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Dennis Horne

Pete George (23,239 comments) says: August 26th, 2014 at 8:31 am.

Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar

… let’s talk about Tania Billingsley:

… I want you to know I will stand with you and stand up to those who will attack you for raising your voice against the brutalities of our world – our New Zealand rape culture.

Yours hopefully and sincerely, Chloe King.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/26/blogwatch-an-open-letter-to-david-farrar-please-be-that-guy/

Pete George, you are a pitiful poseur posting this epistle.
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August 27, 2014 10:46am
Judith

@ polemic (416 comments) says:
August 27th, 2014 at 10:34 am

Ah, now this is a tricky one because I only heard the song for the first time on the news last night, and that was only part of it.

I discussed it with my male 19 year old at the time.
Firstly, without doubt what was said regarding the PM’s daughter was unacceptable – even to him, although he did say that it was pretty obviously just a wind up and no one would take it seriously. However, as I pointed out to him, that belief of his is based on the presumption that all young males in society are balanced thinkers, and we know that isn’t so.

Secondly, he stated that the expression ‘kill the PM’ was not actually portraying the belief that someone should end the PM’s life, but rather that ‘kill’ is a termed now used to ‘quit’ ‘end’ ‘silence’ something. So what he believed that expression to be is that someone should simply stop the PM – ie shut him up.

Hope that helps!
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August 27, 2014 10:46am
Pete George

@Grendel

Dont deflect PG, Dennis has his own issues and thats a whole different discussion, but you keep fixating on blaming all males for the actions of a few ferals and its bullshit.

That’s nonsense – it’s not me who keeps fixating on it, others keep blaming me for their own fixations, including you now.

I don’t blame all males for the actions of a few. I’m repeatedly accused of it by you and others but it’s false. That you keep repeating it despite what I say makes it look more malicious than ignorant.
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August 27, 2014 10:51am
chuk

Is anyone else getting fed up with Judith Collins? Now she is saying that her comments about being “cleared” by the Privacy Commissioner were based on media reports rather than the actual decision not to pursue the complaint laid by the Greens. She’s a lawyer and a senior politician so she should know better but she keeps giving oxygen to the opposition and every time she says anything now I expect she gives a little push to some of the swing voters.
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August 27, 2014 10:54am
ciaron

Why the focus on just the female side of the issue when it is mostly males who commit sexual crimes?

Because, it is generally accepted that men who commit rape should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, and we know that even if that meant castration and the word rapist tattooed on the convicted offenders head, there would still be a sub-set of men who would attempt rape for a variety of reasons.

I am sure Pete, that you are familiar with workplace health and safety risk strategy: Eliminate, Isolate, Minimise, Monitor?

We cannot eliminate, not sure if you can isolate, so now we have come to minimise. What precautions can females take to avoid the risk of a sexual crime being committed against them? Far from blame shifting, it’s just common sense.
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August 27, 2014 10:55am
Other_Andy

Projects put on hold in bid to soften black budget

Core services are not immune, with $10.1 million less being spent on the city’s dilapidated stormwater system and Auckland Transport targeting bus lanes and rail projects in Parnell and Pukekohe.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11314164

Bus and rail are now council core services?
According to the Herald they are……
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August 27, 2014 10:55am
Dennis Horne

Keep trying, Pete, you’ll soon get to the bottom. 😉

I’m off to do some work now but if Grendel finds a cure for me I’d be obliged! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Perhaps just a quick question to my diagnostician: Are you homosexual? (Down ticks – not me!)
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August 27, 2014 10:57am
graham

Pete, have you actually READ the complete article that you posted an extract from? “Rape culture” is the main thrust of the article, which compares the hacking of DPF’s emails to the Tania Billingsley affair and how the author thinks DPF should challenge Cam Slater on his reactions to it. The ENTIRE ARTICLE is about “rape culture”!
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August 27, 2014 10:58am
Other_Andy

—ATTENTION! – This is an announcement from the Ministry of Truth—

Making a joke about an Islamic headscarf or wearing an Indian headdress is now deemed to be racist.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11314901
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11314942
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August 27, 2014 11:03am
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• This blog’s host, David Farrar, has stated Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS is untrue in its claims that DPF organised a “Princess Party” and invited young woman for “date rape”
• Rodney Hide denies Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS references to him standing down in the face of supposed blackmail
• an OIA reply shows a particular prisoner was not moved at request of Slater through Minister Collins, and so Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS defames Slater, Collins and others.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/exclusive-another-hager-fisher-lie-exposed/#more-152315

Why would Dotcom reveal his so-called bombshell information against Prime Minister Key just 5 days before the Election?
Because, as with the examples above from Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS, the “truth” can take a little while to unravel.

Even if such personal private email shit as “what dirt can you find on Len the Rooter” may remain.
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August 27, 2014 11:05am
IGM

If Labour has run out of campaign funds, maybe either Parker or Chris Laidlaw should come to their aid. After all, they are adept ridding other people of their monies.
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August 27, 2014 11:06am
Pete George

@ciaron

We cannot eliminate, not sure if you can isolate, so now we have come to minimise. What precautions can females take to avoid the risk of a sexual crime being committed against them? Far from blame shifting, it’s just common sense.

There it goes again – putting all the responsibility on females for taking “precautions”.

Isn’t it common sense for good men to say more and do more to peer pressure other males to behave decently rather than say it’s up to females to take all the precautions?

It has now actually become very prudent for males to take precautions against getting themselves into situations where they could do something that could lead to major legal trouble – especially when their actions now could come back to haunt them years or even decades later?

Isn’t it common sense to teach our young males precautions and teach them decent behaviour. All I’ve seen here today is males preaching at females.
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August 27, 2014 11:09am
flipper

Nookin (3,174 comments) says:

August 27th, 2014 at 9:44 am

To be fair on them, dime, it was a silent protest simply as a reminder. While I did not follow the news item carefully, it did not seem to me that they were agitating or putting the pressure on.

The news media reported a “confrontation”. It seemed nothing like a confrontation as far as I could see. Tony Kokshoorn was interviewed this …..

******

Yep…good points all.

And did you notice that TVNZ took the trouble to use another hagerism to link their “report” to C Slater and the WC woman who, having lost a son in the mine, more recently lost one in a motor vehicle accident.

The most obvious fact was that the visuals did not support the (pre scripted?) audio over.

And they think the public is buying all their repeated hagerisms. Dear, dear.

****

Associated point: Mike “Fat Tony” (aka H Fee) Williams reckons National is now 43-44 %. Wolf, wolf, wolf ….. but the little pigs still cannot fly
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August 27, 2014 11:11am
graham

Grendel at 10:08 am – well done, you’ve nailed it.
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August 27, 2014 11:22am
ciaron

There it goes again – putting all the responsibility on females for taking “precautions”.

No, it doesn’t. But this is an everyday reality, we all take precautions against some things that shouldn’t happen, but might. Do you wear a seatbelt Pete? Do you wear a cycle helmet and bright clothing when riding a bike on the road? I’m sure there are many other examples, but the brute fact is taking simple steps to protect ourselves in no way attracts responsibility.

All I’ve seen here today is males preaching at females.

All I’ve seen here today, is you employing the 4-DW* defence.

*That’s Dip, Duck, Dodge, Dive & Weave.
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August 27, 2014 11:24am
Fletch

re: feminist culture. It’s a laugh to see the contrast between Beyonce’s segment on the VMA’s and Sofia Vergara on the Emmy’s show in a joke segment where she stands on a revolving platform showing off her curves. One blogger puts the case –

You won’t believe this. So on Sunday night, Beyoncé had a 15-minute medley performance at the MTV Video Music Awards. It was what you’d expect from Queen Bey these days — a stage full of back-up dancers in “naked stripper” costumes gyrating on strip poles, one of the most amazing collections of derrières I have ever seen, songs about performing oral sex in the back of a limo, a song about having a guy “tear that cherry out” (complete with the word “cherry” in big letters as the backdrop), a song that tells women who don’t respect Beyoncé sufficiently to “Bow Down Bitches,” S&M themes, intimate acquaintance with much of Bey’s crotch […] that fellatio song (“Partition”) includes the line “He Monica Lewinsky-ed all on my gown.”

But in the midst of this performance, there was a little sermonette about “Feminism,” illustrated with the helpful prop of “FEMINIST” in big letters at the back of the stage. And the media completely ate it up.

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At the Emmy Awards, Modern Family star Sofia Vergara introduced Bruce Rosenblum, chairman of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. Flatly, she said it had always been her dream to come to America to do such a thing on stage — but like so many American dreams, it soured on the vine. Rosenblum asked Vergara to step onto a pedestal that then rotated 360 degrees, showing off the Latina star’s famous curves while he talked about the state of the television industry.

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http://thefederalist.com/2014/08/26/feminism-or-sexism-depends-is-it-beyonces-vmas-or-vergaras-emmys/

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/26/here-is-the-sofia-vergara-emmy-sketch-panty-twisting-hypocrisy-exposed-and-boy-was-it-easy-photos/

Guess which woman was criticized? Hint, it wasn’t Beyonce and her sex show.
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August 27, 2014 11:28am
Fletch

If you don’t like Beyonce, the Beygency will come for you! 😮

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ENjj_xI4s
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August 27, 2014 11:46am
flash2846

@ Judith: August 27th, 2014 at 9:01 am

Sorry for the late response Judith, I have been working; and here it is:

“Bullshit!”
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August 27, 2014 12:25pm
kowtow

PC madness marching relentlessly along.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/garda-station-to-fly-flag-in-support-of-gay-parade-1.1908921
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August 27, 2014 12:32pm
cha

How dare you use the deaths of your brothers, sons and husbands to further your misguided political bias.

Yeah, terrible.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWrihd4ebvg
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August 27, 2014 12:43pm
publicwatchdog

Is this ok Kiwibloggers?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/corporations-spy-on-nonpr_b_5701894.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Corporations Spy on Nonprofits With Impunity

Here’s a dirty little secret you won’t see in the daily papers: Corporations conduct espionage against U.S. nonprofit organizations without fear of being brought to justice.

Yes, that means using a great array of spycraft and snoopery, including planned electronic surveillance, wiretapping, information warfare, infiltration, dumpster diving and so much more.

The evidence abounds.
………

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
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August 27, 2014 12:49pm
publicwatchdog

You’ll be thrilled to know that I’ve got speaking rights at tomorrow’s Auckland Council Governing Body meeting
(9.30am Auckland Town Hall).

My subject matter arises from a Local Government OIA reply which reveals that since 1 November 2010, Auckland Council is now exposed to over $5.7 BILLION in derivatives.

Follow the dollar …….

In whose interests is Auckland Council being governed?

Who else is asking these HARD questions?

Penny Bright
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August 27, 2014 12:54pm
stigie

Theres a spycraft above the council owned house as we speak Penny !~
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August 27, 2014 12:55pm
graham

DNFTT …
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August 27, 2014 12:58pm
stigie

One day you may get some answers Graham….?
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August 27, 2014 1:04pm
graham

Well I’ve been waiting for well over a year and no answers yet – which is a bit rude; heck I live just around the corner from Helensville where she wants to wreak havoc (whoopsy, I mean, where she wants to represent the people) – so you’d think she could make the effort! 🙂

But I’m ever optimistic …
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August 27, 2014 1:13pm
kowtow

labour doesn’t believe in “low value immigrants”.

I’d expect the MSM to beat this up ,but I’m not holding my breath.It’s OK when the left say it.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/election-2014/313898/immigration-gaffe-jumped
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August 27, 2014 1:17pm
publicwatchdog

How on earth is Minister of Justice Judith Collins ‘fit for duty’?

She claims to have been ‘cleared’ by the Privacy Commissioner – then has to back-track because she’s LIED, and been caught with her political undies around her ankles?

When is Prime Minister John Key going to FINALLY hold her accountable to ‘the highest ethical standards’ which, according to the Cabinet Manual, Ministers are supposed to exhibit?

Or is that quite simply ‘mission impossible’ – given that Prime Minister John Key’s ‘moral compass’ is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

(And Judith Collins’ ‘last warning’ is stuck on ‘infinite’? )

Cameron Slater, Judith Collins and John Key – ‘birds of a feather flock together’?

Whatever happened to ‘open,transparent and democratically-accountable’ Government, in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

Oh – that’s right – it was always bullsh*t, it’s now the NZ corruption REALITY that is being revealed …….

Penny Bright
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August 27, 2014 1:23pm
goldnkiwi

flash2846 (213 comments) says:

August 27th, 2014 at 8:40 am

Not disgusting, perfectly understandable but my opinion is that currently the mine is their memorial, so they have one. The men are close they know where they are, they can visit the site if closeness to remains is important. My sister does not visit our mother’s grave for the reasons I do as she doesn’t think she dwells there, I like having a place to visit and focus.

Families whose men lie in foreign fields having fallen in the war, neither had remains or memorial (other than those erected post war) to visit.

I do not think other lives should be put at risk.
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August 27, 2014 1:40pm
ShawnLH

The only thing being revealed Peeny is what a massive hypocrite you are. Stealing from councils to get a free ride is corruption.

Breaking into peoples homes and hacking computers in order to steal material that is then edited and woven into a dishonest narrative is corruption.

People writing songs about murdering the PM and raping his daughter is corruption.

Face it, you and your lefty friends are the real source of corruption in NZ.

Hager’s book has been a fizzle. It’s barely being talked about by the media anymore. Epic Fail.
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August 27, 2014 1:53pm
ShawnLH

“Political songs backfiring”

“The band @Peace really screwed up. You only have to click on that Wiki link to see how they’re going to be remembered. They released a song threatening to kill John Key – and then went into a swift panic, explaining that it was really all about mobilising young voters. The rallying cry included reference to sleeping with Key’s daughter. It wasn’t (quite) a statement of rape – but it’s a blunt and nasty use of the term, it’s a leading statement – “one of these days I’m going to f*** your daughter”. It could be very easily construed as a threat, an act of violence.

But he’s only killed one thing here – the credibility of the left; this just makes it far too easy for the right and any right supporters to (further) paint the left as a bunch of crackpots – conspiracy theorists, loons.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/blog-on-the-tracks/10427335/Political-songs-backfiring
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August 27, 2014 1:57pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Ohh for F’s sake Penny, stop using bloody inverted comas around every word and sentence. It ‘does’ ‘my’ ‘head’ ‘in’ ‘no’ ‘end’. And it is also incorrect.
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August 27, 2014 1:58pm
stephieboy

cha (3,840 comments) says:

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi leader of a Sunni militant group was responsible for a series of beheadings of US and British civilians during the 2003- Iraqi invasion and war .

I never heard of anyone trying to use the beheadings of Nic Berg etc as political football like the GOP is apparently trying to do now with James Foley .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqaw
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August 27, 2014 1:59pm
lilman

Penny instead of following the dollar how about PAYING THE DOLLAR?

Pay what you owe,Nutcase.
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August 27, 2014 2:15pm
minus

Craig believed New Zealand politics had moved towards more backroom deals, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership, while Parker described as an “outrage” the 37 minutes it took Slater to have an OIA request approved.

Has it not occurred to Parker, that after being called a liar by Goff, Tucker may have wanted to release the annotated document he held, and was pleased to have someone ask for it? 🙂
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August 27, 2014 2:17pm
graham

Far be it from to tell people what to do, but I do suggest refraining from acknowledging Penny. (I know I’m frequently as guilty of this as anybody … )

She is, quite simply, a troll. She posts off-topic, inflammatory rubbish designed to provoke people. You can’t engage with her in any reasonable way, because she simply refuses to answer questions (I know – I’ve tried. I even acceded to some of her demands many months ago when she stated that she would CONSIDER answering some of my questions, and … nothing).

Buggered if I know how she expects to get anywhere in Parliament or, for that matter as an MP, when her entire M.O. seems to consist of demanding that people answer her questions while simultaneously refusing to even acknowledge any questions that people have the audacity to put to her. Luckily I think the good people of Helensville will very quickly come to see through her charade of actually wanting to represent them, when they realise that she doesn’t actually have any policies that directly relate to Helensville.

But until she actually learns some manners, I cannot see any point in giving her oxygen, quite frankly.
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August 27, 2014 2:25pm
Scott

Can’t really agree with you Stephieboy. It’s a widely publicised image that shows the man before his execution. It shows I think one of the major differences between the Democrats and the GOP. The Democrats are incredibly weak on national defence, Democrat President Obama has been wrong on every aspect of foreign policy and I think it is quite fair for the GOP to point that out.

What the Moslems are doing however is not extreme, it is living out their religion. I came across this from the Koran today which ISIS is just putting into practice –

Surah 5.5
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
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August 27, 2014 2:29pm
Pete George

3 News has confirmed what had leaked out – in a poll to be released Conservatives are up 2.2 to 4.6%

Patrick Gower:

3 News Political Editor Patrick Gower says tonight’s poll shows Dirty Politics has given the political landscape “a real good shake”.

“Not only does it have the Conservatives nearly at five per cent – there are also significant results for some of the other parties.”

“Without giving too much away – there really has been some fallout from the Dirty Politics saga,” he says.

“A lot of people have views on what John Key should do about Judith Collins. He hasn’t acted against her – we will give the public’s view on that.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/conservatives-close-to-parliament-in-new-poll-2014082714

Sounds ominous for National but not surprising considering how poorly John Key addressed the issues raised.
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August 27, 2014 2:35pm
stephieboy

scott, I can’t really agree with you at all too.The image of Nic Berg’s and other beheadings was also very widely publicized . Actually it would be fair and reasonable to say the explosion of religious factionalism and extremism, including ISIS, had its roots in the Iraqi invasion of 2003. I
I do note behind the GOP rhetoric and polemical bombast there is very little in the way of practical solutions apart from their usual saber .rattling. Your and the GOP would have the US fighting with “boots on the ground “on all fronts in the Middle East and not forgetting the Ukraine.
Interesting that even Ron Paul’s son Rand ,questions the wisdom of all this bloated hawkishness that you and the GOP are so enthusiastic about .
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August 27, 2014 2:42pm
david

An interesting item on Stuff discussing how Cunnliffe et al took a couple out to Hobsonville to make some sort of point about housing.

Not only was Twyford unable to identify where “affordable” (I think that means subsidised) houses would be built but the two shills declared that even under Labour they couldn’t afford to buy.

These two are 20 years old and have a combined income of $75,000 and admitted that under National they could get the deposit together but couldn’t afford the mortgage payments regardless of who is the Government.

Impertinent of me to ask I know but for how long has it been important that the weight of Government gets thrown behind 20 year olds to buy new houses? Crikey even back in the 60’s and 70’s it was expected that you lived cheap, saved like hell and your first house might be cold and draughty, need doing up, in an inconvenient location but for all that it was a stepping stone. The whole thing is screwed up mightily it would seem.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10430104/Homes-still-out-of-reach-under-Labour
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August 27, 2014 3:09pm
ciaron

State of play report (for those who like a laugh):

the Who killed the Crewes thread has been hijacked and they are now discussing the Dunedin mass murder…
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August 27, 2014 3:10pm
Pete George

Crikey even back in the 60′s and 70′s it was expected that you lived cheap, saved like hell and your first house might be cold and draughty, need doing up, in an inconvenient location but for all that it was a stepping stone.

david – but that was then.

As per the Green housing policy announced today everyone deserves a warm healthy home with secure long term tenure whether renting or buying/paying off your own.
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August 27, 2014 3:24pm
Milburn35

The Electoral Commission says there are 554 candidates standing in this election. What a joke. The trouble with political jokes is that some get elected. The Greens and NZ First cannot win a seat anywhere so why do they bother standing candidates. The Greens say that they are after the party vote only so why embarrass their candidates. When you take the National and Labour votes combined of about 75% on the latest average polling it shows the mess MMP is and will continue to be.88% of people who voted in the 2011 election did not want the Greens, 94% did not want NZ First and so on for the minor parties. Penny Bright would score in the below 200 count and most of the minor parties candidates will be about this figure or less.
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August 27, 2014 3:36pm
david

PG – Why don’t they go the whole hog and ensure that everyone over voting age should be subsidised into their own warm healthy new home close to the CBD in the city of choice. Sort of like a birthday present. If phased in with everyone given the keys on their 18th birthday, it would only take 60 years or so for the whole country to be warm and healthy. [sarc]

PG , I don’t know if you were just reporting but I detected an admiring overtone in your comment and would have to say that my point was that getting stuff too easily, without goal setting, a bit of sacrifice and the will to improve one’s lot is just pissing the country’s resources away on an ungrateful and unproductive bunch of self-satisfying immature wastrels.
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August 27, 2014 3:38pm
Pete George

Not admiring at all – unrealistic idealistic policies like this that could be negotiated in the next government arrangement are a worry.

Greens think that:
a) Government should provide good housing for life to anyone who wants (“deserves”) it.
b) People who want to own their own homes should be able to get what they want as soon as they want it.
c) Landlords have been screwing tenants forever so can afford to upgrade their stock to a high standard for poor tenants on long term contracts (for as long as the tenant wants it).

Labour have gone all fiscally prudent this week, seemingly. I have no idea how they will maintain that prudence in coalition negotiations.
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August 27, 2014 4:12pm
dime

not sure if this has been posted…

also not sure if this is a pisstake or if the tub of crap is in denial. either way, hilarious.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/10429470/I-m-a-fat-girl-who-wears-revealing-clothes
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August 27, 2014 4:21pm
lurcher1948

Colin craigs in a roll so kiwiboggers if elected this mean for the singles self pleasure on Wednesday Thursday church Married Fridays for sex and reflection, SATURDAY a biggie contral trails the moon looking into his eyes and BIBLE READINGS and the BIGGIE BIGGIE for every week going to the right church decided by Collin…THE SECOND LIVING GOD AFTER JOHN KEY,who is jewish and had a hand getting rid of another god its getting confusing DONT VOTE I AM ,i have peter dunne ,gag
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August 27, 2014 5:13pm
lurcher1948

publicwatchdog (2,265 comments) says:
August 27th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
How on earth is Minister of Justice Judith Collins ‘fit for duty’?

She claims to have been ‘cleared’ by the Privacy Commissioner – then has to back-track because she’s LIED, and been caught with her political undies around her ankles?

When is Prime Minister John Key going to FINALLY hold her accountable to ‘the highest ethical standards’ which, according to the Cabinet Manual, Ministers are supposed to exhibit?

Or is that quite simply ‘mission impossible’ – given that Prime Minister John Key’s ‘moral compass’ is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

(And Judith Collins’ ‘last warning’ is stuck on ‘infinite’? )

Cameron Slater, Judith Collins and John Key – ‘birds of a feather flock together’?

Whatever happened to ‘open,transparent and democratically-accountable’ Government, in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

Oh – that’s right – it was always bullsh*t, it’s now the NZ corruption REALITY that is being revealed …….

Penny Bright

Great post Penny ,Mr Farrar must be proud to have a REAL face on his blog other than the nutter wackos that abuse you, keyboard posters posting in dark rooms sitting in their underwear.Remember,keep posting,”THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE”
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August 27, 2014 5:42pm
Gulag1917

The ads appearing on this blog are getting annoying.
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August 27, 2014 5:42pm
ShawnLH

Lurcher are you on some kind of medication?
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August 27, 2014 5:50pm
Redbaiter

“also not sure if this is a pisstake or if the tub of crap is in denial. either way, hilarious. ”

Narcissism Dime.

Its rife among the children and grand children of the boomers.

Stupid little half educated self absorbed ignorant of history shits who have contributed nothing to the world and experienced none of the pain and suffering and loss of the generations that preceded them.

She’ll end up married to a Muslim or a Chinese guy, if she ever gets that lucky that is.

Just pissed our culture up against the wall.
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August 27, 2014 5:55pm
EAD

Hey Red @ 5.55pm

I’m one of those children/grandchildren of the boomers and there are actually a fair chunk of us who are not the narcissistic, half-witted individuals you make up (although they are by far the majority).

The biggest problem I see though is the lack of individualism in my generation. Everybody wants to be part of the crowd. Idiots who are quite happy to drop a bucket of ice-cold water on their heads because facebook told them to but if you talk them to about the evils of central banking, how “critical theory” is enabling the destruction of our civilization or the lack of independence in the MSM and their face goes blank and mentally they run a mile. I may as well be talking to aliens.

You can see it when they talk politics. They will happily regurgitate whatever talking point the MSM feeds them (i.e. they will tell you this election is all about politicians creating jobs, dirty politics or Colin Craig/Jamie Whyte say “controversial” things), but outside of this, they are lost like a polar bear in the desert. As a result, they think that National & Labour represent vastly different ideas whereas the truth is on anything of real importance you can barely slip a fag paper between them.

And how does this endless march of idiocy and socialism end up? I think we have to let it play out its natural course of destruction until people finally get off their backside and try to understand real economics and politics. I fear though they won’t be able to get away from their i-phones for long enough to spend more than 5 minutes listening to the MSM that the result of the inevitable crisis was “government austerity” or “wayyyycism” or “global warming” or “homophobia” or “terrorists” or whatever boogeyman the MSM says is to blame.

I don’t know why shit like this pisses me off so much…but it freakin’ does. I guess it’s because I see all those people’s lives going right down the fucking drain right behind those buckets of ice water and I think:

What a fucking waste.
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August 27, 2014 6:30pm
Redbaiter

Well said EAD..

Like so many of the sensible words spoken in this socialist madhouse they’ll fall like a feather into the Grand Canyon of our slowly but surely disintegrating prog society.
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August 27, 2014 6:41pm
ex-golfer

That smug prick Cunliffe still doesn’t get it.
He had the perfect opportunity to win some political points tonight.
When asked about National having CCTV watching some of their billboards he claimed it was all too big-brother.
If he had bothered to engage his brain he might have realised that denouncing the vandalism would make him look more like a leader – but of course he is too naive for that.
Instead he appears to condone vandalism.
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August 27, 2014 6:42pm
lurcher1948

Heres a nice tune for you keyboard warriors to put your pants on and come out into the light bulb light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM nice track
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August 27, 2014 6:50pm
Reid

I don’t know why shit like this pisses me off so much…but it freakin’ does. I guess it’s because I see all those people’s lives going right down the fucking drain right behind those buckets of ice water and I think:

What a fucking waste.

It’s the whole deal isn’t it. The issue we’ve never had before is the ubiquitous instant comms which has bought people to the lowest common denominator.

In morality, in discipline, in courage, in all the good things.

AND in self-ish-ness, in laziness, in all the bad things.

At the same time.

The only people who don’t suffer from this are those with wisdom. And guess what wise people do?

The opposite of what fools do.

And what do fools (and ALL young people) do?

What everyone else does. With no thought as to whether or not its right or wrong, with no thought as to consequence. That just doesn’t occur, to fools and young people.

And you look at society today, and you see a lot of thirty and forty somethings who have thought processes that yesterday’s generation would have classed as those of twenty somethings.

And politicians, of course, love em.
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August 27, 2014 6:53pm
nasska

Eight times this month, my blind uncle has fallen out of the tree in his garden.
Three or four times, he’s fallen off the neighbour’s deck and twice he’s got trapped under a car.
Today though he got stuck in a gap in the village green fence, and the stress of it killed him.
This has caused me a major headache, happening right at the busiest time of the year.

Not only do I have to arrange the funeral and everything….I’ve got to find a new home for his guide-cat.
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August 27, 2014 8:07pm
dishy

ex-golfer:

You got it one. Billboard vandalism is a crime. That Cunliffe sees fit to criticise a legitimate attempt to observe crime in action is consistent with his refusal to denounce the crime that underpins Hager’s printed rubbish.

Cunliffe is morally bankrupt, and unfit to govern.
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August 27, 2014 8:23pm
Southern Raider

So Russell Brand, Oxfam and many other NGOs and celebrities have been part of the BDS campaign to boycott Israelis products.

Looks like this has worked. Sodastream is closing one of their Israeli factories.

But guess what lefty fuckers. The factory is in the West Bank and staffed by 900 Palestinians and is the major employer for that local villager.

Own goal?
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August 27, 2014 8:41pm
EAD

@ Reid,

all the memes aside of modern times the overarching movement has been away from laissez faire individualism towards collectivism. It has become so obvious but done so slowly (progressively) that people are only able to grasp what has happened if they can take a historical perspective, compare different eras and join up A LOT of dots.

The problem is any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession.

Time to tip a bucket of water over my head
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August 27, 2014 9:16pm
Reid

people are only able to grasp what has happened if they can take a historical perspective, compare different eras and join up A LOT of dots.

They trust EAD. That’s the problem.

For example DPF hallucinates that 911 must have been done by the culprits thus far identified simply because he hallucinates if it weren’t then one of the thousands of people who had, in his hallucination, to be involved, would have talked. The fact many have, simply escapes his reality.

Because he wants to believe.

Because it’s better than not believing. That’s the, in his hallucination, “scary” alternative.

Not that he’ll admit that, firstly to himself and secondly to anyone whose opinion he “respects.” But he never bothers to ask himself why he “respects” those opinions. If he ever does, he’ll learn lots of things not just about the world, but also and more importantly, about himself.

But he won’t do that, until it becomes overwhelmingly obvious.

Because he doesn’t need to.

Because his circle doesn’t require that of him. Indeed it requires the opposite.

And reinforces his hallucination he’s “informed.” Which increases his resistance to becoming so.

Multiply that by all the sheeple in the country and you’ve got a society beholden to Travistock to do what they wilt.

Our reality.
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August 27, 2014 9:29pm
EAD

9/11 IS the litmus test. But not just of our leaders. It tests our own desire to examine what we don’t wish to truly see.

So many of “We the People” spend our lives thinking very little about our safety with regard to our own government. This is a testimony to the power of not just present day propaganda, but of the deep conditioning we have all been subjected to. So to call into question the official story of 9/11 is to call into question nearly everything we believe to be true. In essence it calls into question us. Most people do not yet have the courage to follow this extremely difficult path…..the road less travelled.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair
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August 27, 2014 9:44pm
Gulag1917

Is New Zealand on the list to be “liberated”?
“A pivotal factor was openly voiced U.S. threats in a law that had been passed by both the House of Representatives and the Senate of the U.S. Congress that could eventually result in an invasion of the Netherlands by United States army forces. ”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/25/guest-column-germany-america-frightens-us-roman-baudzus/
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August 28, 2014 2:36am
Dennis Horne

Our best defence is a golf club. Our total defence is a bag of old clubs.
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August 28, 2014 7:00am
Southern Raider

A high security inmate was flown from Auckland to Wellington for a court appearance and then had to be driven back to Auckland after air nz refused to let her fly because she was aggressive

What is wrong with our justice process. Have they not heard of VC?
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August 28, 2014 7:02am
EAD

While everyone is distracted by people of tipping buckets of ice on their head, Russia & China are busy ending the dollars status as the worlds reserve currency:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/gazprom-begins-accepting-payment-oil-ruble-yuan
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