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hj

In The Green Room [There’s a Left Door].

tussock, in reply to Stephen Keys, 8 days ago

So why are they the only Green Party in the world not actively promoting “steady state” economics?

I think you’ll find the New Zealand situation fairly unique in our potential for massive growth in renewable energy, at least compared to Europe. There’s room here for a bigger economy with far more local manufacturing and added value on our exports while also improving the local and global environmental impacts.

Which is to say, we’ve more room to grow than others. The concept is that infinity is an unwise target, not that we can’t ever catch up.

Rich of Observationz, in reply to tussock, 7 days ago

fairly unique in our potential for massive growth in renewable energy

Exactly. And there’s an argument that by growing sustainably and taking a reasonable number of immigrants, we are easing the burden on more populous and strained ecosystems, like Europe and China.

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/in-the-green-room/
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September 1, 2014 8:00am
Viking2

First.

The strongest factor for success is Self Estem,
Believing you can do it, believing you deserve it, believing you will get it.
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September 1, 2014 8:00am
Colville

hmmm…
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September 1, 2014 8:00am
Redbaiter

The People’s Liberation Army the financial power behind the National Party? –

China Declares Australia a Military Threat Over US Pact

China’s state-run media have declared Australia a threat to its national security, after Australia finalized a 25-year military pact with the United States.

Li Jie, rear admiral of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy, told Want China Times that Australia could pressure China’s supply lines in the Strait of Malacca in a conflict over the South China Sea.

“Australia is therefore likely to become a threat to China’s national security,” it states.

China has previously threatened Australia for aligning with the United States.

A source who formerly worked in U.S. intelligence told Epoch Times that, around 2010 and early 2011, China was trying to strong-arm Australia with indirect threats.

The threat went along the lines of “If Australia was attacked, the United States wouldn’t get here in time to save you. You should align with China instead.”

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/877760-china-declares-australia-a-military-threat-over-u-s-pact/
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September 1, 2014 8:01am
hj

And there’s an argument that by growing sustainably and taking a reasonable number of immigrants, we are easing the burden on more populous and strained ecosystems, like Europe and China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM1YU-Ni_84
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September 1, 2014 8:02am
iMP

“The strongest factor for success is Self Estem…” but not spelling.
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September 1, 2014 8:07am
kowtow

imp

…..and claiming first when second!
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September 1, 2014 8:10am
Viking2

Ran out of edit time and anyway if I spoke it to you would you know I spelt it wrong.
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September 1, 2014 8:11am
hj

Exactly. And there’s an argument that by growing sustainably and taking a reasonable number of immigrants, we are easing the burden on more populous and strained ecosystems, like Europe and China.

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/in-the-green-room/
More Likely the goal is changing society:

Fantastic piece. Thanks so much.
Vancouver’s experience is probably like Canada’s on the whole. Trudeau brought in multiculturalism by federal directive in the 70s (“Although there are two founding peoples there is no founding culture…” and that mirrored Laurier before him…) Then in 1982, multiculturalism was enshrined in the Charter. Then in the mid-80s a Conservative PM enacted the “Multiculturalism Act”.
Now in Canada’s large cities it’s somewhat amusing to hear people speaking English. Fourth generation Canadians are seen as an amusing relic. Do you eat roasts? Do your parents wear sweaters to dinner and talk about classical music, ha ha ha?
The reality is that in NZ, the hegemony of Anglo Saxon culture refuses to die. The Interfaith dialogue was a fantastic example of that. Also, we never had (much) immigration from Central, Eastern or Southern Europe. We still treat South Africans and Pomps as “one of us”.

Danielle:

allow excessive immigration to wrest control of our destiny from ourselves
Actually, rereading this utter twaddle has inspired me to say: dude. You know that people have been saying almost precisely this in NZ (and Australia, and the USA, etc) for well over a century, right? Over and over and over again, you read this sentiment in contemporary newspapers and magazines and political speeches… it’s just flat-out reactionary bollocks. If you read any of the literature on the history of immigration to societies like ours, the children of overseas-born parents ‘assimilate’ perfectly well into the dominant society (whatever that happens to be at the time). I think you both underestimate how hegemonic socialisation can be in a country as isolated as ours, and also overestimate the ability of groups of immigrants to undermine that hegemony and create something totally different. At ‘worst’, you wind up with people who can speak two languages and enjoy both Vegemite and halva (or whatever). It’s just not that big a deal, surely?

Sacha, 3 years ago
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wrest control of our destiny from ourselves
Comes down to who we think “ourselves” is, and whether we acknowledge it changes over time.

http://publicaddress.net/speaker/what-diversity-dividend/
The Greens have their own form of dirt?
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/dirt-alert-are-greens-and-labour-about.html
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September 1, 2014 8:11am
Viking2

I was no.1 but it changed when I did an edit to add the words of wisdom.

Go to work and make yourselves useful. Bill needs your tax.
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September 1, 2014 8:12am
Pete George

“Prime Ministers come, Prime Ministers go.”

Same for mud wrestlers. Slater’s long game is as good as pig shit.
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September 1, 2014 8:13am
eszett

Viking2 (11,267 comments) says:
September 1st, 2014 at 8:00 am
First.

The strongest factor for success is Self Estem,
Believing you can do it, believing you deserve it, believing you will get it.

Seems like you came second. 🙂
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September 1, 2014 8:17am
Viking2

iMP & KK

Guess what.
You have a brand new week ahead of you to slay Dragons, sweat more., GRIPE LESS, and ditch the fear.
Go get it done.
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September 1, 2014 8:18am
eszett

Viking2 (11,269 comments) says:
September 1st, 2014 at 8:12 am
I was no.1 but it changed when I did an edit to add the words of wisdom.

Even worse.
Winning and then giving it away!

😉
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September 1, 2014 8:20am
oldpark

Here we have the so called independent NZ Main Stream Media,completely unbiased.Let us take a closer look.The trade union movement desperate for traction, to install a pretender in the job of Prime Minister.The union members have poured thousands and thousands of dollars to the coffers of the inept inane Labour Party.They are quite happy to get their man Cunliffe by fair means or foul into the PMs job.Total examples.TVNZ with a Cunliffe look-a like called Corrin Dann night after night putting his left of left comments against Nats.TV3 the home of a few trolls.Gower,and useless” only the lonely” Campbell.Their lies would if challenged would see them sued for libel The print media ,all combined to kneecap the National Government.Radio Live,with its popularity of being in the margin of error,really doing poison daily from their overpaid has beens.Lets us not forget Newstalk ZB, the lardo heifer lady called Smalley ,or even pea brain,all running her mouth off, doing her bit attempting to discredit the present Government.Have yet to hear any of the mentioned ask Cunliffe about his secret donors,especially one of them it is alleged is the German Criminal SCHMIDZ/DOTCON.Collectively the so called union infested NZ Media affiliated to Labour Party,are looking for their pound of flesh,even if it takes many many lies, rumours, and innuendos, to make it happen.
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September 1, 2014 8:20am
Tauhei Notts

Today’s the Day for thoroughbred stallions.
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September 1, 2014 8:22am
Nostradamus

Even worse than that, eszett – he was gazumped by an hj-inspired rant!
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September 1, 2014 8:23am
Tarquin North

Can we hurry up and have the election? I’m utterly sick of sideshows and people who see a few stolen words taken out of context as conspiracy against everyone and everything they hold dear.
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September 1, 2014 8:24am
Don the Kiwi

I wish Slater would just come up and drop the balance of the stolen e-mails that Hager didn’t release that would compromise the Left, and then watch the arsehole squirm and pucker. He must know what they are now.

I just wonder if that’s what he’s brewing up – it’s not like him to be so quiet for so long.
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September 1, 2014 8:29am
EAD

Good article by Peter Hitchens in today’s Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2738775/PETER-HITCHENS-If-Dave-pals-clever-elite-does-Nigel-make-look-stupid.html

Some lines:

“Any thinking person has been able to see for years that the Tory Party hates conservatives. It is a roadblock, not a road, championing the elite against the people.

It has no actual policies either, only negative smear campaigns, falsely portraying Ukip as mad Nazis, or Ed Miliband as some kind of Trotskyist loony.

The party leader has never pretended to be anything other than he is – the heir to Blair. That is why so much of the Left-wing media prefer David Cameron to Ed Miliband”

If we were to change the following words, would this read much like New Zealand Politics?

Tory – replace with “National”
UKIP – “Conservatives”
Ed Milliband – “David Cunliffe”
Blair – “Clark”
David Cameron – “John Key”
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September 1, 2014 8:30am
Ross12

Oldpark

Agree. As I said the other day , for National to win they have to beat the MSM. The other bit of beating Labour/greens will look after itself.

Traquin North — I think the vast majority of Kiwis agree with you.
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September 1, 2014 8:31am
Colville

Tarquin.

I think if it were held today the wrong side would win!

We need to hear policy from a cool calm strong Key 🙂
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September 1, 2014 8:31am
Ross12

BTW –Who is paying Mathew Hooten ?
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September 1, 2014 8:32am
kowtow

“Go to work and make yourselves useful. Bill needs your tax.”

Cheek. Coming from someone who stayed up all night to be No 1 but ended up No2 ,to lecture us on SUCCESS but is now spending his time excusing his failure.
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September 1, 2014 8:33am
flipper

Cameron Slater has a couple of important observations this morning that the left wing “scum” (as he would probably describe them) need to contemplate :

*** “Watching the left wing dance and celebrate a criminal act says more about them than me. I can defend myself but in doing so I would breach the confidences of my sources, my media colleagues and the politicians I converse with.

“I won’t stoop to their levels, nor will I stop what I do, because to do so would be to cave in to terrorists, people with no moral compass, terrorists who think nothing of breaking the law to get what they want as they attempt to hijack an election.

“I only hope the media personalities currently wallowing in the muck don’t ever become victims of these criminals who decided that they no longer like them and decided to unpack their lives.

“I will continue to conduct myself with gravitas and calmness in the face of this brutal character assassination, knowing that it isn;t me breaking the law, it is them, their enablers and their media apologists.

“Yes media…think about this…when you use my stolen emails, you are aiding and abetting a crime and you are in receipt of stolen goods too.

“The more you do the more the damages will be. Think that through as I pay out the rope.”

So….. Dann (and his producers), Gower, Campbell (whose show does not rate 50% of Whale’s daily visits)Armstrong (and the Herald mob), Small, Watkins, and the Red Radio branch of the Labour/red melon party, had better take note. I suspect that they will find themselves summoned to appear before a Commission of Inquiry …. where any privilege will be tested to the accompaniment of snide counsel observations. And then there will be Mr Hager. His hagerisms will count for nothing, since he has already burnt his “source” bridge. And, unless I am woefully out of touch, there is no “fifth” in NZ. Could not happen to a better bunch of left wing prostitutes , claiming to be “reporters”.
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September 1, 2014 8:39am
Redbaiter

The party leader has never pretended to be anything other than he is – the heir to Blair. That is why so much of the Left-wing media prefer David Cameron to Ed Miliband”

If we were to change the following words, would this read much like New Zealand Politics?

Good comment EAD- you’re dead right.

Idiot NZers besotted with the far left John Key are the same drooling morons who supported Helen Klark for 9 years.
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September 1, 2014 8:41am
iMP

Dear Wiking 2….the fear of speeling is everywhere. It’s eroading our polytics ..OH THE HUMAN-ITY.
Mind you, my selfie stem research in jeanetics is going well.
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September 1, 2014 8:42am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Is the Inspector-General of the SIS going to ask the fundamental, pivotal question – why did the SIS have ANYTHING to do with the National Party political, highly partisan Office of the Prime Minister, whose unregulated role which is NOT covered by statute, is to protect Prime Minster John Key as LEADER OF THE NATIONAL PARTY?

Why did the SIS not deal with the politically neutral, independent, top level public servants from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC), whose role is to provide top level, impartial advice to the Prime Minister in his position as the head/ LEADER OF THE NZ GOVERNMENT?

Why is no one else making a fuss about this?

The sooner I’m in the House as the Independent MP for Helensville – the better.

If there was ever a time for a fiercely independent, anti-corruption, PROVEN Public Watchdog to be asking the hard questions from inside the House, in order to help clean it up and stop dirty, despicable, corrupt politics – it is NOW!

Penny Bright
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September 1, 2014 8:42am
jcuk

I am sick of the endless jabba on Morning Report etc … when is it going to return to being a news report programme?
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September 1, 2014 8:43am
Redbaiter

Amazing- A National Party MP shows a bit of FIGHT..!!!

No doubt John Key will demand that she apologise for any “offence” given.

And she will be crucified by the communist media who just love their tax payer funded radio and TV stations..

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/local/24860980/fiery-broadcasting-debate-in-auckland/#

Ms Barry launched an unprovoked attack on Bomber Bradbury, in the audience, and Laila Harre behind her on stage. Incensed, Ms Harre stepped forward, eyeballing Ms Barry and for a moment it seemed the two might come to blows.

Good on you Maggie. Keep that up and I’ll support you to take over from Jellyfish Key when he quits.
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September 1, 2014 8:45am
Redbaiter

I will continue to conduct myself with gravitas and calmness in the face of this brutal character assassination, knowing that it isn;t me breaking the law, it is them, their enablers and their media apologists.

FFS…!!

Is this self absorbed self confessed big noting idiot for real???

That the Nats give Slater and his prog mate Lusk any credit at all shows why they’re such a hopeless non event these days.
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September 1, 2014 8:50am
oldpark

When Judith Collins cut of the slush funds from ACC to Labour Party via trade unions.The Labour Party affiliated MSM, trade unions went feral.A council of war by the leffto media TVNZ TV3 etc was called, for an all out smear and character assassination on Judith Collins.
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September 1, 2014 8:51am
Jack5

I heard on Radio Labour’s media programme on Sunday morning that David Farrar had already signed up to the MSM’s policing body – is it the Press Council?

Thank you David Farrar for all your tolerance and generous provision of time and facilities for us posters over the years. I don’t think the MSM mob have anything to teach you, DPF.

Let’s hope any new regime doesn’t kill Kiwiblog with blandness, or protect the left-lurching MSM, or stop us from kicking mongrel trolls from the Standard.
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September 1, 2014 8:53am
Lindsay Addie

Redbaiter 8:50am,

Go easy on him, after all like Collins he’s a ‘victim’.
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September 1, 2014 8:53am
Inthisdress

Have Collins, Slater, and Cactus lost the election for National?
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September 1, 2014 8:54am
RRM

Sorry for a repost … but I’ve got to hand one thing to Colin Craig –

The other day we received a big, glossy, 8-page A4 flyer explaining the Conservative Party’s view that there are too many immigrants and too much foreign investment, and setting out their policy for what they will so about it if elected.
It’s not a policy I agree with, but 10/10 for making the effort to explain themselves and court my vote like an adult, no-one else has made that effort.
Meanwhile…
I’ve just witnessed a rosette-wearing, blue suited c-list foot soldier of the NATIONAL PARTY shamble up our street in Featherston stuffing pamphlets in letterboxes. With his big shambling yellow dog on a long rope, pissing on our letterbox, chasing our chickens, pissing on our neighbour’s tea rose, chasing HER chickens, pissing on HER letterbox… (the DOG I mean…)

Not the flashest look, National…
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September 1, 2014 8:56am
Redbaiter

“Go easy on him, after all like Collins he’s a ‘victim’.”

🙂 🙂

Yep, a victim of his own self delusion.

A political Homer Simpson who makes Walter Mitty look sane.
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September 1, 2014 8:56am
EAD

This weekend;s most shared news article comes from the UKs Daily Mail and it shows that despite all the far left extremists warning of “runaway global warming” which would cause all the worlds ice to melt, the Arctic Ice Sheet is now 63% thicker than 2 years ago!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

I wonder if our 3 headed National/Labour/Green hydra party will now reconsider their extremist positions?

Does John Key still think he should keep destroying businesses with crippling energy costs and “doing our fair share” to fight a problem that does not exist?

http://johnkey.co.nz/archives/1475-Doing-our-fair-share-on-climate-change.html

Are the Conservatives (like UKIP in Britain) the only NZ political party that will stand for truth and reason rather than fear, lies and hyperbole in the great climate fraud?
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September 1, 2014 8:59am
kowtow

Red

Barry is just another prog. Supported so called marriage equality.BTW the level of journalism in that article was crap.Didn’t tell us anything about the bust up.had a cheap shot go at CC. And also displayed prog new talk “spokesperson.”
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September 1, 2014 8:59am
hj

The Greens, I think, are in the unusual – and unprecedented in our recent political history – position of making the transition to major party status. In policy terms, that entails moving from principle to practice – are they there yet? I’ve sought your questions on that score and will be putting them to the Greens’ co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman at part of The Green Room, the second-screen companion broadcast to the TVNZ debate.

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/earning-confidence/
In The Green Room
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/in-the-green-room/

Question

Stephen Keys, 9 days ago
The Greens talk a lot about sustainability and how the current economic policies aren’t working. So why are they the only Green Party in the world not actively promoting “steady state” economics? Too hard? Too unpopular? If the current system is deeply flawed, why just tinker with it with Labour??

tussock, in reply to Stephen Keys, 8 days ago

I think you’ll find the New Zealand situation fairly unique in our potential for massive growth in renewable energy, at least compared to Europe. There’s room here for a bigger economy with far more local manufacturing and added value on our exports while also improving the local and global environmental impacts.

Which is to say, we’ve more room to grow than others. The concept is that infinity is an unwise target, not that we can’t ever catch up.

Rich of Observationz, in reply to tussock, 7 days ago

* fairly unique in our potential for massive growth in renewable energy*

Exactly. And there’s an argument that by growing sustainably and taking a reasonable number of immigrants, we are easing the burden on more populous and strained ecosystems, like Europe and China.

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/in-the-green-room/

More likely just a (weak) justification of policies for social change?
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September 1, 2014 9:05am
Redbaiter

Yes Kowtow, you’re perfectly correct on all counts, especially about the “journalism”. Like so much of the work of today’s “reporters” its so biased its really just a partisan left wing propaganda piece rather than a news report.

Pity though that Maggie wouldn’t wake up. She’s definitely got some fight in her.
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September 1, 2014 9:06am
Redbaiter

NZ denial over the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s attempts to gain political and military influence in the Sth Pacific is pitiful to observe.

They’re working hard on NZ and Australia and it sticks out like dogs balls to anyone with a brain.
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September 1, 2014 9:10am
publicwatchdog

Words are cheap.

Where’s the PROVEN track record?

What has Colin Craig and HIS CONservative Party ever done for the public or the public interest apart from stand for public office?

Given Colin Craig’s close working relationship with property developers – what’s his ( sorry – his CONservative Party’s) policy on a Capital Gains Tax?

(Asked of course in a caring way 🙂

Penny Bright
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September 1, 2014 9:11am
Lindsay Addie

Today’s cartoon from the NZ Herald, not one for Whaleoil’s apostles:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/article.cfm?c_id=500814&objectid=11317081

🙂
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September 1, 2014 9:16am
Colville

Penny. @ 9.11
It just shows how little you know about the world.
Colin Craig owns a vast property management company.
He gets paid a percentage on rental return.
It is very very much in his intrest to see a capital gains tax brought in because rents will skyrocket and his companies profits will skyrocket alongside.

Now how dim are you? asked in a caring way of course 🙂

Oh yes… and it is my name above this post.
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September 1, 2014 9:20am
All_on_Red

Penny
I understand that Colin is going to use his connections with developers to help solve the Housing shortage. When in Government he will seize all this houses behind in their Rates, knock them down and put up apartments.
I hear he has his eye on one site in grey Lynn. Have you heard anything?
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September 1, 2014 9:22am
IGM

Public Dog: One thing Colin would have done is pay his rates, along with supporting himself . . . something you would not understand!
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September 1, 2014 9:23am
Griff

Ead
63% thicker than 2 years ago?
Fail wing nut
It is not 63% thicker ……. you are the thicko for getting science from a gossip centered tabloid rag.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/climatechange/global-sea-ice-update-3/32078324
5 lowest extent on record……!
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September 1, 2014 9:24am
Tom Barker

“I will continue to conduct myself with gravitas and calmness in the face of this brutal character assassination”

or

“My job is smashing their faces into the ground”

Which of those sounds like the authentic Whale Oil?
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September 1, 2014 9:33am
mandk

Griff: “5 lowest extent on record……!”

Going all the way back to 1979.
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September 1, 2014 9:42am
oldpark

Been hearing a bit recently about another little man known as Campbell alias Hooton, or is it Pooton.How appropriate.
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September 1, 2014 9:43am
publicwatchdog

Why has Transparency International NZ had nothing to say about these corruption revelations that are shaking NZ to the core?

Penny Bright
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September 1, 2014 9:50am
Redbaiter

“What has Colin Craig and HIS CONservative Party ever done for the public or the public interest”

He’s worked hard, looked after his family and paid taxes so loser left wing commies like you can continue to subvert our economy and our social structure.

He’s basically a good man and he deserves far better than to be smeared by hopelessly deranged left wing takers of your ilk, especially when you would be far worse off it it wasn’t for the efforts of hard working family orientated people like Craig.

Your attempted smears are cowardly and contemptible.
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September 1, 2014 9:51am
stephieboy

To those who fell inclined URGENT PRAYER REQUESTS for the seriously threatened Christian community of Queragosh (Qaraqosh) Iraq. The city fell to the mad ISIS with terrible and barbaric consequences for the Christians there .

IF YOU NOT SO INCLINED THOUGHTS AND A SUGGESTED LETTER TO YOUR MP FROM BOTH

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=16adacb3-7f2c-4e13-9050-7f41c5cc359f&c=6ae
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September 1, 2014 9:51am
publicwatchdog

So ‘Colville’ can you give us all a direct link to the stated position of Colin Craig’s CONservative Party on whether or not HE supports a Capital Gains Tax?

Yes or no?

‘Put up or shut up’?

(As it were – meant of course in a caring way:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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September 1, 2014 9:55am
Southern Raider

Gareth Morgan has moved from cats onto New World

Apparently New World thought their little shop promotion is brainwashing our children and turning them into consumer zombies

FFS this guy is a tree hugging retard. My daughter loves playing shop keeper, pushing her trolley around the house and pretending to scan the items.

Let kids have fucken fun and stop trying to put them in a box to “protect” them
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September 1, 2014 9:56am
Sofia

Penny, your shattering revelation that the SIS reports to the Office of the Prime Minister to the LEADER OF THE NATIONAL PARTY rather than the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC), LEADER OF THE NZ GOVERNMENT, is meaningless since John Key seems to be both LEADER OF THE NATIONAL PARTY as well as LEADER OF THE NZ GOVERNMENT.

Meanwhile it appears six years of possibly corrupt dirty politics, “shaking New Zealand to the core”, have passed beyond the view of the fiercely independent, anti-corruption Public Watchdog and your only dubious claim to fame is on the coat-tails of McCready in the on-going case of John Banks.

Now –
1] Thank me for really making your day – it appears I did read your comment
2] Claim how effective you are because –
you have so obviously jammed my personal attack buttons on FULL – you must be doing something right
you must be on target to be flacked in this way
3] tell me Real People would put their names to their posts – so I am a gutless coward
meant of course in a caring, interested way 🙂
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September 1, 2014 10:04am
Tom Jackson

So….. Dann (and his producers), Gower, Campbell (whose show does not rate 50% of Whale’s daily visits)Armstrong (and the Herald mob), Small, Watkins, and the Red Radio branch of the Labour/red melon party, had better take note. I suspect that they will find themselves summoned to appear before a Commission of Inquiry …. where any privilege will be tested to the accompaniment of snide counsel observations. And then there will be Mr Hager. His hagerisms will count for nothing, since he has already burnt his “source” bridge. And, unless I am woefully out of touch, there is no “fifth” in NZ. Could not happen to a better bunch of left wing prostitutes , claiming to be “reporters”.

Someone forgot to take his meds this morning.
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September 1, 2014 10:05am
waikatogirl

Just heard there is a call for a review of Justice Ministers serious case decisions including Bain being turned down for compensation. Should any review at least wait till after the result of the Inquiry?!
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September 1, 2014 10:07am
Viking2

Oh Dear, Considering the rumours around.

Mai Chen: New powers to compel will drive Judith Collins inquiry

Mai Chen: New powers to compel will drive Judith Collins inquiry
5:00 AM Monday Sep 1, 2014 1 comment

When Judith Collins resigned on Saturday, she asked the Prime Minister to hold an inquiry so she could clear her name.

The new Inquiries Act 2013 means that such an inquiry will essentially have the same powers as a Royal Commission of inquiry, whether it is called one or not.

The new act means we cannot have a repeat of the problems Dr Noel Ingram, QC, had in investigating allegations of corruption and bribery by Taito Phillip Field under a non-statutory ministerial inquiry.

The lack of statutory powers to compel meant that a number of witnesses had declined to be interviewed.

Under the new Inquiries Act, which has only been used once before for the inquiry into Fonterra’s whey protein concentrate contamination incident, all inquiries are now public inquiries (including Royal Commissions) or government inquiries and all inquiries have the same compulsion powers.

These powers include compelling people to be witnesses, forcing people to give evidence under oath, and being able to order the presentation of documents.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11317046
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September 1, 2014 10:10am
stephieboy

Just to clarify the urgent message on behalf of the Christian community originated from this face book page ,

https://www.facebook.com/RickJoyner.MorningStar/posts/848341485198670

Also the Iraqi Christian Community faces extinction at the hands of ISIS barbarians.

http://www.3news.co.nz/world/iraqi-christians-under-threat-2014061817

Of course not to speak ( and let us not forget ) of the ancient community of the Yazidis .

PUT ASIDE POLITICAL BICKERING FOR ONE MOMENT .

HONOUR AND REMEMBER THEM ALL IN EITHER YOUR PRAYERS ( OF WHATEVER YOUR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION ) OR THOUGHTS.
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September 1, 2014 10:17am
oldpark

David Lange called the NZ so called” media ” reef fish.Going from pillar to post making up and manufacturing stories ,even if most of them were fiction.Seems that,that is what is happening now,being leffto sycophants they are continuing to jump at shadows to justify their very own existence,even though the public see them as lower than a snakes belly.as it moves along.Time they went and got a real job,and did something for the well being of NZ,instead of destroying the country’s good name and economy by endeavouring to install an economy wrecking de facto government, of radical people in the mold of the ISIS Terrorists.
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September 1, 2014 10:18am
publicwatchdog

Really ‘Redbaiter’?

I’ve been self-funding my full-time work as an anti-privatisation / anti- corruption Public Watchdog for the last 15 years.

No one is making me do what I do – I CHOOSE to do what I do.

How is asking HARD questions of Colin Craig and his CONservative Party – ‘smearing’ him or HIS party?

Why do I highlight CON in CONservative?

Because back in 2010 I was a fellow Auckland Mayoral candidate with Colin Craig .

I asked Colin Craig if he agreed with 35 year private water contracts.

Colin Craig said, directly to my face – no – he didn’t agree with 35 year private water contracts, but 5 year private water contracts would be ok.

So – Colin Craig – back in 2010 supported water privatisation.

But now his CONservative Party claims to be opposed to asset sales – which suggests that Colin Craig / his CONservative Party are opposed to privatisation?

Of course people are allowed to change their minds on issues – but a lot of people seem to have the impression that Colin Craig is very honest.

In my considered opinion, given what I know about Colin Craig’s position of support for water privatisation back in 2010, he is not being honest with the voting public.

Polling people to find out their views – then regurgitating back what they want to hear – does not and cannot equal proven track record.

I have nothing personal against Colin Craig – back in 2010 I found him to be friendly and personable – but facts are facts and truth is truth.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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September 1, 2014 10:18am
ciaron

‘Put up or shut up’?

Like your rates?
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September 1, 2014 10:18am
Griff

mandk
Nope going all the way back to 1870 even further using proxies.
source data
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008
graphic
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seaice-1870-2007.png

Love it 😆 ……any thing to deny the reality of agw…… you guys should start a church….. Church of the Luddite wingnuts.
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September 1, 2014 10:21am
MH

there was once a mini stirrer called Collins
whose dinner in China got burnt by dragons
but later it was Slater who slayed her
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September 1, 2014 10:22am
Yoza

Someone forgot to take his meds this morning

Why can’t one of his nurses teach him how to use the blockquote tags?
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September 1, 2014 10:33am
Colville

penny really dim @ 9.55

There have been 5 reports I know of on a potential capital gains tax in New Zealand. Four said “no” and one said “yes” but only if comprehensive (i.e. no loopholes).

Labour last proposal had so many exceptions it simply could not be supported. If they revert to a proposal that is comprehensive they will have a stronger case.

We do need to acknowledge that there are loopholes in our tax system that need to be closed. However it is possible to close most loopholes without bringing in new taxes.

thanks

Colin.

Pleased to be of help.

Now would you please shut the fuck up? meant in the kindest most caring way possible 🙂

Edit. To my pretty dense brain (I was a welder after all) the above seems to state Colin is agaisnt loop holes and for more tax on property developers, and certianly for a CGT if and only if it is loop hole free. Quite unlike Labours version of a sham CGT.
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September 1, 2014 10:35am
Tom Jackson

“I won’t stoop to their levels, nor will I stop what I do, because to do so would be to cave in to terrorists, people with no moral compass, terrorists who think nothing of breaking the law to get what they want as they attempt to hijack an election.

Translation: “WEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGHHHHHHHHHH!”
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September 1, 2014 10:37am
mandk

Griff: “Nope going all the way back to 1870 even further using proxies.”

Not what the article you quoted showed.
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September 1, 2014 10:42am
Tom Jackson

There once was a PM named John
who subjected us all to a con
But now we’re awake
and for democracy’s sake
We better make sure that he’s gone
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September 1, 2014 10:46am
stephieboy

waikatogirl, good one. ! Unquestionably one of the highlights of Judith Collins tenure as MOJ was the rejection of the Binnie report so seriously flawed , full of egregious errors in terms of assumption and fact, as well as Ian Binnie going well beyond his terms of reference.

There are however those out there who will want to turn the report into a political foot ball and exploit the current unfavorable climate the government and Judith Collins is facing .
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September 1, 2014 10:46am
Tom Jackson

The odious blogger called Whale
is now getting terribly stale
we all know he’s a bent
worthless arsehole for rent
And the police are now on his tail
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September 1, 2014 10:49am
IGM

Public Dog: Your comments are, like you, rubbish.
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September 1, 2014 10:49am
Rufus

Cam Slater and “gravitas” do not belong in the same sentence.

The term “gravitas” does not evoke images of pigs rolling in shit, which is what Whale claims he enjoys and is really good at.

Cam like to think he’s the hunter, but he’s become the hunted. Pigeons and statues etc.
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September 1, 2014 10:49am
RightNow

Inthisdress (64 comments) says:
September 1st, 2014 at 8:54 am

Have Collins, Slater, and Cactus lost the election for National?

It’s unlikely (iPredict still has National PM at 70% probability), although it is looking increasingly likely that National will need NZ First to form a government. So what policy concessions are likely to get Winston at the table? Probably clamping down on immigration and foreign investment, possibly something for the racing industry.
Would be interesting if Winston become Minister of Foreign Affairs again. I understand there’s still moles in MFAT from when Helen had to give Winston baubles.
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September 1, 2014 10:49am
RRM

Why does the Dominion Post have an opinion piece about how the Key Govt is “deeply mired” by Dirty Politics and basically unelectable, as their front page “news” headline?
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September 1, 2014 10:53am
Gulag1917

Why peace is difficult to achieve
Muslim academic draws hate fire
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24860539/muslim-academic-draws-hate-fire/
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September 1, 2014 10:54am
Lindsay Addie

Rightnow 10:49am,

I agree with your comments, National aren’t toast currently but surely will loss some support in the next round of polls.

Re Peters, this will probably be his last term in Parliament. So if he ends up in a coalition National he may be thinking what his legacy will be and could be more likely to behave himself. Finding a suitable role for him as a minister will be an interesting challenge for Key.
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September 1, 2014 10:54am
Tom Jackson

A blogging ex-fatty called Dave
had secretly been quite a knave
Things have gone quite amiss
he seeks a new arse to kiss
For its his own skin he must save
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September 1, 2014 10:54am
Tom Jackson

Why does the Dominion Post have an opinion piece about how the Key Govt is “deeply mired” by Dirty Politics and basically unelectable, as their front page “news” headline?

Going to take a totally wild guess from out of left field here and suggest that it’s because the Key Govt is “deeply mired” by Dirty Politics and basically unelectable.
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September 1, 2014 10:56am
Tom Jackson

A lawyer named Catherine Odgers
Whom no man would admit that he rogers
Has been such a jerk
that she’s now out of work
and no longer assisting tax dodgers
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September 1, 2014 10:58am
RRM

What’s really funny is they’ve got the photos of 5 young people they stopped in the street and interviewed, ALL said “Nah I don’t believe much of what Hager says, I’m still voting National” 😛
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September 1, 2014 11:00am
hj

Migrants key to regional growth

Migrants are the key to growth of the Hutt Valley and Wellington region and more needs to be done to attract them, says leading New Zealand immigration consultant June Ranson.

“We must get out and show the world that New Zealand is an attractive option for people with the right skills, including entrepreneurs with great ideas,” says June Ranson, who is Managing Director of Lower Hutt company Woburn International.

New Zealand is a country where small businesses are the life blood of our economy whereby our NZ Immigration policies need to focus more on this aspect. Little thought appears to have been given to the fact that approximately 69% of small to medium sized business owners over the next 10 years will be looking for buyers to take over their businesses as the New Zealand population ages.

“Migrants provide new skills to encourage business expansion into new products and markets.

“We are competing with Australia and Canada for these skills and need to be very active in encouraging them to come to New Zealand, this includes enticing New Zealand expats home.

“The New Zealand Institute of Economic Research has also found that adding 40,000 migrants a year to New Zealand’s population for 10 years would grow our GDP per capita by $410 a year.

http://www.woburn.co.nz/migrants-key-to-regional-growth/#sthash.9ILi7Rfx.dpuf
Managing Director, June Ranson, with NZ Prime Minister John Key http://www.woburn.co.nz/managing-director-june-ranson-with-nz-prime-minister-john-key/#sthash.B25GfgIS.dpuf
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September 1, 2014 11:00am
Tom Jackson

A feisty young blogger named Kate
A purveyor of bile and hate
Is now in a jam
She got too close to Cam
and is now going to share in his fate.
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September 1, 2014 11:02am
Nukuleka

Tom Jackson

You’d be better off posting your ditties over on the Stuff or Herald sites where you might have greater influence. All you are doing by lingering and spending your day(s) here is ensuring that more and more people become determined to vote National in order to ensure that loonies of the left don’t steal the government benches come September 20. Your presence is counterproductive.

Like Cunliffe, you are the gift that keeps in giving.
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September 1, 2014 11:04am
stephieboy

Gulag, I do have a certain sympathy for Anne Aly. It’s wrong to tar all Muslims with the same brush and I say that notwithstanding my earlier posts about the Christian and Yazidi communities in Iraq .

Bur someone in her position could do a lot more in condemning the barbaric actions of ISIS and help mobilize international Islamic against their heinous and evil actions.
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September 1, 2014 11:05am
Tom Jackson

You’d be better off posting your ditties over on the Stuff or Herald sites where you might have greater influence. All you are doing by lingering and spending your day(s) here is ensuring that more and more people become determined to vote National in order to ensure that loonies of the left don’t steal the government benches come September 20. Your presence is counterproductive.

Yeah, nah.
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September 1, 2014 11:05am
Tom Jackson

Labour Leader David Cunliffe
Comes across as a bit of a stiff
he had no chance to win
now it looks like he’s in
His opponent just drove off a cliff
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September 1, 2014 11:08am
Padriv Ustoev

There was once a Labour party,
That helped those that worked very hearty.
But in later days, it was hijacked by gays
And those who give grants to the arty.
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September 1, 2014 11:14am
Pete George

Sounds like awful news from Ashburton with possibly two possibly dead after WINZ office shooting.
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September 1, 2014 11:14am
Lindsay Addie

Tom Jackson, nice poetry but can you compose haiku? 😉
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September 1, 2014 11:14am
Padriv Ustoev

Shooting at WINZ – give me my entitlements you white M*#$%#*&!!
Tragic, but I’d love to hear the story behind this one.
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September 1, 2014 11:20am
Tom Jackson

Tom Jackson, nice poetry but can you compose haiku?

Never tried. I’ll have to look it up.
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September 1, 2014 11:20am
Tom Jackson

Good one Padriv. I laughed. “latter days” would be more Shakespearian, don’t you think?
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September 1, 2014 11:21am
Tom Jackson

Shooting at WINZ – give me my entitlements you white M*#$%#*&!!

Wasn’t it in Ashburton? AFAIK that’s a Maori free zone, like much of the South Island.
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September 1, 2014 11:23am
Pete George

Police have just confirmed there’s been a shooting incident at a Work and Income office at Ashburton, in Canterbury.

They are not commenting at this stage on how many people have been shot but RadioLIVE has been told it was a multiple shooting.

A statement from police warns Ashburton residents to take precautions and stay indoors.

They say a man with a firearm left the WINZ office on a bike.

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Police-confirm-multiple-shooting-at-Ashburton-WINZ-office/tabid/615/articleID/53672/Default.aspx

And…

A witness told 3 News a police helicopter is circling the Ashburton riverbed and several ambulances are en route to the scene.

A staffer at a nearby medical centre, Greg Baker, reported seeing a man in a balaclava riding a mountain bike along Moore St at around 10am.

The Armed Offenders Squad (AOS) are currently flying to the Cass St scene in a helicopter.

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/shots-fired-at-ashburton-winz-office-2014090110

Offender still at large, people warned to stay indoors.

It’s being confirmed two people were shot but their condition officially ‘unknown’ at this stage.
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September 1, 2014 11:24am
Padriv Ustoev

Tom Jackson – true. I may have jumped the gun with my racist comments, a white male P head in late 20s. The escape on the pushbike gave that one away.
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September 1, 2014 11:25am
Gulag1917

Palestinian Parody about ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nigZzgf4Y
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September 1, 2014 11:26am
Jack5

Here’s your chance to buy a stake in any coming Greens-Labour-Dotcunt coalition:

APN, publisher of the Hooerald, is planning to float on the NZ stock exchange.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=3
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