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UglyTruth

No, you’re very wrong Ugly.
Mohamed gained a very imperfect understanding of the Torah, and the Christian gospels when he visited the ME, Greece, and Rome around 620 AD.

In what way do you think that his understanding was imperfect?
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August 5, 2014 7:57pm
EAD

Ron Paul asks why is “winning” Ukraine so important to Washington? Why are they risking a major war with Russia to deny people in Ukraine the right to self-determination? Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-04/ron-paul-implores-why-wont-obama-just-leave-ukraine-alone

Ron Paul might not be perfect, but at least he’s logical , consistent and has principles. Only problem is how could he possibly go far in politics with that on his resume?
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August 5, 2014 7:59pm
Scott Chris

Is brainwashing legal in our schools?

Hmm good question. Some brains out there could do with a good rinsing.

Picture a child coming home and telling her Mongrel Mob affiliated Mum that her teacher told her that gangs are bad.

Let the kid work it out maybe.
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August 5, 2014 8:08pm
nasska

John O’Riley was a member of an Irish Toast Masters Club and one evening at the local Irish Toast Masters meeting, a contest was held to see who could deliver the best toast.

Well, John O’Riley won the contest for the best toast of the evening “Here’s to the best years o’ me life, spent between the legs o’ me wife”.

When John O’Riley arrived home his beautiful wife asked him how the Toast Masters meeting went and he said “I won the contest for the best toast of the evening”.

His wife then asked him what his toast was, and he said “Here’s to the best years o’ me life, spent in church wi’ me wife”. His wife then said “Why John, that’s so nice of you to include me in your toast”.

The next morning, Mrs. O’Riley was downtown shopping and ran into the local policeman on the beat who was also at the Toast Masters meeting with John O’Riley.

He said “Hello Mrs. O’Riley, that was some great toast that your husband John gave at the Toast Masters meeting last evening. He won first prize”.

“Yes, that’s right” said Mrs. O’Riley “but he wasn’t quite honest with the facts: he’s only been there twice, the first time he fell asleep and the second time I had to pull him out by the ears”.
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August 5, 2014 8:10pm
mikenmild

Chuckleworthy
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August 5, 2014 8:26pm
big bruv

Oh Rowan, don’t be such a cock.

All any atheist asks is that you keep your toys to yourself. All we want is for you to play with your toy on your own, do whatever you want with that toy just do not insist that others must play with your toy or face a life (or death as it happens) of eternal fire.

See Rowan, that is the difference between people like you and me. I don’t care what you believe in (as ludicrous as it is). I don’t care how you practice your stupid belief. I don’t care how many people you want to gather with on any given day of the week to celebrate your belief.
What separates you and me Rowan is that I will never demand you give up your belief as I simply don’t care. You however Rowan are compelled by the book of instructions that comes with your toy to force the rest of us to all play by the same rules. As long as you keep insisting that you have the right to invade my life, or tell lies to innocent children and poison their minds then I will continue to fight for my freedom and the freedom of innocent children.
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August 5, 2014 8:27pm
cricko

Paddy goes into the bank, points a banana at the teller and says,
This is a cockup.

Teller says, Dont you mean its a stickup ?

Paddy says, No, its a cockup.
I left my gun at home.
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August 5, 2014 8:33pm
mikenmild

Lame
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August 5, 2014 8:37pm
goldnkiwi

That could read ‘I left my stick at home’. 😉 lol
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August 5, 2014 8:44pm
Reid

All any atheist asks is that you keep your toys to yourself. All we want is for you to play with your toy on your own, do whatever you want with that toy just do not insist that others must play with your toy or face a life (or death as it happens) of eternal fire.

That’s what we do BB. When was the last time any Christian commenter here ever said or even implied anything like that?

All we ever do is correct people’s misperceptions when we see them.

But many to most atheists hallucinate that merely doing that is doing what you imply above.

Which is YOUR HALLUCINATION and nothing more.

Possibly brought about by your own subconscious guilt over your Godless behaviour.

But you’ve made your own bed, so lie in it. In other words, it’s your guilt and no-one elses. So if others bring up a subject you feel guilty over, that’s not the fault of the person whose bringing it up.

And if others wish to discuss religion, stop hallucinating the mere discussion of it is an affront on your own sensibilities because doing so, again, is YOUR HALLUCINATION.
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August 5, 2014 8:45pm
mikenmild

I don’t object to others discussing religion. It is a fascinating pathology.
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August 5, 2014 8:49pm
big bruv

Reid

Have another look at what you have written and then tell me again how you don’t try and force your fucked up religion on me and others. You are so indoctrinated by your religion, so used to forcing your beliefs upon others that you don’t even know when you are doing it.
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August 5, 2014 8:51pm
cricko

Ugly @ 7.52

Wrong again.

You say, ‘ abrogation is based on the principle of replacing with something better, not worse.’

So wrong.
So very, very wrong Ugly.
You need to pay attention.

It is actually based on replacing something earlier with something later.

That is enshrined in the koran itself, sura 8 text 2.106
You spelled it out yourself but you were just not able to understand it.
Read your own effort again @ 7.52 (then if you still can’t get it, read it again.)
Comprehension skills a bit rusty ?

Not been a good day for you muslim lovers has it babe ?

Hope that you get it now.
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August 5, 2014 8:54pm
nasska

….”All we ever do is correct people’s misperceptions when we see them.”…..

If only that were true & you limited the irritation to banging on about them. Alas, for some occult reason you must try to influence the state to force the foibles of your Skyfairy onto our lives via law.

There’s probably nothing terribly dangerous about your delusions but be a good chap……keep them private & between consenting adults. 🙂
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August 5, 2014 8:55pm
Rowan

Bigot Blouse
I don’t care what you believe in either blouse nor do I try to bible bash religion onto you or anyone else for that matter, that is up to the individual to choose their beliefs for themselves. Where have I ‘demanded’ that you give up your belief?
However I hate the way intolerant f…wits like you who judge others simply because they don’t agree with you.
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August 5, 2014 8:56pm
mikenmild

I always thought Saint David was your religion, Rowan.
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August 5, 2014 8:58pm
Nookin

“However I hate the way intolerant f…wits like you who judge others simply because they don’t agree with you”

I think this theme is going around in ever tightening circles and will soon disappear up someone’s orifice
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August 5, 2014 8:59pm
nasska

A Muslim wife is complaining to her husband.

“The romance has completely gone from our relationship” she moaned. “Once upon a time you were all over me and couldn’t wait to carry me up stairs. What’s happened?”

“Simple” the husband replied. “You’re not 11 any more.”
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August 5, 2014 9:00pm
Pete George

Possibly brought about by your own subconscious guilt over your Godless behaviour.

I think that might be the sort of thing bb was alluding to, being told you feel guilty without knowing it by some smugly superior being because perhaps that’s how they imagine they would feel.

Some people who haven’t been life long atheists obviously have no idea what it is like not living with a perpetual threat of damnation if you don’t tow the line of your chosen spiritual master.

It is easy to have self governed morals if you haven’t handed responsibility over to another authority.

You are so indoctrinated by your religion, so used to forcing your beliefs upon others that you don’t even know when you are doing it.

That's funny, something similar from the other side. Perhaps none of us know what we really think and need some stranger to tell us what we really feel.
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August 5, 2014 9:00pm
cricko

mikenmild says ‘Lame’

Why don’t you try and post a joke thats not ‘ lame’ you pathetic humourless article.

Have you ever posted a joke ? Doubt it, but you can correct me if I’m wrong.

All you are good for is criticising others, you saddo. Lighten up.

What a poor, sad life you must lead mikenmild.
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August 5, 2014 9:01pm
mikenmild

toe the line, Pete. It comes from boxing, I believe.

cricko
Why would I post a joke when I have all of your unintentionally funny comments to laugh at?
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August 5, 2014 9:02pm
UglyTruth

Ugly @ 7.52

Wrong again.

When was I wrong before?

You say, ‘ abrogation is based on the principle of replacing with something better, not worse.’

Yes.

So wrong.
So very, very wrong Ugly.
You need to pay attention.

Really?

It is actually based on replacing something earlier with something later.

In general it is, but not in Islam if it would result in the situation becoming worse.

That is enshrined in the koran itself, sura 8 text 2.106
You spelled it out yourself but you were just not able to understand it.

What part do you think I misunderstood?

We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Surah 2:106
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August 5, 2014 9:03pm
big bruv

Rowan

“I don’t care what you believe in either blouse”

How I wish that were true. Unless you practise some weird form of sky fairy following that I am yet to come across you are compelled by the book of instructions to spread the word.

Unless of course you are already having doubts, unless of course you cherry pick the bits from your book and leave out the really crazy bits, the bits that you know deep down are laughable (did you hear the one about the virgin birth?, that is a right cracker)
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August 5, 2014 9:04pm
ciaron

Some people who haven’t been life long atheists obviously have no idea what it is like not living with a perpetual threat of damnation if you don’t tow the line of your chosen spiritual master.

Actually Pete, anyone who takes Christ to be their Lord no longer lives with the “perpetual threat of damnation” but I think you already knew that.
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August 5, 2014 9:05pm
mikenmild

No longer lives with an imaginary threat might be more accurate.
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August 5, 2014 9:07pm
nasska

….”anyone who takes Christ to be their Lord no longer lives with the “perpetual threat of damnation”…..

Their priests usually whip them back into line should they stray from the flock ciaron.

A few whiffs of sulphur & the promise of & eternity filled with red hot pokers shoved up your quoit & you’re back to being good little Jerk for Jehovah. 🙂
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August 5, 2014 9:11pm
ciaron

Yeah, nah. not sure that’s biblical either nasska.
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August 5, 2014 9:13pm
cricko

OK Ugly, lets have a truce.

We can quote stuff at each other till the cows come home.
Nobody will win that way. We see things differently.
Good on you for batting hard for your point of view.

mikenmild,
I’m tempted to post another joke just to piss you off,
you poor sad humourless person.
Bye the way, have you ever heard a joke that you thought was funny ?
What was it ?
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August 5, 2014 9:20pm
Reid

You are so indoctrinated by your religion, so used to forcing your beliefs upon others that you don’t even know when you are doing it.

BB, it’s you who are indoctrinated.

What in my comment implied you would die in hell?

Nothing.

I imagination you’re hallucinating that my deliberate reference to your own guilt, which you feel, that I didn’t cause, is evidence, to you, that this is what I was saying.

Well newsflash mate, it’s your own hallucination that’s making you think that. See, if YOU didn’t have any guilt then YOU wouldn’t feel anything, which comes out as a j’accuse reaction against the person or entity which is making YOU feel guilty.

But this is like saying the pretty girl caused the attack on her, or whatever analogy you care to use, they are myriad, all pointing to the same phenomena.

Of course I don’t know for sure if you feel guilt or not, I took a guess and it appears to have paid off. But I’m not guilty for your guilt mate, it’s yours, wear it, live with it, like I said.
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August 5, 2014 9:20pm
mikenmild

cricko
Nasska’s joke was funny; your’s wasn’t. It’s a tricky thing, humour.
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August 5, 2014 9:22pm
Griff

The sky faerie squad are now in denial that they try to make us live up to their warped god addled morality.
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August 5, 2014 9:23pm
nasska

….” But I’m not guilty for your guilt mate, it’s yours, wear it, live with it, like I said.”…..

That’s a bit tough Reid…..you wish evil magic on our fellow traveller Big Bruv & then leave him stuck with it.

Have mercy! 🙂
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August 5, 2014 9:25pm
ciaron

Griff,
How on earth could I, or anyone else make you live up to “their warped god addled morality”
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August 5, 2014 9:27pm
UglyTruth

OK Ugly, lets have a truce.

Why? You said that I was wrong before, but couldn’t back it up.

You said that I misunderstood abrogration in Islam, but couldn’t say how that was so.

But I admit that my earlier statement that “abrogation is based on the principle of replacing with something better, not worse” was inaccurate. What I should have said was that “In Islam there is no abrogation if the situation would be made worse by it”.

If you want to continue to talk about Islam, fine. If you don’t want to then that’s OK as well.
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August 5, 2014 9:29pm
nasska

….”How on earth could I, or anyone else make you live up to “their warped god addled morality”…..

You could get a law banning abortion, keep euthanasia illegal & rescind the law permitting gay marriage.

That would be a good start in getting the rest of us on side with baby Jesus. 🙂
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August 5, 2014 9:32pm
Rowan

Bigot Blouse
There are some things in life that we cannot change and one of these is the beliefs of others, You seem to have decided that you are going to judge anyone who does not share your beliefs, I should feel sorry for you but you have made your own decision and that’s that. This just makes you a sad bitter twisted person but that’s your problem. I suggest you get a life arsehole!
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August 5, 2014 9:34pm
big bruv

Rowan.

Clearly you are not that secure in your religious beliefs. That is a good sign.
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August 5, 2014 9:39pm
jgw739

Scott Chris (5,904 comments) says:
August 5th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

I think I see what you are trying to say Scott but I’m not sure the analogy is accurate. The Government is not a gang, unless viewed from an anarchist point of view.

The 10 year old in question is actually quite capable of working things out, but like most people she needs all of the facts before being able to make a rational judgement. Simply saying the National is selling NZ to the Chinese is like Leonardo da Vinci just painting ol’ Mona’s chin.
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August 5, 2014 9:39pm
big bruv

Reid

Clearly you are not as smart as I had credited you as being. Oh well, I guess I will have to paint you a picture.

“Possibly brought about by your own subconscious guilt over your Godless behaviour.”

That quote of your Reid is exactly the type of religious arrogance and indoctrination I am talking about. You know that I am a non believer, you know that I am a person more aligned with science than I am with bronze age superstition yet your own religious arrogance will not allow you to consider anybody can have a differing opinion that does not include your god.

I am not the one tortured (as it appears you are) by any confusion as to the existence of your god. I side with science, I side with reason and I side with people who are not prepared to live in a “celestial North Korea”
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August 5, 2014 9:48pm
ciaron

@ nasska:I don’t think so, Tim
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August 5, 2014 9:51pm
Rowan

Assume whatever you like blouse, I really don’t give a shit.
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August 5, 2014 9:52pm
Reid

Yes I know you think that BB. That’s precisely why I included it in my original repost.

The whole point is I aren’t making you think that BB, you are making yourself think that, and I’m not responsible for that.

“Possibly brought about by your own subconscious guilt over your Godless behaviour.”

…is not saying that I think that you have it, it’s saying it’s a possible explanation for your reaction to all religious comments as someone pointing our your own crapulence. But your crapulence isn’t my problem, I didn’t cause it, I’m not responsible for it, and if you feel it, it’s not my fault, it’s your fault.

And evidently, you do feel it, so my guess was pretty much bang on, apparently.

Sorry about that.
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August 5, 2014 9:54pm
big bruv

Rowan

This is great, you really are starting to act and think like an atheist. Welcome aboard brother, welcome to a world of enlightenment and freedom, a world where you celebrate the one life we all have and not waste it in pointless servitude.

Well done man.
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August 5, 2014 9:55pm
big bruv

Reid

Man that is desperate, clearly you taking a hammering and feel that you have to resort to rubbish.

I suspect I have rocked your confidence in your god, well that is a good thing. Not what I intended to do of course as all I want is for arrogant idiots like you to leave me alone but hey, why look a gift horse in the mouth.
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August 5, 2014 9:59pm
Scott Chris

The Government is not a gang

Anyone care to disagree?

The 10 year old in question is actually quite capable of working things out, but like most people she needs all of the facts

‘Facts’ are cross references – the more the better imo
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August 5, 2014 11:54pm
Manolo

Free nappies and the madness of the Left:
Assembly Bill 1516, written by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, a Democrat from San Diego, would create the taxpayer-backed program within the state’s existing welfare network, called CalWORKs (California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids). Families that qualify for CalWORKS could be eligible for $80 a month to buy diapers for children under the age of 2.

“When you have an identifiable problem preventing women from self-sufficiency and there is an identifiable barrier, shouldn’t we help that along when we can?” Gonzalez said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/05/diaper-duty-for-california-taxpayers/
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