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Colville

Had a party for the wifes 50th last night, went really well with everyone in a great mood.
A few sore heads this morning for sure.

So how did that election thing turn out? 🙂
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September 21, 2014 8:00am
duggledog

Well I was drunk as a lord, but sober enough to see Key come through victorious. And yet, the morning after, there they go again.

Herald leads with ‘The HisTORY boy’. Article starts blah blah blah ‘Key’s enemies’

Well, don’t start with the Tory bit. That’s getting so old, trying to link National with the traditional UK Tory old boy’s club. Didn’t work for Matt McCarten, won’t work now.

Also, Key doesn’t have ‘enemies’. Just losers who lose because they are useless and become bitter.

The best thing about last night was seeing Dotcom’s face, and Harawira being shown the door. Harre is mental
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September 21, 2014 8:01am
holysheet

Now that the future has been settled for the next 3 years, its time to spend some money and employ more staff. Took a new employee on last week and will now look at increasing this by 2 -4 more.

Had initially been worried by the thought of the green melons having a disproportionate say in the left govt, but last nights result has given me the confidence to do the above.

How many other employers will be thinking the same?
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September 21, 2014 8:06am
duggledog

I predicted several times this year National would govern alone, based on nothing but a hunch, really. I’ll eat my hat later on – probably with a pint of Epic, but…

I was pretty close!

Congratulations National – and congratulations New Zealand for seeing right through the bullshit. Hager, Greenwald – it all seems to have backfired spectacularly. Ha ha f***ing ha
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September 21, 2014 8:08am
Rufus

And the business world breathed a sigh of relief. I know of a couple of big deals in the pipeline that were nervously awaiting the election results. Those will go ahead now.

Here’s praying they won’t get complacent and arrogant. Stability for another 3 years would be good.

Yay! to the VRWC for winning us another election!
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September 21, 2014 8:11am
IGM

The result makes one reappraise the future. No CGT, no interference in employment laws, no ridiculous wage rises, and plain common sense. The sleeze have been relegated to the gutters once more, and there they must stay.
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September 21, 2014 8:11am
Steve (North Shore)

On TV1 Boag reminding Susan Wood and co that the VOTERS won.
Suck it up lefties, we won, you lost. Stop crying over spilt milk
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September 21, 2014 8:13am
WineOh

Highlights for me:
1. Harawira taught a big lesson in honour- if you sell out your people then you will be punished for it
2. Throwing mud doesn’t work- the left has run one of the most negative campaigns that I can remember, and putting a “vote positive” poster on the street doesn’t change that
3. Leadership is the Key – this was essentially a vote on Key’s leadership capabilities, and Cunliffe’s ability to rebuild a fractured base. The performances by the two players were wildly different from each other
4. Money doesn’t win elections – Kim Schmidt and Colin Craig don’t get seats in parliament despite running very well funded albeit misguided campaigns.
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September 21, 2014 8:15am
georgebolwing

Does anyone know Kim Dotcom’s address. I would like to send him a thank you card for delivery John Key back into power.

Actually, it would be great if the 98.74% of the electorate who didn’t vote for Internet Mana to send him a card asking, respectfully, if he would please leave the country. OK, I know that he can’t since they took his passport away as one of his bail conditions, but he could always surrender to the extradition process.
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September 21, 2014 8:16am
OneTrack

New Zealand dodged a bullet.

And special thank you goes to Te Tai Tokerau. Thanks guys.
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September 21, 2014 8:17am
oldpark

What a win ,what a victory for John Key and his National Party.Special tribute and a shout out, must go out to the NZ Main Stream Media.Starting with the personal email thief called Hager. ,a so called Greenie.The Labour Party Channel TVNZs Corrin Dann .TV3s Campbell/Gower.Radio Stations.Red Radio,or radio NZ all their staff,.Radio Live all their staff, except Sean Plunket.,Newstalk ZBs Rachel Smalley.NZ Herald David Fisher.Dom-Post ,Andrea Vance.That is just the NZ media.With their cast of thousands, too many to mention.You all worked religiously, to undermine and denigrate the character of our man for all reasons and seasons John Key.With your venom and bile, you destroyed your own credibility.You made John Key’s win possible, and sweeter than honey.MSM for once,go and do something useful get a real job.Stop living off lies rumour and innuendo,and character assassination.
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September 21, 2014 8:18am
OneTrack

WineOh – “Leadership is the Key – this was essentially a vote on Key’s leadership capabilities,”

I think it was more about trust – Who do you trust to guide the country forward – National and Key, or the co-boat?

The co-boat lost.
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September 21, 2014 8:20am
ross411

TV3: The Nation, Cunliffe “Nobody has a right to this job and I don’t claim to” What was that stuff about people who challenge him being scabs then?

Whoever the black haired lady interviewing him is asking him some real hard questions, why didn’t they do this before the election?
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September 21, 2014 8:21am
oldpark

Thank you John Key,between you and your very successful National Party,you can make NZ “A Nation Once Again.”.
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September 21, 2014 8:23am
Dennis Horne

It’s absurd to suggest Colin Craig was trying to buy an election, and put him in the same boat as Schmitz. He ran a campaign based on his values and he paid for it – as someone always must. I believe he is as genuine as Schmitz is cynical.

You may think Rankin and McVicar are also “misguided” – as you put it. I don’t.
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September 21, 2014 8:23am
duggledog

Key’s victory speech said it all.

He basically said I don’t care who you voted for, I’m working for you regardless for the next three years.

Compare that with Labour / Greens – they’d be working for the NZers who voted them in, the other folk in the political spectrum would essentially be on their own.

The blood letting, blaming and infighting in Labour is going to be spectacular. Great sport
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September 21, 2014 8:26am
UrbanNeocolonialist

How long till Cunliffe is rolled, days weeks or months? Will he serve out his term or be whisked away for a nice bureaucratic posting for the UN or some other leftie trough? Will he still be resident in Herne Bay at end of year?

And does anyone who isn’t David Cunliffe still care what happens to David Cunliffe?
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September 21, 2014 8:27am
wat dabney

Did Penny’s Non-Ratepayers Association get in?
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September 21, 2014 8:28am
ross411

duggledog (1,501 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 8:26 am
Compare that with Labour / Greens – they’d be working for the NZers who voted them in, the other folk in the political spectrum would essentially be on their own.

I disagree. They’d do what they thought was best for the people of the country, regardless of the facts or the research against it. Too bad this would do so much damage. They know best, because the cause comes first.
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September 21, 2014 8:29am
ross411

TV3, The Nation:

Don’t know why Gower had ACT there, as he pretty much told them they were irrelevant and to each of their answers, told them they had no leverage to do anything so what was the point.

Then there’s Colin Craig. He is very well spoken, quite impressed. Good answers to Gower’s harder questions. I wish Cunliffe were this straightforward and clear.
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September 21, 2014 8:32am
oldpark

Best Election coverage TV3 .They buried the TVNZs cue news reader Dellow.Corrin Dann,Hoskins ,Street.Most people would have missed John Campbell interviewing John Key around midnight last night.I am not a fan of Campbell in fact he riles me up the same way as Cunliffe does.John Key interviewed by Campbells questions ,without Campbells bile was spectacular.The speech was even acclaimed by Linda Clark,no friend of National.Anyone who gets a chance ,tune in to TV3s John Campbell and our PM around midnight last night.Not to be missed,you will be glad you did.
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September 21, 2014 8:33am
Rodger Tocker

There will be Blood…on the floor of the War-room I suspect .
Hilarious how wrong all the tame pundits were,Bradbury,McCarten,Vance ,Edwards et al , all should be looking for new jobs ,maybe McDonalds is hiring?
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September 21, 2014 8:35am
Kea

Labour once marked itself as the party of the working masses and the common man. That was when Labour was strong. Fast forward to Helen Clark and we now have a party positioned to appeal to minority interests. A party that regards the average working man as an ignorant redneck (and rapist).

Q: How do you win a general election appealing to minority and fringe interests, while attacking the average bloke ?

A: You don’t
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September 21, 2014 8:36am
wat dabney

So, man of the people John Hadfield is gone, eh. With his pieces of silver.

One is reminded of a Simpsons quotation: “I’m not greedy, as long as I’ve got my health, my millions of dollars, my gold house, and my rocket car; I don’t need anything else.“
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September 21, 2014 8:36am
Scott Chris

Wonder who NZ first has come up with to replace the stunning intellectual talents of Horan and Lole-Taylor.
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September 21, 2014 8:40am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Te Ururoa Flavell sitting at the end of the bench. Where Cunliffe looked like he wasn’t invited to the table, and sat there anyway like a bit of a loser, Te Ururoa Flavell owns the end of the bench like a boss. Also has pretty good answers about damage done by Internet Mana both to themselves, and to his party. And how Maori have gone to Labour, and forgotten about past.

Speaks well about National being open to his party, and getting a seat at the table. Wonder if he would have said it about Labour? Hey, lets be honest, no-one believes that for a second.

Nice positive guy, came across well and answered questions competently.
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September 21, 2014 8:41am
Kea

georgebolwing (762 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 8:16 am
Does anyone know Kim Dotcom’s address. I would like to send him a thank you card for delivery John Key back into power.

You do that one and I will send a big thank you to Nicky Hager.

We could not have done it without you Nicky. Once again, you released your fictional political drama at just the right time 🙂
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September 21, 2014 8:43am
Scott Chris

Herald leads with ‘The HisTORY boy’.

Yeah, retarded headline. Read HIS STORY and weep.
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September 21, 2014 8:43am
Dennis Horne

I shall miss Hone Harawira. He always confirmed my prejudices so “nicely” … 😉
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September 21, 2014 8:45am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Shearer speaking. Very interesting. Talks about Labour out of touch. Gower challenges him and asks if he is positioning himself for being leader again. Lots of handwaving ensues and metaphors, and non-denial denials. Gower calling him on it, give an answer, say you don’t want to be leader. Where was this competent good question asking Gower before the election? Shearer bleating on about Labour being out of touch again. Gower shutting him up and asking him if he wants to be leader again. Another dodge, and non-answer. How many times can Shearer dodge it? Gower calls him on it again, says it’s not Groundhog Day, answer. Shearer says it is part of mix, and has to be looked at. Gower dismisses him and says “I have to wonder why you are in here.”
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September 21, 2014 8:46am
wf

The biggest losers are the MSM. If they’d resisted the temptation to indulge in mischief-making the results may have been less in National’s favour.
Playground bullies who indulge in gleeful spite, like little girls, don’t win because in the end, backs are turned and they are ignored.

And now Gower is trying to bully Shearer –

Thank goodness it’s a new day and the sun is shining.
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September 21, 2014 8:47am
Nookin

I was out last night and missed much of the fun. Tell me, did Penny kick Key out of Helensville? She promised faithfully and repeatedly that she would.

Andrea Vance
No. This is not a victory for dirty politics. This is New Zealand saying that it has had a gutsfull of the likes of hager, dotcom, glenwald, snowden, hairre, hone, et al trying hijack this country with money, spurious claims, criminal activity and ambush tactics. This is New Zealand telling the news media that New Zealanders know what is important to them and that they do not appreciate agenda driven hypocritical partisans seeking to superimpose their own views on the country. This was a defeat for dirty politics.

Various MSM institutions will have to reflect very carefully whether they can restore their integrity using the same tools that destroyed it.
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September 21, 2014 8:47am
georgebolwing

The massage is simple.

The parties that said things are good and getting better won and those that said they are bad and getting worse lost.
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September 21, 2014 8:48am
HB

Labour will need to move toward the centre. National has moved so far left with some of its policies (or the fact the haven’t revoked some of Labours) that it has cannibalised some of Labours votes.

I saw someone say earlier that this years turnout was higher than 2011, which is encouraging. Maybe in the future, technology could have a role in an even higher turnout? The census was completed by many online. Maybe if voting could be done this way, as well as the opportunity for early voting we could push closer to 90% participation?
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September 21, 2014 8:49am
Kea

A bonus is seeing the disturbing and creepy conservatives sink back into the swamp of political oblivion from which they came.

Has anyone called the facility to check on Red and see if he is responding to pharmacological interventions yet ? 😆
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September 21, 2014 8:49am
Scott Chris

IGM (224 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 8:11 am
The result makes one reappraise the future. No CGT, no interference in employment laws, no ridiculous wage rises, and plain common sense. The sleeze have been relegated to the gutters once more, and there they must stay.

No thanks to your wasted vote or your interminable whining.
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September 21, 2014 8:50am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Kelvin Davis. Clear answers, said he knew when Hone was bought out by Internet/Mana, he had a good chance. Oh dear, Gower asks if the Labour leadership let him down, and Davis is sucking up to the leadership and dodging the question. He is brown nosing to the party, despite what they did to him. Asked if he wishes to keep Cunliffe as the leader, more brown nosing about always supporting whichever leader.
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September 21, 2014 8:51am
James Stephenson

Turei’s deluded if she actually believes this “swing to the right” nonsense.
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September 21, 2014 8:51am
HB

Also congratulations to National.
I am happy that they have enough (along with just ACT and United Future) to govern. It could have been pretty messy otherwise, and this wouldn’t have been good for any of us
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September 21, 2014 8:52am
georgebolwing

Penny got 359 votes. She is slipping. In the mayoral race, she got more votes than John Minto, but yesterday Lilia Harre got 1,057.

I expect her to be on here soon telling that because she got more votes than the ACT candidate, she actually won.
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September 21, 2014 8:53am
Rodger Tocker

Arrant nonsense from Vance,

OPINION: So the Dirty Politics practitioners were spot-on. Nasty tactics do favour the Right.

In the grubbiest, most eye-bulgingly intense election campaign in living memory, National romped home.

The Left had nothing,they brought a tabloid news butter knife to an economic issues gunfight .
A total misreading of the public mood brought about by interviewing their keyboards and infected by wishful thinking and their reliance on clowns with political science PhDs and no real world nous.
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September 21, 2014 8:54am
Kea

I agree James. This is not a swing to the right. Modern day National knows NZ has a left leaning tradition that needs to be acknowledged and respected when making policy. That is why Key is so successful.

Ideological parties, of both left & right, have done poorly this election.
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September 21, 2014 8:56am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Winston. Honest about not getting into power, and having failed because of it. Talking down the economy, and National party being in trouble. Repeating the motif National in trouble in future in answers. People voted NZ First to keep NZ honest? WTF. This is the self serving politician that tried to hawk his girlfriend’s business in parliament. That took $158K he had no valid use for and which has never been seen again. Hahaha. Talking up how Labour is about self-serving people pushing own narrow issues. How they let down the opposition. Hahaha. Calling out the media for publicity for greens, whenever they barely had a cough, Greens would get on TV. Winston is very well spoken and direct at times, no wonder he charisma’d so many votes for his party out of nothing. He is talking about who Labour should be representing, and has forgotten.
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September 21, 2014 8:58am
oldpark

Heard Labour/Greens/Mana/Dotcon/Nzf.worked so hard in the election campaign..Probably spent most of their time smashing National Party signs.
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September 21, 2014 8:58am
fernglas

Dotcom shows his unfamiliarity with the niceties of the English language. Says his brand was “poisoned”. Think he meant “poisonous”
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September 21, 2014 9:00am
G152

I doubt Liebor got the message before the election that we don’t like dirty politics.
And I wonder if the lesson has sunk in.
The ‘war room’ wasn’t the brightest name for a political party headquarters.
And, hopefully, there will be several legal questions and a whole lot of karma in the future.
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September 21, 2014 9:01am
georgebolwing

Re-posted from the fag-end of the election night thread:

My advice to the various parties:

Labour. Decide whether you want to be a broad-based, mass-appeal party or a left-wing sect. If you want to be the former, stop saying that things are bad and getting worse, because they aren’t. Stop opposing absolutely everything National does.

The Greens. If you stay watermelons, then you are destined to stay in opposition, because Labour are at least six years away from power. Come up with a formula that allows you to work with a National government.

ACT. Either become a classical liberal party or disband.

Conservatives. If you want to be a serious political party, you have to have policies on everything that matters, not just a set of vague ideas. This is boring and hard work, but even Peter Dunne had a comprehensive policy manifesto.

Mana. Being angry is not a coherent political philosophy.

NZ First. Winston isn’t the king maker this time and must be on his last legs. Select his replacement quickly and do the work needed to turn a cult of personality into a real political party.

The Internet Party. The New Zealand political system isn’t for sale to the highest bidder. Please leave.

Maori Party. The National Party has more Maori MPs than your whole caucus. You need to work out really quickly how you will survive if their are no Maori seats.

National. Don’t change a thing.
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September 21, 2014 9:02am
Nostalgia-NZ

This may be the only MMP election result that has primarily become a 1st past the post result. I doubt this will be seen again and hope the advantages are taken, along with a ‘clean up’ and rules relating to issues made apparent in ‘Dirty Politics’ and which Bill English said weren’t his ‘style’ and JK said were unwise. In as much as this result is an endorsement for National and not for the left, it also is not an endorsement for the far right which is important to remember. Many may be celebrating as ACT or Conservative supporters but looking at their own results, rather than at Nationals, indicates that between them they couldn’t muster enough votes to bring a dynamic to the new Government – to me that is National’s ‘silent’ victory in the pragmatic path they have chosen.

In what is also an another apparent first was JK being greeted by a Haka when leaving his Parnell home last night, that has deep significance about where John Key has gone during his Parliamentary term and the mana he has brought back as a result. He has accepted the challenge in a most significant way.
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September 21, 2014 9:04am
fernglas

Just a quick one on the mass surveillance issue, which Harre wants to press on with. Those who have Telecom or Vodafone contracts should notice that they have agreed to allow access to information held for law enforcement purposes. So in effect, anyone who has such a contract has waived any right to privacy over data held by the telco’s. Nevertheless, metadata is still only obtained by warrant and communications content by interception warrant.
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September 21, 2014 9:04am
slijmbal

Gower is obviously p****d off that the left have screwed up in the attack politics – rude to ACT and the Cons – working hard to get anti Cunliffe statements from Labour.
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September 21, 2014 9:05am
Griff

georgebolwing
Well said
9/9 right
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September 21, 2014 9:07am
iMP

10 quick thoughts on the 2014 Election as a Conservative Party supporter after 25 years working with National across NZ (professionally, as a candidate and a volunteer).

1. A fantastic result for National and due congratulations. Historic and unprecedented. John Key was the key. Election in a word: STABILITY. NZers have moved to stop Winston Peters tail-wagging the government, parliament and economy. National’s last week message to not gamble with other C-Right options worked. Congratulations to my successor Nicky Wagner in Chch-Central who has turned a safe Labour seat (with help from the earthquakes) into a National seat.

2. High turnout and big swing to National locked Conservatives out.

3. We almost doubled our result from 2011 and got more than 4x the vote of UF and ACT yet get no representation in parliament. MMP is unfair. This is a repeat of 1996 (Christian Coalition vs UF and others minnows).

4. ACT & UF are not parties but empty sock puppets; UF got less than Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party. Seymour has no mandate in Epsom.

5. Labour is woeful and must undergo radical reform to de-factionalise and roll back the extreme special interest groups (Rainbow caucus, social engineering, sexuality and gender politics) and get back to a “Labour” (ie Workers) Party.

6. Kim Dotcom hurt the Left, and Hone Harawira brokered the deal, so suffers justice in Te Tai Tokerau, a result I am very happy about. Bye to toxic politics. Terrible result for the Greens, a huge failure for them.

7. Strong results in rural NZ for Conservative, better than in urban AKL seats where we focussed almost all our resources and focus. An over-emphasis.

8. The “christian vote” achieved more in 1996 than the “conservative” brand in 2014 but we have to modify that against the massive National surge.

9. Best line: Colin Craig 21/9: “No, John Key didn’t let us down, but he didn’t let us in.”

10. The steering message for Labour is their strong result in the Maori seats (6 out of 7). Get back to your West Coast roots and appeal again to “Waitakere Man.” Tim Barnett has to go, and the front bench needs to be out-selected for 2017. Mallard, King. The future of Labour is with poli.s like Nash and Kelvin Davis et al.
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September 21, 2014 9:11am
nasska

See that Trevor Mallard only just squeaked in by less than 400 votes in Hutt South. Congratulations to National’s Chris Bishop for pushing it to the wire yet the standout feature is Holly Walker’s 2693 for the Greens.

The morons who vote for the Green Commos were too thick to listen when she advised the electorate that she was standing down. A better example of well wasted votes I have yet to witness.
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September 21, 2014 9:13am
hmmokrightitis

fernglas, anyone who has a mobile has the same – for law enforcement purposes (not surveillance) and by warrant only, the Police are allowed access to phone records. And thank goodness they are.
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September 21, 2014 9:13am
deadrightkev

“It’s absurd to suggest Colin Craig was trying to buy an election”

Quite right. Craig earned it he spent it on trying to build a strong conservative party. Some would say he is crazy but that is because they don’t have the means or the spine that Craig has. Craig also doesn’t have the luxury of a century of political history and taxpayers money to throw around.

I notice blog low life extraordinaire Cameron Slater claims Craig tried to buy a ticket to parliament in the same vein as DotCom. What utter venal bullshit. Craig did the hard yards in the past three years and he will do the hard yards in the next three. He will be back in 2017.

Slater wouldn’t know if the postman was up him until he blew his whistle.
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September 21, 2014 9:15am
georgebolwing

@Nostalgia-NZ

There was a very subtle message in that magnificent haka. The boys doing it are from disadvantaged backgrounds who board in a hostel in the Auckland Grammar zone, so they can attend that school, thus getting a better start in life. Yes, that does say some uncomfortable things about the communities they come from and the schools they would otherwise attend. But it also says that there are people who care enough about their children to make sure that where they come from is not a millstone around their necks.
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September 21, 2014 9:17am
Other_Andy

iMP (2,353 comments) says September 21st, 2014 at 9:11 am

“10 quick thoughts on the 2014 Election as a Conservative Party supporter”

1 quick piece of advice for you and the Conservative Party.
Stop bashing ACT.
1. You are not competing for the same voter.
2. Voters don’t like parties that are trying to get ahead by pulling other parties down.
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September 21, 2014 9:18am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Russell Norman and Laila Harre.

Russell Norman first. Sounding reasonable at first. Gower pushing “swing to right” concept. Norman still sounding reasonable, dismissing Internet/Mana as being something he always considered a mistake. Norman still reasonable and relaxed, his wife must have given him some compensation nookie last night, all the frustration has been drained away. Talking down National as going to be unbridled power, don’t think he understands Key at all. Considers his party to be strong and well organised. No need to change the party, as all is good. Gower asking if voters are telling them to be more relevant. Norman denying and just saying that it was a bland desire for voters to remain with current government. I think Norman is well spoken and honest, but deluded with respect to his cause.

David Farrar and Rob Salmond.

Farrar looking healthy, crediting Key and Dotcom for National’s success. Nice shirt David. Thinks votes picked up off Labour and new voters. Mentions wasted vote to conservatives and Internet Mana helping more. People saying “I normally vote Labour, but don’t want Kimdotcom, so voted National.” Speaks like he is nervous a little, but quite on point.

Salmond. Labour down in asian, elderly, pacific.. everywhere but maori areas. Last night a disaster. Hahaha, saying no way can look at down 3 points from last election and it being anything than worse. Comment on Cunliffe’s victory speech from last night? Internet/Mana brought baggage and money, and baggage outweighted money.

Laila Harre to come I guess.
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September 21, 2014 9:19am
burt

A sensationally clear message was delivered to the unions last night. People don’t agree with fat cat political hacks clipping the minimum wage ticket to donate to assholes like Cunliffe.

The biggest disappointment last night – Mallard held his seat.
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September 21, 2014 9:19am
Kea

Some would say he is crazy but that is because they don’t have the means or the spine that Craig has

No. It is because Craig is unsettling, creepy and unappealing to the NZ people. He failed for the same reasons the other nutty fringe parties failed.

The Conservatives have NEVER been more than a lunatic fringe party, except in the addled imagination of some Kiwibloggers.
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September 21, 2014 9:20am
slightlyrighty

Just watching Cunliffe on the Nation (+1 replay). If the media had been like this with Cunliffe through the campaign, Nats would have polled 60%!

He’s whipped, and it shows. He’s let down his union allies, and his enemies are sharpening their knives. I note the ABC’s have done very well in their electorates. Mallard especially. Given that Hutt South party vote for the Nats was huge, beating Labour by 6000 votes, has Mallard been re-elected to put the wind up Cunners?
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September 21, 2014 9:22am
burt

How about that Hone eh…. I wonder if he looks in the mirror and the image staring back at him says – told you not to sell your people out to the rich white MO-FO’s !
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September 21, 2014 9:23am
KevinH

@georgebolwing
Penny got 359 votes.
Gee I didn’t know there were that many lesbians in Helensville, and that includes the blokes who voted for her to. Of course Penny’s head will be spinning with the votes she received and she will be talking them up but clearly she is irrelevant to the electorate at large.
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September 21, 2014 9:23am
Gravelroad

It is a fact that some in the media have been out of control during this election campaign.
Editors, publishers and advertisers need to take responsibility if they want to be taken seriously in future.

The lefts’ policies have not appealed to the voters – especially the capital gains tax and the greens manipulation of environmental knowledge.
All very well for KDC to be contrite now, but he and his supporters thought the f..k John Key campaign was very amusing at the time. Big mis-judgement there.
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September 21, 2014 9:25am
Whanga-cynic

Kelvin Davis on TV3 – Vote Positive was a good slogan but you can’t just be positive for two months, it has to be all the time (paraphrased).
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September 21, 2014 9:26am
geoff3012

La La was just so close to changing the Government……on The Nation now………BBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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September 21, 2014 9:28am
georgebolwing

@iMP

MMP is what it is. ACT, UF and the Maori Party got and will continue to get the support of National because those three parties, for all their differences, have shown that they can deliver consistent consistent to National. Consistency and being supportive are what the Conservatives have to deliver before they can expect to get anything back from National.

On consistency, that means having a coherent policy manifesto across all the areas that matter. John Key knows (most of the time) how ACT, UF and the MP will vote on individual bills. Hell, even NZ First could agree to a detailed coalition agreement with national in 1996 and consistently supported it in Parliament, up until the point where National pushed them to eat one to many dead rats.

On support, running ads and making comments constantly criticizing National is not the way to win friends. John Key has to know that the Conservatives will be part of the solution to his problems, not a problem in themselves.

So the conservatives have to move away from vague ideas and do the hard work to become a real political movement.
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September 21, 2014 9:28am
Rodger Tocker

A refreshingly honest performance from David Shearer,obviously he has had media training not an umm or an ahh to be heard.
I guess he is feeling relieved to have dodged a bullet and has got to be their best chance of leading Labour again once Cunliffe gets the arse card.
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September 21, 2014 9:28am
Kea

Radio NZ is just saying what a great political commentator David Farrar is. I wonder how things are going at the Standard 🙂
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September 21, 2014 9:29am
Nookin

Laila blaming national, thelabour party and the electorate. Claiming that they did good. Its everyone’s fault but hers and the internet party. Wont answer dann’s questions
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September 21, 2014 9:29am
nasska

IMP

….”We almost doubled our result from 2011 and got more than 4x the vote of UF and ACT yet get no representation in parliament. MMP is unfair. This is a repeat of 1996 (Christian Coalition vs UF and others minnows)”….

Suck it up! If you read the election results, 96 out of 100 New Zealanders want to get on with their lives without interference from Skyfairies & their terrestrial representatives. Only 4% want to bash their children, govern by populist referenda & turn NZ in into a theological wowser state.

In your crackpot policies lies the answer to your defeat.
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September 21, 2014 9:29am
ross411

TV3, The Nation: Laila Harre there, Hone pulled out. $3.5m, still couldn’t get there. Harre says came close.. hahaha in denial. Black haired lady calls her on it. Harre not a charismatic speaker, sounds a little dogmatic and preachy. Denying that Kim is responsible or poisonous, claims he was vilified. Wow, she is bought and paid for. Is her personal brand poisoned? Denies she has a brand avoiding the question. Disappointed people turned away from her. Has latched onto reasons for things, which aren’t attached to reality. She should shut up, lots of Cunliffe style avoidance and overtalking. Doesn’t answer clearly, so gets interrupted all the time. Still talking woodenly, with her talking points. Why is the black haired lady letting her rant?
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September 21, 2014 9:31am
Other_Andy

@georgebolwing

Good analysis…
When Winnie goes, Graig is poised to take voters from NZF…
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September 21, 2014 9:31am
burt

Nookin

A lefty blaming everyone else when they fail. That’s a fresh approach.
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September 21, 2014 9:31am
Kea

nasska, can you remind us who led the Christian party back when the movement was doing better ?

Kea forgot.
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September 21, 2014 9:32am
Lindsay Addie

Old Paddy Gower was pretty feral on The Nation this morning. 🙂
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September 21, 2014 9:33am
nasska

Wasn’t a nice bloke by the name of Capill was it Kea….whatever happened to him?
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September 21, 2014 9:34am
Kea

nasska, That’s right, it was Capill.

He is out now isn’t he ? Maybe that is the big resurgence of the Christian right that Red has been foretelling all these years ?
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September 21, 2014 9:37am
Griff

Now now Nasska squawk Griff was threatened with a libel suit for adding that nice mans record to a post with Colon Grag in it.
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September 21, 2014 9:38am
waikatogirl

Aaah, feeling relaxed this morning… Thank god we are looking forward to another 3 years of stable, sensible economic growth. Businesses have been holding their breath, no big decisions for the past couple of months till this awesome election result.

We are looking forward to taking on staff and growing our business now. 🙂
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September 21, 2014 9:40am
Kea

” Griff was threatened with a libel suit ”

Griff, really ?

Clearly banning freedom of expression it is another Conservative policy, along with banning booze and drugs and thrashing sinful little children within an inch of their hell-bound lives ❗
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September 21, 2014 9:42am
Nostalgia-NZ

georgebolwing: Yes I got the gist of the situation those young men are in from the tv coverage, hard to absorb the depth of it all in such eventful hours so soon after election day, but appreciating the honesty of the message has high lighted the significant and wise foundations laid for the future. My highlight I think, along with the absolute majority.
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September 21, 2014 9:43am
KevinH

Politics aside, the biggest winner on the night is the New Zealand economy. The National Party win will give business people throughout New Zealand the confidence to make the decisions that will grow their companies, to employ more staff and to develop growth orientated business models against a backdrop of political and economic stability. New Zealand has been through the tough times and survived and now is the time to seriously invest in the future, and also enjoy the rewards of hard work.
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September 21, 2014 9:44am
stephieboy

The Result a TRIUMPH OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY and a decisive no to both the Rabid Left and Right.The center right holds.
I must add the Conservatives will be soooo .. Disappointed .!
But I’d have to say it is in part due to the low grade tquality of many of their rightwing nut supporters who post here as kea alludes to.
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September 21, 2014 9:46am
Griff

I have some demerits from dpf for sailing to close to wind with that mans history and another commentator in the same post
We may get an amnesty for our past transgressions from oct 1 with DPF’s new moderation policy.
FFS squawk a clean slate balanced by a stricter regime… dont blow it and end up sitting in the naughty corner even more.
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September 21, 2014 9:49am
Kea

stephieboy, try and be “nurturing” to Redbaiter, when he finally comes out of hiding 👿
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September 21, 2014 9:49am
Belinda

So what happened to Pam Corkery? Was she spotted anywhere last night or has she fled the country?
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September 21, 2014 9:51am
adze

@ross411

Don’t know why Gower had ACT there, as he pretty much told them they were irrelevant and to each of their answers, told them they had no leverage to do anything so what was the point.

Yes, Gower was very rude to Whyte in particular. Basically told him “how do you like them apples, now piss off”.

http://i.imgur.com/Z3SrIbK.png
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September 21, 2014 9:53am
Kea

Griff, yeah I am not going to bother casting pearls before swine this time, when dealing with rabid christian zionists. Last time I got demerits for all kinds of unusual things, not just “abuse”. I was targeted for what some imagine my views are.

Funny thing is… when I joined KB it was to get something off my chest. And guess what that was ?

I joined KB to rant about how Western culture was under threat from Islam and how white liberals were to blame. However, I was so shocked by the hypocrisy and extreme views of the resident zionists, I had to address it.

That is the truth.
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September 21, 2014 9:56am
tedbear

Not a Labour supporter, but my suggestion to that party is a new name, new brand, new leader, new candidates.
Everything relating to Labour is like water under the bridge, a bygone era where unions had a lot of say.
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September 21, 2014 9:56am
dad4justice

“Mr Craig said he wanted Conservative voters to know their vote had not been wasted.”
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September 21, 2014 9:58am
nasska

Kea

Discretion is the better part of valour not to mention continued commenting privileges. Leave the Zionist subject alone.

At last the progs are back up to full strength! 🙂
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September 21, 2014 10:00am
Kea

Footage of the Conservative party office taken this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpJiAG5Xzo
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September 21, 2014 10:01am
nasska

….“Mr Craig said he wanted Conservative voters to know their vote had not been wasted.”…..

He didn’t mention what it had actually accomplished did he Dad?
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September 21, 2014 10:02am
Griff

I joined KB to rant about the racist scum festering in New Zealand Politics
Hatfields committing Seppuku as we speak and the Maori party have become a moderate force by their inclusion.
All we need now is to remove the distortion of the Maori seats and NZ democracy will be free of the overtly racist politics that it has suffered from
Just dont mention the weather kea and we will get along fine.
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September 21, 2014 10:04am
Lindsay Addie

The left this morning are in total denial.

Laila Harre thinks her mob came close to changing the government last night (WTF!). Labour are saying that they don’t know why they such got a bloody good rogering from the voters. After six years they still haven’t figured out why they aren’t resonating with the middle of road Kiwis. Well Labour everyone else knows why.

And to top it all off Peters is now the self proclaimed leader of the opposition!
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September 21, 2014 10:06am
oldpark

When I heard the German/dotcom attempting a mea culpa,i thought of the song.’Whose that person dressed in black,must be a hypocrite turning back’,’go tell it on a mountain’.
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September 21, 2014 10:06am
Kea

Speaking of weather, did you call it right for election day ? 😉

Yes i agree with you on most things, including the distortion of Maori seats. I hold all people to the same values and principles.
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September 21, 2014 10:07am
stephieboy

tedbaar , interesting points and Labour needs to searchingly turn itself into a modern thinking and acting social democrat party.
The real dilemma for Labour is that John Key has put his party firmly in the center of N Z politics .A lurch to far too the right and curry favour say with ACT could easily undo that.
It will always be difficult for lLabour as they experienced a similar situation under Sir Keith Holyoake.
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September 21, 2014 10:08am
Scott1

Simply labour just isn’t an effective election winning machine.
partly a result of idealists resisting pragmatism, and partly a result of the greens sitting there waiting to take their vote (and becomeing the ‘real’ opposition party).

In the end I suppose they prefer perpetual opposition until maybe one day national get’s way too over confident, and tried to push through a policy like reinstituting the death penalty.

I think I’ll call 2017 now – national wins barring something miraculous.
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