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Shawn Herles

Rednutter,

For a start, I’m the only hillbilly here, and proud of it too!

Real hill folk tend to be conservative Christians, so it seems kinda dumb to call naaska one.

Still not getting your head around this concept of debate are you?
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September 28, 2014 2:08pm
Reid

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/world/asia/north-korea-kim-absent/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Kim might have health problems. He’s in his early 30’s. What sort of health problems could those be? Does anyone at all really care?

obviously Jacinda Adern cant cut the mustard in so many ways

Johnboy my little pony will be wonderful. She’s a “star.” The media tells us so, and since when have they ever been wrong?

For a start, I’m the only hillbilly here, and proud of it too!

Do you eat possum pie and sit on the porch with a shotgun and run moonshine through the district in your souped up Chev while you’re playing a banjo Shawn?
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September 28, 2014 2:11pm
Redbaiter

“Still not getting your head around this concept of debate are you?”

Why don’t you go back to living in tepee and rubbing sticks together to start a fire you barbarian. If it wasn’t for white man and civilisation you’d still sitting on your arses around campfires planning how to murder your neighbours and waiting for someone to discover the wheel.
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September 28, 2014 2:11pm
nasska

….” those are all examples of progs forcing their wishes on people who are not progs”….

Wrong. No “prog” is forcing you to marry a man, have an abortion or be euthanised. You are free to partake or refuse.

Yet, for some unbelievably arrogant reason, you hallucinate that you have the right to force the rest of us to live according to your prejudices & brain farts.
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September 28, 2014 2:12pm
Shawn Herles

There’s a lot of teeth gnashing going on at the Stranded JB. It’s very entertaining, but does make me wonder about the mental health of some of them.
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September 28, 2014 2:13pm
Redbaiter

“Yet, for some unbelievably arrogant reason, you hallucinate that you have the right to force the rest of us to live according to your prejudices & brain farts.”

Bullshit.

You’re a fucking madman who wouldn’t listen to reason if someone was stupid enough to try it with you.

You’re just a blind smug bigoted OCD suffering one track troll who needs to find somewhere else to express their never ending insanity.
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September 28, 2014 2:14pm
Johnboy

Come on now Shawn. I’m the only folk I know that lives atop Wainui Mountain.

I’m certain I was a hillbilly long before you came on the scene! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:15pm
nasska

….”Why don’t you go back to living in tepee and rubbing sticks together to start a fire you barbarian”….

The art of intelligent debate as demonstrated by an authoritarian wingnut. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:16pm
Shawn Herles

The Cherokee lived in wood long houses Rednut, not teepees. Idiot.

As to the contribution of white folks, look up the Trail of Tears.

But at least you have outed yourself as a racist loon. Not that I’m surprised.
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September 28, 2014 2:16pm
Johnboy

Most of us real mountain men use “Little Lucifers” nasska! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:18pm
Shawn Herles

I bow to your superior hillbillyness JB! ☺
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September 28, 2014 2:18pm
Redbaiter

“But at least you have outed yourself as a racist loon.”

You made your own race an issue long before anyone else.

But not all of us buy into that noble savage bullshit.

Its just more Marxist crap and as usual you’re right into it.
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September 28, 2014 2:18pm
Johnboy

You can light wet wood with them.
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September 28, 2014 2:18pm
stephieboy

“What are the four primary characteristics most associated with those Americans sympathetic to the Tea Party? “Authoritarianism, ontological insecurity (fear of change), libertarianism and nativism.”,”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/study-tea-party-members-cultural-dispositions-authoritarianism-fear-of-change-libertarianism-and-nativism

This is also a useful way of interpreting and understanding the American Christian Right.
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September 28, 2014 2:19pm
Johnboy

If only Torquemada had some think of how many more progs and heretics he could have burned!

Even on wet days! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:21pm
Reid

“What are the four primary characteristics most associated with those NZers sympathetic to the Gween Party?

Galloping mentalism, tendency to bray like a donkey, more galloping mentalism, arrogance, supercilliousness, sanctimony, even more galloping mentalism, tendency to think like a donkey, dumber than a box of hair.

This is also a useful way of interpreting and understanding all lefties, not that anyone wants to, I mean given the above, why would ya?

Sorry stephie, I couldn’t quite get it in four.

Even on wet days!

That’s probably why they invented the ducking stool Johnboy.
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September 28, 2014 2:23pm
Redbaiter

“The art of intelligent debate as demonstrated by an authoritarian wingnut.”

Says the small minded uneducated dirt farmer who receives most of his income from the state and who just voted two ticks for Helen Clark in a suit and the biggest socialist govt ever in NZ’s history.

A rank hypocrite and too stupid to ever know it.
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September 28, 2014 2:24pm
Johnboy

Anyway. What’s the prediction for the survivial of Turtle Head against the forces of Queerdom next week? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:26pm
stephieboy

johnboy, if Torquemada and the inquisition had there way as you seem to suggest then we would be still right back in there with them.

That is the logical consequence of the Christian Right for you.

Red, especially for you ,”The Conspiracy Theory Detector.” ,

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-director/
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September 28, 2014 2:26pm
Shawn Herles

“Not all of us buy into that Marxist noble savage crap.”

The fact that you think Native Americans who value their heritage are buying into Marxism is proof that your an idiot of epic proportions. Your thinking, such as it is, is so narrow and poorly informed that you are incapable of actually seeing that your ignorant, knuckle dragging racism and Marxist identity poltics are not only two ways of looking at things.

That is just plain stupidity.

And my understanding of Cherokee culture and history is based on facts, not Marxism. I can happily do without Marxism and your pig ignorant racism.
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September 28, 2014 2:31pm
Johnboy

Jeeze Red. You have made me feel almost apologetic for two ticks National!

Who should I have voted for? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:32pm
Shawn Herles

Red, your not a conservative, just a clown on the net pretending to be.
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September 28, 2014 2:34pm
nasska

….”Who should I have voted for?”…..

Colin the Cracked was Baity’s chosen vehicle for revolution JB. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:35pm
Johnboy

Quite so Shawn. The native Americans hardly ever scalped their victims and cooked and ate their babies. We have have a lot to learn from the noble savage. Hone was trying to teach us all that stuff till he got rolled! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:35pm
Redbaiter

“That is just plain stupidity.”

Posting doctored extracts from what other people have written is the work of cheats and cowards without any self respect. Your noble savage act is just cheap artifice. The reality is you’re just cheap half civilised lowlife.
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September 28, 2014 2:35pm
Lindsay Addie

Johnboy 2.26pm said,

The Labour leadership wrangle won’t be over till closer to Xmas.

Also there is actually too much emphasis from commentators and pundits on the leadership issue. Labour have got their tits in a tangle about any number of the key factors that are involved in being a successful political party. Leadership being one of them.

On a separate matter. What’s up with all religious stuff here at KB recently mixed in with endless quotations of Hitler? All it does is clog up the general debate with long winded posts. I thought this was a political blog not a forum to waffle on endlessly about religion.
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September 28, 2014 2:37pm
Reid

That is the logical consequence of the Christian Right for you.

No stephie, that’s your illogical hallucination of what you fantasise about the Christian Right, and since you don’t know anyone from it plus you’re a Gweenie, it’s most unlikely you’re going to be correct, isn’t it. But your overwhelming arrogance prevents you from seeing that, doesn’t it.

Anyway. What’s the prediction for the survivial of Turtle Head against the forces of Queerdom next week?

I think it’s called gaydom Johnboy. That’s my understanding anyway. Why don’t gays just change their names to say, Gaylord as part of the coming out ceremony. That’d make it a lot easier for everyone wouldn’t it.

As to Turtle Head, he’ll be a cancerous and corrosive influence until around say, the end of January, then they’ll finally expel him and everyone will clap and cheer. My little pony and Gaylord will reign supreme over the holy mess that’s modern-day Liarbore while master-marketer Bob Harvey waves his new brand lipstik around and everyone pretends dear ole Labour is in fact a wonderful new creation that will carry the workers hopes and dreams to glorious victory.
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September 28, 2014 2:37pm
Redbaiter

“Who should I have voted for?”

Like the lunatic Marxist prog Narsekissa did JB, you should vote for the party that you consider most represents your own political views.
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September 28, 2014 2:39pm
Shawn Herles

Nope Red, I nailed your inability to think beyond your tiny little boxes. Your definitions of “liberal” and “conservative” and “socialist” change constantly depending on whatever fatuous argument you are making. There is no consistency because there is no depth to your thinking. It’s all just shallow slogans and the angry posturing of a wimp who talks tough but does not have the balls to back it up.
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September 28, 2014 2:43pm
mandk

nasska: “No “prog” is forcing you to marry a man, have an abortion or be euthanised. You are free to partake or refuse.”

How many pre-born babies are given the freedom to elect to be aborted?
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September 28, 2014 2:43pm
Johnboy

“Gaydom”. Reid, thats a good word. So when Grant inherits the Labour Party Kingdom it will turn into a “Queendom”.

Fintan Patrick Walsh will be steadily burrowing through that two ton slab of concrete the sensible comrades put on top of his tomb to make sure he never got out again! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:43pm
Johnboy

I seek guidance from you Red and you fob me off again!

Stand up and be counted man….give me a straight answer!
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September 28, 2014 2:45pm
Redbaiter

” I nailed your inability ”

You nailed nothing except your own skin to the wall as an exhibition of someone so stunted in intellect they can’t appreciate the difference between fact and unsupported assertion. Fuck off you boring obsessive low IQ half civilised self absorbed windbag.
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September 28, 2014 2:46pm
Johnboy

Afternoon Minus. Slept in did you? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:47pm
Redbaiter

“Stand up and be counted man….give me a straight answer!”

I gave you a straight answer.

You’re happy with the status quo so you voted for more of it.

What the fuck is confusing about that?
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September 28, 2014 2:48pm
Shawn Herles

Red, admit it, you have no facts to rest on, just slogans you don’t think too deeply about. Your intellectual inability to hold a debate with me for more than a couple of posts is proof that I have you nailed to the wall. Face it boy, your well out of your depth here and just flailing about with silly insults.
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September 28, 2014 2:49pm
nasska

….”How many pre-born babies are given the freedom to elect to be aborted?”….

The abortion question is one to be answered by each & every woman on a case by case basis. I am certainly not comfortable with abortion in lieu of contraception but a blanket ban is gross invasion on a woman’s rights to her own body.

You don’t have to bring up the child who in some cases may be grossly impaired or deformed……nor do I. Therefore neither of us has the right to pontificate or limit another’s choice.
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September 28, 2014 2:50pm
stephieboy

Reid , just another important reminder,

What kind of Twoofer are you .?,

Mapping the Truther Mind: Pushing the Stupidity Envelope

http://mightierthanthepen.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/mapping-the-truther-mind-pushing-the-stupidity-envelope/
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September 28, 2014 2:52pm
Redbaiter

“Face it boy, your [sic] well out of your depth here”

What you need to do is get back in your canoe and paddle back to your tribal lands before you get run over by a nuclear powered battleship.
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September 28, 2014 2:53pm
Johnboy

Not enough useless males get themselves fitted with a docking ring on their cocks nasska. That’s where the problem arise’s.

I couldn’t possibly comment on their hue of course! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:55pm
Reid

stephie, just another important reminder.

I don’t answer questions coming from complete mentals.

It only encourages you and frankly mate, the last thing the world needs is even more galloping mentals braying all over the place. I mean aren’t Gween politicians doing a good enough job for you in that dept? Do you HAVE to join in? Do you just hate the world, is that it?
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September 28, 2014 2:56pm
nasska

If you have the time I have the elastrators & a good supply of rings JB. I reckon if we could get Bill English to hand out cheques for $10K per nut we’d have the useless breeders lined up in queue a mile long. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:57pm
Shawn Herles

JB I can answer the question Red is too gutless to.

Red’s strategy for the Right is to copy all the mistakes of the Left.

First, factionalize the Right even further.

Second, create a tiny “true Right” that shuns anything else impure.

Third, spend the rest of our lives wondering why the Left always wins and blaming media bias for the fact that middle NZ does not support us.

In short, Red wants the Right to fail.

So he does not care who you vote for because messy things like democracy get in the way of ” True Right purity” and are not relevant to Red’s strategy for eternal failure.
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September 28, 2014 2:58pm
Redbaiter

“Therefore neither of us has the right to pontificate or limit another’s choice.”

Another braindead utterance from an OCD suffering loon with the intellectual ability of a garden snail. If you had the means to know what you were saying rather than just spout tired old hillbilly hippy clichés, you’d see that platitude for the gormless meaningless prog shit it really is. There’s at least three errors of logic in that simple minded idiocy.
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September 28, 2014 2:58pm
Johnboy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_%28BB-61%29

Last of them all Red. Sadly never repowered by nuclear! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 2:58pm
thedavincimode

russell

You’ve articulated such a compelling and well-reasoned case for your political cause here today that you should consider compiling a compendium of your own best bits before you start on mine. I won’t be offended. Even just today’s insightful gems warrant being saved for posterity so that there can be no doubt what you’re selling and what you stand for.
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September 28, 2014 3:00pm
Shawn Herles

Does Red know that NZ has no nuclear powered battleships?
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September 28, 2014 3:01pm
Scott Chris

If it wasn’t for white man and civilisation you’d still sitting on your arses around campfires planning how to murder your neighbours

Oh yeah, the Greeks and the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians were all white weren’t they. 🙄
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September 28, 2014 3:02pm
Shawn Herles

Actually, does Red know that battleships were not nuclear powered anywhere?

What a silly little man!☺
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September 28, 2014 3:04pm
stephieboy

Reid, me hate the World.? No I just don’t take conspiracy nut jobs like you seriously at all.

Its that simple.!
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September 28, 2014 3:04pm
Nostradamus

St. Thomas Aquinas — “To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

And that, folks, is why debating religion on Kiwiblog general debate threads is pointless. Neither side will agree with the other. And it’s tediously boring for everyone else.
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September 28, 2014 3:04pm
Redbaiter

“you should consider compiling a compendium of your own best bets before you start on mine.”

Well, I’m sure whatever I might say its of a lot less interest to the public than the dirty politics of Jason Eade.
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September 28, 2014 3:04pm
thedavincimode

Does Red know that NZ has no nuclear powered battleships?

Have you not heard of Michelle Boag Shawn?
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September 28, 2014 3:05pm
Johnboy

Some (on the left of the politcal spectrum) would suggest Helen was nuclear powered Shawn despite Lange banning that sort of stuff. She may return yet and nuke the pretenders. Then we will know for sure! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:05pm
thedavincimode

russell

Don’t bother including that last one. It comes across a little bit bitchy, but then …
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September 28, 2014 3:06pm
Redbaiter

“And that, folks, is why debating religion on Kiwiblog general debate threads is pointless. Neither side will agree with the other. And it’s tediously boring for everyone else.”

Tell that to the OCD suffering fuckwit Narsekissa. He’s the limp dicked troll who wants to do it all day every day.
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September 28, 2014 3:06pm
Redbaiter

“a little bit bitchy”

That’s funny coming from someone whose preferred method of engagement is handbags at five paces.
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September 28, 2014 3:08pm
thedavincimode

Yes, that’s the sort of thing you want to include russ – the last two.
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September 28, 2014 3:08pm
Johnboy

“He’s the limp dicked troll who wants to do it all day every day.”

That seems to be a contradiction in terms Red? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:08pm
Shawn Herles

I think I can see her sailing into port now JB. Hmmm, for some reason she does not look happy! ☺
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September 28, 2014 3:09pm
thedavincimode

Nostradamus

I foretell that there will be no religious debate on Kiwiblog.

However, I also foretell that there will be plenty more religious abuse.
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September 28, 2014 3:10pm
Redbaiter

“I think I can see here sailing into port now JB.”

Maybe you can trade her some buffalo tooth necklaces for blankets.
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September 28, 2014 3:10pm
Johnboy

I wonder why Shawn? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:10pm
Shawn Herles

Face it Red, even if it was just handbags at dawn you would still run away like a dickless coward.
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September 28, 2014 3:11pm
thedavincimode

Was that you JB? Have you got a little thing for Michelle? 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:11pm
Johnboy

One thing you can say about Helen was that she was very into discipline. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:12pm
Shawn Herles

There were no buffalo in the Eastern US Red. Idiot.
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September 28, 2014 3:12pm
Johnboy

She used to have a good rack Leonardo. That’s enough for a Johnboy to like her! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:13pm
thedavincimode

You are so shallow 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:14pm
Johnboy

Fuck I just realised I might to 16000 today if I dont get banned! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:15pm
Nostradamus

Redbaiter:

I can’t speak for others, obviously, but I come to Kiwiblog to be informed and entertained – in that order. But, for me, the ongoing (and abusive) religious debate has become highly repetitive. It certainly isn’t informative or entertaining. Small mercies perhaps: we don’t have UglyTruth spouting his usual nonsense.

DPF wrote on 2 September:

As I previously indicated, I plan to make some changes around moderation of comments effective 1 October. While I am firm in deciding to make change (and it is my blog) I am keen for feedback on various changes that may or may not be made. I plan to do this via a series of posts discussing some issues.

I haven’t seen anything like “a series of posts” from DPF on this issue. I don’t know what DPF has planned, but hopefully it takes Kiwiblog to a slightly better place.
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September 28, 2014 3:17pm
Scott Chris

Poe’s Law states:

Without a clear indication of the author’s intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.
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September 28, 2014 3:18pm
thedavincimode

hopefully it takes Kiwiblog to a slightly better place

The south of France?
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September 28, 2014 3:19pm
Harriet

“….One thing you can say about Helen was that she was very into discipline….”

Some people are prepared to pay very good money for women just like her JB.

That’s progs for you. 😎
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September 28, 2014 3:19pm
Johnboy

Wainui is nice on a fine day! 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:20pm
Shawn Herles

I enjoy religious debates, but I agree that on KB they have become pretty pointless and repetitive. What can be said has been said, and there is little point to rehashing the same lines over and over, atheist or religious ones.
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September 28, 2014 3:21pm
thedavincimode

Is there a Relais & Chateau in Wainui JB?
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September 28, 2014 3:21pm
Griff

“fuckwit Narsekissa. He’s the limp dicked troll”
Graphic portrait of a conservative raving loony’s command of English, fertile, imagination and reasoning ability.
Did any hear about the real hillbilly’s having a massive drunken brawl?
Sarah Palin and her clan of yokels are such good examples of trailer trash conservatives.
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September 28, 2014 3:23pm
Johnboy

We should raise the tone of the place above religion and talk about rooting more on KB. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:23pm
Redbaiter

“the ongoing (and abusive) religious debate has become highly repetitive. ”

Progs get away with anything in the blogosphere and even here on Kiwiblog where a repetitive insulting troll like Nasska or a false complaint maker like Big Bruv SUFFER NO FUCKING CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS EVER.

Conversely Conservatives have to walk on eggshells for the slightest infraction will see the all so tolerant progs running to make their cowardly anonymous complaints, such as when I received 30 demerits for the term “fuckwit” or another 20 for a harmless joke about Michelle Obama. (from Jason).

Conservatives are constantly faced with the troling bigotry of Progressives and if DPF really wants to do anything about “standards” (whatever that means) on this blog he should start there.
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September 28, 2014 3:23pm
Johnboy

My Chateau is pretty laid back and relaised once we all sink a couple of jars Leonardo so I would say a definite yes to your inquiry. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:25pm
nasska

It is a niche market created by child beating & religious brain washing Harriet.

Still it’s a nice little earner for dominatrices & whip makers. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:26pm
Redbaiter

BTW, Jason’s foul behaviour on this blog shouldn’t be excused just because he’s a mate of Farrar’s.

He’s one of the foulest and most cowardly trolls on here.
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September 28, 2014 3:27pm
Shawn Herles

And conservatives face the trolling bigotry of racist loons like Red who think conservatism is a movement for white people only.
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September 28, 2014 3:28pm
thedavincimode

Actually russ, thanks for reminding me. The comment I recall seeing simply described M Obama as a gorilla. I hadn’t realised it was a joke; why didn’t you say so? And a very clever joke it must have been because you appear to have hidden the rest of it in other posts, when all I saw was the punchline.
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September 28, 2014 3:29pm
Redbaiter

You’re just another Marxist being beaten hollow by the left Jase.
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September 28, 2014 3:31pm
nasska

Look on the bright side Baity. You no longer have to worry about being 80 demerits off a four month holiday & can start again with a fresh slate.

Seems a little unfair to the rest of us who don’t foam at the mouth & offer profane inanities to Kiwiblog’s readership but there we have it. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:31pm
thedavincimode

He’s one of the foulest and most cowardly trolls on here.

That should definitely be included along with the rest of your pearls from today.

Include that in the chapter entitled: “Michelle Obama Jokes and Self Parody”.
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September 28, 2014 3:32pm
Redbaiter

Wow, Narsekissa, just a few comments ago you were deliriously whining about having your choices limited, and now here you are advocating for and cheering on censorship like the good little bigoted Marxist hypocrite you really are.
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September 28, 2014 3:33pm
Shawn Herles

Someone should explain the words “trolling” and “bigoted” to Red. He seems oblivious to the fact that both words describe most of his posts.
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September 28, 2014 3:37pm
nasska

….”advocating for and cheering on censorship”……

Not in the slightest Baity…..I’m happy that you’re being given an escape route from the certainty of an impending ban.

Training up a new blog bitch would be too much trouble. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:37pm
thedavincimode

Have you thought about the title? How about:

“My Beautiful Life – How I Won the Battle Against Homo Prog Commies”

by Russell “Redknob” Fletcher, retired toll protestor of Tauranga.
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September 28, 2014 3:38pm
Redbaiter

That’s funny Narsekissa. If anyone is anyone’s bitch, you with your OCD are the Christian’s.
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September 28, 2014 3:39pm
Redbaiter

Oh gosh, Mr. Eade is starting his Tauranga bullshit again.

Always a certain giveaway Jason.

You’re embarrassed by your own hopeless cowardice.
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September 28, 2014 3:41pm
thedavincimode

That’s funny Narsekissa. If anyone is anyone’s bitch, you with your OCD are the Christian’s.

Don’t forget this chapter: “Great Comeback Lines”
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September 28, 2014 3:41pm
Reid

Don’t know why you guys have a problem with RB. Trolling is being disingenuous, RB’s not and never has been that.

Kea maybe, but not RB.

Anyway who cares. There’s a scroll button, use it.
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September 28, 2014 3:42pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t know why you guys have a problem with RB.”

They have a problem because I can defeat them every time with logic and reason, and they know that, so they avoid it as much as possible when engaging with me.
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September 28, 2014 3:43pm
thedavincimode

You’re embarrassed by your own hopeless cowardice.

Should that go in the Foreword when you explain why you post anonymously, or in the chapter: “Really Sticking It to Them”?
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September 28, 2014 3:44pm
nasska

….”I can defeat them every time with logic and reason”….

That can be the subject of your penultimate chapter entitled “My Hope for the Future”. 🙂
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September 28, 2014 3:46pm
Harriet

“….Sarah Palin and her clan of yokels are such good examples of trailer trash…”

She didn’t abort that mentally disabled kid of hers Griff. People with disabillities and their parents aren’t trailer trash.
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