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J Bloggs

Great Billboard modification in the Herald today:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/article.cfm?c_id=702&objectid=11304970
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August 7, 2014 8:02am
kowtow

The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders. Six years for a vicious home invasion?

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311850/savagery-beyond-belief
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August 7, 2014 8:04am
kowtow

Obama and his minions ,Baroness Warsi,the UN ,leftists and the world’s media who are so concerned about Gaza don’t give a shit for a much bigger humanitarian disaster and genuine genocide.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11016794/40000-Iraqis-stranded-on-Sinjar-mountain-after-Islamic-State-death-threats.html
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August 7, 2014 8:08am
Redbaiter

“The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders.”

Read the article. That judge has completely failed to do her job. 40 years would be too short for those disgusting pieces of excrement.
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August 7, 2014 8:09am
oldpark

Watched that person called Harre .A woman with a mans face.She looked all bitter and twisted,just like her big never missed a meal in his live dotcom documented for all to see A real sugar daddy,financing a party with alleged hot illegal money.Harre has no shame she is as tough as old boots .W
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August 7, 2014 8:09am
Left Right and Centre

NZ Bus, which operates the Go Wellington and Valley Flyer services, attached surveillance devices to the engines of its 382 buses last August as part of a $3 million investment in driver training.

Excellent – now to fit devices to every registered vehicle in NZ.

(You’re speeding – ping !! Ping ping ping !! Oh – gotcha – whoo – gotcha. And again. And again – oooh – and again. Well done. Oooo – there’s another one – thank you very much for your kind donation, thank you very much, thank you very very very much. Every tenth one is free – just kidding – hand it over mate – there you go. Easy does it – got him again – struth – and another one. Budget surplus coming up – keep going – thaaaaank you sir, well played).
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August 7, 2014 8:10am
Redbaiter

“Excellent – now to fit devices to every registered vehicle in NZ.”

You do know that the financial burden to govt of the long term unemployed is one of the drivers behind these kind of actions don’t you?
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August 7, 2014 8:12am
Tarquin North

I see the Herald is fawning over gang members again this morning. They might as well print a patch on the front page. Bring on the pay wall it will be their death knell.
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August 7, 2014 8:17am
Left Right and Centre

Being vermin scum who is not to be associated with Red I feel so validated I could cry.
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August 7, 2014 8:18am
Redbaiter

Well, how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?

We are already paying billions of dollars in interest on money borrowed to prop up the welfare state.
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August 7, 2014 8:21am
Keeping Stock

Will Russel Norman’s concerns about plunging dairy prices be so genuine that the Greens will can their proposed Carbon Tax of 12.5%, or at least defer it until prices recover? Or is his unrestrained glee at the latest fall at the global auction more about political opportunism?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/we-cant-help-but-wonder.html
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August 7, 2014 8:24am
flipper

Here we go again….
The silly xyz Herald pontificating on matters on which it chooses to remain ignorant.
It says…

*** … “Editorial: Peace up to Israel
Once again, Israel may have bought itself a respite from rockets and other incursions from Palestinian… “

The Herald and KB readers / commenters should read the excellent Whale piece this morning

*** … “Compare and Contrast: Part three
by SB on August 7, 2014 at 7:30am
…..
Lets look at how Germany kept its preparations for war hidden from the world prior to WWII and what Hamas has successfully hidden from the world until now.
Covert preparation for War

COMPARE WWII …..

A read of that excellent piece will astound y’all because the NAZI manipulation of and by the media (1920-1929)is identical to what we are seeing/reading/hearing today in respect of Gaza and Israel..

To paraphrase….. There are none so blind as those who choose not to see…
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August 7, 2014 8:26am
Nostradamus

More lunacy from the Greens:

Greens threaten expressway with roadblock

Hamilton’s Ruakura development may have received interim approval to move to its next stage but the Green Party has said it will not commit to completing a major expressway that would feed the transport hub site.

Green MP Julie Anne Genter said completing the Waikato Expressway through to Hamilton, past the Ruakura site, did not make sense, despite projections the hub would reduce road traffic by 65,000 truck journeys.

The backers of the Ruakura project, which won interim approval from an independent board of inquiry this week, plan to build a massive logistics hub, retail space, knowledge zone and residential area to the city’s east.

The $3.3 billion development is projected to generate more than 10,000 jobs and $4.4b in gross regional product, while reducing traffic movements.

The $420 million Huntly section and the $700m Hamilton section of the Waikato Expressway are scheduled for approval next year but Genter said the money would be better spent elsewhere.

“I don’t think it makes sense to spend billions of dollars on projects that are going to do nothing to make New Zealand more resilient to higher oil prices and having a more sustainably balanced transport system,” Genter said.

Work continues south of Hamilton and north of Rangiriri, and the two sections would complete the road from the Bombay Hills to Cambridge.

“A billion dollars to join up one road to another one is probably not the best use of a billion dollars,” Genter said.

So, dare we ask, how would Ms Genter spend a billion dollars of other people’s money?
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August 7, 2014 8:27am
Left Right and Centre

I could be wrong Red – but I’m quite certain you don’t give a toss what anyone else thinks. Waste of key pressing.
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August 7, 2014 8:28am
OneTrack

“Will Russel Norman’s concerns about plunging dairy prices be so genuine that the Greens will can their proposed Carbon Tax of 12.5%”

No it won’t. The Greens want to put the dairy farmers out of business – for Gaia. A simple drop in dairy prices won’t stop them. They probably had a celebration drink in the caucus room when the news came through.
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August 7, 2014 8:28am
OneTrack

“Editorial: Peace up to Israel”

What a lefty rag. Peace is up to the Palestinians.

Stop firing the rockets. Oh, look, you did and the shelling stopped. Who would have thought.
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August 7, 2014 8:31am
oldpark

Just waiting for the tape made by the big sugar daddy convicted criminal Schmidz/Dotcon and hopefully will be released by apologist Harre.The tapes shows Dotcon inciting the crowd to chant F*** John Key.Certainly hoping the holier than thou, thick skinned Harre will show her real colours,based on her previous controversial track record.
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August 7, 2014 8:31am
publicwatchdog

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Looking forward to the following candidates for the Helensville electorate – John Key (National Party), Corie Haddock (Labour Party), Kennedy Graham (Green Party), Andrew Williams (NZ First), Laila Harre (Internet/Mana) vigorously and publicly supporting the right of the voting public to ‘cast an informed vote’, and my inclusion as an Independent candidate, who is only seeking the Helensville ELECTORATE vote, in the upcoming candidates debate (Monday 11 August 2014 7pm Kumeu Baptist Church Hall).

Let’s see which political parties genuinely believe in ‘democracy’ / ‘freedom of expression’ / ‘freedom of association’ and ‘freedom from discrimination on the grounds of political opinion’.

Penny Bright
2014 Independent candidate for Helensville

Who has been denied the opportunity to speak at this above-mentioned Helensville candidates meeting by the organiser, purportedly because I am not representing any political party.
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August 7, 2014 8:32am
Keeping Stock

Redbaiter said:

Well, how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?

In case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:

Welfare numbers lowest since 2008

Social Development Minister Paula Bennett has today released latest benefit figures showing the number of people on welfare for the June quarter is the lowest since 2008, with sole parents leading the impressive results.

“There are over 16,000 fewer people on welfare compared to June 2013, with the total number currently 293,586,” Mrs Bennett said.

“When we look back just a few years to 2010, when benefit numbers were around 352,000, it’s clear to see the difference that welfare reforms are making, alongside New Zealand’s strong and growing economy.”

Numbers on the Jobseeker Support benefit have decreased by almost 7,500 since last year and have been consistently declining since 2010, even as the overall working age population has increased over the same time.

“Most significant is the 10.7 per cent total drop in people on the Sole Parent Support benefit in the past year, which is happening nationwide with 12 per cent drops in Nelson and Waikato, and an 11.9 per cent drop in the Bay of Plenty, as well as big decreases in Canterbury and Auckland,” Mrs Bennett said

“Sole parents, particularly those who go on benefit in their teens, have the highest lifetime costs of any group on welfare and are more likely to stay on benefit the longest.”

“We’ve deliberately targeted our welfare reforms at sole parents by investing millions into intensive support and training and into help with study and childcare, so that working while raising children alone is achievable, and rewarding.”

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/welfare-numbers-lowest-2008
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August 7, 2014 8:34am
Redbaiter

“I could be wrong Red”

Why don’t you answer the question? You’re prepared to heavily criticise whatever actions the govt might take to keep you in food and shelter but are apparently unable to offer any better alternatives. If you are going to continue a life style based entirely on money from govt, how is that money going to be collected from the increasingly burdened productive sector?
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August 7, 2014 8:35am
Simon

“how do you suggest the govt meets the growing demands of the ever increasing number of citizens who depend upon it for a living?”

The productive have been long since sucked dry via tax. Apart from tax the sources of revenue for the State are borrowing, govt department fees, selling assets, printing, fines & liens/confiscation of property. The State will never reduce spending.

Thatcher said that sooner or later the socialists run out of other peoples money. NZ currently floats along on a massive bubble of credit.
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August 7, 2014 8:35am
Nookin

Penny

I suspect that given your intention to rabbit on about the repeal of US legislation and blame Key for GFC, the organisers have decided that you have nothing relevant or realistic to say.
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August 7, 2014 8:38am
Keeping Stock

@ oldpark – you mean this one? Go right to the end…

http://youtu.be/YL4UBS_m23w
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August 7, 2014 8:38am
Nostradamus

Penny Not-So:

… vigorously and publicly supporting the right of the voting public to ‘cast an informed vote’ …

Yes!

Now, so that the voting public can cast an informed vote, would you kindly answer the following questions (which go back to 4 August – but I understand you’ve been busy campaigning):

1. How many people have made donations through your website since you posted your bank account details?

2. In the last financial year:

– What was the total amount donated?
– Who made the smallest donation, and how much was their donation?
– Who made the largest donation, and how much was their donation?

3. Have you spent any of the total amount donated in the last financial year?

4. If yes to 3, please specify: (i) each item purchased; (ii) when it was purchased; (iii) the purpose for which it was purchased; and (iv) the relevant amount.

5. In your Return of Electoral Donations and Expenses form, you declared an amount of $42.78 spent on “4 cans spray ink”? Given the unusual nature of that purchase in the context of a mayoral campaign, did the amount of $42.78 come from donations? Were the “4 cans spray ink” used to deface other candidates’ signs?

6. Have you retained any of the total amount donated in the last financial year as remuneration (however characterised) for your “self-funded work”?

7. If yes to 6, how much have you retained, and for what purpose?

8. If yes to 6, have you, or do you intend to, declare the retained amount in your tax return?

Your answers – all in the name of transparency – will be of considerable interest to Kiwiblog readers and the IRD!

But, of course, you have no intention of being all that transparent, do you?
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August 7, 2014 8:39am
publicwatchdog

Also looking forward to the ACT Party and Conservative Party candidates equally supporting my being given an equal opportunity to be heard at this upcoming Helensville candidates’ meeting.

Sorry – but I don’t (yet) know your names.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2014 Independent candidate for the Helensville electorate
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August 7, 2014 8:40am
Colville

or maybe because you are a loon?
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August 7, 2014 8:41am
Keeping Stock

@ Nookin – and I suspect you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Penny needs to find herself a sugar daddy 😀
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August 7, 2014 8:42am
Redbaiter

“n case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:”

Spare me the hollow National Party propaganda please KS.

The bottom line is govt spending is increasing and whereas this years budget is around $80 billion its projected to grow to around $100 billion in a few years.

All this from an ever shrinking productive sector.

There is going to be a massive correction one day, without doubt.

And who will be to blame for the widespread desperation and deprivation that will arise from that event?
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August 7, 2014 8:44am
UglyTruth

and what Hamas has successfully hidden from the world until now.

ground penetrating radars Companies in Israel
20 Results found

“Ilana Freedman, veteran intelligence analys, raised the issue of the threat of tunnels crossing the Lebanon Israel frontier. The IDF was warned about the Hezbollah tunnels as early as April 2010, including a large tunnel which was being constructed from southern Lebanon to central Haifa.”

Link
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August 7, 2014 8:44am
Gulag1917

Freedom of speech US style.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stars-face-hollywood-backlash-war-723613
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August 7, 2014 8:47am
publicwatchdog

Gee Nookin – you have the ability to read minds do you?

WOW!

How clever are you?

You know my subject matter, before I even get the right to speak?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2014 Independent Candidate for Helensville
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August 7, 2014 8:48am
alloytoo

@ Penny

In the interests of transparency how much did you contribute to the repair of Aotea Square after your squat there a few years back?
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August 7, 2014 8:49am
graham

Penny, once you’ve answered the excellent questions that Nostradamus has asked, could you possibly address this one.

On the 4th of August, you were singing the praises of Grace Haden, candidate for Epsom, for her policies and “proven track record in fighting corruption”.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/rankin_for_epsom.html#comment-1373364

I asked you to provide the INDEPENDENT evidence of what Grace Haden has actually achieved. I think the people of Epsom have a right to know the history and the achievements (or lack thereof) of people they are considering voting for – don’t you?

Kiwiblog – supporting the right of the voting public to ‘cast an informed vote’ – as you so rightly put it.

Meant – as always – in a CARING way. 🙂
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August 7, 2014 8:49am
Left Right and Centre

Red – I get the impression that you’re a person who is quite intelligent but you’re just not a fun fella – why on earth would anyone want to bother with your shit ? You come across to me as a nasty vile unsmiling loser who sees the worst in everything and makes me shudder. But who knows, right ?

Why don’t you answer the question ? Why don’t you answer the question ? I demand an answer !! Answer you vermin !!

Answer me !! Answer me !! NOW !!!!!!!!
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August 7, 2014 8:49am
Other_Andy

This is not Benghazi, Beirut, Karachi, Tower Hamlets or some other place full of Islamic fundamentalists..
It is…..
Sydney.
Just a short plane flight away.
‘Multiculturalism’, look and weep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&feature=player_embedded

From the Herald Sun in Australia
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/these_people_walk_our_streets_yet_the_left_reckons_silly_abbott_overreacts_/
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August 7, 2014 8:53am
graham

John Key – question to Laila Harre this afternoon:

“Who’s your daddy, babe, who’s your sugar daddy?”
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August 7, 2014 8:54am
Nostradamus

Graham:

Penny, once you’ve answered the excellent questions that Nostradamus has asked, could you possibly address this one.

Goodness – you’d think our questions are like garlic to a vampire for Penny – she’s outta here faster than Roadrunner on steroids!
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August 7, 2014 8:55am
Redbaiter

“Answer me !! Answer me !! NOW !!!!!!!!”

OK, so you can’t answer the question- because you’re a vacant headed left wing loser, and not as you proclaim yourself “left right and center”. Just another commie of severely limited intellect complaining about outcomes and in insane self serving denial about his own responsibility for those outcomes.
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August 7, 2014 8:55am
Pete George

In the interests of transparency how much did you contribute to the repair of Aotea Square after your squat there a few years back?

Interesting that this has been brought up. That was in the lead up to the last election. While at the start there were some well meaning participants it was driven by Mana and Sociialist Aotearoa interests. They’ve manipulated themselves on to a much bigger stage this campaign, with a very big “founder and visionary” (and financier) to promote their revolution.
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August 7, 2014 8:58am
Nookin

No, Penny, I did not read your mind. It is too scrambled. I read the posts where you said what you were going to talk about.
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August 7, 2014 9:02am
Harriet

“n case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:”

So what? Nearly everyone in NZ is under employed. Incomes say so. National has been around for 6yrs.

‘….welfare….’

Socialised medicine….education………’government services’ is newspeak for ‘welfare’.

All national is doing is showing us improved outcomes of socialism. You may get better services for your taxes, but they’re no where near as good as those you would get in the private sector.

Nothing has changed – much.
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August 7, 2014 9:02am
Gulag1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxz_pFpkNkg
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August 7, 2014 9:02am
oldpark

@KEEPING STOCK 8.38 am.Thanks for that.Was wondering why the sicko leffto MSM have not exposed the filth as generated by the gang of so called hard done by Dotcon and sycophants party.Also surprised the TVNZ Labour Party channel have ignored it.Not forgetting another who should be better informed,, Toni Street a Seven Sharp person,who last night put her mouth into action before her brain was engaged supporting the sugar daddy funded female.from a dubious party
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August 7, 2014 9:05am
dirty harry

Kowtow , re the filth who beat up the lady , why are they always maori ?
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August 7, 2014 9:07am
stephieboy

Gulag,

Brother Nathaniel is a proper nutcase even disowned and denounced by Stormfront and other Neo Nazi websites
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Meanwhile more conspiracy theory craziness and lunacy Flight MH 17 as a Hoax with a cast of crises actors as passengers and crew,

http://globalelite.tv/2014/07/25/malaysian-airline-flight-mh17-hoax-exposed/
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August 7, 2014 9:09am
publicwatchdog

On 2 July 2014 the petition of Grace Haden calling for an Independent Commission Against Corruption was presented to the House by Labour MP Andrew Little.

It has been referred to the Law and Order Select Committee.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 7, 2014 9:10am
UglyTruth

This is not Benghazi, Beirut, Karachi, Tower Hamlets or some other place full of Islamic fundamentalists..
It is…..
Sydney.

From the speech: “The struggle and the Jihad will continue until the words of Allah come true: Judgment day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews”

Hizb ut-Tahrir are misleading people. The saying that “Judgment day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews” is from the Hadith and is attributed to Muhammed. The Hadith has a history of being incorrect and is actually opposed by the Quran. Also their statement that the Jews have no place in Palestine is contradicted by the Quran.
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August 7, 2014 9:13am
dirty harry

Im going to burn down your hoardings Penny Bright when I see them..muwhhahahaha ! ( and where did you get all the money to contest the seat, I thought you were a bum )
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August 7, 2014 9:13am
flipper

Gulag1917 (702 comments) says:

August 7th, 2014 at 9:02 am

*****

Brilliant!

A classic example of the standard of education you and others (Example … Ugly) of your persuasion received in your gulag
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August 7, 2014 9:14am
stephieboy

Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system.I

Is this core Conservative Party policy by chance.?
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August 7, 2014 9:14am
Judith

@ dirty harry (439 comments) says:
August 7th, 2014 at 9:07 am

Because they are the ones that are caught, and tend to be more violent. The ‘white’ ones prefer to leave them sitting in their own filth, steal or misappropriate their life savings, force them to sign power of attorneys that allow them to spend their elderly parent’s money, and generally treat them like crap, without leaving bruises. (Not all of course – the vast majority of both Maori and Pakeha respect their elders, but there are always some that don’t).
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August 7, 2014 9:15am
G152

The emotive terms used by Goneville about how the farms should be sold to New Zealanders are amusing.
Back in the early 1920s and the late 1940s very large farms were cut up into small units and balloted out to Returned Servicemen.
Most of these were not economic units, failed and the farms reverted to larger economically viable units.
And it costs lots of money to create these smaller farms, fencing, stock water, buildings, road access and internal tracks…
Another Liebor fiasco in the making
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August 7, 2014 9:16am
publicwatchdog

How is it not a fair question to ask what role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which left the derivatives market completely without regulation) in November 1999, when John Key was the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a foreign exchange advisor for the New York Federal Reserve?

Why don’t mainstream media ask this HARD question?

Penny Bright
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August 7, 2014 9:17am
dirty harry

WTF? What are you talking about you stupid woman ?? What are you on ? Where are you from Judith ?
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August 7, 2014 9:17am
lilman

Christsake Penny pay your bloody rates !!!!!!!!!!!
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August 7, 2014 9:18am
Redbaiter

Stephie- if you want to stop people from parking in unapproved places, you fine them. The fines drive them away. Simple logic right?

So how come you can’t see the obvious outcomes over time of continually punishing the productive sector with high taxes?
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August 7, 2014 9:19am
OneTrack

oldpark – “Was wondering why the sicko leffto MSM have not exposed the filth as generated by the gang of so called hard done by Dotcon and sycophants party.Also surprised the TVNZ Labour Party channel have ignored it”

I think we all have a good idea why the LSM ignored it.
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August 7, 2014 9:20am
Left Right and Centre

Everyone on planet earth is left wing in your thinking Red – because nothing in known existence could out-right your being.

Left Right and Centre – accuracy please. Is that deliberate ? Probably – who knows ? Who knows who Red is ?

No – I can’t be bothered – with over the top hateful windbags. You’re a broken record pal – you’re boring. Really boring. You’re always exactly the same. I’ve seen it over and over again and it’s always the same tired old gobshite. So I don’t see any point in doing what ? Interacting ? FFS – I don’t listen to my cds hoping to change their tune. And I don’t listen to the same track repeatedly.

I really don’t care – you could type anything – same old Red – same shit different day – he’s off and running – it’s commies – everyone’s a commie – everyone’s deluding themselves – what else ? Everyone’s complaining. Are they ? Where did you get that one from ? I love people who make things up. I’d like to make a complaint about the accusation of complaining. I don’t see any myself.

Today’s GD song ‘Red Red Whine’. Over and over and over again. Good song. I’ll just look at this as ‘community service’ for the ‘socially disadvantaged’. Maybe I’m doing some good in this world after all.
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August 7, 2014 9:20am
publicwatchdog

How exposed has NZ now become to derivatives at both central and local government since John Key has been Prime Minister?

Where ‘on the books’ is the information which is available for public scrutiny – showing just how exposed NZ is now to derivatives?

Penny Bright
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August 7, 2014 9:21am
Judith

stephieboy (2,268 comments) says:
August 7th, 2014 at 9:14 am
Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system

Had a discussion with someone about this over a hot chocolate this morning.

They made an interesting point – privatising the health care system would result in a tax cut – which would enable people to seek their own cover. Cover which would invariably be based on whether a person lead a healthy lifestyle etc. Perhaps it would serve to be a great incentive for people to actually make the necessary changes to their diets/exercise regimes, that can’t be a bad thing. Whilst good health and fitness isn’t always an incentive – money usually is.

The draw back is, being a caring nation we would require their to be an ‘ambulance at the bottom of the cliff’ for those that failed to get cover – and the system would destroy itself.
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August 7, 2014 9:22am
Redbaiter

“I really don’t care ”

Wow, that sure is a lot of stuff for someone who “doesn’t care” Sixteen lines and over 200 words. Maybe I have had some small degree of success in awakening you to your complicity and hypocrisy in the matter of a thieving stealing out of control state.
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August 7, 2014 9:23am
graham

On 2 July 2014 the petition of Grace Haden calling for an Independent Commission Against Corruption was presented to the House by Labour MP Andrew Little.

It has been referred to the Law and Order Select Committee.

Well thank you for the answer Penny, but I have to say – is that it?

You claim that Grace Haden’s role “in terms of policies and proven track record in fighting corruption” positions her as an idela candidate for Epsom, but this “proven track record” consists of getting a petition presented to the House.

All I can say is, if that’s all she’s bringing to the fight against Christine Rankin’s proven track record, she should ask for her money back now …
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August 7, 2014 9:23am
Changeiscoming

Keeping Stock not often I down vote your posts but I did above as your post is totally deceiving. And Reds response is correct.

While I think Paula Bennett is doing a fine job, National has expanded the welfare state while in Govt – For example, food in schools, free doctors visits age limit increased to 13. All the while taking us further into debt. And dont get me started on working for families. I have a mate that earns $80k plus and loves his working for families payment. It is helping him pay off the home mortgage faster and redecorate the inside as well.
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August 7, 2014 9:30am
Ross12

Could Graham Ed. or one of the other lawyers who comment on here give us a layman’s explanation of what the ruling in the Greenpeace case actually said, please. I’m confused. Nostradamus’ comments yesterday made sense to me ( overall lose to Gp ) but other media statements seem to suggest something else. Maybe Greenpeace are spinning it to mean something that isn’t correct.
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August 7, 2014 9:32am
Judith

In case you hadn’t noticed Red, the number of people dependent on welfare has actually dropped in the last couple of years:

And do you realise that when you take the recession and the demographics into account – there is NOTHING spectacular about the drop in the number of people on welfare, and it is in keeping with other factors, rather than government moves?

No… I didn’t think so, and even if you did realise it, you’d prefer to falsely attribute it to the government anyway.
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August 7, 2014 9:34am
KiwiGreg

As long as you keep pretending that National Superannuation isn’t welfare.
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August 7, 2014 9:37am
Judith

@ Changeiscoming (147 comments) says:
August 7th, 2014 at 9:30 am

Exactly, National has simply re-organised the system, and placed even more ambulances at the bottom of the cliff. It has done nothing to encourage people to be fully self sufficient.

By extending the Paid Parental Leave, they have now increased the length of dependency from conception to death (funeral payments). Hell, a person can now go from being a fetus to a corpse and be supported by the government their entire life!
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August 7, 2014 9:38am
flipper

I have rarely bothered to comment on anything that pennyidiot has written, other than to down thumb it.

But it would increase the sum of human knowledge many-fold if pennydumbarse were to list (most, to least) the top 20 illegal, or un-parliamentary, or improper, or “corrupt”, or call it what pennydumbarse likes, things that J Key has done since becoming Prime Minister.

Oh if you have trouble pennydumbarse, make that “since becoming an MP.”

Cold beers and pretzels ,all around, please !
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August 7, 2014 9:39am
Grendel

i am shocked Penny can spell derivatives. of course its a given she has no idea what they are.

the reason oh dim one that no one is asking your ‘hard’ questions is that the premise is false. the derivative market in the US was never ‘completely unregulated’, the US finance industry is the most regulated in the country.

and why should anyone answer any of your questions when you wont answer any asked of you.

for someone who beleives in transparency for other people, you are very good at providing none on you.

What is your opinion of white collar criminals who use resources paid for by others but refuses to pay their own fair share of the costs? or is this more double standards from the dim one?
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August 7, 2014 9:40am
Left Right and Centre

And maybe I’m naked pouring hot wax on my genitals.

You counted the words Red ? Really ? To type 200 words isn’t exactly pushing the boat out, is it ? I’m sorry – over 200 words. Yeah – that took hours of considered effort to crack out.

How many words so far Red ? Give me a number if you want and I’ll see what I can do for ya. What number do commies usually go for ? If it’s more than 400 – does that make one more of a commie or less ? You’ve lost me with the grandiose accusations of something or rather . . in your usual theatrical style of course. Reminds me of Shakespeare or something – ‘to what now do we owe the hypocrisy and complicity – for it is I, the commie, who thou hatest though – to wit – it is thee who needn’t shower thy thinking with impure and violent intercobobulations’ – far out Red – do you ever speak non-blowhard ?
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August 7, 2014 9:49am
Manolo

Do as I tell you, not as I do: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/06/ex-clinton-official-robert-reich-delivers-lecture-on-greed-while-earning-240g/

Labor Secretary-turned-college professor Robert Reich’s latest lectures on income inequality don’t square with his $240,000 salary for teaching just one class.

Reich, who served in the Clinton White House and is now a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, took on the topic of “Work and Worth” in an Aug. 2 post on his blog. In it, he lamented that there is “little or no relationship” between what someone is paid and their actual worth to society, and he wrapped up his post by calling for student loans to be forgiven for graduates in fields like social work, nursing and teaching.
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August 7, 2014 9:53am
Redbaiter

“You counted the words Red ?”

No I counted the lines and multiplied that by 15. Not very accurate but good enough and rough for this exercise. The point is you keep saying you don’t care at the same time as you write emotive stuff here by the truckload that proves you do care. Self denial is a major problem with you isn’t it? But then considering your lifestyle I guess it has to be.
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August 7, 2014 9:54am
Judith

@ dirty harry (441 comments) says:
August 7th, 2014 at 9:17 am

Did you not see the European woman recently jailed for leaving her elderly mother to sit in her own urine and dirt, to the extent that she had maggots eating her – plus she stolen her mother’s money etc. As far as I am concerned, it is not just Maori that disrespect their elderly, and harm them, as you intimidated. People of all races are doing it (not the majority fortunately). It might not have been a sudden violent action, but what that woman did to her mother was equally as disgusting, and she’s not the only one that has been caught doing similar. Elderly abuse is not just a Maori issue, no matter how much you’d like it be.
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August 7, 2014 9:56am
Nostradamus

Calls for civil service inquiry grow:

Labour’s plan for a royal commission into the public service to address issues such as poor advice from officials, bullying of civil servants by ministers and the threat of “creeping corruption” has gained the backing of a former prime minister.

Labour’s state services spokeswoman, Maryan Street, yesterday said Labour would initiate an inquiry because the public service had lost much of its protections against “creeping corruption” in recent years and had “lost the courage required of a neutral professional public service”.

What utter hypocrisy.

Let’s take Phil Goff (2010) for starters:

[Goff] had no compunction using notes of a private meeting between former National leader Don Brash and a visiting United States delegation to claim New Zealand’s anti-nuclear policy “would be gone by lunchtime” under a National government.
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Former United States ambassador Bill McCormick wrote in November 2006 that Goff had “misquoted” an Mfat staffer’s notes from the meeting to claim that Brash had promised the nuclear ban would be “gone by lunchtime”.
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It’s notable that Goff refused the Herald’s request under the Official Information Act to release the full notes of the meeting that Brash had with the six visiting Republican senators.

And, let’s see, for seconds we have David Benson-Pope (2007):

Prime Minister Helen Clark today accepted the resignation of Cabinet Minister David Benson-Pope saying he had lost credibility following the [Madeleine Setchell] Setchell affair.
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National leader John Key welcomed the resignation but said it was two days’ late and should have come on Wednesday night.

He said he trusted his press secretary not to leak information to the Government and Mr Benson-Pope should have done the same.

Mr Key said the neutrality of the public service is important and needs to be protected.

Oh well, if Labour wants a Royal Commission, then we’ll have to start with their lot.
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August 7, 2014 9:56am
dime

“The courts are a joke and don’t protect the New Zealand citizen nor punish offenders. Six years for a vicious home invasion?

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311850/savagery-beyond-belief”

6 years????????
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August 7, 2014 9:58am
Left Right and Centre

You proved what now ?

Time is a major problem for me Red. Same for everyone. It’s a very brief flicker of existence. You won’t have to worry about the commies or anyone else for too much longer – soon it will be all better. For everyone.
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August 7, 2014 10:09am
stephieboy

Why I support Israel from Pat Condell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8

Spot on Pat and do note the detail and his comment comment on the boycott divestment Israel advocates. Israel produces much, much more than avocados and oranges . More than likely the chip sets that run your computer not to speak of much of the technology behind avionics, industry, technology for both military and non military applications etc, etc.

But as Pat notes it boils down to a simple equation,

The Israelis wont peace the Arabs don’t. !
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August 7, 2014 10:10am
wreck1080

Justice in New Zealand is no more.

Judge let the guy that killed steven dudley off scott free.

No repercussions at all. Nothing.

even though it was just a scrap and a heart condition was involved, surely some charge like brawling in public would be appropriate.
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August 7, 2014 10:11am
Manolo

A copy has been sent to stephieboy’s home address: http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/obamas-half-brother-spills-beans-on-president/
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August 7, 2014 10:14am
UglyTruth

Why I support Israel from Pat Condell.

“All anyone needs to know about the middle east conflict is that the Jews want peace and the Arabs don’t.”

Pat Condell has shit for brains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u6yYiWqmeCM

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am YHWH Elohykim.
Leviticus 19:33-34
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August 7, 2014 10:19am
oldpark

Sugar Daddy Dotcons hate speech tape denigrating John Key has made Face Book Radio Live.Viewers are now waking up to the fact just what Harre /Harawira gangs have bought into.To think John Key a real New Zealander has been attacked by a criminal foreigner with such unadulterated filth by Schmidz/Dotcon beggars belief.
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August 7, 2014 10:22am
lilman

Muslim extremists need to be exterminated not negotiated with.

Sad we have Obama in charge.
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August 7, 2014 10:39am
Yvette

“To talk about me as somebody who would have a sugar daddy, given the integrity that I bring into the political system,
I find deeply offensive …” – Internet Party leader Laila Harré

While her manager / visionary Kim Dotcom inspires an audience of young people to chant “Fuck John Key”
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August 7, 2014 10:41am
stephieboy

Manolo ,the Family Photo and the overttly racist attempt to use it to smear and discredit not only The president but the extended family too.! The children in the photo are Obama’s half siblings from his fathers first marriage in Kenya that includes WND’s alleged half bother Mark Obama Ndesandjo, Barack.
The name is not in the family photo.
Hmmmm…. !

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/familyphoto.asp

A word about WND . A rabid right wing blog to the right of Fox News. It’s run by ultra right wing Joseph Farrah conspiracy theorists , fundamentalist christian and creationist.

Likely the US’s answer to David Icke so bizarre his views .

WND= World Nut Daily.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/WND
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August 7, 2014 10:43am
UglyTruth

Muslim extremists need to be exterminated not negotiated with.

Got your ticket to the middle east all sorted, lilman?
Hope you don’t expect anyone else to fight your battles for you.
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August 7, 2014 10:44am
backster

WRECK…………………..It wasn’t just a scrap. IT was an unprovoked assault. The victim didn’t throw a punch. The original charge was manslaughter and that is what the assailants should have gone down for…. Letting the main assailant off completely is an injustice to the dead victim, his family, the public and even the assailants
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August 7, 2014 10:54am
Sofia

Penny, I could be incensed on your behalf, believe that a panel programme on Helenville should allow all candidates to speak, but then you say you would ask –

What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which left the derivatives market completely without regulation) in November 1999, when John Key was the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a foreign exchange advisor for the New York Federal Reserve?

So, in fact, your campaign will benefit from you not having speaking rights.
What you conceive to be a record and reputation destroying gotcha question, not to mention the glib brush off you would get, is a total fucking waste of time.

If you had a relevant, controversial and valid point, you would likely be invited to appear.
You haven’t – neither the question, or the invitation.
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August 7, 2014 11:08am
ShawnLH

“Harriet , tell us about your proposals to totally privatize our Health care system.I

Is this core Conservative Party policy by chance.?”

No stephie. Any other silly questions?
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August 7, 2014 11:22am
kowtow

wreck1080

Yep,that’s the second case today.

Judges act as social workers.Once upon a time we could rely on “the establishment” to deal with crime.However so called progressive policies are encouraging crime and criminality.There is no personal responsibility or accounting thereof.

They fly in the face of what we want . 1999 referendum.
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August 7, 2014 11:36am
Fletch

stephieboy, if someone is using WND, you can’t use snopes. Snopes are not impartial. It’s the Left to their Right.
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August 7, 2014 11:42am
Fletch

Yes, this happened in Australia.

Jewish children as young as five were subjected to a terrifying racial attack when thugs stormed their school bus and threatened to slit their throats.

Screaming “Kill the Jews” and “Heil Hitler” the louts jumped on the bus packed with about 30 students, from kindergarten to year 12, who were on their way home from school yesterday.

Police this morning arrested five alleged offenders involved in the attack.

[…]

Mother Jacqui Blackburn said her three daughters on the bus, aged eight, 10 and 12, were traumatised. “The bus driver opened the doors for these strange men and allowed them on to torment the kids,” she said.

“They were screaming ‘Heil Hitler’, ‘Kill the Jews’, ‘Palestine must kill you Jews’, ‘We are going to cut your throats and slice your throats open’ — just all very bad, anti-Semitic stuff.

The thugs got off at Bondi Junction after children phoned their parents in tears.

Mrs Blackburn said: “They phoned hysterically from Bondi saying, ‘Help us Mummy, strange bad drunk men are on the bus’.

“Then the phone cut off and another child rang saying, ‘They’re threatening to kill us, they are screaming ‘Heil Hitler’.”

One female student who was on the bus said: “All we could do was run to the front of the bus. They told the girls they were ‘f … ing c … s.”

Another mother, Isabelle Stanton, whose daughters Noa, 8, and Anais, 12, boarded at Mount Sinai College in Maroubra, said: “They were screaming racial stuff, ‘We are going to murder you’, ‘We are going to kill you’, and ‘Free Palestine’.

“When they got on the bus they wanted to sit next to the kids. When they got off they kicked the door and windows of the bus and yelled, ‘We are going to bash you guys. F. Israel, Free Palestine’.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-males-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats-five-teenagers-arrested/story-fni0cx4q-1227015860427?nk=5a57273a9ff9be6bef9884112164486b
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August 7, 2014 11:46am
mikenmild

I think I’d take Snopes over WND…
They are two different things, anyway. WND pretends to be a news site.
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August 7, 2014 11:47am
Redbaiter

Yes, but who cares for your judgment?
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August 7, 2014 11:50am
Fletch

mm, the article is news, as far as I can see. It reports the release of Obama’s brother’s new book and gives quotes from it, just like any news site.
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August 7, 2014 11:56am
stephieboy

Fletch at 11.42am,

Fletch, snopes is an anathema to you that I know but at least it attempts to look at the evidence about Obama a lot more calmly , dispassionately and objectively than you, Manolo and Joseph Farrar etc ever could or want to.

How WND makes up stuff on the hop,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/worldnetdaily-the-newsroom_b_3824286.html

Yes WND did releazse the book with the allegations but for what purpose,?

The fact that WND makes up news and creates disinformation gives you a great deal of confidence .?

BTW you support the full privatization of NZ’s health care and is it core Conservative party policy.?
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August 7, 2014 11:57am
Fletch

stephie, WND is unashamedly right wing, just as the Huffpo is unashamedly left wing. The Huffpo prints some pretty ridiculous stuff as well. Ditto for Salon etc..
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August 7, 2014 12:03pm
mikenmild

Fletch
the WND story is full of birther rubbish. You really expect anyone to take it seriously?
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August 7, 2014 12:03pm
Fletch

mm, they are just reporting what Obama’s half-brother says in his book. If you want to consider it rubbish, that is up to you, but that is not WND’s fault. He probably knows his half-brother better than you though.
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August 7, 2014 12:07pm
stephieboy

Fletch , but the named half brother by Joseph Farrah Mark does not seem to appear in the family photo.
Clarify this apparent discrepancy please.?

The ridiculous and made up stuff Huffington has posted comparable to WND.???
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August 7, 2014 12:14pm
Redbaiter

“You really expect anyone to take it seriously?”

When would we have ever had such a laughable expectation of the left? Their intent is always to ridicule and discredit those who speak truth.

Sarah Palin.
Ted Cruz.
Trey Gowdey.

BTW, see another secretive “Journolist” exposed in the US. Left wing propagandists posing as journalists and udsing their positions to influence public opinion. An unofficial Pravda. That is the left for you, so fucked in the head they produce Pravda style journalism completely uncoerced by govt.
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