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General Debate 10 September 2014

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publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers 🙂

Sink your wee gums into THIS one….
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10 September 2014

OPEN LETTER to Stephen Franks, Principal, Franks and Ogilvie
“Are these ‘WhaleDump’ emails true?”

Dear Stephen,

It is with some deep concern, that I have read the following alleged email correspondence, between Jordan Williams, then, as I understand it, employed as a Solicitor at your company, Franks and Ogilvie.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/twitter-suspends-whaledump-account

There is significant public interest in these matters relating to ‘dirty politics’.

I would appreciate your honest response to the following questions:

Are these emails true?

Yes or no?

If yes, is the ‘Steve’ referred to in these emails by Jordan Williams, yourself?

Yes or no?

Is it correct that Jordan Williams now employed as a ‘consultant’ as opposed to a ‘solicitor’ by Franks and Ogilvie?

http://www.franksogilvie.co.nz/

http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/jordan-williams/20/b29/34

If yes, why is Jordan Williams not currently listed as a consultant in your list of ‘people’ at Franks and Ogilvie?

I note that in 2008, you were the National Party candidate for Wellington Central.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/wellington-central-candidate-for-the-national-party/

Are you still connected in any way with the National Party?

If so – how?

Looking forward to your prompt reply.

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
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September 10, 2014 4:29pm
stigie

“Damn right. Nasska and his idiot mates turn this into an unreadable garbage tip every evening with their infantile jokes and their childlike chatroom style conversations”

Nasska and his idiot mates are generally positive with debate throughout the day ,but come the evening, there is nothing wrong with letting your hair blow in the wind and talk some shite.
If DPF was not at all happy, i am sure he would inform those idiots, but until then….join in and have some fun or just scroll through and dont complain !~
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September 10, 2014 4:50pm
Nookin

Draft response suggested for Franks & Ogilvie

Dear Ms Bright.
In answer to your questions, in the order in which they were presented:
1. None of your business.
2. None of your business
3. None of your business
4. None of your business
5. None of your business
6. None of your business
7. None of your business
8. None of your business
I should add that matters of employment are covered by the Privacy Act and you have no standing to request any information. We also take a dim view of people intervening over personal email illegally obtained and trying to score cheap nasty political points.”
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September 10, 2014 4:50pm
freemark

Just heard an unscientific phone in poll on George FM – remember the demographic (Ponsonby & mainly the hipster set), remember it will be mainly cell phones.. 25 calls, 8 Nat, 8 Green, 3 IMP, 2 NZ First, 2 Labour, 1 Cons, 1 Act. Labour are completely stuffed..no Labour means no Greens. They should get back to being a party for the Environment & drop the Commie stuff, then maybe they won’t be eclipsed by the BlueGreens….
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September 10, 2014 5:56pm
nasska

….” a party for the Environment & drop the Commie stuff, then maybe they won’t be eclipsed by the BlueGreens”….

Too late for the Greens as we knew them. The original tree huggers have been ousted by communists & social engineers.
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September 10, 2014 6:17pm
Ross12

Nats still a good position in the latest TV3 poll –46.7%

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24955636/poll-shows-national-closing-in-on-election-win/
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September 10, 2014 6:24pm
Colville

It would be interesting if the Nats really push BlueGreen, see if they can steal the Melons lunch come ’17.

Imagine an enviromental party that was ecconomically literate and not anti everything!! 🙂
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September 10, 2014 6:44pm
dad4justice

“It would be interesting if the Nats really push BlueGreen,”

They couldn’t because they need the back handers from big business that keep our rivers polluted.
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September 10, 2014 6:50pm
Viking2

This is such a heartwarming story …

Two Islamic fundamentalists boarded

a flight out of London . One took a window seat and the other sat next to him in the middle seat.

Just before take-off, a Royal Marine sat down in the aisle seat.

After take-off the Marine kicked his shoes off, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the Arab in the window seat said ‘I need to get up and get a Coke.’

‘Don’t get up,’ said the Marine ‘I’m in the aisle seat, ‘I’ll get it for you.’

As soon as he left one of the Arabs picked up the Marine’s shoe and spat in it. When the Marine returned with the Coke, the other Arab said, ‘That looks good. I’d really like one too.’ Again, the Marine obligingly went to fetch it.

While he was gone the other Arab picked up the Marine’s other shoe and spat in it. When the Marine returned they all sat back and enjoyed the flight.

As the plane was landing the Marine slipped his feet into his shoes and knew immediately what had happened. He leaned over and asked his Arab neighbours, ‘Why does it have to be this way?’

‘How long must this go on? This fighting between our nations? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in shoes and pissing in Cokes?’
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September 10, 2014 7:00pm
Griff

Blue green nats
with the denial of climate science so frequently displayed by so many on here you really have to be smoking something to think that’s a goer under the present monolithic party structure.
It was interesting to see the graph of party support DPF published recently with the greens rise matching the fall in national popularity exactly that absolutely no one commented on.
In some ways national is very lucky the greens are so Marxist if they were not I think they would make even more inroads in the national vote.
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September 10, 2014 7:13pm
dad4justice

So I guess the Bluegreens are happy the most used recreational waterway in the South Island ( Waimakariri River) remains polluted and totally unsafe to swim in, as Silver Fern Farms Ltd pumps more deadly chemicals into the river without any consequences. What a rort! What a disgrace!
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September 10, 2014 7:31pm
Sofia

Dear Ms Bright,

You should have noticed the first featured email ends with the wording “This email may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If it is not meant for you please immediately tell me and delete it.”

What part of this do you not understand? Intended, of course, in a caring way 🙂

Yours sincerely, Stephen
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September 10, 2014 8:03pm
Viking2

Another political poll shows National heading back into power without the need to call on Winston Peters for support, but only just.

The latest 3News Reid Research poll, released this evening, gave National 46.7 per cent, up 0.3 percentage points, while Labour was also almost unchanged at 26.1 per cent, up 0.2 percentage points.

The Green Party climbed 0.4 percentage points to 13 per cent, while NZ First rose 0.1 percentage points to 5.9 per cent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10482795/Poll-has-National-governing-without-Peters
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September 10, 2014 8:20pm
freemark

Is Phool still around, haven’t seen much of him but now I understand more why he can’t write properly..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11322061

Disclaimer: I smoked too much pot as a teen, which is why I think anyone who supplies it to under 21yrs old (at least) should be shot.
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September 10, 2014 8:35pm
waikatogirl

Watching Leaders Debate on 3: Cunliffe believes there is NO effect on businesses having to raise minimum wage by $2. If he believes that he is a bigger idiot that I thought before. I suggest he runs his own business before he tells us business owners how the world works.
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September 10, 2014 9:01pm
All_on_Red

“with the denial of climate science so frequently”

Hahahahaha this from the guy who can’t tell the Arctic from his elbow and gets repeatedly fisked about the parroted rubbish he spouts from his own wingnut sources.
It’s such a joke. And yet after being so publicly proved wrong and embarrassed he keeps coming back! Ha.
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September 10, 2014 9:25pm
adze

Have to hand it to Campbell, he has handled the TV3 debate much better than Hosking did on TV1. Assertive, but without the clear bias in his Live show.
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September 10, 2014 9:38pm
Redbaiter

Notice how his viewers voted against tax cuts?

Sign of either or both of these things-

1) The number of net taxpayers compared to beneficiaries/ govt workers in NZ is way out of whack or,

2) Campbell’s viewers are a majority of socialists, beneficiaries and govt workers.
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September 10, 2014 9:55pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I think they both missed the point that at the moment more small businesses fail per year than those that start. Of course JK would not volunteer the information. Equally, whatever the fantastic plan for more houses in Auckland may be, it has not produced a single home, Cunliffe could have capitalised on that more. Neither man is a small business owner and didn’t quite make a fist of it of explaining their policy on the matter – though Cunliffe should have seized the argument that sb was failing under National. The if, maybe, but $5 a week in 2017 was a poor communication and not really worth JK trying to make it fly. I think it was JK who said that NZ is on the ‘cusp’ of something special – offering an apparent debater, Cunliffe, a golden opportunity of rebuttal. Also, the talk of workers ‘up skilling’ in some miraculous way is pure nonsense across the board. Good debate though, I’d go DC despite his advantage against an incumbent, and therefore perhaps a feeling of change existing in the electorate, because JK struggled with a message that doesn’t resonant in the cold morning, in particular with housing, tax ‘cuts’. Worth watching, maybe a draw over 3 debates. That puts DC LP leader into the future, as does the anticipated fallout from the ‘hacked’ disclosures. But really he needed to win, as Key did against HC when she patronised him. Good contest.
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September 10, 2014 10:20pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

The Standard have declared Cunliffe a clear winner in the debate tonight….well that is quite a surprise indeed 🙂 . I should probably stop visiting there because I find the groupthink fucking scary tbh
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September 10, 2014 10:44pm
Sublime

The Malaysian diplomat at the centre of serious sexual assault allegations is reportedly ready to return to New Zealand to face trial

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/accused-malaysian-diplomat-ready-return-reports-6077283?autoStart=true

This will get messy. Although it could be four days or four months before he turns up. I highly doubt it’ll be before the election. If he does, will it take some of the spotlight from Herr Dotcom?
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September 10, 2014 11:22pm
Sublime

And speaking of international affairs, the MH370 stories are still doing the rounds. On my daily read this afternoon I flicked over a few round-up reports of the conspiracy theories. Seriously, there’s some crazy sh*t going round about the fate of that plane.

One sort of interesting one was the fact that there were about 10 employees on board who worked for a microchip company … the theory goes that the Americans were ‘afraid’ the employees would be taken [no, I’ve no idea how] by the Chinese and would therefore be forced to divulge commercial secrets about what exactly these chips and their accompanying technologies could do. So, the plane apparently landed at Diego Garcia and the Americans then had their way with the select few and ‘took care’ of the rest. The theorist had zero proof for this, funnily enough.

Another was that the Chinese shot the whole thing down with a missile from a submarine. Supposedly, there was an individual aboard they wanted not to be alive any more. Like the latter example, no proof whatsoever.
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September 10, 2014 11:34pm
Griff

All_on_Red (1,520 comments) says:
September 10th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

Hahahahaha this from the guy who can’t tell the Arctic from his elbow and gets repeatedly fisked about the parroted rubbish he spouts from his own wingnut sources.
It’s such a joke. And yet after being so publicly proved wrong and embarrassed he keeps coming back! Ha.

Three claims for wing nuts like you on gd above
EAD the myth demolished
using James delignpools rubbish in brietbart that is attempting tp destroy the consensus
even if consensus below 97% the posted diatribe fails to destroy the fact of agw
Fail;
EAD then quotes a report then says Abbott doesn’t believe in climate change
Reading his link it says Abbot has cancelled carbon trading but is now using grants (crony capitalism not the market based method Abbot cancelled) to reduce emission
fail
Free mark links to rubbish that is so wrong it hurts one claim in his link is the medieval warm period was warmer than today
Proven totally wrong by discovery’s of organic remains more than 1000 years old that would have long ago rotted away if that claim were true
Fail
Three out of three wrong

And you claim victory for wingnuts
Pigeon chess mate .
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September 11, 2014 7:00am
OneTrack

And after all that, no warming for 16 years and a bunch of models that can’t predict next week, much less 50 years in the future.
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September 11, 2014 7:25am
Griff

http://web.archive.org/web/20111019233002/http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mostmods.jpg
fail number four.
Models can not predict next week.
Models dont predict weather.
fail number five
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September 11, 2014 7:42am
Griff

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/13
The year 2013 ties with 2003 as the fourth warmest year globally since records began in 1880. Currently, the warmest year on record is 2010, which was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above average. Including 2013, 9 of the 10 warmest years in the 134-year period of record have occurred in the 21st century. Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.

Eight of the 10 warmest Julys have occurred within the past 10 years
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for July 2014 was the fourth highest on record for July, at 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average of 15.8°C (60.4°F).
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June 2014 was the highest on record for the month, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.5°C (59.9°F).
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for May 2014 was record highest for this month, at 0.74°C (1.33°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F).
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for April 2014 tied with 2010 as the highest on record for the month, at 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average of 13.7°C (56.7°F).

Fail number six!
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