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ciaron

Sorry people… I meant to put this up on Saturday night, but it’s been one of those weekends.
Quoted For Truth:

publicwatchdog (2,403 comments) says:
September 10th, 2014 at 8:47 am
Because I believe we currently have a crisis of CORRUPTION in NZ right now under this John Key led National Government – I’m going to ‘hold my nose’ and for the first time ever, PARTY vote Labour.
I stated this at the Titirangi Residents and Ratepayers candidates’ meeting held on Monday night.
In saying this – I do not agree with a number of Labour policies – but, in my opinion, this proven dirty and despicable John Key led National Government has to be cleaned out of office – hopefully in a landslide.
The easiest way to get rid of this out-of-control Office of the Prime Minister, is to get rid of the Prime Minister to which it attaches.
That’s also why I’m standing against John Key in Helensville, to take his seat off him.
Which should help save taxpayers money.
When (hopefully) John Key loses both the 2014 election, and his Helensville seat, there won’t need to be a by-election when he heads back to Hawaii with his tail between his legs?
(Meant of course in a caring way
Penny Bright
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September 22, 2014 8:00am
hj

It didn’t take key long to reject NZ First. This is the development industry party.

Aren’t you lucky non citizens can have a say in the lives of citizens. How many Epsom Act candidate voters aren’t citizens?
Aren’t you lucky liberal left likes immigration?
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September 22, 2014 8:02am
duggledog

Was mentioned yesterday on GD but worth reflecting on today –

Labour did actually pull off quite a feat with their second worst poll result ever, considering:

Cunliffe’s dithering over Internet Mana in a left wing bloc
Close association with the Insane Clown Posse (Greens)
The ‘man ban’
The idea that the onus of proof for rape is the male’s responsibility
‘I’m sorry for being a man’
Capital Gains tax
Other Taxes
David Parker as finance minister
Secret donations

I could go on. And on, and on. So, Labour actually did really well
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September 22, 2014 8:03am
Bovver

Looks like reality has run right over your delusions Penny, 3 more years (and probably another 3 after that due to the disarray on the left).

Bomber has thrown his toys out of the cot, Lprent will vote for DC in the leadership election, Minto is the only person in NZ that believes in KDC’s email.
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September 22, 2014 8:05am
Chuck Bird

If this is the kind of change Labour is looking at they will be in opposition a long time. Homosexual MPs will be overrepresented particularly when the number homosexual MPs still in the closet is taken into account. This article is date 29 Oct. However, unless Labour changes its thinking it will be in opposition a long time. I know plenty of older long time Labour supporters who voted NZF and the Conservatives. Labour used to be primarily about workers paid by the hour. Now they are a collection of minority groups who want special treatment.

Labour to look at ‘fairly representing’ gay members in Parliament
5:30 AM Tuesday Oct 29, 2013

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1…
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September 22, 2014 8:07am
hj

David Hay with a different view of the election result
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/12/01/fair-democracy-let-david-hay-speak-and-put-his-hand-up-fair-democracy-common-sense-and-strong-leadership-spoke-back/
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September 22, 2014 8:08am
IGM

Public Dog would be the vilest of leeches that got their arses kicked. Along with the obese slug (Slobcrim), Bradbury, Campbells (Tv and print creeps), Vance, Espiners, Hager, Pulitzer Poof, Snowden, Assange, not to forget the firm that prostituted their staff by printing Hager’s book of innuendo, lies, and deception . . . that matter already being taken care of naturally. There is no place in NZ politics for any of these aforementioned, and best they lick their self-inflicted wounds, get real jobs, and get out of our lives forever.
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September 22, 2014 8:11am
hj

Parker is talking about rebuilding Labour around the core values it had when it started out.
He must be talking about this
Dr Bryce Edwards discussing interview with David Cunliffe on the Nation (TV3).

“Absolutely, there is a wider disconnect between what he said and what the wider public think. Among the Labour Party and liberal left in NZ there are two ideologies that are really important to them and that’s this ideology of identity politics and rape culture. Political threat lists or identity politics is where what you are (man or women, gay your ethnicity) is more important than what you say and do. Rape culture holds that collectively there is this misogynist attitude amongst males that enables others to rape and commit crime.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/Panel-Willie-Jackson-Bryce-Edwards–Trish-Sherson/tabid/1348/articleID/351457/Default.aspx
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September 22, 2014 8:13am
MT_Tinman

What a fantastic weekend.

To those who voted National; Well done. Well done indeed.

To those who voted ACT; Don’t give up, ACT will come again.

To those who voted for the Reds or the Coatesville clown; You have proved you are unfit to vote ever again.

To Labour voters; Why for christs sake? Why?

To those who voted CCCP; Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I repeat what a fantastic weekend!
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September 22, 2014 8:18am
IGM

duggledog: I have lived through many elections, but this was the worst display of bias journalism and lies in favour of the left I have ever witnessed. There is definitely need for any positions of influence in media to be occupied by a cross-section of political views . . . currently the further left, the better the position . . . Vance would be the most disgusting example of this, and the likes of Campbell Live is a bloody disgrace, and he should be investigated for his association with the fat kraut, where his car (Mazda supplied) has been spotted at the bunker on numerous occasions, not there to pick up cyanide tablets either. All I wish to see now is a large US military plane loading the obese slug, chained into its cargo hold, for a rough and cold ride back to his awaiting cell with gang members.
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September 22, 2014 8:19am
Gravelroad

Can someone explain how violence can be incited on twitter with impunity?

the twitter community seems to be made up of absolute nutters.

Three recent tweets:
“Was I the only one waiting for a lone gun shot when John Key finally hit the stage?”
“All those who voted National should wear a badge so we can spit on them in the street.”
“ChCh- here’s hoping another earthquake flattens the place. They need to be taught a lesson.”

Scary that there are so many bitter, deranged people out there – many apparently in positions of responsibility such as universities and the public service.
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September 22, 2014 8:21am
Julian

For the first time in my life, I am enjoying reading The Standard this morning. Happy days.

Including such gems as: “All in all a disappointing election. For the National party as well after the party is over.”
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September 22, 2014 8:25am
Lance

@Gravelroad

So very odd that such venal and vile nastiness always seems to be from the leftists.

Must be a co-incidence?

/sarc/
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September 22, 2014 8:28am
Yvette

Dotcom’s “Moment of Truth” email

Crimes Act 1961 – Section 257
Using forged documents
1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who, knowing a document to be forged,—
a) uses the document to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
b) uses, deals with, or acts upon the document as if it were genuine; or
c) causes any other person to use, deal with, or act upon it as if it were genuine.

 2) For the purposes of this section, a document made or altered outside New Zealand in a manner that would have amounted to forgery if the making or alteration had been done in New Zealand is to be regarded as a forged document.

What is the position now of the use by Kim Dotcom of the “Warner Bros Kevin Tsujihara / MPAA Michael Ellis” email,
a supposed forged document, to attempt to influence the outcome of the New Zealand 2014 Election?
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September 22, 2014 8:28am
James Stephenson

Kelvin Davis is apparently an idiot or a traitor or “John Key’s messenger boy” for beating Hone, meanwhile the Green Party are idiots for “allowing” their supporters in Ohariu to vote for the Green candidate, thereby allowing Dunne to scrape home.

The overriding message from Saturday night, which it appears will be lost on the Left, is that people don’t vote for incompetents.
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September 22, 2014 8:29am
graham

It’s pretty shocking Gravelroad.

If (by some unbelieveable miracle) Labour had won, would all the National supporters and right-wingers be talking like this? I really really hope not.

I personally voted for National and the Conservatives – and no, I don’t consider that a wasted vote, thanks for asking 🙂 – so that tells you where I’m coming from. But if my worst possible fears had been realised and we were waking up today to a Government consisting of Labour, the Greens, NZ First, and Internet Mana, I would be pretty damn worried for the future of the country – but I cannot imagine what it would take to drive me to the point of wanting to “spit on Labour supporters” or wishing violence on anybody.

Do these people think before they write? If that is SERIOUSLY what they think, honestly, then God help us. We have some big problems in this country.
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September 22, 2014 8:29am
oldpark

Headline of the weekend,said by Peters.” He will keep them honest”.Peters has been in Parliament almost thirty six years,working on” keeping them honest’.He still has to get past first base,HIMSELF.
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September 22, 2014 8:30am
Chuck Bird

@Gravelroad

Would you please name these people who made the comments and if the work in education.
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September 22, 2014 8:34am
Lance

@oldpark
Might be a a case of the best means of defense is attack.
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September 22, 2014 8:35am
wreck1080

Jason Ede given the boot.

Heres to hoping that national have learnt their lesson and will cut communication with blog-nasty cameron slater.
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September 22, 2014 8:35am
Don the Kiwi

graham
8.29 am.
Agreed. I also voted National electorate, Conservative party, as I said i would after the gay marriage fiasco.
The Conservatives would have supported national anyway with around 6 more MP’s.
The other thing to remember that National will get nearly half the “wasted vote” category – so it was still a vote for National – even if only half a vote 🙂
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September 22, 2014 8:39am
Scott Chris

So very odd that such venal and vile nastiness always seems to be from the leftists.

I guess you don’t read posts from the likes of IGM or Starboard or Redbaiter etc?

I’d say the majority of left and right voters mean well and are decent people.
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September 22, 2014 8:40am
Griff

I personally voted for the Conservatives – and no, I don’t consider that a wasted vote,

Totally agree not a wasted vote for the simple reason that the conservatives lost so your votes had no effect on the outcome.
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September 22, 2014 8:40am
James Stephenson

I’m sure Ede will be looked after, he took the fall and kept his trap shut.
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September 22, 2014 8:41am
ross411

Gravelroad (113 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 8:21 am
Can someone explain how violence can be incited on twitter with impunity?

the twitter community seems to be made up of absolute nutters.

Three recent tweets:
“Was I the only one waiting for a lone gun shot when John Key finally hit the stage?”
“All those who voted National should wear a badge so we can spit on them in the street.”
“ChCh- here’s hoping another earthquake flattens the place. They need to be taught a lesson.”

Why are you just quoting the tweets? Name and shame.
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September 22, 2014 8:41am
Paulus

It would appear already the Winston has real fight on his hands.
Some if his new members, as well as some already there coming out of the closet, are now openly talking about “Discussion and perhaps aligning better with National” for the long term sake of their future existence.
Sounds very sensible.
But Winston will try and stem it quickly, until he is ultimately beaten into alcoholism. He cannot win this one despite his best endeavours.
After listening to him since the Election, where his party is into oblivion, and Winston is Politically irrelevant now, he is a bitter, sad, twisted old man.
Kingmaker – more like irrelevant mouse.
Pay back the $148,000 you stole from Taxpayers.
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September 22, 2014 8:45am
ross411

I like how over on whaleoil, where I go in idle moments to see if there is anything worth reading there finally, they refer to Martyn Bradbury as Martin Martyn 🙂 Martyn registered twice to vote twice, because he thinks he has more of a right to decide the country we live in. Given his level of commitment to Labour, it’s the most likely interpretation. Almost a certainty.
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September 22, 2014 8:45am
Scott Chris

Hmm, so a million people didn’t vote this time. Perhaps it’s time to make voting compulsory, even if that involves voting for no one. It’s one’s duty to honour the Social Contract imo.
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September 22, 2014 8:48am
Black with a Vengeance

Was a vote for Winston first as wasted as one for the Colinservative party ?
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September 22, 2014 8:49am
Griff

No Polly fob at least those who voted for Whinny have representation in Parliament.
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September 22, 2014 8:51am
ross411

TV3, Firstline: Key on with Michael Wassname. Key looks tired. Economy #1 priority. Education to help most vulnerable. Welfare reform, lower numbers of people on benefits. Referendum on flag. Can make a difference in 3 years. Transition from welfare to work is most successful way to deal with poverty, not to say that there aren’t waged families in trouble. Cameron Slater.. emails hacked stolen, private conversations different to public. Committed to center line, not veering off to right. People who disagree with National choices will accuse them of being arrogant. Jason Ede resigned after 11 long years, lots of details about him, who cares. Key didn’t suggest he leaves. Collins future? Inquiry by Justice Chissolm, won’t be in cabinet in short term. Coalition discussions tomorrow with Act, UF and Maori party. Dunne and Flavell expected to want ministerial authority. Agreement with ACT party, not David Seymour, although ACT is one person. They may want it as well. Key on flag again. Constitutional process, referendum.
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September 22, 2014 8:52am
ross411

To me Key on Firstline is not ruling out my interpretation about Collins. Namely that she resigned because of the sequence of continuous attacks with no real substantiated details eventually sticks. And that after an inquiry shows there was nothing there, she’ll be back doing the same great job.

Well, remains to be seen. But that’s my expectation.
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September 22, 2014 8:53am
hj

Lessons
(7) Activists are different. We don’t see the world like regular people, and our intuitions about how regular people see the world are usually wrong. Many on the left were sure that all Labour had to to was install Cunliffe and the votes would come rolling in. The opposite happened (not a criticism of anyone, just a fact). Although activists may not see it this way, Shearer appears to have resonated much more effectively with voters.
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22 September 2014 at 7:10 am

I agree with point 7. I have always found it interesting that the response of many on here when people point out views that are regarded as mainstream they are generally attacked as if they are extremist dangerous ideas of madmen. I’m not even meaning stuff I have stated as I can understand why you would think that. The Activist base on the left near reality checks like this election result I believe.
http://thestandard.org.nz/lessons/
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September 22, 2014 8:57am
oldpark

Would say Labour/Green inheritance/Cold granny death tax threat was a tax too far.No wonder the both mentioned parties got impaled ,and their heads figuratively speaking, are on pikes around polling booths.Maybe they might reconsider their planned theft of a death tax, and Nana’s grand childrens education/wedding/overseas trip fund.Dont they know,any attack on hard won savings ad homeowners will continue to be repelled.What part of the common sense perception don’t ,commie Green Russel Abnormal,and Materialistic Turei not understand.Of course not forgetting, the massive Chinese takeaway Cunliffes Labour Party.Cunliffe might have dodged a bullet by not being outed, with his desire and lust for Chinese takeaways.Of course if he had won,chinese takeaways would no longer cause him heartburn,and swap it for a variety of goodies,thats food.What did you think I was talking about.
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September 22, 2014 8:57am
ross411

Paulus (2,599 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 8:45 am
But Winston will try and stem it quickly, until he is ultimately beaten into alcoholism. He cannot win this one despite his best endeavours.
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Pay back the $148,000 you stole from Taxpayers.

And explain why he used the Party to benefit his family, by having himself and other party members push his girlfriend’s employer’s drug in parliament on pharmac.
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September 22, 2014 8:57am
Lindsay Addie

I usually enjoy the NZ Herald’s political cartoons but isn’t today’s effort just plain old sour grapes?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/article.cfm?c_id=500814&objectid=11328948
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September 22, 2014 8:59am
KevinH

Great result.The sick bucket is ready for RB John Key said they will continue to hug the centreline.
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September 22, 2014 8:59am
duggledog

If you think a vote for the Conservatives, who got pretty damn close to 5%, is a wasted vote, then think again.

That result was a clear message to National, harden the f*** up. Colin will be in the House in 2017, mark my words.

Said the guy who posted several times this year that National would be able to govern alone.
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September 22, 2014 8:59am
Nukuleka

Chuck Bird: It looks to me as though voters made their views towards the over representation of the rainbow lobby in parliament pretty clear: Tony Milne, Tamati Coffey, Kelly Ellis, Maryann Street all given the thumbs down. Of course, any comments about gays in parliament are immediately labelled as ‘homophobic’ (we aren’t allowed to have any opinions these days unless they conform to the left’s social engineering manta). What Labour in particular don’t realise is that the gays that they in particular put forward as candidates are precisely the types that most NZers see as stereotypes and not as genuine, real people. Tony Milne in Christchurch Central was an appalling choice- weak, insignificant, anonymous. He will now disappear without trace. He made no connection at all with the voters of Christchurch Central. Nicky Wagner’s success was a magnificent achievement.
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September 22, 2014 8:59am
Lindsay Addie

A good day expected for the NZ finance markets. Business will be feeling confident.
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September 22, 2014 9:02am
Cunningham

I wonder if there is any possibility is that Labour will split. Just can’t see how they can continue and become united the way they are (regardless of leader).
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September 22, 2014 9:02am
ross411

Scott Chris (6,026 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 8:48 am
Hmm, so a million people didn’t vote this time. Perhaps it’s time to make voting compulsory, even if that involves voting for no one. It’s one’s duty to honour the Social Contract imo.

Honouring the social contract is paying your taxes and obeying the laws. If you don’t vote, you choose to have what the rest of the population decides. It doesn’t have to be any more complicated.
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September 22, 2014 9:02am
voltaire

A lot of credit for the ousting of Hone has to go to Murray McCully, by taking Shane Jones out Kelvin D came in on the list with the resourcing that goes with it and given that he had an unwinnable list position for election 2014 (guess he was way too much of a Waitakere Man) he went all out to win TTT and thus caused the demise of IM, so well done Murray.
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September 22, 2014 9:03am
Ross12

Scott
I have also thought compulsory voting might be the way to go but if you are not prepared to go out and vote you are not likely to make an informed decision if it becomes illegal not to. Given there are currently 1 million in this category then you have a very high probability of some crazy election outcomes. On balance I think we stay as we are and those that don’t vote don’t have “the right” to complain.
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September 22, 2014 9:04am
Jack5

The Leftist MSM continues its crusade against the Government even after National’s great win, if the Hooerald piece on Jason Ede today is any indication.

It seems to me a clue on why the media has been captured by Leftists can be gained by looking at the Massey University web site and looking at its school of media studies. Here’s an extract:

Media Studies seeks to analyse and understand the production, consumption, and content of the media, using an interdisciplinary approach drawing upon linguistics, textual analysis, cultural studies, aesthetics, politics, history and ideologies.We also consider the media’s codes, conventions and production techniques, bringing together a unique and innovative programme which blends theory with creative practice. The skills you develop throughout your study are versatile and highly sought after in many careers, with digital literacy becoming increasingly important across all sectors. You will be challenged to:

Explore the ways in which media texts create meaning
Analyse the relationships between media and society and how this influences our views of the world
Communicate your findings effectively in speech and writing
Tackle open-ended questions where there are no simple right or wrong answers
Develop creative and critical approaches to producing media

The “school of media studies” is part of Massey’s “College of Humanities and Social Sciences”, which is headed by Paul Spoonley. Could this be the same Spoonley who pops up in the MSM singing multiculturalism?

Regardless, the radicalisation and leftward shift of NZ’s MSM is obviously being financed by the poor bloody taxpayer.
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September 22, 2014 9:08am
itstricky

Why are you just quoting the tweets? Name and shame.

Unmmm, IGM?
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September 22, 2014 9:08am
hj

Black with a Vengeance (1,786 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 8:49 am

Was a vote for Winston first as wasted as one for the Colinservative party ?
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A vote for Conservative was wasted (as it happens) otherwise (between the two) they out polled the Greens who have reached their peak, trying to dragg the left along behind and environmental upfront.
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September 22, 2014 9:09am
kowtow

MT TINman

Act will come again, Conservatives hahahaha?

Come off it, Act is a National poodle. Even in the ACT stronghold of Epsom , (hahahahahahahaha), the Act party vote was miniscule.

National should have chosen their poodle better ,with a view to future elections.Conservative was the way to go.
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September 22, 2014 9:09am
prosper

Scott. It is most likely compulsory voting would favour the left. If you can’t be bothered to vote then you don’t care. Let’s leave it that way.
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September 22, 2014 9:12am
Griff

The number of votes for Davis wasn’t due to him it was mostly due to Hone selling out to dotcon and his inclusion of internet party being seen as a sell out by conservative urban Maori.
The smaller rural results early on strongly supported Hone it was only when bigger urban seats started coming in that hone started falling.
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September 22, 2014 9:13am
Sublime

Good point, Yvette. DPF blogged about that very issue last week.

He also pointed out that companies such as Warner Bros have an independent, third-party system which stores emails for legal reasons. I understand this is a requirement under the law and isn’t able to be cleverly manipulated by the party whose emails are being stored in this digital vault. So if it’s not there, we’ve got a phony! And we have a crime under New Zealand law.
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September 22, 2014 9:14am
MT_Tinman

Cowtow, ACT 1 seat, CCCP 0 (zero, zip, nada) seats.

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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September 22, 2014 9:15am
Lindsay Addie

Sean Plunket’s comments on the election he read out on Radiolive:
From his FB page:

“Good morning and congratulations to all New Zealanders who voted, pity more of you didn’t but we have a clear and unambiguous result.

Why did National win? Well they got more votes didn’t they despite an election campaign that was fundamentally a popularity contest between Kim Dotcom and John Key.

The left and in paticular Labour have some soul searching to do. Certainly the only knife edge David Cunliffe has is the one being sharpened behind his back but I do hope Labour and the left can lear n one lesson…….A majority of voting Kiwis simply do not believe them. They do not believe that 100 thousand plus Kiwi kids go to school hungry even though they know and are concerned many do.

They do not believe our rivers are being increasingly polluted by rapacious and greedy dairy farmers even though they do care about our environment.

They do not believe that simply giving more money to beneficiaries is the answer to our social woes even though they are prepared to pay for social spending that encourages people out of welfare and into the workforce.

They do not believe our security services are like the old East German Stasi mining their meta data and handing it on to the cia in return for a round of golf with Obama for John Key even though they want to live in a country that is as free from state prying into their lives as possible.

They do not believe the rich are hellbent on exploiting the poor in dickensian sweat shops even though many look at the very wealthy and wonder if they can ever be like them.

They do not believe John Key has horns growing out of his head and is the most corrupt politician ever even though they want some answers about Whaleoil, Jason Ede, Judith Collins et al.

They never believed Kim Dotcom, whaledump, Nicky Hager and Laile Hare weren’t playing dirty politics just like everyone else, even though they wanted to know some of the juicy details.

The left needs to understand that middle New Zealand has moved and the way it thinks and votes is light years away from the class warfare and hatred which it still adheres too. Maybe if they can move to we will have more people voting next election.”
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September 22, 2014 9:17am
shoreboy57

Looking forward to Campbell’s explanation of why Christchurch went blue
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September 22, 2014 9:17am
Griff

Colin crazys should have voted for whinny.
same political position and at least then you will be represented.
National did not play footse with Colin because he is not even center right he is social conservative and a moonbat.
Anti asset sales is left wing.
Binding referendum Colins bottom line was purely a populist position.
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September 22, 2014 9:22am
G152

Good result.
Now, can we do something about the bias of MSM ?
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September 22, 2014 9:22am
Hugh Pavletich

National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms | Federated Farmers | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1409/S00472/national-led-government-wins-mandate-for-rma-reforms.htm
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September 22, 2014 9:23am
Jack5

John Minto criticises the Hooerald for being insufficiently left-wing:

Mr Minto said the “political Establishment” lined up against Mr Harawira and cost him the needed electorate seat.
He also criticised the Herald for its coverage of the email that was to have been Dotcom’s Moment of Truth disclosure.

“I don’t think it’s fake at all.”

Was Minto’s brain irreversibly damaged by a police baton, or is he congenitally thick?
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September 22, 2014 9:25am
Lindsay Addie

Jack5,

That’s hilarious! Also last week Michael Bassett described Minto, Harre and friends as extinct volcanoes.
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September 22, 2014 9:27am
Lance

@shoreboy
I would go with vast right wing conspiracy and mind control rays from orbiting NSA satellites
If only foil hats had been widely distributed then ChCh would have been safely in the folds of the only true party of the people, none other than Labour.
Then they go on to demand that Key proves there is no NSA satellite mind control.
If he denies it the commentators say “pah”.. we know the truth.
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September 22, 2014 9:29am
kowtow

grief

So many of you lot constantly point out Craig is anti asset sales. But then what of the Notional stance. They were gutless when it came to asset sales and only engaged in a partial sale, remaining the majority shareholder, which makes the policy left wing. And in order to get the policy accepted by the sheeple they had to sell it as investment in social services rather than as an economically sensible policy of paying off debt.
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September 22, 2014 9:31am
Surely Knott

Public Watchdog went to Titirangi Ratepayers meeting with a committee including Greg Presland, and other Labour Campaign Activists, to talk about Corruption. HaaHaaHaaa. Funny. Corruption Watchdog would be picking up a strong scent trail there I would say.
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September 22, 2014 9:32am
kowtow

MT Tinmann

Is it a seat or a footstool?
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September 22, 2014 9:33am
dime

lol @ the herald. had a quick browse this morning. they aren’t taking it well.

“even though the polls didn’t reflect it, dirty politics had a big impact” or words to that effect BAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

if you were in charge of the herald, wouldnt you be worried that your paper totally misread the mood of the nation? its a hell of a thing to get wrong.

those pricks havent been reporting news for months. they have been doing their best to try an create it.
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September 22, 2014 9:34am
Lindsay Addie

A question. When does the Kim Dotcom extradition case come up before the court again?
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September 22, 2014 9:35am
hj

National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms | Federated Farmers | Scoop News
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You can’t say what an election win is a mandate for exactly. Last election Turie said the same thing “and for all our other policies”.
It could be that the election is like a dance. One couple up and dirty dancing , the other couple separate one with the girls, the other sitting with the boys.
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September 22, 2014 9:37am
chris

@Lindsay I think it’s in January
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September 22, 2014 9:37am
IGM

The Herald never gives up . . . large pic of the gutless wimpy faced Hager, and his opinion as a lead. This is the bastard we taxpayers are funding protection for, after he produced lies deception, and trouble. Let the scumbag defend himself, maybe he will get what he deserves.
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September 22, 2014 9:38am
Griff

Yip that’s why being right wing liberal I voted two ticks for ACT kow tow My vote will be represented in the next NZ government
Whereas you social conservatives voted center left with colon who was never going to be invited to join with National.
and LOST.
losers losers losers losers losers .
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September 22, 2014 9:38am
nasska

….”Is it a seat or a footstool?”….

At least it’s sited in the tent. The Godwhacks face another three years sitting cross legged in the mud praying for relevance.
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September 22, 2014 9:39am
stephieboy

David Sheaer talking enormous commonsense with Kathryn Ryan at the moment about a way forward for Labour.Again ham erring home the need for the development of strong centrists policies and ideas appealing to middle New Zealand. This and the 1 million voters that went to the Nata.Forget the 1 million that didn’t vote .Focus on those who take the trouble and care about voting and their political responsibilities.
About the only election night success for Labour apart from Kelvin Davis was Stewert Nash Napier.Intreviewed as well and echoed David Shearer ‘s sentiments about the challenging task of recapturing the center .I would say that would include minimizing the undue influence of radical rainbow and feminists elements.
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September 22, 2014 9:41am
hj

It would be interesting to see how residents voted. They get to vote here and their home country (except China). They could also tip the balance.

In the election campaign Key said it is very hard to immigrate here. It is very hard to get a PHD but many people get them. I don’t trust the government here any more that there figures on foreign buyers.

I think the left lost this election because of the elements that dominate party and media. In their eyes it is them or bigots
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September 22, 2014 9:44am
kowtow

nasskabigot says ,

“The Godwhacks face another three years sitting cross legged in the mud praying for relevance.”

Interestingly the majority of MPs in that tent swear themselves in on the Bible. As a politico-religious titbit ,which is the only party in the House whose members exclusively only affirm? I’ll tell you ,the Greens.That can’t be a coincidence.
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September 22, 2014 9:51am
Griff

OK I just got moderated out….. now who would find my posts offensive?
Do they actually contain offensive comments ? Or is it just conservonutters finding the truth to much to bear.

I hope that DPF starts punishing those who abuse the report comment button.
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September 22, 2014 9:53am
Tarquin North

On the subject of election disasters, Penny Bright managed to con more than 300 voters. This travesty means I lost my bet with David Garrett. Unlike Hone I will concede defeat and pay up. If DPF could pass my email on to Mr Garrett I would be most happy to organise payment.
Cheers,
Tarquin the loser!
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September 22, 2014 9:54am
stephieboy

hj, why Labour lost is as I suggested rather more straight forward and that is the battle for the hearts and minds of middle NZ.Avoiding the extremist rainbow and feminist agenda of the far left and the extremist anti gay bashing and anti minority groups like NZs Muslim community of the far lRight.
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September 22, 2014 9:57am
ciaron

Question, don’t you only get “moderated out” if the moderators agree that the post is offensive?

Edit: fair play Tarquin, I think Mr Garrett has posted his email before, if not I’m sure he’ll post it for you 🙂
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September 22, 2014 9:57am
dime

“Whereas you social conservatives voted center left with colon who was never going to be invited to join with National.
and LOST.
losers losers losers losers losers .”

The conservatives did us a huge favour. Without them national wouldnt be able to govern alone. (hone losing helped a bit too).

Without colin, we would be busy forming the next govt. every bill would have to go past dung for approval. sometimes he would stop one just so people knew he was still alive.

RMA reform coming up. easy.
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September 22, 2014 9:57am
Hugh Pavletich

A stomping win for National in NZ general election | Leith van Onselen | MacroBusiness Au

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/09/a-stomping-win-for-national-in-nz-general-election/
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September 22, 2014 9:59am
Griff

No five reports automatically put your comments into moderation. As I have been released the moderator on examination found I was not abusive.
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September 22, 2014 9:59am
nasska

….”Interestingly the majority of MPs in that tent swear themselves in on the Bible.”….

They probably don’t walk under ladders, always hang a horseshoe over the door & tend to be wary of black cats.

Old customs & superstitions die hard.
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September 22, 2014 10:03am
hj

The interesting thing about this election will be how much it becomes recognised as a rejection of certain left wing views and their proponents.
I notice Karol on the Standard saying keep calm and carry on. Nothing will change until those people are turfed out.
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September 22, 2014 10:03am
gravedodger

@ Scott Chris 08 48, we already spend too much getting tired dumbarse voters to treasure their gift of a free democracy.
If that is the value they place on their vote then it is better left to lie in a gutter, as it is valueless.
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September 22, 2014 10:11am
mandk

This letter has got to be a fake:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11329235

I mean, can anyone really be that stupid and delusional?
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September 22, 2014 10:12am
Paulus

Dot Crim’s extradition I believe is 16th February, but am sure it will be delayed a few more years yet.
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September 22, 2014 10:13am
Chthoniid

@Tarquin North

You have preserved your honour. So you have not truly lost [:)]
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September 22, 2014 10:15am
Kea

Griff (7,357 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 9:53 am
OK I just got moderated out….. now who would find my posts offensive?
Do they actually contain offensive comments ? Or is it just conservonutters finding the truth to much to bear.

I hope that DPF starts punishing those who abuse the report comment button.

How about DPF just scraps the dam button ?

It is an answer to a non-existent problem. This is the best blog in NZ, with even the PM saying what a great guy DPF is. I even heard DPF praised on Radio Red yesterday.

Censorship is not the way forward. With the rest of the country rejecting the left, DPF has decided to become more like the Standard ?

If my mate Griff says something I don’t like, then I want to see that comment and have-him-on about it. It is not like KB folk are shy about expressing their opinions, is it !
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September 22, 2014 10:16am
kowtow

grief as a matter of form ,and as you were addressing me in your “moderated out” post , I’d like to inform you I did not ,have not and will not send you or anyone else to moderation.
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September 22, 2014 10:23am
Griff

At a guess it was this comment which is extremely tame.
Griff (7,358 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2014 at 8:40 am

I personally voted for the Conservatives – and no, I don’t consider that a wasted vote,

Totally agree not a wasted vote for the simple reason that the conservatives lost so your votes had no effect on the outcome.
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September 22, 2014 10:23am
rouppe

Interesting to look at the price of the SOE energy companies this morning as at 1030am
* Genesis Energy up 6.77% (13 cents)
* Mighty River Power up 8.71% (21 cents)
* Meridian up 10.34% (15 cents)
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September 22, 2014 10:28am
ciaron

Well Griff, as offensive as I think you can be, it was not I.

having had a bit of time to reflect on the out come, my thoughts are these:

National with a clear majority: infinitely more happy about this than the alternative. But, I am concerned about how it will be used. Will we see more radical social & Labour policy whisked through without the public having a say?

Labour: Did better than I thought, they would… but they are no closer to figuring out why they are in opposition than in 2008.

Greens: Excellent result in my opinion, the less the better.

NZF: why oh why do people still find Winston credible/ believable/ trustworthy?

Conservatives: Gutted. so close, so far etc. etc. only time will tell if they can retain that 4%, and that will largely be dependant on what John Key does this term.

Maori: Disappointed for them. Not that I approve of a race based party, but FFS (Maori) people, they have delivered for you more than Labour ever wanted to!

UF: that was a pretty close shave. Wouldn’t have been disappointed to see Dunne out on his backside.

I/M: Cop that! Kelvin Davis is a hero… until he says something stupid or socialist 🙂

Act: ZERO. POINT. SEVEN. lets not kid ourselves that Seymour is only there because of the long standing silent agreement with National. And if his performance on the Nation yesterday is anything to go by, he’ll be eaten alive in the house.
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September 22, 2014 10:29am
Kea

Good on you Katie.

For those that want to shout into a self affirming echo chamber and engage in a circle-jerk, we have this site:

http://truebluenz.com/

or

http://thestandard.org.nz/

For those who want their views ruthlessly tested and confronted, we have KB. People have different ways of expressing themselves. I have observed that styles, views and language, all develop with people on KB. That comes from open debate and exposure to new ideas. Not from censorship.
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September 22, 2014 10:29am
Griff

Kow tow I dont like your politics but you are usually honorable and upfront.
I did not name anyone but it is reasonable to presume the faction responsible.
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September 22, 2014 10:29am
nasska

Griff

I think it was a systems error as one of mine went straight into moderation. I immediately suspected the Conservo narks too but they wouldn’t have had time to amass five hits to the abusive report feature.
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September 22, 2014 10:29am
Redbaiter

“I immediately suspected one of the Conservo narks”

Look out Narsekissa, the Christians are coming to get you.

I don’t think any Conservatives would be happy using the system DPF has set up. I have said before I will never use it.

Its something progs would go for though as they have never had any regard for the traditional principles that preserve liberty.

As for DPF protecting us from false complaints, its not going to happen or Big Bruv would have been gone long ago.
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September 22, 2014 10:37am
graham

Griff at 10:23 am

At a guess it was this comment which is extremely tame.

Not guilty. I haven’t used the “Report abusive comment” button yet since it’s inception. If I could be bothered I might give you a downtick for that, but I don’t think I even bothered with that. You’re right, it was extremely tame. 🙂
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September 22, 2014 10:38am
Other_Andy

rouppe says September 22nd, 2014 at 10:28 am

Yep, good day on the share market.
They must have been nervous.
My total share packet shot up by 8% this morning.
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September 22, 2014 10:39am
wreck1080

“So very odd that such venal and vile nastiness always seems to be from the leftists.”

Some exceptions of course, Cameron Slater would be one of the nastiest out there. Aaron Gilmore “don’t you know who I am” too.

But, generally nasties get excised by the right and embraced by the left.
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September 22, 2014 10:39am
Griff

We shall see.
Hopefully DPF will do a post at some stage on the report comment issue .
We had a similar event with d4j and sister hypocrisy being moderated out the other night.
I have not reported any of d4js offensive comments and doubt most of the usual liberal block would either.

you love playing good cop nasska 😆
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September 22, 2014 10:40am
Redbaiter

“I think it was a systems error”

I asked DPF about this and he gave no indication that was the case. More likely cheats (like Big Bruv) who have multiple accounts.
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