General Debate 12 September 2014

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cas

So much for voting early. We can’t get to vote where I live until next week.
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September 12, 2014 11:45am
SGA

cricko at 11:30 am

The head of the ‘islamic studies’ department at Auckland University, Dr Ali, has called for a sharia banking system
to be established in New Zealand for muslims.

Didn’t know anything about Islamic banking systems – just had a very quick look, but from what I’ve seen…
Genuine question – if banks operating on such a system, available to anybody, were established, why would such an alternative be a bad thing?
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September 12, 2014 11:53am
cricko

In his speech to the nation yesterday President Barry Obama declared that the ISIS (or ISIL as he calls them) crew in
Syria and Iraq are not islamic.

They say they are. Who is right ?

Silly Barry, pissing into the wind again. (this is what a failed president looks like)
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September 12, 2014 11:58am
Fletch

President Bush’s former press secretary Ari Fleischer has been tweeting his blow-by-blow experiences of what happened 13 years ago this day on 9/11.

http://mashable.com/2014/09/11/bush-press-secretary-ari-fleischer-tweeting-911/
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September 12, 2014 12:01pm
Mark

Genuine question. would Epsom voters be better to vote for Christine Rankin and cut ACT loose. 3.5% of the vote v 0.4% of the vote or in terms of seats 4 or 5 v 1

Act looks highly unlikely to get more than 1 candidate in. The conservatives are managing to get some traction towards the 5% and I cannot see them causing too many issues for Key if they got in albeit that their policies are a bit nuts and I am no fan of Colin Craig. Then again I am not warming to Jamie Whyte either.
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September 12, 2014 12:01pm
J Bloggs

Judith: Regarding the UK’s nuclear arsenal, it’s all stored on submarines that happen to use the naval base at Faslane for their dock. In the event of a YES vote, all they have to do is slip thier moorings and sail to one of the english naval bases (e.g. Portsmouth), and England has control of its arsenal again.

It will still be Great Britian, as that is the geographical term used to describe the british archipelago, the name of the political nation that currently occupies that is the United Kingdom (technically, the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland).

In the event of a YES vote, perhaps we’ll have to start calling it the Dis-united Kingdom…
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September 12, 2014 12:04pm
Fletch

In his speech to the nation yesterday President Barry Obama declared that the ISIS (or ISIL as he calls them) crew in
Syria and Iraq are not islamic.

I get the feeling that Obama would still be defending Islam even if he were up against the wall with a gun at his throat about to be shot my a Muslim: “But, you can’t shoot me! Islam is a religion of peace! You don’t really mean it.”

At this point, I do not think anything can lift his blinders.
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September 12, 2014 12:16pm
Viking2

National getting into bed with Greens… Bloody hell….

Well sorry guys but that stinking green-blue from Nelson has been there for years.
Wake up.
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September 12, 2014 12:24pm
stephieboy

Fletch, I must say your good at the Fox News style crude propaganda line.

You learn much now don’t you.?
Also re airstrikes .???
But that hasn’t stopped Britain and Germany sending modern weapon systems to the Kurds.

BTW GWB refused to send military aid to them.?

Why.?
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September 12, 2014 12:34pm
gump

@Redbaiter

The thought of you describing another person as “pompous” is hilariously entertaining.

Have you ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle?
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September 12, 2014 12:35pm
dime

lol @ the herald.

they have an article about mcdonalds moving to tablets for ordering.

apparently cause of declining sales (share price near an all time high. sales in US down about 3% last quarter from memory).

no mention of… the minimum wage!

i admit im a prick but i cant wait til the left finally get their way and we start hearing “mcdonalds lay off 1400 workers across all stores” etc etc as computers replace expensive, no skill workers.
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September 12, 2014 12:57pm
mandk

@ J Bloggs
Isn’t the geographical term, the British Isles?
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September 12, 2014 12:57pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/keys-preferred-pm-rating-slumps-latest-herald-digipoll-ck-162284#comment-668131

Key’s preferred PM rating slumps in latest Herald Digipoll

NZ First surges above 8%. PLUS: Poll frenzy continues with latest OneNews-Colmar Brunton survey, which has National slipping. UPDATED

__________________________________________________________

My comment – yet to be published:
__________________________________________________________

Good.

At last the public are starting to realise the TRUTH about Bank of America shareholder John Key and whose interests he’s really serving?

Hint – follow the dollar …….

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20141/2e04287ad20ee5da12a308149e59bb16d7f47ce5 (Pg 30)

Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

2 Other companies and business entities

Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado
Bank of America – banking

Penny Bright
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September 12, 2014 12:57pm
Don the Kiwi

Piss off, Penny the Pubic Watch Bitch.

Pay your rates and stop stealing water. You bludger

[DPF: 30 demerits]
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September 12, 2014 1:00pm
cricko

SGA @ 11.53
asks why establishing a sharia banking system in NZ would be a bad thing ?

Because that would be a major change to our established system done solely to appease the demands of muslim
immigrants. (we need immigrants who, while keeping their own traditions, adapt to the Kiwi way, not ones who
arrive here and begin to agitate for us to change our culture to adapt to their particular relgious beliefs.)

And, that would be the thin end of a wedge that leads to demands that sharia law be established and a seperate culture within a culture be created here just for muslims.

Putting it simply SGA we need muslim immigrants like we need a hole in our head.
Can you think of any reason that they will benefit our country ?

We already have 2nd generation muslims with NZ passports going to Yemen to attend terrorist traing camps. (John Key has confirmed that fact)

Look around SGA and see if you can find one western country where muslim immigration has proved to be a success.

Bleading heart types insist that our experience with muslim immigrants will be different than all other western countries
because we ‘celebrate and embrace them’ more than any other country. This is just PC bullshit.

We need immigrants who will help build this country and embrace our values not muslims who arrive here and demand that we change to suit theirs.
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September 12, 2014 1:08pm
J Bloggs

mandk: Oops. You’re right. Great Britian is the name of the largest island in the archipelego.

Note to self – check thoroughly before posting
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September 12, 2014 1:10pm
stephieboy

cricko,

“Putting it simply SGA we need muslim immigrants like we need a hole in our head.
Can you think of any reason that they will benefit our country ?”

Your assuming like kowtow,Fletch , Harriet, manolo that all Muslims are terrorists and support e.g the Islamic State .?

Correct.?

How many 2nd generation NZ born are actually attending Yemen Terrorists camps exactly.??
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September 12, 2014 1:21pm
kowtow

Here ya go,sharia loans will get you more Doctors like this……..integration yeah right.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-muslima-a-doctor-happily-poses-with-severed-head-dream-job
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September 12, 2014 1:29pm
stephieboy

Fletch,

“In his speech to the nation yesterday President Barry Obama declared that the ISIS (or ISIL as he calls them) crew in
Syria and Iraq are not islamic.”

Could you source that may also help additionally give us some background and context .???

There you go kowtow with your naked prejudice and typically tarring all Muslims with the same brush.
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September 12, 2014 1:30pm
SGA

cricko at 1:08 pm

SGA @ 11.53
asks why establishing a sharia banking system in NZ would be a bad thing?
…
Putting it simply SGA we need muslim immigrants like we need a hole in our head.
…

Actually, I was asking whether there was anything about islamic banking systems, in and of themselves, that would cause problems? As I said, I don’t know a lot about them, hence the question (which I thought was reasonably clear at the time).
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September 12, 2014 1:30pm
cha

In his speech to the nation yesterday President Barry Obama declared that the ISIS (or ISIL as he calls them) crew in Syria and Iraq are not islamic.

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A Washington meme?.

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The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/bushaddress_092001.html
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September 12, 2014 1:39pm
stephieboy

cha,

Thank you for that . Fletch has no credibility at all.!

Pretty shameless stuff actually.
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September 12, 2014 1:43pm
cricko

stephieboy @ 1.30
“Could you source that ?”
Watch his speech to the nation yesterday, that is exactly what he said with no room for wiggle.
You’ll find the speech with google stephie, I can’t be bothered linking to it for you. You will find all the
‘background and context .??? ‘ there that you could ever need.

SGA @ 1.30
You need to read your effort @ 11.53 again mate.
Now you add in the, “in and of themselves” bit.
I am not a mind reader therefore it may have been ‘reasonably clear at the time’ to you but you
would be in a minority of one.
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September 12, 2014 1:52pm
SGA

cricko at 1:52 pm

As I am not a mind reader therefore it may have been ‘reasonably clear at the time’ to you but you
would be in a minority of one.

As you like 🙂
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September 12, 2014 1:57pm
mandk

@ Judith,

How about creating the Emirate of Islay? The 8 distilleries generate an awful lot of GDP for 3,200 people.
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September 12, 2014 1:57pm
Paulus

Remember which of the current parties created the referendum for the creation of MMP.
– Yes the Green Taliban.
Look at the original referendum and the numbers who voted in it – a minority actually created the insidious MMP.
Like Cancer it carries in creeping and has no real time limit until you realise your are seriously infected.
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September 12, 2014 2:03pm
cricko

cha @ 1.39

Why do you think that Obama cannot bring himself to ever use the terms, radical islam or islamic terrorists ?

Point is cha, whatever Barry may say or not say does not alter the fact that ISIS are islamic and terrorists.
Why, in your mind, do you think that they have declared they have established an islamic califate if they are not muslims ?
Hint for you cha, ISIS believe they are the ‘true’ muslims believers.
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September 12, 2014 2:05pm
stephieboy

cricko,

I refer you to cha’s post at 1.39pm for the full speech and its context and not Fletch’s or your crude rendition.!

There is actually full room to wriggle on it if you are willing to remove your blinkers.!
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September 12, 2014 2:08pm
Fletch

cha, that doesn’t change anything. (by the way, I was quoting and adding to what ‘cricko’ said @11.58).

If ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas (or any other Muslim extremists) really have nothing to do with Islam, then why don’t so-called moderate Muslims denounce them and their acts? Instead, after 9/11 the TV showed Muslims in different countries dancing in the streets and handing out sweets to one another in celebrations of Americans killed.

Yes, there are Muslims who haven’t been radicalised yet but (according to some) they are not really following the Koran.

John Kerry also said this the other day in a speech –

ISIL claims to be fighting on behalf of Islam but the fact is that it’s hateful ideology has nothing do with Islam.

See, I don’t believe it. He is acting as an apologist. It’s worth noting that any reference to Islam, Muslims, or Jihad has been scrubbed from all military training material and anything to do with terrorism. The Administration is bending over backwards so as not to be seen to be causing offence to Muslims. It’s like they can’t stand the thought of even mentioning it. Remember the shooting at Fort Hood in 2009 when a soldier started shouting Alahar Ackbar and shooting his fellow soldiers? Turned out he had been radicalized. Well, the Obama Administration to this day refers to it as “workplace violence”. They won’t call it a terror attack, or Jihad, or anything to do with Islam although it clearly was.

At this rate America is going to politically correct itself into the grave because of its great fear of offending.
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September 12, 2014 2:18pm
Fletch

Top 10 Koran verses for understanding ISIS –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY
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September 12, 2014 2:23pm
Ross12

Oh dear , there will lots of humble pie being eaten around the news rooms etc today. Cam Slater won his case and now legally recognised as a journalist ( and I presume DPF is as well). Also just as important I think it means blogs are recognised as news medium.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/breaking-journalist-whaleoil-beef-hooked-medium/
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September 12, 2014 2:24pm
stephieboy

Fletch, its totally inexcusable for you to post an item that originated in the WP and then quote mining it and distorting it out of all recognition.

Do all Muslims support ISIS Islamic State.?

Yes or No.?

I think John Kerry is trying to ensure that not ” all “Muslims are tarred wit the same brush that you and other bigots are zealously and shamelessly trying to do .

( Take the Kurds for example )

Could you provide a link for that video.?
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September 12, 2014 2:28pm
RightNow

How many different versions of the Quran are there? Is it possible that jihadists are simply interpreting it wrong?
Who are the authoritative scholars on the Quran and what do they say about chopping the heads off the unbelievers?

If the jihadists aren’t really Islamic perhaps John Kerry should have a meeting with them and let them know.
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September 12, 2014 2:28pm
Nookin

Ross12

I wonder how Mr Hager and Mr Fisher will react to that. They regard their sources as sacrosanct and their confidentiality almost inviolable and yet here they are peddling information stolen from a fellow journalist in order to feather their own pockets. What is the saying about honour amongst thieves?
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September 12, 2014 2:35pm
Fletch

Could you provide a link for that video.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E
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September 12, 2014 2:37pm
Don the Kiwi

Methinks stephieboy is a closet muslim – or perhaps a person so imbued with PC that anything said against muslims is offensive,racist, musliphobic, hypocritical, blasphemous, insensitive, abusive….

And fletch – you naughty boy – fancy being so inconsiderate to post verses of the Koran that are read straight from it.

Oh the shame – oh the humanity. 😆
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September 12, 2014 2:55pm
Scott Chris

Cam Slater won his case and now legally recognised as a journalist

Hard to understand that conclusion given his paid endorsement/discrediting business.
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September 12, 2014 2:56pm
cha

Hard to understand that conclusion given his paid endorsement/discrediting business.

Press council’s going to be busy.
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September 12, 2014 2:59pm
cricko

Thanks for those two video links Fletch.

Your post @ 2.23 will be most instructive for the likes of stephieboy, cha or SGA
They should watch it and pay particular attention to the korans concept of abrogation.

Will be waiting to see if either stephie or cha will make the effort to argue with any one of the verses quoted
and explained in your 2.23 Bet I wait a long, long time for that.

stephieboy @ 2.08 reveals just why trying to have a discussion with these types is like trying to herd cats.

Read the speech yourself stephie, don’t be so lazy, educate yourself then you could be saved the foolishness of
quoting cha interpretation which is perverse, incomplete and for some reason links to a speech by Dubbyuh Bush.
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September 12, 2014 3:05pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – gum away on this one! 🙂

12 September 2014

Cheryl Gwyn
Inspector-General
Intelligence and Security

‘OPEN LETTER’

Dear Inspector-General,

This is a formal request for you to please ensure that your current “in-depth and robust inquiry” into claims Security Intelligence Service (SIS) information was used for political purposes covers the underpinning role of the Office of the Prime Minister.
(if it does not already do so).

My full name is Penelope Mary Bright.

DISCLOSURE: I am currently standing as an Independent candidate in the Helensville electorate.

BACKGROUND:

In 1981 I was publicly named in Prime Minister Robert Muldoon’s famous SIS list as a ‘subversive’ arising from my role in organising opposition to the Springbok Tour.

I have never been able to get a copy of my SIS file, although I have not been a member of any politically active party for over 30 years, and have no history of violent offending.

I was also unable to get it confirmed or denied whether I was one of the 88 New Zealanders upon whom the GCSB unlawfully spied.

My ‘submission’ made directly to Prime Minister John Key on the GCSB Bill, is available here: (11 minutes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQgLJixhB4A

Since 2000 – I have chosen to work full time as a self-funded ‘anti-privatisation’ and latterly ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.

During that time, I have now attended four significant international anti-corruption conferences, met the experts, read the material, and put my mind to the New Zealand corruption ‘reality’.

2009 Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2010 Attendee Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2014 Attendee: G20 Anti-Corruption Conference

Here is the link to the ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and corporate welfare, which I have developed:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

This ‘ACTION PLAN’ is a far cry from New Zealand’s ‘perceived’ status as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (currently shared with Denmark, according to Transparency International’s 2013 ‘Corruption Perception Index’)

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

(This ‘perceived’ status being based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous businesspeople.)

having just turned 60 years of age, I have a wide range of life experience.
I have never attended University, but am a qualified Tradesperon with Advanced Trade in Sheetmetal Engineering, was NZ’s first Certified Board for Inspectorate Personnel (CBIP) ticketed woman Welding Inspector, and was for 9 years a Welding Tutor at Manukau Institute of Technology.

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/qualifications/

My work experience includes having been a Quality Assurance Co-ordinator at a stainless steel fabrication plant, which has given me a good grasp of ‘process’ and planning.

So – why I’m writing to you is to express my strongest concerns about the apparent total failure of quality assurance systems and processes at the highest levels of the New Zealand Government, in particular, the Office of the Prime Minister, which appears to be completely ‘out of control’.

According to the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC) website, the roles of the DPMC and Office of the Prime Minister, are supposed to be quite different and ‘totally separate’.

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/dpmc

Issues that arise across the full range of government business

DPMC provides a continuous flow of advice to the Prime Minister on major and daily issues, along with oversight of wider government activity and access to information and assessments. DPMC also works directly with Ministers on specific issues. The Deputy Prime Minister plays a lead role on behalf of the Prime Minister over a number of the government’s policy programmes and DPMC supports him on some of these matters from time to time.

DPMC works with central agencies to draw together departments in support of the Government’s priorities, to focus agencies on providing options for action, to ensure implementation of agreed programmes and policies, to drive for enhanced agency performance, and to deal effectively with issues which affect the nation. DPMC also provides the secretariat support for decision making by the Cabinet and its committees.

Administrative support to the Prime Minister
This includes preparation of replies to Parliamentary questions, and dealing with Official Information Act requests and other correspondence.

A totally separate body, the Office of the Prime Minister, also advises the Prime Minister: it is the primary point of responsibility for managing political issues and relationships with other political parties and for providing administrative and media support.

____________________________________________________________

In brief, as I understand it, the Prime Minister has two roles, one as the Leader of the New Zealand Government, and the other as the Leader of ‘party political’ National Party.

In his role as Leader of the New Zealand Government, the Prime Minister has the DPMC, to provide top level, impartial, apolitical advice on a range of matters, including those related to security.

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/

ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT
About the Department
The Role of DPMC
The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC) serves the Executive (the Governor-General, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet) through the provision of high quality impartial advice and support services…

________________________________________________________________________________________________

The Office of the Prime Minister, the role of which is apparently not covered by statute or regulation, is deeply ‘politically partisan / party political’, to help cover the Prime Minister as Leader of the National Party.

It is my considered opinion, that it is fundamentally wrong for the politically partisan ‘Office of the Prime Minister’ to have dealings with the SIS, at any time.

In my considered opinion, if the SIS is in direct contact with the ‘party political’ Office of the Prime Minister – then the role of the SIS has become ‘politicised’ – end of story.

In my opinion, for whatever reason, clear lines of demarcation between the roles of the DPMC and Office of the Prime Minister are effectively non-existent.

Not only is the role of the Office of the Prime Minister not subject to statute or regulation, it also lacks procedures and protocols, as is clearly stated in the attached OIA reply from Wayne Eagleson, Chief of Staff of the Office of the Prime Minister.

(Why anyone from the Office of the Prime Minister, including the Chief of Staff Wayne Eagleson is answering Official Information Act requests, is also a real matter of concern, as it is NOT his job, as i understand it.)

I am not sure whether your ‘terms of reference’ into the current inquiry which I understand you launched at your own initiative, extend to covering the role of the Office of the Prime Minister, but in my considered opinion, if they don’t – they should, because therein lies this apparently deep-seated problem.

Which is – in my considered opinion – that the Office of the Prime Minister is completely out of control.

If the role of the Office of the Prime Minister is not set by statute or regulation – then that needs to change – URGENTLY.

FYI, following is a ‘MEDIA ALERT’ which I sent out yesterday on this matter:
________________________________________________________

11 September 2014

MEDIA ALERT!

Is the politically partisan Office of the Prime Minister actually ‘out of control’?

YES according to this OIA reply, received today 11 September 2014, by Prime Minister John Key’s Chief of Staff, Wayne Eagleson: (attached)

3) Copies of the ‘procedure’ or ‘protocol(s)’ to be followed by all staff attached to or employed by the Office of the Prime Minister.

There are no specific procedures or protocols to be followed by Ministerial office staff.

4) A copy of the organisational ‘flow chart’ (or the like) which shows the clear reporting framework to be followed by all staff in your Office of the Prime Minister.

There is no organisational chart for this Office and, accordingly, this part of your request is formally declined under section 18(e) of the Official Information Act “that the document alleged to contain the information requested does not exist or cannot be found”.

5) A copy of the budget for your Office of the Prime Minister, with a clear breakdown of monies paid by whom, for what, on an annual basis from 2008 – 2014.

There is no separate budget for the Office of the Prime Minister.
The Department of Internal Affairs has a budget for all Ministerial offices as a whole, but not for individual offices.

However, I can confirm that all staff in this Office report to me as the Chief of Staff for both the Office of the Prime Minister and the Office of the Leader of the Parliamentary National Party.
__________________________________________________________

As some one who has never been able to get a copy of my SIS file, and could not get it ‘confirmed or denied’ that I was one of the 88 New Zealanders upon whom the GCSB unlawfully spied upon, I am REALLY concerned with the revelations contained within this OIA reply.

Is anybody else?

If not – why not?

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
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September 12, 2014 3:08pm
publicwatchdog

There you go Kiwibloggers!

You can read two chapters of Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ free on line 🙂

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/dirty-politics-publisher-makes-two-chapters-free-online

But how many of you will get over your ‘willful blindness’ and have the guts to read this for yourself?

Penny Bright
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September 12, 2014 3:23pm
Gulag1917

Political correctness gone insane

Source: Paul Eisen Blogspot Wednesday, 27 August 2014
This beautifully-written piece from The Occidental Observer was actually posted a year ago but circumstances have made it very relevant today. Some of you out there may not know about this, but the Brits certainly will. In a small town in the north of England it’s come to light that, over a period of about fifteen years, around 1400 children (in this case between 11 and 16 and mainly girls) have been systematically sexually abused. In many cases the abuse took the form of ‘grooming’ often involving drugs and alcohol and in some cases was accompanied by physical coercion and torture.

These goings-on were well known to local government officials and to police but nothing was done. In nearly all the instances, the victims were white and the abusers were Pakistani muslims.

This morning in the UK, the media is full of this story with the question being asked why nothing was done and the suggested answer being that, because of the ethnicities of the abusers and the abused, it was feared that to deal with the issues might offend racial and ethnic sensibilities. When the piece was first posted, I commented that it would be read as highly controversial in the UK (though possibly less so in the US). But whatever your feelings about the issues, the opinions in this excellent essay deserve to be heard – and never more so than today.
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September 12, 2014 3:30pm
RightNow

There YOU go Penny, you can now refer to Cameron Slater as a judicially recognised JOURNALIST who runs a NEWS MEDIUM.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/breaking-journalist-whaleoil-beef-hooked-medium/

P.S – Those free chapters of Hagar’s are overpriced.
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September 12, 2014 3:31pm
flash2846

OMG Penny – That so called book is a load of rubbish. I enjoy your posts and like the fact you stick to your guns (I even up-tick you sometimes) but in this instance you have clearly backed the wrong horse.
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September 12, 2014 3:35pm
stephieboy

cricko, this but one excerpt from the speech which I’ve read,

“The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam.”

Now an excerpt from the same said speech which the former President contradicts this and agrees with you and Fletch.!

As for your quotes from the Koran. Again some context would be most useful. ?As you would appreciate so very easy to do the same ithe the Bible re the Old testament on punishments for non believers and enemies of Yahweh .!
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September 12, 2014 3:36pm
Tauhei Notts

Ross12″s post at 8.34 today has a link to it.
If you haven’t read it, do so.
Then wonder what sort of country would have so many people lauding the Green Party. It is spooky.
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September 12, 2014 3:41pm
Ross12

Scott and cha

Surely you do not believe the practice of paying for content does not occur in other media outlets. Lobbyists have been doing it for years. I think they have a fancy name for the practice now — an advertorial dressed up as a news item.
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September 12, 2014 4:11pm
Gulag1917

“As some one who has never been able to get a copy of my SIS file, and could not get it ‘confirmed or denied’ that I was one of the 88 New Zealanders upon whom the GCSB unlawfully spied upon, I am REALLY concerned with the revelations contained within this OIA reply.”
Penny, maybe there is not a SIS file on you.
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September 12, 2014 4:21pm
RightNow

But maybe there is…
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September 12, 2014 4:22pm
stigie

Do you think there would be one on me ?……Just askin !~
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September 12, 2014 5:08pm
nasska

stigie

Before your request can be considered we need some background details. Have you:

1) Attended any forums on ACC accountability.

2) Refused to pay your rates.

3) Campaigned against JK but ignored corruption by the left.

4) Camped in any city squares.

5) Been dragged blubbing into a Police vehicle.

6) Cut & pasted 2000 word dissertations based on crap.

7) Forgotten to take your pills.
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September 12, 2014 5:27pm
stigie

Never forget to take the pills and ointment Nasska…Never !~
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September 12, 2014 5:31pm
Fletch

stephie –

“ISIL is not ‘Islamic.’ No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state; it was formerly al Qaeda’s affiliate in Iraq and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria’s civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government nor by the people it subjugates.”

Reaction on Twitter was bad –

(CNN) — President Barack Obama was trying to make a broader point when he uttered “ISIL is not Islamic,” but the four-word phrase could still come back to haunt him.
Critics on Twitter quickly fired off on the President for making the assertion, with many noting that ISIL in fact stands for the “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.” (CNN refers to the group by the acronym ISIS in its news reports. The group recently started calling itself the Islamic State).

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/10/politics/obama-isil-not-islamic/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
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September 12, 2014 5:43pm
J Bloggs

Fletch: And North Korea calls itself the Democratic Peoples Republic, but it sure as hell isn’t any of those……
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September 12, 2014 6:10pm
cricko

stephieboy @ 3.36 says,

“As for your quotes from the Koran. Again some context would be most usefull. ? ”

Quotes from the koran are quotes from the koran. That is the context. Simple really.

That is the word of God as given by God directly to the Archangel Gabriel and passed on to mohammed who dictated
it to one of his wives who wrote it down for him (he was illiterate)

Trust this helps you with, ‘context”
Watch the video posted by Fletch at 2.33 you would find it most instructive.

And of course God would not want to contradict himself so the concept of abrogation dictates that in that case you should
disregard Gods earlier remark, the latest quote is the one you can take to the bank.

PS ‘ Islam 101’ by Gregory which you can find on the site ‘Jihad Watch’ would help bring you up to speed.
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September 12, 2014 6:13pm
Other_Andy

@Fletch and others

Since the attacks on September 11, 2001, The Middle East Media Research Institute has monitored, translated, and recorded what was said in the Arab and Iranian press about that day. Prominent journalists, members of academia, leading religious figures, and even Arab government officials helped shape conspiracies about what “really” happened.
The carefully documented collection is now available as a PDF and includes a compilation of articles and editorials from the mainstream Arabic and Persian language press, as well as transcripts from television programs.
A documentary film about the Arab and Iranian reaction to 9/11 incorporates footage from various TV and satellite stations in the Middle East. It was made with Interface Media Group and narrated by acclaimed actor Ron Silver.

All the material can be found here….

http://www.memrifilms.org/9-11-five-years-later.php

I vividly remember the day and I won’t forget how those animals reacted (They celebrated) when thousands were killed in New York.
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September 12, 2014 6:15pm
nasska

Maybe it won’t be quite so cut & dried for the conservonutters after all. Their desire to meddle in everyone else’s affairs could impact on them too:

….”Conservative Epsom candidate Christine Rankin today revealed a secret tax plan to radically increase excise tax on alcohol in order to fund their $20,000 income tax-free threshold”….

SO

….” the Conservative Party intends to raise an additional $4 billion in tax revenue by increasing taxes levelled on alcohol.”….

AND

….” less than $1 billion of tax revenue is currently raised from alcohol excise tax. In order to raise an extra $4 billion, it would require the Government to increase taxes on alcohol by 400%.”….

Ref: http://www.act.org.nz/posts/conservatives-secret-tax-agenda-revealed

The price of communion wine & the half bottle of gin to get fired up enough to beat the wife & kids may sky-rocket.
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September 12, 2014 6:19pm
Harriet

So National is going to allow that through Nasska?

So what’s you’re problem – scared of the make believe now is it? 😎
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September 12, 2014 6:43pm
nasska

How does anyone know what will be the result of any post election shenanigans Harriet?

And although I’ll acknowledge that all Conservative policy other than binding referenda to re-legalise baby bashing is populist garbage & all over the place why would Christine Rankin announce it as policy if it is “make believe”?
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September 12, 2014 6:50pm
Harriet

No it’s make believe that National would let it through. And you are trying to suggest they would.

Lost confidence in them to manage have you? 😎
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September 12, 2014 6:57pm
nasska

….”Lost confidence in them to manage have you?”….

No….that is what National have always done well. For all that MMP only allows them to play with the hand that the electorate deals them in eight days time.

With luck the NZ Conservatives won’t be part of it.
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September 12, 2014 7:00pm
Harriet

“….For all that MMP only allows them to play with the hand that the electorate deals them in eight days time….”

Now you are on to it.

“……populist garbage & all over the place why would Christine Rankin announce it as policy if it is “make believe”?….”

And National hasn’t done that?

Still got the Women’s Ministry?
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September 12, 2014 7:05pm
nasska

….”Still got the Women’s Ministry?”….

Who could be so heartless as to chuck a couple of hundred otherwise unemployable, fat, rabid lesbians out onto the cold hard streets? 🙂
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September 12, 2014 7:09pm
Harriet

All of us here. 😎
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September 12, 2014 7:41pm
nasska

It’s sad to see that Oscar Pistorius had to do it the hard way.

Whereas he could have done it the easy way by converting to Islam and accusing his girlfriend of adultery.
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September 12, 2014 7:58pm
Tauhei Notts

Racing tips rarely make it to Kiwiblog but I have found one.
Next Friday (N.Z. time) America’s richest harness race for 3 year old pacers will be held in Ohio.
I have seen a horse for Silent T to bet on, being just one day before the election.
It is named Lyonssomewhere.
Spend a dollar and buy a ticket for him. His response will be hilarious.
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September 12, 2014 8:35pm
Rowan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthMHjoNyjA

I can understand Stan’s dilemma about voting, Still deciding whether or not to vote in this election as don’t like any of the candidates enough. Will the election be won by giant douche or turd sandwich?
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September 12, 2014 9:48pm
Sublime

A CIA assessment puts the number of ISIS fighters at possibly more than three times the previous estimates.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/meast/isis-syria-iraq/index.html

Lucky the payload on the Lancer B1 and the ‘ole B52 can take a bit. This is gonna get messy.
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September 12, 2014 11:16pm
deadrightkev

NK

Cmon matey.

The Conservatives taxation concept is not new and does not expect to be implemented in one term. Sir Roger Douglas actually pioneered the idea as he did the Act party as you know. His idea also called for a packaged concept and staged reduction in taxation with zero company tax. That idea is still the best on the planet of NZ in my view.

Sir Roger is such a great man. The Arthur Lydiard of NZ politics.

I cannot understand why Chris and Brian weren’t encouraged to disappear along with other the destructive failed operatives then get Sir Roger back to rescue the party fortunes with Jamie. There is always next election if the party doesn’t make it this time.
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