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August 28, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Fletch

Oh dear!

Sorry if this has been commented (as it is 2 days old) but I have just seen it.

Paul Henry’s youngest daughter asked some questions about NZ politics on his show.
See what she answers in regard to Whale Oil 😆

http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/paulhenryshow/political-opinions-of-your-average-kiwi—bella-2014082600?ref=video
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August 28, 2014 11:03am
OneTrack

Pete George – “What are your views on it? For example do you think it’s an example of entrenched (not universal) male views that degrade women as sexual objects who can be used and abused?”

No, I think it is just another example of left-wing KDS.
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August 28, 2014 11:03am
dime

“Statistics suggest it is a bigger problem than with a tiny percentage of scumbags.”

Really? What percentage of blokes do you think rape?

5%? say we have 2,500,000 males in the country.. 120,000 of them are rapists? either now or in the future?

“And had you thought that raping scumbags could be encouraged to remain raping scumbags because a bigger number of men (and women) make excuses for rape-like behaviour and put most responsibility and blame on victims?”

we must run in different circles. i dont think i have ever heard a mate of mine say “she deserved it”.

i think its more of “what was she thinking?” eg passing out drunk at a gang HQ and getting raped. that isnt saying the rapists arent to blame and dont deserve to be dealt to with the full force of the law.
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August 28, 2014 11:13am
dime

PG – say you left your wallet on a table at the local food court. its full of cash.

you do this 1000 times. 999 times the wallet is returned to you.

on the 1000th time, someone pockets the cash.

would that mean we have a thieving culture?

what if, the person gets caught and successfully prosecuted, but your mate goes – geez pete, that was a bit silly of you. is that mate condoning the thieving culture?

i think half the problem is using the word blame. the people i hang with dont blame rape victims.. but in some cases they could have done more to keep themselves safe.
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August 28, 2014 11:18am
Don the Kiwi

david (2,552 comments) says:
August 28th, 2014 at 10:58 am
Grumpy, how does your career as an animal doctor equip you particularly to comment on firearm matters?

david.

I’m sure grumpy means he is a Vet-eran (military) not an animal vet.
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August 28, 2014 11:22am
Redbaiter

National govt record payout to TOW claimants. $1.2 BILLION over six years. All settlements from 1989 total $2.7 billion.

http://www.nzcpr.com/key-govts-1-2b-treaty-settlements-record/
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August 28, 2014 11:36am
wiseowl

As Mike says Red , an ‘expensive mistake’.

Never ceases to amaze me how politicians don’t appear to have the guts to read the historical details that are now so freely available and so enlightening.
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August 28, 2014 11:54am
NK

http://www.act.org.nz/post/colincraig
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August 28, 2014 12:09pm
kowtow

Rape culture. If our courts sentenced dangerous criminals properly they woud not be out on parole to rape, murder and rob .

This guy has just been given 21 years.He was on parole.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10431938/Murderer-Aaron-McDonald-is-jailed-for-21-years
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August 28, 2014 12:14pm
Other_Andy

What is with all the Global Warming ™ cr@p in the paper in the last few days?
Oh wait, the grand-whoring climate ‘scientists’ have another ‘it is the end of the world ‘meeting in Auckland. That lot is worse than the Jehovah Witnesses.

The MSM just keeps on printing the same rubbish they spout year after year.

Climate change poses a growing health threat, experts warn

Malaria, which currently kills 800,000 people annually, most of them African children under the age of five, could claim an extra 60,000 lives per year.
It is strongly influenced by climate change, with studies showing that warming enables the mosquitoes that spread it to flourish at more northerly and southerly latitudes and ever-higher altitudes.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11315534

It is essentially the same garbage as in 2001 when the University of Florida speculated that global warming would increase ranges, and thus the range of mosquito borne disease.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-07/uof-uss071201.php

Or the NPR in 2002 , with ‘Is Global Warming Nurturing Parasites?’.
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/june/warming/

Or the Science Daily in 2006 with Warming Trend May Contribute To Malaria’s Rise.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322142101.htm

But………

“…Studies predicting that warmer climates will increase malaria infections commonly assume that the disease-causing parasites will develop faster and that the ability of the mosquito to acquire, maintain and transmit the pathogen will remain constant. They conclude that as temperature rises, mosquitoes become infectious quicker and therefore malaria transmission increases.
But the latest study shows that temperature has a more complex effect. As temperature rises, parasites do develop faster, but fewer of them become infectious.”

http://www.nature.com/news/global-warming-wilts-malaria-1.9695

This apart from the fact that, according to the RSS dataset, there has been NO warming for about 17 years.
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August 28, 2014 12:14pm
Griff

This apart from the fact that, according to the RSS dataset, there has been NO warming for about 17 year
Ignore all the actual thermometer based records because you dont like the facts.

Other Andy do you have a faith in climate pixies?
how else do you explain that the RSS data set shows the earth is radiating far less into space.
C14 http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
The trend for the upper stratosphere is -.762K a decade
Or is that another inconvenient fact you chose to ignore.
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August 28, 2014 12:22pm
deadrightkev

“National govt record payout to TOW claimants. $1.2 BILLION over six years. All settlements from 1989 total $2.7 billion.”

Red, that is way below the total since 1985 when the TOW Amendment Act was legislated. As Mike Butler has itemised the direct and indirect privilege and its now around $1.5 billion per annum total going to Maori. No wonder they have a 37 billion economy.

Ngai Tahu and Tainui had full and final settlements for 300,000 pound in circa 1945. Both are still waiting for the ratchet clause to kick in so they can collect even more so they are in no hurry.

National and Labour have been complicit in allowing the Waitangi Tribunal to fleece taxpayers for decades. It is one of the biggest single unaddressed issues we face and it is only going to get worse.
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August 28, 2014 12:29pm
Judith

@ graham (2,279 comments) says:
August 28th, 2014 at 11:01 am

That example was given purely to point out that a culture exists in a form other than a ‘solid object’.

Using that example again, you cannot normally tell, just by walking down the street, who is a member of the ‘god believing’ culture, and who isn’t. Whilst some might believe there is a God, they may not be a member of any particular religion and so on.

With the ‘rape culture’, you asked for identification of who the members of that culture are. Again, it is not possible to identify them purely by looks or even behaviours, but only by examining their beliefs, can you determine whether they are a member of that culture or not. I would say, that it is a culture that many would not even realise they are a part of. In that, they do not realise that their beliefs actually minimise the crime of rape, or even reject it. As an example, someone saying that a young woman wearing a see through dress is just ‘asking for it’. Which could be interpreted as having the belief that if she was raped, its her own fault for wearing a see through dress. That person might find rape an abhorrent act, and yet fail to see that their belief actually supports it in some circumstances.
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August 28, 2014 12:41pm
Rufus

Dime 11:13 11:18 – good point.

Research shows teachers have about the same rate of abuse against children as Catholic priests.

Pete is rather silent on this.
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August 28, 2014 12:44pm
Rufus

Kowtow 10:26

Re: the prolonged and systematic abuse of children in Rotherham, and the coverup by local authorities, especially the Police, the agency people expect and trust to protect society from monsters like these…

If these men were white Catholic priests, the liberal outrage machine would spin for years.

Instead we have an eerie silence…
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August 28, 2014 12:47pm
Judith

@ NK (1,123 comments) says:
August 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

Excellent article. I am strongly opposed to binding referenda for the reasons pointed out. Whilst I accept that government represents the people, it must also be allowed to operate, which means at times, it must enforce legislation that not all will agree with.

The example I frequently use is paying income tax. None of us want to pay it. Many of us, but not the majority understand that it is a necessity – a lot do not understand the balance required and so if presented with a referendum that states “should paying tax be voluntary”, they may just be silly enough to agree – and cripple the government.

There should always be room for referenda in society, but only when they are of such quality that they represent reality, rather than poorly worded documents that only a minority agree with. Such referenda should rightfully be able to be ignored. Of course whether ignoring it was the right thing to do, or not, would be indicated at the next general election.
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August 28, 2014 12:50pm
ciaron

For a philosopher, Mr Whyte sure slays those strawmen…
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August 28, 2014 12:58pm
Rufus

Ciaron – bizarre huh?

I don’t remember any official political website in NZ ever posting such a direct criticism against the competition. Maybe I don’t get out much, but it seems Jamie’s afraid / pissed. Maybe both.
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August 28, 2014 1:12pm
graham

Juidth, what I am asking is for Pete – who has been posting about “rape culture” and discussing it for at least 17 months – to clarify some his basic tenets concerning “rape culture”. Pete obviously feels very strongly about it; therefore I would imagine that in 17 months he has taken the time to consider what the term means TO HIM (not what it means to other people), whether we do indeed have such a culture in New Zealand, how widespread it is, who it applies to, who it DOESN’T apply to, who is responsible and in what way, and so on.

Frankly, I find it quite stunning that someone who posts frequently on the subject of rape culture, has posted countless examples of what he considers to be “rape culture”, has accused several other people of demonstrating rape culture behaviour, opines that rape culture has been embedded in our culture for so long many (men especially) aren’t even aware of it (but it still exists), has stated that possibly a majority of men aid rape culture … can not even explain the term rape culture or provide a definition that he agrees with.
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August 28, 2014 1:15pm
hj

“The media should stop mocking Craig’s loopy ideas about “chem-trails” and the American moon landings being faked and instead examine his much more radical political ideas,” said Dr Whyte.
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Steven Franks says that was taken out of context., on The Panel.
I agree with David Round.

Binding referendums are often criticised on the ground that voters can thereby demand the impossible; can demand, for example ~ the Californian example again ~ both that taxes be reduced and that government expenditure be increased. This is a good point. Chaos can ensue if the impossible is demanded. In fairness, though, elected governments, just as much as citizens in referendums, can live beyond their means, ‘borrow and hope’, and generally do stupid things; the phenomenon is not restricted merely to decisions of the feckless people. Let us be careful to avoid snobbery here. Are we democrats or are we not? I am not automatically convinced that our increasingly narrow and self-focussed political class necessarily knows any better than citizen voters; when it comes to the general shape of policy, at least.

A second reply is that it is not just California that has binding referendums written into its state constitution. A moment’s research ~ let your fingers do the walking! ~ will reveal that many very respectable European countries have some provision in their constitutions for referendums. Switzerland, in particular, has binding referendums at the national, cantonal and municipal level. I omit the fascinating details; the point I am making here is that Switzerland is a prosperous, well-governed and sensible country where the availability of binding referendums has not led to disaster. When used by responsible and thoughtful citizens, binding referendums can enhance both good government and human happiness, since politicians are readier to be reasonable if they are aware that a referendum might follow unwise decisions, and citizens are happier knowing that their direct participation in government is useful and important and always available.

Bear in mind, too, that underlying the criticism that voters will make ill-informed and impractical decisions is the unspoken fear that voters will just reject the policies of the politically-correct ruling liberal caste. The fear is that if you give the common people referendums they will only do what the Swiss did and vote against mosques having minarets. I am afraid I do not see why the decision should not be the people’s.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/david-round-democracy.html
I mean wouldn’t it be terrible if it threatened Harcourt’s Shanghai Op’s?
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August 28, 2014 1:21pm
flipper

Heh ANDY (other)……

Good stuff.

As always, they talk bullshit on malaria.
I will bet that the invitees did not include the world’s foremost expert on malaria, Prof. Paul Reiter at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Paul Reiter, incidentally, is an Englishman, and a very approachable, and patient fellow – especially if questions are posed “with clean hands”, information sought, and comments are devoid of idiotic links to papers by dummies.
He always responds to polite requests, and can be reached by email at:

Paul Reiter (preiter@pasteur.fr)
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August 28, 2014 1:24pm
Pete George

graham – as I’ve said a number of times it’s complex and can’t simply be defined, especially when you try to determine who is responsible (we are all responsible for the quality of our society as a whole but offenders are responsible for their own actions), but this looks like a good attempt to explain it:
http://thewireless.co.nz/blogs/static/what-is-rape-culture
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August 28, 2014 1:27pm
kowtow

rufus

Catholic priests?
That’s the point of the other posts on PCness ,it all ties in. Trelise Cooper attacked for racist Indian headggear and this year a few other fashion types too ,same thing. Thr Redskins football team controversy as well as Stering who was forced to sell his basketbll team.

Andrew Bolt in Australia ,convicted for racially offensive speech!

The PC brigade have succeeded in criminalising speech in a number of formerly western liberal democracies. And where it is not criminal the media ,politicians ,academics etc are shutting down debate using race hate as the excuse.

But when it comes to a traditionally western institution or imagery then we are fair game. Think Virgin in a condom as oppossed to Mohamed cartoons.Virgin was cited as a case of free speech and was allowed in what is pretended to be a museum of the people of New Zealand. I can’t imagine them allowing a Mohamed in a Ham Sandwich! In fact there is no way they would “give offence” to that lot.But to Christians? That’s a human right.

Stop being sorry for being white or male or middle class or successful.Our rights are being slowly but surely eroded.Every apology is another nail in the coffin.
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August 28, 2014 1:32pm
Fletch

Research shows teachers have about the same rate of abuse against children as Catholic priests.

Actually, according to a report by Carol Shakeshaft commissioned by the U.S Dept of Education, abuse by teachers is likely 100 times worse than that of priests.

[…] according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charol_Shakeshaft
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August 28, 2014 1:33pm
dime

PG – i think i get it.

Rape Culture is like the force:

“It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”

lets be honest, rape culture is something made up by femnazis. they will throw it around to get whatever law changes they want, whatever extra funding they want.

Rape Culture = bullshit
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August 28, 2014 1:36pm
kowtow

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/heidi-klum-facing-racism-backlash-over-her-promotion-of-redface-native-americanthemed-germanys-next-top-model-shoot-9251080.html
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August 28, 2014 1:37pm
kowtow

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/leftists-enraged-over-robin-williams-emmy-tribute-including-racist-joke-about-oppression-of-muslim-women
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August 28, 2014 1:37pm
graham

Pete George at 1:27 pm

… this looks like a good attempt to explain it:
http://thewireless.co.nz/blogs/static/what-is-rape-culture

Well that’s a starting point, providing a link to an explanation. Now here comes the hard question Pete:

Do you agree with it? All of it, some of it, parts of it, none of it?
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August 28, 2014 1:38pm
jackinabox

I see Hamas and world opinion won the war. Israel has had to lift the blockade and extend the fishing zone. A few more rockets should see the Gaza air and sea ports open and humming. What was Israel’s justification for the blockade again?
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August 28, 2014 1:41pm
James Stephenson

This one popped out at me from the Harold’s article on Len Brown’s plan to rate everyone in central Auckland out of their properties so he can cover the isthmus in concrete blocks:

“Aucklanders keep telling me…fix the transport.”

That’s certainly the most creative re-interpretation of “fuck off” that I’ve ever seen.
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August 28, 2014 1:46pm
Pete George

Graham – it’s far from comprehensive and I don’t agree with some parts of it but in general I agree with what they are saying.

Do you agree with it? All of it, some of it, parts of it, none of it?

Something I mat have missed you responding to – do you think what was expressed in the the @ clean on violence and sex an isolated example? Or a symptom of wider attitude problems?
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August 28, 2014 1:51pm
Lindsay Addie

Latest NZ Herald Digipoll:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11315586

National 50.7 (up 0.7)
Labour 24.1 (down 1.1)
Greens 11.4 (down 2.3)
NZ First 5 (up 0.7)
Maori Party 1 (up 0.3)
Internet Mana 3.4 (up 1.3)
Conservatives 3.3 (up 0.7)
Act 0.3 (down 0.3)
United Future 0.2 (down 0.2)
PREFERRED PRIME MINISTER (compared with last week)
John Key 67.8 (up 3)
David Cunliffe 11.6 (down 2.8)
Winston Peters 8.2 (up 3.1)
Russel Norman 3.8 (up 0.3)

Not good news for the Labourites and DC.
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August 28, 2014 1:59pm
Rufus

Kowtow – I’m not apologising. I just see Pete George betting all bothered about a non issue while ignoring others of a similar nature.

Fletch – thanks for that update. Last statistic I saw was about even.

I now fully expect to hear liberal outrage about teachers’ abuse of chilluns. Oh, and Pakistanis.

PS Nasska – you might like to reorient the target of your bigotry, or at least broaden the recipient class. (Nah, didn’t think so)
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August 28, 2014 1:59pm
Judith

@ hj (6,683 comments) says:
August 28th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

Mr Craig wants to enter the political contest. It is one where there are very few concessions. If he wants to play with the big boys, then he really needs to suck up his criticism and learn to be guarded in what he says, unless of course he can provide evidence that totally supports his assumptions.

As a potential MP, he should be aware that if anything he says can be twisted and given an alternative meaning, and be used to mock him – it will be.

His statements about moon landings etc demonstrate to me that he is not ready for a life in politics – being told to put those statements to one side and look at the positive he offers, is stupid. It doesn’t matter what sensible things he maybe offering, if he doesn’t have the ability to withstand the criticism at this stage, he will not survive once the real game begins and will therefore not be an effective MP.
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August 28, 2014 2:14pm
dime

hmm I want to vote ACT! but 1.2% seems out of their reach.

No point wasting my party vote.

May have to vote National 🙁
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August 28, 2014 2:16pm
graham

Pete – some of it I agree with; some of it is wrong; some of it is confusing; some of it is taking the statements of one person and blowing them out of all proportion and saying “Oh no, we have a MASSIVE PROBLEM!!!”; some of it is very focussed, taking a problem that affects many many different areas and cultures and people and implying that it is only concerning when applied to rape; some of it is based on false assumptions; some of it based on false presumptions; some of it uses statistics that have been called into question many times.

What do you agree with, and disagree with? Do you agree, for example, with the statement that rape culture is “the whole set of ideas we have around sexuality and violence and rape that normalise rape and make it acceptable, and at the same time, almost invisible.”?
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August 28, 2014 2:19pm
RightNow

Herald digipoll, not looking good for the lefty congloberate.
National with 50.7% could govern alone with 64 seats.
Winston First looks to just scrape in, but not have the balance of power, so no baubles for him.
Conservatives . . 3 more years boys.

The PiMPs seem to be leeching votes from Labour and Greens. Hone might get Harre, Sykes and Minto in on his coat-tails, but there’ll be 3 less nutbars from Labour/Greens so at the end of the day what’s the difference?
Of course Labour might decide to actively campaign for Te Tai Tokerau, which would mean less PiMP nutbars and more Labour nutbars.
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August 28, 2014 2:26pm
kowtow

rufus, I must apologise for being unclear 🙂

I know you wern’t apologising.I was referring to my earlier post about Trelisse Cooper apologising.
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August 28, 2014 2:34pm
Fletch

@Herald digipoll,

good grief we don’t want those a-holes from Internet/mana in Parliament 🙁
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August 28, 2014 2:38pm
Viking2

dime (9,646 comments) says:
August 28th, 2014 at 9:26 am

“While everyone is distracted by people tipping buckets of ice on their head” – its raised over 100 million for its charity. not trivial.

=======================
Fools and their money are soon parted! 😆
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August 28, 2014 2:40pm
Bovver

Just when things couldn’t get any darker for the left the Herald Digipoll comes out and things go black.
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August 28, 2014 2:41pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers ……

Asking the HARD questions that no one else is!

(Got speaking rights at the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting today, and raised the issue of debt and derivatives..)

Said I’d make this OIA request – so let’s see how quickly the ‘turn around’ is on THIS one!

________________________________________________________________________________________________

28 August 2014

URGENT/’Open Letter’ / OIA request to NZ Treasury

re: Legislative changes since 2008 that have allowed NZ at local and central government to become more exposed to the derivatives market.

Please be advised that under the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, I have recently received a reply from Auckland Council, dated 14 August 2014,
( Auckland Council Official Information Request No. 9000130643)

– which reveals the following information:

My LGOIMA request question:

” 6) Please provide the information which confirms exactly how much Auckland Council has been exposed to the derivatives market since 1 November 2010.”

Auckland Council reply:

“Interest rate swaps are used to manage interest rate exposures on Council debt.

The total notional value of interest rate risk management instruments (swaps) including forward start swaps is $5.8 billion and the average term to is 6.4 years.

Total “live” swaps at 30 June 2014 are $3.2 billion.

The forward start swaps of $2.6 billion will lock in the interest rate on future borrowings. ”

____________________________________________________________

Please provide the following information:

1) All legislative changes enacted since the John Key led National Government took office in 2008, which have facilitated, enabled, encouraged or generally made it easier, for New Zealand at local and central government level (including Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises) to become exposed to the derivatives market, in any/all way, shape or form.

2) The names of the banks, financial institutions and the like, which have facilitated, enabled and/or provided derivatives market services, in any form, since the John Key led National Government took office in 2008.

3) As of today, 28 August 2014, the total current amount of exposure to the derivatives market held by the NZ Government, at central government level (including, but not limited to, Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises).

4) As of 18 November 2008 (the day before the John Key led National Government took office), the total current amount of exposure to the derivatives market held by the NZ Government, at central government level (including, but not limited to, Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises).

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption/ anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
Attendee: 2014 G20 Anti-Corruption Conference
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August 28, 2014 2:45pm
Gulag1917

Interview with Chalmers Johnson author of “The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic” given February 12, 2004 in Seattle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDDkNixytd0
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August 28, 2014 3:03pm
Don the Kiwi

Penny.

You for got to add: Rates Bludging Water Stealing Very Corrupt Pubic Watch Bitch.
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August 28, 2014 3:06pm
Other_Andy

Look out, New Zealand!
You are soon to be hit by hordes of Australians fleeing climate-change traumas!
Says who?
Says climate-and-health scientist Associate Professor Simon Hales*, of the University of Otago, speaking under the auspices of the Australian Academy of Science and, indirectly, the Royal Society (UK).
His venue was an Academy High Flyers Think Tank in Brisbane last month.

“In NZ we are very worried about a potential influx of Australians, you know, escaping heat waves and lack of water and infectious diseases…”

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-thomas/2014/08/kiwis-await-climate-victims/

Simon must be right because he is a Nobel winner according to the New Zealand Royal Society.
And Griff says that you must be an unscientific nutter if you don’t believe the New Zealand Royal Society!

*Simon is an environmental epidemiologist with an interest in the atmospheric environment and global issues. He is a UK import and ‘lectures’ at the University of Otago: Wellington”
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August 28, 2014 3:40pm
deadrightkev

I have heard the arguments attached to BCIR. I too was once sceptical about allowing the people a voice but as NZ is made up of 4.5 million people of equal value I decided they should be allowed a voice.

As we have MMP the dog electoral system and both Labour and National have proven they cannot be trusted on any level I think BCIR with a 66% threshold and cool-down period is well worth the risk for democracy.

If the issue going to referendum is worthy and there is independent scrutiny of the pros and cons it must be good for NZ. Just look at the history of parliamentary abuse we have endured on the referendums to date. Bring it on I say.
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August 28, 2014 3:45pm
publicwatchdog

28 August 2014

Incomplete Auckland Council Official Information request : (Ref: 9000130643) – please provide ALL requested information.

Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town

The reply I received to my Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987 request: Re: Chief Financial Officer

lacks the ‘devilish detail’ which I specifically requested:

A) Namely, my question:

5) Please provide the information which shows from whom exactly Auckland Council has borrowed, and for what purposes, since 1 November 2010.

The ‘Debt Composition’ has been aggregated, and the exact names of those whom have provided ‘domestic funding’ and for what purposes, has NOT been provided.

Those whom are listed as having provided ‘Domestic funding’ are grouped as follows:

Bank Facilities
Local Banks
Public and financial institutions
Banks and institutional investors
Crown Electric Multiple Unit facility
Local Government Funding Agency
Offshore superfunds and institutional investors

(The total debt is now $5,553 MILLION )

1) Please provide the NAMES of each bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

2) Please provide the exact amount(s) borrowed from each of the bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

3) Please provide the information which confirms for exactly what purpose, this ‘domestic funding’ was arranged, with each of the bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

B) You did NOT answer this question

7) Please provide the information which confirms that the ‘Treasury’ of Auckland Council has been compliant with the Public Records Act 2005, since 1 November 2010.

Auckland Council reply:

“Audit NZ annually review and audit the work of Auckland Councils Treasury Team to ensure policies and procedures are adhered to.”

___________________________________________________________

With all due respect, compliance with the LAW is not the same as adherence to ‘policies and procedures’.

Currently, those responsible for administering the Public Records Act are NOT ‘Audit NZ’ – but the National Office of the Archives, now attached to the Department of Internal Affairs.

Please answer the question, and provide the information that was requested.

I look forward to your prompt, and correctly-answered reply.

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright
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August 28, 2014 3:45pm
Longknives

A vote for the Left is a vote to close down ALL Prisons. (*See Internet/Mana Party Policy)
Meaning this guy could be roaming free in your neighborhood…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11315391
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August 28, 2014 3:51pm
Fletch

Indian YouTube series about how to talk Australians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI
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August 28, 2014 4:18pm
Scott Chris

Been watching a crime documentary series called ‘American Justice’. It’s really very good.

If any of David Bain’s supporters want to see what a real wrongly convicted person looks like, check out this episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMK-XOGB-dk
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August 28, 2014 4:28pm
Fletch

“Australians favourite meat to eat is lamb”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-al0xSFJo
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August 28, 2014 4:32pm
Other_Andy

Slab of 99 beers.
where?
Texas of course!

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/08/26/austin-brewery-rolls-out-pack-beer/
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August 28, 2014 4:55pm
aquataur

A bit of light relief

Hone Harawira was visiting a Northern primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked Hone if he would like to lead the discussion on the word ‘Tragedy’..

So our future illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a ‘Tragedy’.

Manu, a little boy stood up and offered: ‘If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playin’ in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy.’

‘Incorrect,’ said Hone… ‘That would be an accident.’

A little girl raised her hand: ‘If a school bus carrying fifty children drove over a cliff, killing everybody inside, that would be a tragedy.’

‘I’m afraid not’, explained Hone ‘that’s what we would refer to as a great loss’.

The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Hone searched the room.

‘Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?’

Finally, at the back of the room, little Johnny raised his hand and said:

‘If a plane carrying you and Kim Dotcom was struck by a ‘friendly fire’ missile & blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy…’

‘Fantastic’ exclaimed Hone ‘and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?’

‘Well’, said Johnny, ‘it has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either!’
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August 28, 2014 5:14pm
cha

Indian YouTube series about how to talk Australians

It’s an Australian made series.

http://www.campaignbrief.com/2014/08/guilty-director-tony-rogers-la.html
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August 28, 2014 5:39pm
Milburn35

Good God imagine Minto in Parliament. What would we get. Halt all racist remarks. Harr, Harr Harr
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August 28, 2014 5:39pm
cha

Meanwhile, in BabaKiueria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUMpPgMGCe8
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August 28, 2014 5:42pm
Nostradamus

All Blacks iPhone app for Big Bruv:

Keeping track of the greatest rugby team in the world is a whole lot easier now with a new app.

Developed by Wellington company Paperkite, the iPhone app is designed to keep All Blacks fans up to date with the season.
…
This is a must-have app for All Blacks fans and will be handy to keep track of their progress in the upcoming season.

Come on Big Bruv – you know you want it!
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August 28, 2014 5:53pm
Longknives

Does it give you regular updates on their ‘heroic’ hunting exploits Nostradamus?
Pictures of the alleged ‘tough guys’ with dead Zebras? Elephants etc??
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August 28, 2014 6:08pm
Nostradamus

Longknives:

The software is apparently free.

It lets you customise your timeline by letting you choose what type of content you see. So you can choose a mix of stories, videos, tweets, statistics and fixtures, or all of them if you can’t enough of the boys in black.

Perhaps you could take one for the team, if you’ll excuse the pun, and let us know whether any off-the-field content is included?
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August 28, 2014 6:12pm
Longknives

“or all of them if you can’t enough of the boys in black.”

Flipper and D4J will be in for sure!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmJ-VWPDM4
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August 28, 2014 6:19pm
Steve (North Shore)

There is a debate on TV tonight, and there is a looming Election.
However, someone here keeps on hijacking General Debate into ‘Rape Culture’ Debate, wonder why?
I would like to know more about United Future and where they stand in issues other than the rape culture.
How about it? Will anyone tell us more about United Future? or will they just keep changing the subject and derailing the debate?
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August 28, 2014 6:31pm
Fletch

Some Simon & Garfunkel for tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1DAvHYyqJ4

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you’ve got to choose
Ev’ry way you look at it, you lose
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