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September 13, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Sublime

IGM: What the hell are we doing allowing this Greenwald shit into the country?

Giving him enough rope to hang himself, metaphorically-speaking of course 😀

Key’s going to debunk his [Greenwald’s] BS theory about the GCSB supposedly spying on everyone. Note his use of the “mass surveillance” term – Orwellian language used to catch the attention of the gullible hoi polloi. Sadly, it’ll work.

He’s only going to help turn more of the public away from Dotcom and co; more foreign influence at election time, more unintelligible garbage by way of wayward claims and hyperbole, more public angst against the hijacking of our democracy. Just watch.
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September 13, 2014 6:42pm
waikatogirl

GravelRoad
I like McVicar, but even he wouldn’t want to split the vote and let Laboor win. Napier, if you voting for McVicar, give National you party vote to get both into parliament 🙂
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September 13, 2014 6:48pm
mcardnas

Johnboy (15,803 comments) says:
September 13th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
The most amazing thing about evolution mcardnas is how some species have such a short span of time to pass their genes on for the future. I suspect you are no exception!

you know what assumptions make you; don’t you .
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September 13, 2014 6:59pm
Johnboy

An Oracle? 🙂
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September 13, 2014 7:01pm
Pete George

“A quick check of overseas news agencies show that the rest of the world don’t even know of the game, nor do they care.”

Plenty of international coverage of tonight’s test here.
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September 13, 2014 7:03pm
Gravelroad

Maybe Waikatogirl, but the reality is that he will split the vote and probably gift Labour a win in an electorate that could have gone National’s way.
That is the curse and legacy of single-issue candidates and parties.
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September 13, 2014 7:10pm
publicwatchdog

Gosh – that’s a hard one.

Who to believe on the claim that the GCSB has been spying on New Zealanders?

A Pulitzer award winning investigative journalist or an ex-Wall Street banker who is still a shareholder in the Bank of America?

Methinks Prime Minister John Key protesteth too much…..

Penny Bright
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September 13, 2014 7:16pm
Gravelroad

Oh dear, cultural cringe time is it?
A “high powered” American journalist must know much more about what’s going on in little ole NZ than the dopes actually living here.
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September 13, 2014 7:22pm
stephieboy

Am curious to know if Glenn Greenwald will be willing and able to enter the Tiger’s den and tackle Putin, The FSB and the Kremlin after taking on John Key and the CCSB.?
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September 13, 2014 7:33pm
Johnboy

I just shit myself then thinking about how much effort the GCSB/NSA/FBI/ECHELON/SIS/SMERSH/UNCLE/KAOS etc has been putting in spying on dangerous subversives like Penny only to find out she can’t afford to pay for her water! 🙂
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September 13, 2014 7:34pm
publicwatchdog

According to today’s Herald, Pulitzer Award winning investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald is claiming (on the basis of having researched Snowden leaked documents) that New Zealand’s GCSB has been involved in mass surveillance of New Zealanders.

NZ Prime Minister John Key claims Glenn Greenwald has got his story wrong.

But – “Mr Key said he did not know if the GCSB had received mass surveillance metadata on New Zealanders from its Five Eyes partners , but he did not believe it had.”

Small technical point – isn’t the Prime Minister supposed to be the Minister in charge of the GCSB?

Good grief.

DESPERATE stuff…..

File under ‘You Could t Make This Sh*t Up’.

Penny Bright
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September 13, 2014 7:46pm
mcardnas

Johnboy (15,812 comments) says:
September 13th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
An Oracle? 🙂

only out the arse end of your body 😀
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September 13, 2014 7:50pm
Don the Kiwi

File under ‘You Could t Make This Sh*t Up’.

Possibly not Penny.

But you’re doing a pretty good job trying.

(Gives self a slap in the head – why respond to the Dim Watch (female Dog) Bitch)
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September 13, 2014 7:55pm
publicwatchdog

So – where are all the Libertarians who were so concerned about ‘Nanny State’?

So you’re all good with BIG BROTHER State on STEROIDS?

Are you?

Our lawful right to privacy means nothing does it?

Mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is ok – is it?

Or is consistency just not your ‘strong suit’?

Some of you lot are simply unbelievable ….

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September 13, 2014 8:06pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9g9y8gq1a8q9gb9/Cuckoo%2026.jpg?dl=0
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September 13, 2014 8:07pm
Nookin

Don
I suspect that if Key had said that he reviews all metadata gathered by the GCSB Penny would be demanding his scalp for politicising the GCSB. It does not matter what he does, Penny will condemn him.

We already know that her ladyship makes shit up. She persistently insists that Banks was convicted of electoral fraud when 1.He was not charged with electoral fraud; 2. there is no such offence in the relevant Act and 3. the judge expressly stated that what Banks did was not electoral fraud. Penny thinks that the judge was dancing on a pinhead, making stuff up and is not much of a lawyer.

It is a pity that we have people standing for office who are driven by bitterness and hate and are not prepared to be balanced and objective.
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September 13, 2014 8:12pm
publicwatchdog

Is that the best you can do Nookin?

Seriously?

I don’t actually HATE anyone.

However – not keen on bullsh*t or hypocrisy of which there is rather a lot from some folks on Kiwiblog?

Keep going ……..

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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September 13, 2014 8:32pm
dad4justice

COME ON ALL Blacks .
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September 13, 2014 8:40pm
praxmeyer1967

I currently live overseas and have been following the current election with a certain degree of interest. Maybe its the separation but I have probably taken more interest this time than 3 years ago. In any event all I can say is this election seems to be focused on things that are of no relevance and the important issues around actually running a successful and prosperous economy are being lost in the “noise”. Firstly Nicky Hagers book is a joke. It is based on stolen information. Hager wrote the book relying on selected emails provided by someone who hacked them and who obviously has a vested interest in the result of the election. He also did not seek comment from any of the people that accusations were made against. Its ridiculous that none of the main stream media have raised these issues. They seem to just accept what he has said is gospel. Secondly the opposition parties are on a spending spree. They will bankrupt the country. They cannot put in place all their promises and if they do then NZ will become a third world country. The final point is that KDC and all the conspiracy theorists are on some band wagon and attempting to influence the result of the election. Obviously he has a vested interest. Change the government and stay in NZ or face the inevitable result of his business that will involve a long spell in jail in the US. I personally will not come back to NZ with Labour and various other hangers on get into power. The country I knew and loved will not be the same and it will be converted into a nanny state with a climate of envy. I am sure that I will not be alone in this sentiment and a number of other people in my position will either leave or stay away. My biggest gripe is there is no critical analysis of what politicians say. My one wish would be for the media to simply ask where is the evidence. It just does not happen.
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September 13, 2014 8:47pm
dad4justice

Thank you Richie McCaw .
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September 13, 2014 8:51pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Easy win.
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September 13, 2014 9:28pm
dad4justice

Indeed Nostalgia a NZ win is a win.
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September 13, 2014 9:37pm
Rowan

Not a very convincing performance from either side!
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September 13, 2014 9:48pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Great effort to take their lineout ball with a new locking combination. Tough as performance. McCaw had some Michael Jones moments tonight – excellent performance from him and the team all round.
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September 13, 2014 9:57pm
Gulag1917

The GCSB etc in NZ are pussycats compared with overseas.
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September 13, 2014 10:11pm
Reid

According to today’s Herald, Pulitzer Award winning investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald is claiming (on the basis of having researched Snowden leaked documents) that New Zealand’s GCSB has been involved in mass surveillance of New Zealanders.

Well duh, Penny. Haven’t you read the Five Eyes agreement? It’s quite simple. Each country has an area of operation – ours happens to be Western Pacific. No partner country surveils its own people under Five Eyes but who knows what the NSA and UK GCSB does under other agreements, but under Five Eyes each partner surveils at least one of the other countries, and there is sharing of threat information on an as-needed basis.

So if this is what Pulitzer-prize winner Greenwald is about to “reveal” then I predict the only ones who’ll be excited about it are people like who who’ll probably come to conclusions before he even opens his mouth because you want to find something, and people like the NZ MSM who are so useless that instead of finding actual new “news” they constantly feel a need, apparently, to rehash old stuff and de rigeur material simply to sell their latest edition, on the false belief that NZ’ers are so profoundly moronic that none of them will know that what they’re feeding us isn’t new at all, but merely the way its been for the last five or so decades.
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September 13, 2014 10:32pm
cha

Ye-haw!.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2754223/It-like-Jerry-Springer-Eyewitnesses-reveal-Palin-pack-started-bloody-brawl-Willow-s-ex-Sarah-crawled-people-fight.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDy8HEg1QY
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