’t even bother to look at it. Because you can’t.

I told you.

You can’t handle the truth.
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September 29, 2014 11:12pm
Shawn Herles

You don’t know the truth Reid, just whack job anti-Jewish conspiracies that were debunked decades ago.
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September 29, 2014 11:20pm

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