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ShawnLH

“its far more fun when its conseronutters nasska”

Conseronutters? 😉
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August 3, 2014 8:29pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7oirdavkum1i0l8/noatheist.gif
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August 3, 2014 8:30pm
ShawnLH

“Sheesh. What is it with the Israeli haters and the lisping?”

Yeah, that’s just bloody strange.

Brilliantly devastating response to Yowza Tom. Well said! 🙂
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August 3, 2014 8:30pm
Reid

I already know what kind of person you are. You have revealed that repeatedly here on KB. Just because you have friends who will say you are really a nice chap means nothing. Hitler had friends who would have said the same. So what?

No you don’t hammer boy. You have no idea. And neither does anyone else know the personality of anyone else here, simply by reading comments on a political blog.

But being a hammer boy, you wouldn’t of course process that distinction, your sanctimonious arrogance is too strong a barrier to overcome. I gave you a person who not only knows me well but has the capability to assess my Christian spirit because that’s one of the things vicars do, and you don’t want to take the incredibly easy for you opportunity of contacting her, why? You’d rather continue spewing bile? Seriously mate is that a Christian act?

I can just keep calling you out on your bigotry until you stop.

It’s only bigotry in your sanctimonious little mind, hammer boy. That doesn’t make it real.
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August 3, 2014 8:31pm
Johnboy

There could hardly be anymore frightening aliens in the outer reaches of the galaxy than the one’s you get to meet here every night Reid! 🙂
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August 3, 2014 8:34pm
ShawnLH

When I first came to NZ the official term for someone like me was ‘resident alien.’ 🙂

I swear I’m not green or grey and have never engaged in any anal probing. 🙂
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August 3, 2014 8:47pm
nasska

Lay off the crap & admit it Shawn.

You only stayed because of the probing. 🙂
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August 3, 2014 8:57pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zf06e5r19pxjyat/UT%2010.jpg
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August 3, 2014 8:59pm
Johnboy

LH…call home! 🙂
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August 3, 2014 8:59pm
ShawnLH

“You only stayed because of the probing.”

OK!!! STOP HARASSING ME!!! THEY TEMPTED ME WITH GERBILS!! WHAT WAS i SUPPOSED TO DO?? 🙁

Just don’t tell Johnboy, he’ll get all jealous and things will just get creepy. 🙂
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August 3, 2014 9:02pm
Reid

Jews like the Rotschilds being behind world evil is not a smart way to go

But they are Shawn. But who cares about that little truth, because the issue is your extrapolation of that allegation to a mindset you allege I hold, and it’s that extrapolation which is illogical in precisely the same way in which an extrapolation that people who criticise Israel for its actions are therefore anti-semitic, is illogical.

Thinking is about drawing distinctions and the answer, if the correct distinctions aren’t being drawn, is not to desist from raising the issues which cause in some people conflation, which is the remedy you’re suggesting I undertake.

I gave you data which if you were a Christian you would take up, to draw the relevant distinction instead of the conflation you have currently made, in respect of me and “neo-Nazi Jew hater.”

But you’ve told me you’re not interested. That’s fine, it doesn’t bother me because I love you just as I love everyone so of course I forgive you and I pray we’ll meet one day if not on Earth then in Heaven.

But part of loving people is to call bullshit when you see people doing it, and when you’re talking about murder and abuse, why loving those people is the hardest of the hard duties God has assigned to those of us who acknowledge and worship His holy presence and strive to obey and fulfil his Word on Earth.

So I won’t be desisting from the accusations I’ve made to date and will make in future, partly because of the former and partly because how do you know those allegations are not part of the fabric God has created to bring people to Him?

Why do you think people like Joseph Ehrlich spent thousands of hours of his time here doing precisely what I’m doing just in a much better, more God focused and more erudite way? I told you about him the other day, but I bet you haven’t even looked him up, have you.

What strikes me is the particular accusation you so casually throw against a fellow Christian is definitely one which I would have thought was worth asking your wife to make a single phone call about. But apparently, you’re not interested in doing even that small thing, when accusing a brother. What does the bible tell you about that, Shawn?
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August 3, 2014 9:03pm
Southern Raider

ISIS has just taken over 4 oil fields and several Kurdish towns. Silence is deafening from UN, MSM etc
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August 3, 2014 9:06pm
ShawnLH

Reid, if you cannot even take a little responsibility for the likely effect of your words and claims then blaming me is pointless. I don’t make you say the things you do in the way you do.
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August 3, 2014 9:06pm
Southern Raider

Shawn I’m completely confused.

Reid states his issue is with Israel, but then in following posts calls the Rothchilds satanists, that Jews deface their own graves etc.

He may have a vicar willing to back him though it doesn’t say much as there were many Protestant leaders who stood back and supported the Nazis
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August 3, 2014 9:14pm
Reid

Reid states his issue is with Israel, but then in following posts calls the Rothchilds satanists, that Jews deface their own graves etc.

All of which is true SR.

And my issue is with the Israeli leadership. Which as I’ve repeatedly stated does things against the best interests of the Israeli people. Therefore, I’m actually for the Israeli people.

Sorry if that causes a short circuit in the cognitive dissonance dept, but that’s what I’ve always said and that’s the logical conclusion of what I’ve always said.

Isn’t it.

if you cannot even take a little responsibility for the likely effect of your words and claims then blaming me is pointless. I don’t make you say the things you do in the way you do.

I’m not blaming you at all for the effects of the things I say Shawn. Why would you hallucinate that’s what I’m doing? I’m telling you I’m not who you constantly allege I am, and since it’s a falsehood, I would expect you, as a Christian, to seek correction. Apparently, you’re unwilling to do that. I’m not that surprised, but I imagine God is a bit disappointed in you.
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August 3, 2014 9:20pm
ShawnLH

@ Southern Raider

“Reid states his issue is with Israel, but then in following posts calls the Rothchilds satanists, that Jews deface their own graves etc.”

I know. I have tried to point this out to him numerous times, but he just gets defensive and digs in. But you are right, he slips from Zionists to Jews now and then and at that point it is obvious that he is engaging in prejudice against Jews in general. The bit about Jews desecrating their own graves is pure bigotry, and anyone actually familiar with Judaism and Jewish culture knows that no Jew would ever desecrate a grave, let alone their own.

I seriously doubt, in fact I know, that the Vicar in question would back what he says on KB. She might be willing to say that in her experience with him he’s generally a nice chap, but I suspect she would be horrified at what he says here.

And despite what Reid thinks, being a nice chap in everyday life does not excuse what he says here.
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August 3, 2014 9:21pm
ShawnLH

Reid,

Cognitive dissonance is claiming you have no prejudice against Jews, and then claiming that Jews would desecrate graves.

Your deluding yourself about your own prejudice.
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August 3, 2014 9:27pm
Johnboy

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=shawn+the+prawn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yADeU6jJI9OE8gXszIK4BQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=633#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=GAY6WeLP60cq1M%253A%3B_9b6fEAj8CC0qM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hukaprawnpark.co.nz%252Fimg%252Fsidebar%252FHPRAWN039.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hukaprawnpark.co.nz%252Fshawn-the-prawn%3B185%3B278

Creepy dude! 🙂
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August 3, 2014 9:31pm
tom hunter

Tom. Well said!

Yes, well thanks Shawn, but I must say that I’m always amazed at the complete and utter lack of shame that the likes of Yoza exhibit. Chutzpah does not even come close to describing this.

I’m always left wondering whether he and his ilk really fail to realise how tin-eared they sound with such relentless “on-message” propagandising (of a degree that John Key can only admire) – or whether he really is so obtuse that he thinks that people believe this red-faced, finger-wagging outrage coming from the likes of him, along with all the boilerplate language: ruthless, genocidal, concentration camp, sinister, yada, yada, yada.

He’d do better by at least acknowledging the blind spots of the coffee-house commissars, instead of bleating about how belonging to some quantum slice variation of Marxism/Proudhonism/Bakuninism/ etc somehow insulates him from all the actual marxist shit that always happens. I can excuse an anarchist like Rosa Luxemburg because how was she to know that Marxist-Lennism would turn as evil as it did – but guys like Yoza seem to truly believe that he can get away with this approach today.

Moreover such a ideologue should actually be more angry and vituperative against the likes of Cuba and Venuzuela than I am, for once again betraying the principles he claims to hold. But instead he defends them every chance he gets, usually using their own propaganda. It’s stuff like that’s convinced me that Yoza is actually just another old communist, using the claims of libertarian socialism as a front.

It’s like watching some ancient Soviet documentary from the 1930’s or some hare-brained 60’s twit ranting about “The Man”. The ideas, the morally outraged stance, and especially the language and the relentless half-truth soundbites – it’s all so utterly dated and pathetic. You’d think the sad, tiny numbers who join with him would make him re-think at least his approach but no, he just robotically plows on and phones it in.
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August 3, 2014 9:37pm
nasska

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all equally valid, but one thing breaks the tie in favour of Christianity:

Grilled cheese with bacon.
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August 3, 2014 9:39pm
Reid

Cognitive dissonance is claiming you have no prejudice against Jews, and then claiming that Jews would desecrate graves.

Grave desecration is a well known propaganda technique used to gain sympathy for their cause and it happens in places and times where they think they need to gather sympathy.

If you don’t know that then you know nothing about how zionists operate which means you’re not only you’re arrogant but you’re an arrogant idiot. Which explains precisely your position.

Naturally this information doesn’t feature on Fox News which explains your ignorance, if not your arrogance.

A possible example of this happened in NZ, during the Mossad agent trial. If I recall correctly no-one has ever been prosecuted for that heinous crime, or have they. In case you hallucinate, there are thousands of examples. Just look for a case where zionists were in danger of looking bad in public and bingo. No I’m not going to give you one. That’s your homework, not mine. This is because it’s your ignorance, not mine.
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August 3, 2014 9:40pm
ShawnLH

” It’s stuff like that’s convinced me that Yoza is actually just another old communist, using the claims of libertarian socialism as a front.”

I don’t take his claim to being a left wing anarchist remotely seriously. That claim sunk the day he said he was voting for MANA. Leftists who claim that they are anarchists, and then intend on voting, let alone voting for a strongly pro big government party, are obviously trying to have their cake and eat it too.

While there are no doubt people who are seriously libertarian socialists, I think the current popularity of it amongst leftist radicals is really just a fashion statement, rather than a reality.
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August 3, 2014 9:47pm
ShawnLH

“Grave desecration is a well known propaganda technique used to gain sympathy for their cause and it happens in places and times where they think they need to gather sympathy.”

That is Jew hatred Reid, and it’s also total bollocks.
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August 3, 2014 9:48pm
Johnboy

Pleased to see you chaps are playing nicely now so I’ll pop off to bed so I can arise refreshed in the morning to carry on contributing to Bill English’s economic recovery! 🙂
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August 3, 2014 9:51pm
Gulag1917

The late South African journalist, Ivor Benson, once wrote that he followed/studied the New York Times for over thirty years to gauge what the ‘news slant’ of the MSM journalists would be – and sure enough, he saw time and time again, they had received their orders.
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August 3, 2014 9:54pm
ShawnLH

“and sure enough, he saw time and time again, they had received their orders.”

From?
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August 3, 2014 9:58pm
Southern Raider

The King of Saudi has just broadcast a 5 min speech slamming Hamas. He never mentioned a single concession that Israel needs to make. It was all about how Hamas is destroying the Palestinian people.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/02/Saudi-King-Publicly-Blames-Hamas-for-Gaza-War/
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August 3, 2014 10:13pm
Gulag1917

“and sure enough, he saw time and time again, they had received their orders.”
Use your imagination.
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August 3, 2014 10:19pm
Yoza

ShawnLH (3,661 comments) says:
August 3rd, 2014 at 7:57 pm

@ Yowza

[Yoza]“Saying I am a Jew hater, because I think what Israel is doing in Gaza and the occupied territories amounts to crimes against humanity, is testament to what a nasty little fool you actually are.”

Lying that you are really, really concerned about crimes against humanity when the only ones you ever mention are, supposedly, committed by Israel is testament to what a dishonest liar you are.

Terrible crimes, much worse than anything Israel might have done, have been committed by Muslims over the lest ten years. Yet you never mention those, or the crimes being committed right now by other countries.

The Syrian government has committed a long history of horrific crimes against its own countrymen, there is little need to spend much time commenting on such crimes as they are celebrated in the Western media. I would agree with the assessment of the Syrian regime, they are vicious bastards. Similarly ISIS is carrying out large scale crimes that defy comprehension, again, I do not disagree with the condemnation that is heaped on these terrorists.
Always keep in mind that these terrorists did not drop out of a vacuum, they are one of the consequences of the US invasion of Iraq, which resulted in something like 4 million internally displaced people – a great many fleeing to Syria. By 2010 Syria was struggling with food security as drought devastated their crops. The insurgency, which was launched out of desperation, seems to have been hijacked by the West and a pretty extreme brand of fundamentalist Islam, both of whom only pay lip service to those they claim to be saving.

I don’t disagree that the likes of the Syrian government, the Iraqi government or ISIS can be vicious sadists, but it is sadly predictable that those who can so easily see the crimes committed by these entities are blind when the US and Israeli military indulge in similar acts of terror.

It is your’s and others’ racially inspired blindness that is the problem, Shawn, I don’t have a problem recognising acts of terror carried out by Muslims, you are the one who will not see the crimes carried out by whites.

You have also on two occasions tried to rehabilitate the image Soviet Union, an entity guilty of vastly greater crimes than anything Israel has done.

I always consider the Soviet Union to be an authoritarian nightmare, you would have to remind me how I am supposed to have ‘rehabilitated’ them.

There is no moral argument which sanitizes the atrocities committed by HAMAS, yet you excuse them.

Hamas are a resistance group struggling with the military occupation of their country by foreign invaders.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. “ – David Ben-Gurion

There is no moral argument that sanitizes the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union, yet you excuse them.

Again, once they were at war with the invading German military machine all thoughts of humanity went out the window. Russians were regarded as a subspecies then and little has changed in the intervening decades. Reading Western commentary, Russians are disobedient subjects of their ‘civilised’ Western masters. Things were going swimmingly while Yeltsin was dishing out Russian resources to Western corporations looting the country, something like $2billion was being stripped out of the country every day. Then along came Putin.

It turns out the problem is not the atrocities of the Soviet Union or Putin’s wickedness, the problem is a Russia which isn’t subordinate to Western corporate interests. The reason it is so rare to hear of Saudi atrocities is because the Saudis are an obedient component of Western corporate dominance.

So, given these blatant double standards the only reasonable conclusion is that your biased for some reason.

Gee, I wonder what that could be?

Simple Shawn, I don’t like baby killers.

Oh and by the way, you have your facts wrong. Sadam was put in power by the Soviet Union and his military funded and armed by them. Your comrades in action eh Yowza.

I am aware of the Soviet Union’s involvement in Iraq, I don’t see how that excuses US complicity in Saddam’s chemical weapons attacks against civilian populations:

But the CIA documents, which sat almost entirely unnoticed in a trove of declassified material at the National Archives in College Park, Md., combined with exclusive interviews with former intelligence officials, reveal new details about the depth of the United States’ knowledge of how and when Iraq employed the deadly agents. They show that senior U.S. officials were being regularly informed about the scale of the nerve gas attacks. They are tantamount to an official American admission of complicity in some of the most gruesome chemical weapons attacks ever launched.

tom hunter (4,440 comments) says:
August 3rd, 2014 at 8:24 pm

[Yoza]“Only a nut like Tomithy ….”

Sheesh. What is it with the Israeli haters and the lisping?

Anyhoo, I long ago read the de-classified CIA files referred to in your link and to say the least it’s a lot more nuanced than you allow, as always is the case with your hysterical boilerplate language.

You were having a bit of a laugh about chemical weapons attacks on civilian populations Tommy, all I did was pull you up on your arrogance and copy and paste a reminder, from a conservative publication, the history you were attempting to fob off.

It’s certainly more nuanced than the fact that it was the USSR that armed Saddam to the teeth and kept him re-supplied during the Iran-Iraq conflict. Yet during that time not a word against the USSR was heard from the Yoza’s of the West. No protests in front of Soviet embassies, the pages of Z Magazine, The Nation, and Mother Jones devoid of angry, passionate attacks by caring left-wingers on the USSR for it’s full-blown support of such slaughter. Nothing.

Isn’t it odd that US complicity in crimes against humanity always invite the word ‘nuanced’. Yeah, sure – fuck the USSR and its support for Saddam, it does not diminish the crimes in which the US was complicit.
My god, but you are a boring man.
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August 3, 2014 10:19pm
ShawnLH

“Use your imagination.”

You mean Jews don’t you Gulag.
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August 3, 2014 10:23pm
ShawnLH

Give it up Yowza. Tom nailed your hypocrisy and double standards.

As to not liking baby killers, you seem fine about them if they are Communist regimes doing the killing.

You’re a Jew hater, plain and simple.
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August 3, 2014 10:25pm
Gulag1917

I did not mean Jews
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August 3, 2014 10:27pm
ShawnLH

My mistake Gulag.

Who did you mean just out of curiosity?
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August 3, 2014 10:31pm
Gulag1917

I am sure lots of people here can work that out.
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August 3, 2014 10:35pm
ShawnLH

Ok whatever Gulag.
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August 3, 2014 10:37pm
tom hunter

You were having a bit of a laugh about …

… Far Lefters so desperate to nail the USA about Saddam that his pathetic actions in trying to turn crop-dusting helicopters into Chemical Warfare vehicles resulted in the Far Left calling them “attack helicopters”, in the desperate hope that nobody would look into the details too closely.

That sort of flop-sweat argument is seriously funny.

My god, but you are a boring man.

You’re projecting again. Your pose was fresh in the 1900’s, maybe even the 1930’s. But thanks for condemning the USSR’s support of Saddam – decades late and one sentence out of the thousands directed at the USA over the same issue – but baby steps.
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August 3, 2014 10:40pm
Nostradamus

Tom Hunter:

Two words: why bother?

Take it as a rhetorical question if you like…
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August 3, 2014 10:43pm
Ryan Sproull

I don’t take his claim to being a left wing anarchist remotely seriously. That claim sunk the day he said he was voting for MANA. Leftists who claim that they are anarchists, and then intend on voting, let alone voting for a strongly pro big government party, are obviously trying to have their cake and eat it too.

While there are no doubt people who are seriously libertarian socialists, I think the current popularity of it amongst leftist radicals is really just a fashion statement, rather than a reality.

Hey now.

I’m many things, but I have never, to my knowledge, been fashionable.
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August 3, 2014 10:44pm
ShawnLH

Nobody was accusing you personally of being fashionable Ryan. 😉
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August 3, 2014 10:47pm
Ryan Sproull

Well, thank God for that.

Though, you know, style never goes out of fashion.
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August 3, 2014 10:47pm
Gulag1917

I’m ten – I’m not terrorist – don’t kill me
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e4a_1405331536&comments=1
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August 3, 2014 10:53pm
tom hunter

Two words: why bother?

Fair point. I no longer bother with some of the usual nutters on here but Yoza is relatively fresh meat – and fun too! Do you know that he actually looked up a quote of mine from The Right Stuff months ago, for which I had given no links, just so he could lambast my “glorifying militarism”.

I thought that was pretty cool!

Well I laughed anyway!
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August 3, 2014 10:54pm
ShawnLH

“I’m ten – I’m not terrorist – don’t kill me”

Yup, thats sad. A victim of HAMAS’s reign of terror over Gaza.
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August 3, 2014 10:58pm
Gulag1917

Typical callous remark from a member of the Christian right who are obsessed with Israel.
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August 3, 2014 11:00pm
ShawnLH

Not callous at all Gulag. It’s horrifying that innocent people have been put in harms way by HAMAS’s actions.
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August 3, 2014 11:05pm
ShawnLH

“he actually looked up a quote of mine from The Right Stuff months ago, for which I had given no links, just so he could lambast my “glorifying militarism”.”

So what exactly does Yowza think those military parades in Red Square were about?
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August 3, 2014 11:08pm
Nostradamus

Tom Hunter:

Goodness – did Yoza really single you out for one of his special research projects?

It seems reasonable to assume that Yoza, with his collectivist view of the world, has at least two guiding principles: “you’re either with us, or you’re against us” and (for those who happen to fall into the latter category) “know your enemy”. No doubt Yoza has other guiding principles – perhaps he could enlighten us.

I would say, though, that Yoza recently moved from toe-in-the-water to knee-deep as far as the “know your enemy” guiding principle is concerned. By way of example, he invited David Garrett to join him for, well, who knows what exactly:

I live in [redacted], Wellington. You are welcome to turn up here anytime you like, sunshine.

Unfortunately, at least from David’s perspective, it seems that a cup of tea wasn’t part of the deal.
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August 3, 2014 11:11pm
Gulag1917

Gilad Sharon, the son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the Jerusalem Post in 2012:
“We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.
“There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.”
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/12658-israeli-media-calls-for-gaza-to-be-sent-back-to-the-qstone-ageq-
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August 3, 2014 11:18pm
ShawnLH

Hamas in Their Own Words

Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011

“We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood…We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs.”

Sermon delivered by ‘Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI

“Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him.

“The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

“Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

“The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth.”

Statement from Hamas Ministry of Refugee Affairs on U.N. Relief and Works Agency plan to include Holocaust education in the curriculum taught Palestinian refugees, February 28, 2011

“We cannot agree to a programme that is intended to poison the minds of our children…Holocaust studies in refugee camps is a contemptible plot and serves the Zionist entity with a goal of creating a reality and telling stories in order to justify acts of slaughter against the Palestinian people.”

http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/muslim-arab-world/c/hamas-in-their-own-words.html
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August 3, 2014 11:23pm
tom hunter

did Yoza really single you out for one of his special research projects?

Oh yes, the next day. I was quite impressed actually – given how boring I am 😉

So what exactly does Yowza think those military parades in Red Square were about?

Spiffy uniforms?

Anyway, all you need to know is that they had nothing to do with his ideology Shawn – nothing – and anyway they only existed because of that nasty old US military industrial complex that none other than President Eisenhower first named, so lets talk about nothing but that.
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August 3, 2014 11:27pm
Gulag1917

The sad thing in this situation that one group demonises the other group and both can be as bad as each other. The propaganda takes a bit of deciphering. Hamas was reputedly started by Israel so what kind of drama is being played out.
I spoke to an Israeli a few years ago about hundreds of rockets landing in Israel. He seem quite undisturbed by the situation and he was a member of the Israeli defence. He seemed to indicate that the situation was far from bad as the media were indicating and Israel had the situation under control. Israel tactically is trying to eliminate any information getting out of Gaza by wiping out for example electricity plants. If Gaza is flattened there will be at least thousands dead with very few Israelis dead.
The Christian right suffers from tunnel vision and pretty limited theology.
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August 3, 2014 11:38pm
Yoza

I wonder about people like Tom and Shawn who take that old style US/Israeli white supremacy really seriously. At what point do the victims of US or Israeli terror just give up and accept their status as ‘unpeople’, beings delegated to serve as fodder for the glorious arms industry?

How is it that no matter how many of these subhumans are exterminated by the US/Israeli security apparatus more and more keep popping up to replace them?

Why does the mass murder of defenseless civilians in Gaza, Afghanistan, Yemen and Iraq
attract disapproval from growing numbers of people in the Western world?

Is it possible, Tom and Shawn, that the particular blend of white supremacy, of which you are both so proud, is going down the same path as the blend of white supremacy that underpinned the apartheid regime in South Africa?
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August 4, 2014 12:25am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Is New Zealand going to lose the Netball at the Commonwealth Games?
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August 4, 2014 12:27am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Yep. Sad.
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August 4, 2014 1:16am
Gulag1917

I thought people had moved on from ” my country right or wrong” so the World War One mentality still remains.
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Yes, if you claim that you backed Aussie then you can come back to this site and say you won $20K.
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