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Inthisdress

Today’s essay question:

“I was dropping my daughter off at creche and a very upset teacher ran up to me and demanded to know why the Greens were supporting National. Multiply her out thousands of times across the country and you’re looking at serious damage.”
(Danyl – Dim Post)

In your opinion, is this disturbing, does it require canned laughter, and if so on what level?
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September 24, 2014 8:04am
oldpark

Labour’s leadership fiasco. .Maybe rumours that Cunliffe is caught up in the” eternal triangle”,does not a good leader make.
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September 24, 2014 8:05am
Left Right and Centre

This brave and heroic mother needs a national day named after her

Mother-of-six Lucy Knight, 43, suffered serious head injuries when she tried to stop the bag-snatch at an Auckland supermarket yesterday, the NZ Herald reported.

She was knocked to the ground and sustained a fractured skull and bleeding to the brain.

New Zealand in 2014 – criminals robbing you at a supermarket entrance during the day with people around.
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September 24, 2014 8:08am
Lindsay Addie

Some brain food for David Cunliffe:

“A good leader can engage in a debate frankly and thoroughly, knowing that at the end he and the other side must be closer, and thus emerge stronger. You don’t have that idea when you are arrogant, superficial, and uninformed.” Nelson Mandela
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September 24, 2014 8:12am
ross411

TV3, Firstline: Paul Galter from NZEI was on this morning. Basically wittered on for five minutes saying how evidence was needed, and communication was important but the schools should decide about education policy. Which policy I have no idea. All I know is that schools and teachers should decide policy.
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September 24, 2014 8:13am
Brian Smaller

The ironic thing is that if you interceded in the robbery and struck the robber and they ended up with a fractured skull you would almost certainly be in court yourself with the Police prosecution bankrupting you as you try to defend yourself.
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September 24, 2014 8:14am
ross411

Left Right and Centre (2,956 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:08 am
This brave and heroic mother needs a national day named after her

No. Too many named days, weeks and months, and even years exist already. It’s meaningless.

If you’re going to give her a reward, make it a meaningful meaningless one. Turf a useless sporting and business loser out of the honours list and give her a knighthood or whatever. Knighthoods are meaningless, they give them to anyone. Take knighthoods back and give one to someone who actually did something real.
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September 24, 2014 8:16am
duggledog

Darien Fenton on Morning Report not really prepared to accept Labour has shifted too far to the left, but she’s willing to have that discussion.

God they just… don’t… get it do they. Long may it last.
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September 24, 2014 8:17am
waikatosinger

This would be a brilliant time for a poll on who people think would make the best Labour leader.
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September 24, 2014 8:17am
Yvette

Dotcom’s “Moment of Truth” email

Electoral Act 1993 – 218 Undue influence
(1) Every person is guilty of a corrupt practice who commits the offence of undue influence.  (2) Every person commits the offence of undue influence who—

(a)  directly or indirectly, by himself or herself or by any other person on his or her behalf, makes use of or threatens to make use of any force, violence, or restraint, or inflicts or threatens to inflict, by himself or herself or by any other person, any temporal or spiritual injury, damage, harm, or loss upon or against any person, in order to induce or compel that person to vote for or against a particular candidate or party or to vote or refrain from voting, or on account of that person having voted for or against a particular candidate or having voted or refrained from voting; or

(b)  by abduction, duress, or any fraudulent device or contrivance, impedes or prevents the free exercise of the franchise of an elector, or thereby compels, induces, or prevails upon an elector either to vote or to refrain from voting.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM310403.html
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Crimes Act 1961 – Section 257
Using forged documents
1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who, knowing a document to be forged,—
a) uses the document to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
b) uses, deals with, or acts upon the document as if it were genuine; or
c) causes any other person to use, deal with, or act upon it as if it were genuine.

2) For the purposes of this section, a document made or altered outside New Zealand in a manner that would have amounted to forgery if the making or alteration had been done in New Zealand is to be regarded as a forged document.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/4.0/096be8ed80124eec.pdf

• What is the position now of the use by Kim Dotcom of the “Warner Bros Kevin Tsujihara / MPAA Michael Ellis” email, a reported forged document, to attempt to influence the outcome of the New Zealand 2014 Election?
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September 24, 2014 8:18am
ross411

Inthisdress (205 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:04 am
Today’s essay question:

“I was dropping my daughter off at creche and a very upset teacher ran up to me and demanded to know why the Greens were supporting National. Multiply her out thousands of times across the country and you’re looking at serious damage.”
(Danyl – Dim Post)

In your opinion, is this disturbing, does it require canned laughter, and if so on what level?

Another data point in favour of all parties being green, and the Green Party needing to be an extreme position to distinguish itself.

In this case, when a Green vote is considered to be an anti-National vote, then it cannot be considered to be a rational vote for serious green policies. True green politicians and supporters shouldn’t discriminate against the source.
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September 24, 2014 8:20am
duggledog

That’s right Brian Smaller.

Remember that brave Christian father of three who tried to intervene in Mr and Mrs Rock Ape’s Albert Street domestic and got killed for his efforts? I’ll certainly never forget it.

I thought many times whether I would have had the courage to intervene; at the end of the day, given the size of him, I would probably have called the cops and just tried to be a decent eye witness. Maybe throw a piece of wood at him so he gave chase to me.

I’ve got kids myself, and my job is to provide for them and the Mrs, and most importantly, go home every night. Was it Shackleton who said ‘Better a live donkey than a dead lion’
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September 24, 2014 8:21am
Lindsay Addie

Courtesy of Claire Trevett here is a rundown of the fratricidal gaggles of enemies and rivals in the Labour caucus.

• Camp Cunliffe: David Cunliffe, Iain Lees-Galloway, Nanaia Mahuta, Sue Moroney, Carmel Sepuloni, Su’a William Sio, Louisa Wall.
• Another candidate: Jacinda Ardern, David Clark, Clayton Cosgrove, Clare Curran, Kelvin Davis, Ruth Dyson, Kris Faafoi, Phil Goff, Chris Hipkins, Annette King, Andrew Little, Trevor Mallard, Stuart Nash, Damien O’Connor, David Parker, Grant Robertson, David Shearer, Rino Tirikatene, Phil Twyford, Megan Woods.
• Unknown: Peeni Henare, Adrian Rurawhe, Jenny Salesa, Meka Whaitiri, Poto Williams.
• Possible contenders: David Cunliffe, Grant Robertson, Stuart Nash, David Shearer, David Parker.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330244

Anyone care to try and make sense out of all that and explain it to me? 🙂
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September 24, 2014 8:23am
Keeping Stock

Troubling news from across the ditch:

An 18-year-old man has been shot dead by counter-terrorism police and two policemen have been stabbed in Melbourne’s outer south-east.

Police said the two officers met the 18-year-old outside the Endeavour Hills police station before he lashed out at the officers with a sharp instrument. He then ran towards the police station and was shot.

Onlookers at the scene — who did not want to be named — said the dead man had been shouting insults at Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Australian government in general in the moments before he was shot.

The two stabbed officers, one from Victoria Police and one from the Australian Federal Police, were working together as part of a joint operation on counter-terrorism between the AFP and Victoria Police. The operation is believed to have been running for the past two to three years.

Police say the man was involved in an ongoing investigation, but AFP Commander Bruce Giles would not confirm whether the 18-year-old’s passport was among those that had been suspended, as had been reported.

However, he said, reports the man had been displaying Islamic State flags in the lead-up to police contacting him appeared to be correct.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/one-dead-two-stabbed-in-endeavour-hills-20140923-3gfsr.html#ixzz3EAjPOTm4

The escalation of violence by Islamic State extremists is a huge worry.
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September 24, 2014 8:23am
ross411

Lindsay Addie (1,417 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:12 am
Some brain food for David Cunliffe:

“A good leader can engage in a debate frankly and thoroughly, knowing that at the end he and the other side must be closer, and thus emerge stronger. You don’t have that idea when you are arrogant, superficial, and uninformed.”

Lindsay, is that really Labour specific? Really, isn’t the perceived and resulting acted role of a NZ government opposition party, to try and undermine the governing party? Wouldn’t a party who opposed in this manner be considered a lightweight version of the party they were engaging in “opposition” with?
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September 24, 2014 8:24am
Lindsay Addie

Ross411,

The quote is meant to refer to the current Labour internal strife. But yes you’re right.

Looking at the big picture it troubles me that the main opposition party is so weak. It’s not a good thing when this happens in NZ politics.
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September 24, 2014 8:31am
Left Right and Centre

Just one more, promise . . .

The theft of the family’s gates marked the seventh time that they had been burgled since moving into their Lyttelton St home in 2006, but O’Brien-Anderson said their neighbourhood was a good one.

Almost one burglary a year qualifies as a good NZ suburb in 2014. Hmmm . . . . ok.
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September 24, 2014 8:33am
kowtow

keeping stock

You’re nothing but an Islamophobe.It’s Tony Abbott’s fault,closely followed by George Bush. And that poor 18 year old child was excluded by Australian society which we all know is racist and it’s a Jewish plot ,funded from New York.And the Twin Towers was a CIA plot too.And Zionism is more evil than ISIS who are simply a grouping of young idealistic romanticists ,like the Brigaders in the Spanish Civil war and if international trawlers hadn’t taken all of Somalia’s fish there’d be no piracy.

Did I mention that Islam is a religion of peace?
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September 24, 2014 8:36am
flash2846

Should we tell Labour/Greens the truth about their failure?

” YOU TOLD TOO MANY LIES!” end of story.
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September 24, 2014 8:37am
hj

Listening to the Radio NZ news item about the car park good Samaritan (with the fractured skull) who helped the elderly *Asian* woman. If you wanted a description you had to see the (police) web site. RadioNZ has avoided mentioning the ethnicity.
What if the good Samaritan had been Maori?
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September 24, 2014 8:40am
EAD

Two interesting and pertinent articles in the Telegraph Finance section.

1) A British view on the National Government, praising it for its great economic management: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117207/New-Zealand-shows-the-UK-how-tax-cuts-can-revive-our-economy.html

“In New Zealand, John Key’s National Party romped home to victory on a platform of cutting taxes and balancing the budget, trouncing a Labour opposition that promised to put up taxes. Slashing the top rate of tax has revived the economy, and been rewarded with electoral success as well”

2) Highlights the increasing trend how wealthy people are getting out of paper fiat money and swapping it for real money – Gold http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11104055/Super-rich-rush-to-buy-Italian-Job-style-gold-bars.html

“Gold is like a fire alarm. It loudly signals when things are wrong with a currency. If gold price goes to $10 000 an ounce it doesn’t only mean the price of gold has gone up; it also signals the value of the dollar has gone down. The people in charge of the US dollar don’t like this prospect; so it’s best to turn the fire alarm off. This is – at the moment – easiest done by selling billions of dollars of paper gold (and silver) at 2 am when the markets are thin. Why would anyone do this if they wanted a good price? And who can afford to do this? Only central banks who can then turn on the printing presses to cover their losses. But, each time the price goes down, certain entities, such as Chine & Russia, buy the paper which they immediately demand to convert into bullion. One day soon there will be no bullion available to satisfy this demand. Gold will then be repriced. Quite soon, I think.”
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September 24, 2014 8:41am
G152

Poor old Goneliffe.
No-one understands
No-one appreciates…..
blah blah blah.
Dead man walking
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September 24, 2014 8:43am
waikatogirl

Generation Y Dubbed Property Orphans:
According to property analyists generation Y aren’t applying for mortgages in the same numbers and will be renting for the rest of their lives.
It turns out however that they are running up debt on credit cards and personal loans like never before, to spend on clothing, lifestyle and expensive holidays.

Imagine that, you spend More than you earn on the good life, then whine that you can’t afford to buy your own house!
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September 24, 2014 8:45am
EAD

Hi Waikato Girl

re house price rises, this is a very good read:
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2013/4/29/rising-house-prices-are-a-central-bank-scam.html

Apologies for the long cut and paste:

“It’s odd, but Americans get happier when the roofs over their heads get harder to afford. Over the past hundred years or so, Americans have come to see houses not just as another commodity which should be getting cheaper over time thanks to market forces, but as a government-aided “investment” that makes them better off by getting more expensive!

But the unadulterated truth is that housing is just another basic appliance, like a washing machine or a car, but more essential. Society grows richer when the market’s efficiencies makes appliances more affordable, not when government intervention makes them harder to afford.

Here is a brief list of things that make our life better when they become cheaper relative to incomes:

Gas
Electricity
Clothing
Designer clothing
Shoes
Healthy groceries
Gourmet food
Restaurant meals
Cars
Luxury cars
Cell phones
Smart phones
Desktops
Laptops
Information

Housing belongs on this list, too. Yet only one in a hundred million people understands that. That’s because government has had a decades-long indoctrination program that has taught its citizens to look at homes for personal use as “investments” instead of a consumption. And as with “education”, government has been artificially inflating the cost of housing in a mix of propaganda and easy lending policies.

Their economic sense is so debased that they see more affordable housing as a sign of economic contraction. That’s because the government has gotten the general population on the bandwagon of debt-based proxy ownership.”
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September 24, 2014 8:47am
thedavincimode

Is it just my imagination, or has the issue of GCSB “surveillance” been getting less air in the wake of the cyber attack on Telecom, the hacking of rent-a-blog, and recent excitement regarding Kea’s relatives in Australia?
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September 24, 2014 8:49am
stephieboy

One needs to laugh. Members of the Basher al Assad cheer squad ( Andrei, kowtow,kea, yoza UT etc ) now find themselves doing mental contortions and joining the ISIS appreciation society.

Was it George Orwell who said of this kind of behaveiour.?

Freedom is slavery, Lies are Truth etc etc

When winston Smith got up one cold morning the clock struck 13 .

Recriutment drive day for ISIS lads.?
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September 24, 2014 8:50am
ross411

thedavincimode (6,635 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:49 am
Is it just my imagination, or has the issue of GCSB “surveillance” been getting less air in the wake of the cyber attack on Telecom, the hacking of rent-a-blog, and recent excitement regarding Kea’s relatives in Australia?

When there’s no pressing election, many of the issues that were so important in the lead-up, just fade away. Says a lot for the conviction of those who pressed them so hard, before he election.
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September 24, 2014 8:54am
flipper

Ross411… My you are productive this morning. 🙂

The NZEI/ECE things that you raised earlier is a real problem for Labour (good!), and for any left wing move to regain the respect, and support, of middle New Zealand voters.

I have two family members involved in ECE/primary education, and another in secondary, at a private college, The emails and the Facebook messages shown to me by other family members make an interesting contrast. The Sec-Schl teacher (of English, French and German) is arguing that the result was expected, will be good for education, and that she supports it, and that the public has delivered its verdict….time to move on.

The ECE/Primary teachers are bemoaning the result, claiming that it will set back education 50 years (I kid you not!), that they cannot believe it, and even hat the result had been gerrymandered

Next we will see the MSM taking this up in a big way, and they will weigh in with other items contributed by Helen Kelly and her CTU. It never ceases to amaze me that the children in the media always ignore the affiliation between unions and Labour, and the fact that when ever that affiliation’s influence is in the ascendency, Labour does poorly.

The Unions did not get Lange elected. The unions did not put Clark in. They may have funded Clark (Lange relied upon contributions from the business community – Jones, Brierley, Ritchwite, Fay, et al but not, notably, Myers or Gibbs), but they got their policy wishes mainly via Wilson, and they had the sense to keep their feet out of the bath.

The fact that the unions are already reacting against voters is good for National. It is good for the country. Why? Because unless J Key permits (word used deliberately) a cock-up, Labour is already gone burger for 2017. Mark my words. 🙂
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September 24, 2014 8:59am
waikatogirl

Ead
Designer clothing, gourmet food, luxury cars, the latest smart phone are not essentials to living. Nor are overseas holidays, etc.

The point is, if YOU WANT a house, it takes Sacrifices, like it always has… For most it as never been easy. We were paying 22% on our first house mortgage
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September 24, 2014 9:02am
EAD

Stupidboy showing his utter idiocy again

Assad is not the problem – anyone living in Syria prior to the civil war would know that his rule – while not a friendly one – was way better than the alternatives. Civil war was not going to lead to democracy – it was simple going to bring in an even more brutal dictator.

Remember when Mubarak was still in control of Egypt, Saddam still in control of Iraq, and Ghadaffi still in control of Libya. Those were the days: summertime, and the living was easy …

When useful idiots such as this start baying their MSM regurgitated Anti-Putin slogans, best just to ignore them.
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September 24, 2014 9:03am
kowtow

Is it just my imagination, or has the issue of GCSB “surveillance” been getting less air in the wake of the cyber attack on Telecom, the hacking of rent-a-blog, and recent excitement regarding Kea’s relatives in Australia?

ross411 beat me to it. The election is over so the left wing media can ease up on the pressure to effect the result.
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September 24, 2014 9:03am
Griff

waikatosinger (23 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:17 am

This would be a brilliant time for a poll on who people think would make the best Labour leader.

I nominate A small block of extremely smelly cheese.
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September 24, 2014 9:06am
kowtow

stephie

I’m no cheer leader for Assad. The fact is he was the best of a bad lot. ISIS ? I’ve said many a time I hope every last foreign fighter among them is killed over there.

ps Remember all the luvvie Obama bullshit when he first got elected,great statesman, peacemaker, legal expert of the highest order.

He is now bombing a sovereign nation with no Congressional ,UN or anyone else’s approval other than his own.That is illegal.

While I have no problem with killing terrorists,where are all the voices who would have spoken out had this been a George Bush action?
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September 24, 2014 9:09am
Griff

Well kow tow the voices that spoke out when bush invaded two sovereign nations in a finely disguised grab for oil reserves and pushed the USA into a long occupation which resulted in even more turmoil and terrorism on a global scale have a sense of proportion.
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September 24, 2014 9:15am
EAD

@ Waikato Girl,

In general, house prices don’t go up, the value of the dollar which is used to buy them goes down. In polite terms this is called “inflation”, in reality, it is currency debasement.

As banks create more and more dollars out of thin air to lend to house buyers, the value of each dollar in existence gets diluted, meaning it take more dollars to buy the same house. With banks charging interest on all money they create out of thin air, it is mathematically impossible for this monetary system to last. See point 2) of my 8.41am post of why the wealthy are swapping their paper money for the real thing.

NB: You were paying 22% at the start of the great fiat debasement in the 1980’s. The “growth” we have experienced since then has mainly been the result of the artificial manipulation of the cost of money (Interest rates) to below their real rate. With all central banks interest rates near 0% in order to slow the exponential growth of the debt based monetary system, the end of this game is nearing.
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September 24, 2014 9:15am
Ryan Sproull

He is now bombing a sovereign nation with no Congressional ,UN or anyone else’s approval other than his own.That is illegal.

While I have no problem with killing terrorists,where are all the voices who would have spoken out had this been a George Bush action?

*raises hand*
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September 24, 2014 9:18am
Kea

I’m no cheer leader for Assad. The fact is he was the best of a bad lot. ISIS ? I’ve said many a time I hope every last foreign fighter among them is killed over there.

ps Remember all the luvvie Obama bullshit when he first got elected,great statesman, peacemaker, legal expert of the highest order.

I agree 100%

Obama funded these animals right from the start. He was warned what sort of jihadist sharia law head chopping maniacs he was sponsoring and did it anyway.

The media ignore all of this and simply push Obama’s propaganda to the gape-jawed masses to manufacture outrage in preparation for war. A luxury not afforded white presidents.
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September 24, 2014 9:20am
Jack5

Is National’s new Invercargill MP veering off to the Left in the first week?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/10535958/Dowie-irks-doctor-with-U6-plan
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September 24, 2014 9:22am
EAD

@ Jack5

The National Party telling other people what to do & interfering in private business?

But that is so out of character of them!

/sarc.
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September 24, 2014 9:26am
wreck1080

Stuff finally lost it!!!

Front webpage main story, death of a home & away actor — at least, i though that it was the actor as that is what you’d expect of front page news — but, it is the ‘story character’ who has died.

So stuff are reduced to reporting deaths of fictional characters in TV programs as front page news??

Meh!
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September 24, 2014 9:27am
ross411

flipper (3,954 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 8:59 am
The ECE/Primary teachers are bemoaning the result, claiming that it will set back education 50 years (I kid you not!), that they cannot believe it, and even hat the result had been gerrymandered

Yes, I’ve been first hand to this. I wonder why it is. My impression is that they’ve all been indoctrinated, and as it is the prevailing view and they’re quite militant about it, any dissenters either have to shut up or get with the programme.
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September 24, 2014 9:28am
kowtow

griff,

Sense of proportion? The failure to stop ISIS early,and Obbie was warned ,led to a third of Iraq occupied, a third of Syria,a couple of genocides, invasions of Lebanon, the possibility of Jordan being toppled,and the PKK Kurds calling off their truce with Turkey. (Turkey,a NATO “ally” not allowing Kurds to enter Syria to prevent yet another genocide),so that’s another country potentially destabilised by the whole Syria fiasco.Funded by states that Obbie calls “partners”…..Saudi A and Qatar.

How’s that for proportions?
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September 24, 2014 9:30am
IGM

Where are Public Dog, Slobcrim, Hager, McCarten . . . hope they are in the bunker, also hope that we are no longer funding Hager’s protection! He made his bed, let him pay for it.
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September 24, 2014 9:33am
Kea

” and recent excitement regarding Kea’s relatives in Australia?”

Katie, You mean my anti-war atheist Semite relatives ?

I have never done more than pass through an Aussie airport, on my way to more interesting places. Maybe you should try stepping out of your Eurocentric bubble one day too. There is a world beyond Dunedin.
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September 24, 2014 9:34am
tom hunter

I suppose we’ll have to wait for the blood to drain away from the Labour caucus room and the drunken cheering to subside at National HQ before we start to get posts on things like US foreign policy.

Not that it’s click bait of course. Far from it, but I’m looking forward to that – immmm immmmhhhh gooooooood tasty Schadenfreude. Stuff like this for example:

“He said it was a mistake to set an end date for our warriors in Afghanistan and bring them home. He implies by the speech that he’s ready to go to war in Syria and Iran,” Biden said in his speech.

Russia is America’s “number one geopolitical foe? ….
“He wants to move from cooperation to confrontation with Putin’s Russia,”
…
“And these guys say the president’s out of touch? Out of touch? Swiss bank account, untold millions in the Cayman Islands. Who’s out of touch, man?

Perhaps I should give more credence to Joe Biden: he certainly nailed the Romney presidency ….

(chuckles darkly)
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September 24, 2014 9:34am
Jack5

Queenstown Taxis boss Grant Scammell and the MSM continue leading a lynch mob for the head of the Queenstown policewoman who abused a Malaysian-Indian taxi driver in an off-duty drunken rant. They obviously want her out of the police and out of town.

In my view this is beginning to look like more like a campaign for revenge rather than justice. It looks to me that they won’t be satisfied until they have wrecked the life of this woman for one night’s leer up. Let’s hope Scammell doesn’t put a foot wrong in future.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/10537657/Racially-abused-taxi-driver-devastated-by-discharge
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September 24, 2014 9:35am
holysheet

The best thing about the cops shooting that piece of shit in auz this morning is they killed the fucker.
Here our cops would shot in the leg or put the dog onto him.
Why waste a bullet by maiming him?
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September 24, 2014 9:44am
Kea

Jack5, she also violently assaulted him, trying to get him in an arm lock. They did not even charge her for that !

Imagine if a “Malaysian-Indian” man verbally and physically assaulted a off duty female police officer. Do you think things would have gone the same way ?

Did you pass hypocrite test ? This is corruption, pure and simple.
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September 24, 2014 9:46am
ross411

Jack5 (5,018 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 9:35 am
Queenstown Taxis boss Grant Scammell and the MSM continue leading a lynch mob for the head of the Queenstown policewoman who abused a Malaysian-Indian taxi driver in an off-duty drunken rant. They obviously want her out of the police and out of town.

Yes, I wonder sometimes whether people with a political agenda, and the MSM, cause more damage than good.

Take for example the collapsed mine and Solid Energy, which TV3 are hammering at the moment. Most of the reporting is a mayor who is pretty much sounding like he needs an issue to appear relevant on. Does anyone really care about this besides the families?
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September 24, 2014 9:47am
Kea

I see the hypocrites are out in force, supporting police corruption and the nasty violent racist bimbo.

I would like to see what they would say, if she were assaulted and abused in Malaysia, and the attacker “Mohamed” was let off by the “justice” system.
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September 24, 2014 9:58am
kowtow

jack5

You’re dead right about the media campaign any time a bit of racial/ religious rudeness is thrown about.

There’ve been 3 cases down south relatively recently ,your blond cop, some fella in an Invercargill taxi and a less highlighted one by a young activist called Yuet ngor Rappard.

Each and evry case invovled a bit of rude behaviour on the part of the offender. The Invercargill man was lucky not to end up in court,but Campbell blew it into a case of national importance.

The message is clear ,rude behaviour that involves protected minorities will result in charges or at least nationa humiliation.
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September 24, 2014 10:06am
thedavincimode

Katie, You mean my anti-war atheist Semite relatives ?

😆 Yes, those guys!
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September 24, 2014 10:10am
kowtow

comment on kea’s Oz relaticves was posted by TDVM not kowtow.
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September 24, 2014 10:10am
flipper

Ross411…

NZEI/ECE…yes, it is indoctrination. Quite pathetic, considering that these folk have under questioning (by my wife, for example) revealed that they have either very little understanding of Government policy, or have been told that it is something totally different.
>>

On the MSM and issues…. Yep, agree.

Take the Herald this morning on Cruden. The bannered “expose” that he was with several other ABs on “the boozy night out”, is a classic.

Fact – Cruden has been dropped for two games because he missed the team’s flight assembly.

Fact – The ABs were in an officially sanctioned “night out”, their planned flight having been cancelled.

Pejorative language and reporting. Just crap.
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September 24, 2014 10:12am
Gravelroad

Re today’s first post:
the greens started out as a movement which has turned into an authoritarian, “we know best” political machine with an extremist edge.
The genuine and sincere people worried about the environment, conservation, stopping and mopping pollution, tree planting, weed eradication birds, water and so on, have been sidelined as the Greens Political Party has deviated from its core business and values onto other societal issues.
I think the original greenies would support whichever main political party was best suited to further their aims.
The Green Party, as it has become now, seems more drawn to urban based socialist agendas. And their environmental credentials are based on threats and judgements.
You only had to hear Dr Norman on newstalkzb last Sunday morning for this to become clear.
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September 24, 2014 10:13am
Kea

kowtow (8,218 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 10:10 am
comment on kea’s Oz relaticves was posted by TDVM not kowtow.

My humble apologies. 🙂
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September 24, 2014 10:16am
david

Just who is/are ISIL/ISIS and who is behind them?

We hear that the air strikes were surgical and sending a message by being so precise that they took out satellite dishes off the roof but left the building intact. The way it was described hinted that there is a sophisticated electronic command and control system. We also see footage of tanks being apparently competently operated and manoevered – where did they learn these skills? We know that the servicing infrastructure to keep tanks operating in the desert is complex and expensive and their operating life without sophisticated mobile workshops is measured in days yet they keep going. Who is doing the logistics – water, fuel food and ammunition?

It is pretty obvious that these are not a rag tag rabble tooling round the desert in Toyota Hiluxs pinching gas where they can find it so who has trained, equipped and armed what appears to effectively be a modern army and who continues to support it?
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September 24, 2014 10:18am
Sofia

Four things Cunliffe hasn’t said sorry for yet …

• “We find this absolutely disgraceful behaviour” states Ruth Money [Sensible Sentencing Spokesperson] “He apologises for being a man, talks about rape culture, and then goes out for lunch and wine with an offender who pled guilty in court to forcing himself onto a woman and got name suppression because of his status [mana, culture].”

* Cited the children living in poverty, in trying to explain the Baby Bonus policy, but made such a mess of the question of $60 a week extra, or extended parental leave, but not both together, that no one noticed the policy would benefit no one born before April1, 2016 – two thousand and fucking sixteen!
50,000 poor children under three, and 36,000 more born before April 1, 2016 got NOTHING – but use as Labour propaganda.

• Couldn’t explain to Prime Minister John Key how Capital Gains Tax, a policy Cunliffe had written himself, would work.
Just as well that Key didn’t get down to detail like the family batch, ruled both IN and a little further down the same document, as OUT, not to mention David Parker’s BIG TOOL, designed to reduce house values [through compulsory, increased KiwiSaver levees] canceling out Capital Gains Tax on housing.

And Cunliffe now wants his caucus to take a vote of no confidence in him, to trigger a “leadership primary”, so he can stand again as their leader.
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September 24, 2014 10:23am
Shawn Herles

Griff,

There is no oil in Afghanistan. Are you preparing for the role of Nicky Hagar’s understudy?
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September 24, 2014 10:31am
Jack5

Re Kea at 9.46: your allegation the off-duty “violently assaulted” the taxi driver is a gross exaggeration.

Troll on, bird lady-man.
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September 24, 2014 10:31am
Fletch

One News has posted the results of a poll on their facebook page (“Who Do You Think Should Be The Next Labour Leader?”) showing that Jacinda Adern is only 1% lower in popularity than David Cunliffe (Adern’s 29% to Cunliffe’s 30%).

The comments section has been inundated with people crying, YES, Adern should be the next leader.
LOL

https://www.facebook.com/ONENewsNZ/photos/a.277486811217.152400.179995481217/10152262083936218/?type=1&theater

Personally I don’t see Adern as leader material, but I guess appearances are all that are important for some. I can’t find it on Kiwiblog now, but hasn’t she asked some rather stupid questions or made some stupid statements in Parliament before in the past?
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September 24, 2014 10:34am
Ross12

I see Norman is out there again trying to tell the Government it can’t run the economy

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25093501/dairy-drop-exposes-bankruptcy-of-nationals-economic-strategy/

The thing Norman needs to understand, the Govt. does not control the growth of the dairy industry nor does it run Fonterra. Next Norman needs to get it into his head that the average voter understands this and that is why they didn’t vote for the Greens with the same numbers as last election. Voters get it –Norman doesn’t !!!

Suggestion to the Greens –get some private industry experience. There is fully productive organic farm on the market near Gisborne. Put your money where your mouth is, form a co-op ( if need be) and take the risk. Show us all how it is done with added value organic produced based products.( Put your R&D ideas into place). But be quick because an overseas investor could get in before you.
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September 24, 2014 10:40am
Griff

Afghanistan is reported to have oil reserves totaling 2.9 billion barrels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?_r=0
According to a joint report by the Pentagon, the US Geological Survey (USGS) and USAID, Afghanistan is now said to possess “previously unknown” and untapped mineral reserves, estimated authoritatively to be of the order of one trillion dollars (New York Times, U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan – NYTimes.com, June 14, 2010, See also BBC, 14 June 2010).

“The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and BlackBerrys.

The vast scale of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists. The Afghan government and President Hamid Karzai were recently briefed, American officials said.

While it could take many years to develop a mining industry, the potential is so great that officials and executives in the industry believe it could attract heavy investment even before mines are profitable, providing the possibility of jobs that could distract from generations of war.
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September 24, 2014 10:44am
ross411

Fletch (6,259 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 10:34 am
Personally I don’t see Adern as leader material, but I guess appearances are all that are important for some. I can’t find it on Kiwiblog now, but hasn’t she asked some rather stupid questions or made some stupid statements in Parliament before in the past?

Not that this speaks to Adern as who she is now, or that I have the right person, wasn’t there a ridiculous picture or video of Adern at some european rally or concert that was being posted a year or so back? Anyone remember that, and able to dig it out?
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September 24, 2014 10:46am
Kea

Jack5, it is legally classed as an assault.

I do not mind your ad hominem attacks, as it is a KB convention, but please try and address the points raised in your responses.

She verbally and physically assaulted a man in a racist drunken outburst and escaped not only conviction, but avoided available charges for the most serious conduct, the physical assault.
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September 24, 2014 10:46am
Kea

“, Afghanistan is now said to possess “previously unknown” and untapped mineral reserves, estimated authoritatively to be of the order of one trillion dollars”

😆
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September 24, 2014 10:47am
Tauhei Notts

Brian Smaller’s comment at 8.14 has been highlighted as very popular.
During the election campaign one party leader suggested that more appropriate protection measures be taken by corner dairy proprietors and liquor shop owners. Measures that would severely reduce their legal fees when faced with charges about protecting their own property.
That party got 0.69% of the vote.
Weird that 99.31% of the voters hated that party, but Brian Smaller’s comments in a similar vein are lauded.
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September 24, 2014 10:48am
Fletch

Just who is/are ISIL/ISIS and who is behind them?

ISIS grew out of Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), I believe, but they are so vicious they even repulsed Osama Bin Laden.
See the free chapter at Amazon –

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-ISIS-Threat-Cant-Ignore-ebook/dp/B00ND4GESM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410210048&sr=8-1&keywords=Rise+of+ISIS
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September 24, 2014 10:49am
stephieboy

Kea (12,105 comments) says:
September 24th, 2014 at 9:20 am and kowtow,

But it is interesting that you both as avowed supporters of Basher al Assad find yourselves supporting ‘ the best of a bad lot” ISIS avowed enemy of the President of Syria .

Now thats where the mental and logical gymnastics and contortions you both lefties and others.indulge in.

BTW , its an absolute lie that the Obama administration supported and funded ISIS.

Don’t forget to synch your watches to 13 O ‘ Clock when you do your fundraising and recruitment drive for your “the best of bad lot ” ISIS.

You both may wish oi visit their fb page etc and tell them of your undying devotion and recruitment plans

Love it,!
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September 24, 2014 10:50am
Jack5

Re Griff at 10.144 on Afghanistan’s minerals – that’s an interesting article you point to.

It includes:

Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft …

We’ve got these planes in the RNZAF, Griff. I wonder if they could be equipped to measure seafloor resources magnetically in a similar way. They might be able to combine this with fisheries patrols.

Brash and some others boasted NZ was richer than Saudi Arabia in mineral riches, but they were talking about gas hydrates, which no-one can yet use for gas economically and which nearly everyone has offshore any way. We have manganese nodules and superphosphate sea-floor resources, and in another decade or two they might be economic to mine. (Someone is gearing up to have a crack at the phosphate soon: it will be interesting to see how they go.)
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September 24, 2014 10:54am
stephieboy

ISIS Crucifies 8 Rebel Fighters, According To Human Rights Group
Reuters

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/29/isil-crucifies-eight-riva_n_5541140.html

Best of a bad lot.!

Again love it.!
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September 24, 2014 10:56am
Jack5

Re Kea at 10.46 posting of the Queenstown taxi-policewoman case:

She verbally and physically assaulted a man in a racist drunken outburst and escaped not only conviction, but avoided available charges for the most serious conduct, the physical assault.

Well put your money where your squawking beak is Kea, and file a charge yourself. Or explain why the taxi-driver didn’t demand she be charged with this. There was no suggestion in any report I read that the police declined to lay a charge.

Troll on, old bird. It’s been lovely without you. Bit quiet though.
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September 24, 2014 10:59am
Griff

Huge rare-earth material in Helmand: USGS

Pajhwok
09/15/2011
By Lalit K Jha
[Printer Friendly Version]

WASHINGTON – The Khanashin carbonatites in southern Helmand Province have an estimated one million metric tonnes of rare earth material, according to a US Geological Survey (USGS) estimate.

This estimate came on Wednesday from a 2009-2011 USGS study, funded by the Department of Defence Task Force for Business and Stability Operations (TFBSO). “This is just one more piece of evidence that Afghanistan’s mineral sector has a bright future,” said TFBSO Acting Director Regina Dubey.

More than 95 percent of global REE production now comes from China,
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September 24, 2014 10:59am
Griff

Blow for Chatham Rise phosphate mining
http://www.3news.co.nz/environmentsci/blow-for-chatham-rise-phosphate-mining-2014081820

http://www.rockphosphate.co.nz/
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September 24, 2014 11:05am
Dennis Horne

In the old days we could have just invaded Afghanistan (or wherever) and taken the oil and minerals. What went wrong?
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September 24, 2014 11:09am
Shawn Herles

Dennis,

As this supposed “oil” is only now coming to light it could not have been the reason for the invasion, especially given that the US and Canada are research rich. The “it’s all about oil” meme is a very lazy leftist idea based on the usual crackpot conspiracy theories.
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September 24, 2014 11:13am
Griff

😆
sorry spawn but the usa was well aware of the potential as was the ussr. .
You said no oil when there is huge untapped reserves of coal, oil, gas and extremely strategically important rear earths and ores like copper tin etc.
And an empty backwards nation with no environmental industry.

If you think G W Bush invaded on humanitarian grounds I have a small bridge for sale cheap that you may be interested in

In NZ
we have lots of uranium.
Yum Yum
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September 24, 2014 11:14am
Andrei

Serbian Orthodox Church have stated that they are against the Pride Parade, but also that its participants “have the right to parade, but only on their and their customers’ expense.”

“You have the right to make the Parade, but only at your own cost and expense of your principals, no matter how they are called, and both the cost for the organization of the Parade, and for security, but not at the expense of Serbia – bombed, destroyed, morally and economically crippled, impoverished, flooded, nailed to the pillory”, it is said in the statement given by the Serbian Orthodox Church which was signed by Patriarch Irinej.

The Serbian Orthodox Church have condemned the announced organization of the Parade which they see as “unbelievable gathering imposed on Serbia and Belgrade.”

“Is it because of essentially absurd grandstanding that the state should spend millions in the current poverty to secure a handful of citizens and their guests for the parade of several hundred meters in the center of Belgrade” , it is said in the statement issued by the Serbian Orthodox Church.

“These days, the unbelievable gay parade is again being imposed to Belgrade and Serbia. The organizers of this grandstanding and their mentors from Europe do not want to learn from what the last parade caused,” said the Patriarch, and warned of the dangers that a parade could cause “to both sides.”

Gay Pride parades are of course satanic religious rituals inflicted on Nations as a gesture of allegiance to the Evil Empire in much the same way the ancient Roman Empire demanded allegiance to its gods
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September 24, 2014 11:19am
Jack5

Re Griff at 11.14:

In NZ we have lots of uranium.Yum Yum

Really? If you’re referring to the Buller deposits, they are way too low grade to be any use.
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September 24, 2014 11:22am
Redbaiter

“If you think G W Bush invaded on humanitarian grounds”

A typically stupid stupid stupid LW premise.

Where there is no American presence or influence there is other presence or influence. Russia or the Chicoms for example.

This is the principle that guides intervention.

Only a child would think otherwise.
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September 24, 2014 11:23am
Griff

Gay Pride parades are of course satanic religious rituals inflicted on Nations as a gesture of allegiance to the Evil Empire in much the same way the ancient Roman Empire demanded allegiance to its gods

Fred Phelps is dead are you possessed by his spirit ?
Best go see sister hypocrisy and have a exorcism.
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September 24, 2014 11:24am
Kea

Gay Pride parades are of course satanic religious rituals inflicted on Nations as a gesture of allegiance to the Evil Empire in much the same way the ancient Roman Empire demanded allegiance to its gods

Like Christianity and the Roman Catholic cult.
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September 24, 2014 11:25am
Kea

“Or explain why the taxi-driver didn’t demand she be charged with this.”

Jackboot, the victims wishes were ignored, as was any notion of one law for all.
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September 24, 2014 11:27am
Griff

http://www.nzpam.govt.nz/cms/pdf-library/minerals/publications/fact-sheets/CO11916_6_MetMinOcc2.pdf
Uranium
The main occurrences of uranium in New Zealand are
sandstone-type uranium deposits in the lower Buller Gorge
and the Pororari River areas, although detrital uraninite
has been recorded in gold dredge concentrates at
Taramakau River and Gillespies Beach in Westland, and
prospecting has identified some radioactive dikes and
granites in west Nelson and Fiordland.
There has been no recorded commercial production of
uranium from New Zealand deposits and there will be no
production in the near future due to New Zealand’s nuclear
free legislation and the Minerals Programme for Minerals
other than Coal and Petroleum which specifically does not
allow prospecting, exploration and mining of the primary
uranium and thorium minerals
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September 24, 2014 11:30am
Jack5

Kea (11.27)…

Your evidence for the taxi driver’s request being ignored? Can you detail it please?

And how was “one law for all” ignored? The woman’s career is being destroyed for one abusive performance when she was pissed off-duty on a Saturday night? How many taxi drivers have not laid police complaints for abuse from drunken revellers, often as nasty, or even worse?

Whoops: sorry I replied to you Kea. I constantly forget the rule: never feed a troll.
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September 24, 2014 11:32am
Dennis Horne

There are at least two people who don’t understand why the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and Baby Bush is one of them.
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September 24, 2014 11:33am
Griff

Redtwit I am ignoring you today as trolling a retard gets boring after a while.
Why dont you go and post some spittle and bile on Truebluenz for a change your fan base is missing your input.
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September 24, 2014 11:34am
Dennis Horne

Nobody on KiwiBlog make me see red. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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September 24, 2014 11:36am
waikatosinger

Queenstown Taxis boss Grant Scammell and the MSM continue leading a lynch mob for the head of the Queenstown policewoman who abused a Malaysian-Indian taxi driver in an off-duty drunken rant. They obviously want her out of the police and out of town.

In vino veritas. No doubt she conceals her racism much better when she isn’t drunk. But is it really OK for a police officer to have these attitudes as long as she hides them when on duty? If you were Malaysian-Indian would you trust her to treat you fairly now that you know what she really thinks?
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September 24, 2014 11:38am
Kea

Police allege McNee said: “F… off to India, you come here and get all the Kiwi jobs. Eat your f…… curry and f… off to India. This is a Kiwi job.”

McNee grabbed his left wrist, squeezed and twisted, he said.

Paramanathan said he told her not to touch him or be abusive and racist because he would call police.

“She got very aggressive, she held the door open and said, ‘I am the police’.”‘

Not surprised to see you supporting this Jackboot.

Simply chanting your mantra of “troll” will not change the facts you vile racist prick.
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September 24, 2014 11:39am
waikatosinger

waikatosinger:
This would be a brilliant time for a poll on who people think would make the best Labour leader.
Griff:
I nominate A small block of extremely smelly cheese.

Is there one in the Labour caucus?
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September 24, 2014 11:50am
Viking2

Fontera Income

$8.40 this year, $5.35 next year.
5 billion less income this coming year.

I just hope that the worlds best finance minister doesn’t have to raise taxes to fund their profligate spending.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/10537574/Fonterra-profit-plunges-payout-forecast-cut
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September 24, 2014 12:15pm
waikatogirl

Jack5
There is video of the police woman grabbing the taxi drivers wrist. She was out of control.

Panadeine + alcohol doesn’t make anyone racist!! The booze just brought her racism to the surface.
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September 24, 2014 12:15pm
Kea

“There is video of the police woman grabbing the taxi drivers wrist. ”

That will be the video the Judge suppressed.
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September 24, 2014 12:21pm
minus

Goff – male, Shearer – male, Cunnliffe – male
Isn’t it about time Labour honoured the man-ban policy among Leaders too?
Ask Adern to at least consider running for Leader?
Oh, oops? – It was OK to come up with that sort of krap for voters, but this is a serious matter now: Labour Leader …
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September 24, 2014 12:28pm
dime

God im sick of hearing about Pike fucking River.

Dime votes we send make Campbell, his hack doing the latest “reports” and Alison Mau go in to retrieve the bodies. If the thing blows, so be it.

Apparently one family hasnt had a service yet because they are waiting for the body – way to extend your grief by YEARS you morons. news flash – they aint no body to get back. you may get a shin bone if youre lucky.

Are these people being used by the media and political hacks? it cant be healthy
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September 24, 2014 12:45pm
IGM

minus: Shearer a male I can agree, but not Goff or Cunliffe, they are wimpy weasels.
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September 24, 2014 12:53pm
Jack5

Nice message from the troll Kea. Nice to know she-he hasn’t changed with her shout of:

…you vile racist prick.

Okay to accuse all and sundry of being racist, the mantra of the leftist PC mob. But accusing another poster of being “vile” goes a bit far in my opinion. The sooner you are banned again, the better, Kea.
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September 24, 2014 12:59pm
lilman

Was wondering where is Judith?
Maybe she was Labour MP as haven’t. Seen or heard from her.
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September 24, 2014 1:10pm
duggledog

Re the Queenstown copper –

In case anybody didn’t notice, down in the south they don’t like the multiplicity of various ethnicities Auckland is now swamped with. A lot of people did the white flight thing years ago, seeing the absolute toilet Auckland has now become, in advance.

Apart from most Ngai Tahu who don’t resemble regular Maoris in any way, you won’t see any bro’s or PI’s down there because A: they don’t like the cold and B: They get a little bit of a hard time.

You get a few Indians and Chinese etc down there but nothing like Auckland. Parts of the South Island remind me of how New Zealand was thirty odd years ago. It’ll change though.

Labour Green victory – economy collapses
National victory – more Asians. Lots more.
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