General Debate 26 August 2014

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Liberty

“Further fleshing by the National party of their housing policy as they plan to spend mine and your hard earned money on bribes and interfering with the free market by aiming to “stabilise house prices””

In an ideal world, We would have a libertarian government. The reality is a large numbers of people can’t handle a true free market. They need help to buy a house. The state has the resources so why not use them. I would prefer to see the state help by housing a family. Than waste millions on entertaining the populace. For example
New Zealand on air, National radio , TV1,2, subsidizing TV3, Team NZ, NZ Ballet,The NZ symphony orchestra. Etc etc
Keep in mind the fact only about 20% of the population pay tax in real terms.
The coalition of losers supporters. will have there wallet out for this election. They also believe it there god given right to spend there life sucking of the state tit. Such is life under a socialist Government.
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August 26, 2014 11:55am
goldnkiwi

Pete George (23,203 comments) says:

August 26th, 2014 at 9:19 am

How about ‘innocent until proven guilty ‘at least once’?
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August 26, 2014 11:55am
Griff

Not a pause in agw Fletch only a pause in surface warming.
As to your wingnut conspirowhacky mandk get a life.
All the worlds scientific organizations are not involved in a global conspiracy.
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August 26, 2014 11:56am
Fletch

I notice that there is a sci-fi movie called Snowpiercer that flicks.co.nz says is out soon. In the movie the idiots in power spray a chemical called CW7 into the atmosphere to combat global warming, bringing the global temperature down to “manageable levels”. Instead, it causes another ice-age and freezes the world. The last earth survivors are doomed to live in a train perpetually circling the frozen Earth.

This is the opening credit sequence expository dialogue during the opening credit sequence that tells how the earth got like it is – https://vimeo.com/90408355

Here is a trailer from the movie itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5PwfEMBM0
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August 26, 2014 11:56am
Don the Kiwi

Wow !

Did I just read Judith giving a near perfect analysis of herself ? 😉
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August 26, 2014 11:59am
Bill

Mark Mitchell MP knew about the Len Brown matter and passed the story on.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/webster_apologises_to_mitchell.html

Mark Mitchell, an ex-policeman who set us a “security” business that employs Special Services and Intelligence Specialists, is well connected with the SIS. There is evidence that Mark Mitchell’s relationship with Cameron Slater is quite different from that of Judith Collins. Mark is quiet. Watch him.
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August 26, 2014 11:59am
Viking2

Plunket said he apologised for his comments that undermined Gower’s professional reputation. Gower did not deserve such treatment.

“In short, I was out of line and I am sorry for treating him the way I did.”

Most of Plunket’s Friday 9am-noon show has been removed from RadioLive’s website, including the section where he interviews Gower.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10424397/Plunket-apologises-over-Gower-ambush

So if we don’t like it we just DELETE.
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August 26, 2014 12:12pm
Viking2

Oh yes and our rockstar economy.
Well that was.
Been going down hill since April.

Exports tumbled last month, down 7.5 per cent on June.

The log trade was hit hard and the monthly trade deficit blew out to $692 million.

Statistics New Zealand figures show exports were worth $3.7 billion in July.

Seasonally adjusted, exports fell 7.5 per cent in July compared with June and imports fell 1.8 per cent.

The trade balance for July was a deficit of $692m, equal to 19 per cent of exports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10424739/July-exports-tumble
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August 26, 2014 12:13pm
Redbaiter

I can’t take that Vote Compass seriously with questions like: “The government should restore free tertiary education.”

This is either an example of the Left controlling the language or people conducting a survey who have no skills to do so.

So right. One only needs to read that question to know the people who composed it have shit for brains.

I don’t participate in that other “political quiz” thing either where all the progs come back crowing about how they’re “libertarians etc”. Most of the questions are so falsely premised they’re laughable.
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August 26, 2014 12:15pm
Pete George

Redbaiter’s political compass:

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August 26, 2014 12:22pm
Griff

Dont be upset redblather.
Just because they dont run polls to find out how many other authoritarian nutcases there are in NZ doesn’t mean you are the only one.
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August 26, 2014 12:26pm
oldpark

@p g 8.52AM

WAS wondering why you have kept quiet on the filthy song, from the filthy warblers, who have been advocating illicit sex with the daughter of our Prime Minister.Now if that was about that mouthpiece woman promoted by the” GreenTaleban party” about an ALLEGED type of rape from an Diplomatic employee.I am sure people like you, and the womens rape crisis would be getting headlines,why is there so much selective morality from half crazed lefftos.
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August 26, 2014 12:36pm
wreck1080

How on earth did this guy qualify to live in New Zealand?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10424673/Auckland-man-arrested-over-14-year-old-Swiss-murder

I thought you had to pass a bunch of tests to provide you are vital to NZ.
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August 26, 2014 12:37pm
RightNow

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-28885119

A new glacier seems to be forming on Ben Nevis in Scotland. Is there nothing Global Warming can’t do?
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August 26, 2014 12:37pm
Redbaiter

“I thought you had to pass a bunch of tests to provide you are vital to NZ.”

Only one question-

Will you accept social welfare and will you vote for a left wing party?
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August 26, 2014 12:41pm
Liberty

“Dont be upset redblather.
Just because they dont run polls to find out how many other authoritarian nutcases there are in NZ doesn’t mean you are the only one.”

I believe the other one. Is now working for the UN
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August 26, 2014 12:42pm
Judith

23 Days – how to influence so many people in such a short time?
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August 26, 2014 12:46pm
Judith

@ Pete George (23,208 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

I did that political Compass and it told me I was an ACT supporter, then UF and then the Conservatives.

Clearly it has been taken over by some alien life form!!
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August 26, 2014 12:49pm
Pete George

Maybe it’s you Judith.
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August 26, 2014 12:53pm
RightNow

Judith (8,282 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

23 Days – how to influence so many people in such a short time?

I can only guess you’re talking about the upcoming election (in 25 days, but take a couple of days off if you like).
Maybe you should have started earlier, like I did. Young people are great to talk to about who they’re voting for. I find a lot of them weren’t going to vote because they just didn’t give a shit, but it usually turns out they don’t agree with at least one of the opposition parties.
I guess it’s a bit unfair that way, divide and conquer works best when there’s so many small factions and their only common ground is they hate John Key.
In fact the Key-hating seems to turn off a lot of people I talk to. They don’t want to be haters.
You may know more haters than me though.
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August 26, 2014 12:56pm
Don the Kiwi

I did Vote compass –

Put me 1. Conserv 2. ACT 3. National

Bloody Right winger 😉
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August 26, 2014 12:57pm
Pete George

oldpark – I was wondering why you say that based on just one blog thread. Why is there such selective scrutiny from (however you want to describe yourself).

It’s been well covered here:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/key_derangement_syndrome_continues.html

And I’ve also been discussing it on Twitter. The song stinks, especially involving the daughter of a politician.
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August 26, 2014 12:57pm
Judith

RightNow (6,829 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

Goodness me no – the result of our election is already known, its just the finer details yet to be decided.

Nope, I’m worried about Scotland (18 September) – that result is a little less certain – but in the long run, sentimentally it means far more than our election – unless we got some extreme result, I’m not likely to be overtly influenced by whoever wins here.
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August 26, 2014 1:04pm
RightNow

Oh, is that the vote as to whether to split from the UK? What’s your thoughts then? Should they or shouldn’t they?
I have no dog in the race myself so haven’t been paying much attention.
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August 26, 2014 1:08pm
Liberty

You are right Judith only 23days to convince Labour last remaining stragglers. By supporting a pack of loses. Norman will be finance minister. And Dot.con little buddy will be Minister of Immigration.
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August 26, 2014 1:08pm
Judith

@ RightNow (6,830 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

Financially, probably not the best for them, although I don’t believe it would make it a lot worse, and in the long run may even benefit them. But I cannot think of another nation that is more deserving of their independence (at least the nations under my radar). Despite the length of time, for some Scots, independence is as important to them today, as it was back in 1314 at Bannockburn. For that reason, I am in favour of Independence – but that’s easy to say when I’m only an occasional visitor and even if my ancestry is rooted firmly on the side of independence – I don’t have to live with the consequences of it.
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August 26, 2014 1:14pm
oldpark

@P G @12.57

Thankyou for such a prompt reply.Great to see you mention a member of a politicians family,usually not to attack family members.Yet as I have said,and still say where are Womens Refuge Rape crisis advocates,or the Green Taleban mouth pieces,perhaps there is no political gain from the screaming holier than thou mouthpieces who were and are still very vehement on the ALLEGED rape on a” greenie” by a foreign diplomatic employee.Seems ironical a person like you and a” mere male”,is abhorred by the filthy inference against John Key’s daughter.I commend and respect your concern.
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August 26, 2014 1:14pm
dime

PG’s political compass:

Independent thought ——————————-l——————————PG-What he thinks is popular opinion
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August 26, 2014 1:15pm
Pete George

Yes dime, I’m always going with the most popular opinion, that’s why my input is always welcomed here as it is across the blogosphere.
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August 26, 2014 1:19pm
Griff

Keep your hat on dime.
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August 26, 2014 1:27pm
dime

“Yes dime, I’m always going with the most popular opinion, that’s why my input is always welcomed here as it is across the blogosphere.”

i didnt say you were good at reading public opinion.
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August 26, 2014 1:42pm
dime

Front page of Herald – Pike Families Confront Key.

FFS. I wish they would just piss off. Selfish bastards wanting other people to risk their lives to get a few bones out of a cave.
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August 26, 2014 1:43pm
Pete George

By popular demand Asenati Lole-Taylor has been dropped to 16 on the NZ First list.

More debatable is Andrew Williams who seems to have been dropped altogether.

1. Rt Hon Winston Peters
2. Tracey Martin
3. Richard Prosser
4. Fletcher Tabuteau
5. Barbara Stewart
6. Clayton Mitchell
7. Denis O’Rourke
8. Pita Paraone
9. Ron Mark
10. Darroch Ball
11. Mahesh Bindra
12. Ria Bond
13. Mataroa Paroro
14. Romuald Rudzki
15. Jon Reeves
16. A Lole- Taylor

At least they don’t just give preference to all the sitting MPs.
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August 26, 2014 1:52pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George. Have you checked a dictionary yet, Pete? I see no apology for your error. Burglary:
1. (Law) English criminal law the crime of either entering a building as a trespasser with the intention of committing theft, rape, grievous bodily harm, or damage, or, having entered as a trespasser, of committing one or more of these offences
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglary

Incidentally, nincompoop that you are, or ignoramus, or liar, Assange has not been charged. He is wanted for questioning for attempted rape, which was that he had intercourse with one woman without a condom and “started” on the other woman before she was fully awake. Both women entertained him in their homes for some time after the “offences” before they met each other… The subsequent vindictive complaints were dismissed by the city prosecutor. The CIA or someone had to find a feminist prosecutor somewhere out of town. Assange offered himself for interview in London but the Swedes said they couldn’t do that. Complete lies, they’ve interviewed others outside Sweden. To repeat, he has not been charged with rape.

PS. You wouldn’t be related to Garth George and Ian George, would you?
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August 26, 2014 2:10pm
Dennis Horne

Judith. Disappointed, Judith, disappointed. You just can’t help getting the wrong end of the stick, can you, so you can argue and nitpick. I don’t condone rape but I do think there’s two sides to every story and what one person might misinterpret as encouragement and politely back off another might call attempted rape. Especially if it suited her purpose. You see, Judith, I don’t know what happened. We probably won’t know what happened. What we do know is she wasn’t raped. Personally I don’t see how a man can rape a woman without leaving bruises and other signs of a struggle unless he has a gun or a knife or whatever but that’s another argument.

To seek the truth and listen to both parties is not to condone rape nor is it to be part of a rape culture.
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August 26, 2014 2:23pm
flash2846

dime – Stop making me laugh, it hurts 🙂 🙂 🙂
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August 26, 2014 2:24pm
Pete George

Error about what Dennis?

The Malaysion diplomat faces burglary and sexual assault charges. The two chargers could be related as per our laws burglary doesn’t have to involve theft, just any imprisonable offence

231Burglary
(1)Every one commits burglary and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who—
(a)enters any building or ship, or part of a building or ship, without authority and with intent to commit an imprisonable offence in the building or ship; or
(b)having entered any building or ship, remains in it without authority and with intent to commit an imprisonable offence in the building or ship.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330242.html

Laws are best checked in New Zedaland Statutes, not international dictionaries.

I doubt very much that the CIA were involve din laying charges against Assange.

I’ve been told I’m distantly related to Garth George but have never had anything to do with him. I haven’t heard of Ian George.
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August 26, 2014 2:24pm
adze

Now here is an example of philanthropy that truly made a difference. Millionaire provides day care scholarship for all high school graduates in his area, graduation rates rose from 25% to 100%:

http://www.today.com/news/millionaire-uses-fortune-help-kids-struggling-town-1C9373666
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August 26, 2014 2:24pm
stephieboy

I see Pam Corkery offers to step down after her abusive hysterical meltdown on her public debut as Internet Mana Press Secretary on Sunday.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11314377

Tsk,tsk,tsk…
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August 26, 2014 2:27pm
Pete George

@Dennis Horne

Personally I don’t see how a man can rape a woman without leaving bruises and other signs of a struggle unless he has a gun or a knife or whatever but that’s another argument.

Having sex with an unconscious woman is one obvious way.

But, are you really thinking that as long as a man doesn’t have a weapon or leave any visible signs of a struggle it can’t be rape?

Would that apply to having sex with a child as well?
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August 26, 2014 2:31pm
Fisiani

No matter what the trading positions are a Green/Labour/IM/Winston First government would make them far worse.
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August 26, 2014 2:34pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George (23,216 comments) says: August 26th, 2014 at 8:31 am. [Chloe King] … Having some guy follow you home, enter your house, attempt to rape you and then steal items that belong to you from your home.

You really are thick, Pete. I was merely pointing out that the charge of burglary does not necessarily mean stealing but that’s how Chloe King had read it. Hence I gave a definition which is quite correct. Isn’t it? But you told me I didn’t know what I was talking about.

If the CIA are not behind the Assange business, then who had the resources to scour the country to find someone somewhere prepared to prosecute the fictitious case? Why can’t he be interviewed in England, as others have? Assange has not been charged with rape, he is wanted for questioning for attempted rape, which in this case is not what is meant as attempted rape in the UK or here. In fact, I believe he hasn’t been charged at all. He can only be extradited because there is some funny EU law that allows movement between countries as between cities.

You have the same effect on me as Garth George and Ian George; must be hereditary. Sanctimonious nincompoop clutching at straw rapists.
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August 26, 2014 2:44pm
Pete George

Dennis – so why did you say to me “Have you checked a dictionary yet, Pete? I see no apology for your error.” What error?

Your last comment is nonsensical.

You haven’t responded to my 2.31 pm questions (unless that was it).
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August 26, 2014 2:48pm
Gulag1917

Cowardice by the NZRU
Sonny Bill given special exemption by NZRU
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11313927
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August 26, 2014 2:49pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George. You are an idiot. I said woman. Since when has a child been deemed a woman?

I am talking about raping a normal woman in everyday circumstances without leaving signs of a struggle. I am not talking about someone unconscious or near so. That is a special case where she is deemed unable to give consent, whether she has or not.
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August 26, 2014 2:54pm
Pete George

What about a large man versus a small 16 year old girl/woman?

As far too common as it is rape isn’t “in everday circumstances”.

An unconscious person is unable to give consent, even if she writes and signs a note in advance.

Do you really consider that “no visible sign” is on it’s own a defence against rape? Would the sign of being distraught afterwards be a visible enough sign? Or are you just talking about physical assault type signs?
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August 26, 2014 3:01pm
goldnkiwi

Dennis Horne (2,145 comments) says:

August 26th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

No need for a gun or knife to effect rape Dennis. It can even be subjective to a person’s history. ie previously raped, child abuse, age, experience, any number of factors, sexual orientation. Someone brought up to be entirely subservient to others compared to someone who was ie a feminist.

People will have allowed themselves to be raped to avoid harm to others even. Threats of violence are as real as actual violence, why wouldn’t a person minimise inevitable harm.

When a bank is held up it is usually the threat of harm not actual harm that nets the robber money.

For women especially, and I would say less nowadays than before, sex was such a taboo subject that it amazes me that women were expected to be chaste one day and then available the next based on a wedding ceremony, but we still do have wider societal sentiments regarding virgin and whore and often not much in between.

Some women are flattered my male attention, others of us not so much now that we are older lol but then others of us older ones are still glad that ‘we still have it’ whatever ‘it’ is.

In modern times I think there is a general expectation that women are more available for sex than in times gone by. I personally blame the sexual revolution and I do not consider that it did women any favours but purely made ‘sex’ more available to men, so much so that now there is an ‘expectation’, do not however read in that, that I believe the ‘rape culture’ cry.

Long story short, rape is rape, with or without battery..
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August 26, 2014 3:08pm
Pete George

This is awful: http://porcupinefarm.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/inseparable.html
but it illustrates John Key’s ongoing problem because he hasn’t disassociated himself.
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August 26, 2014 3:13pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George. You can’t read?

Personally I don’t see how a man can rape a woman without leaving bruises and other signs of a struggle unless he has a gun or a knife or whatever but that’s another argument.

I’ll repeat myself. Personally I don’t see how a man can rape a woman without leaving bruises and other signs of a struggle unless he has a gun or a knife or whatever but that’s another argument.

1. I have never tried to rape a woman, or a man, or a child, or a goat, but such experience as I have had is that it wouldn’t be that easy to have intercourse with a normal woman if she was determined not to. That’s why I said “personally”.

2. That’s another argument. And that’s why I’m not going to argue. Especially when you drag up special cases to make the general case. That we have a rape culture.

New Zealand is not a rape culture, either in comparison with other societies or in absolute terms.
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August 26, 2014 3:15pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (1,133 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

Very well said, and very true.
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August 26, 2014 3:19pm
Pete George

Dennis – I’m not surprised you can’t see any sign of anything like a ‘rape culture’ in New Zealand, but you’re a good example of how entrenched something like it can be.

Read goldnkiwi’s comment at 3.08 pm.
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August 26, 2014 3:19pm
Dennis Horne

goldnkiwi. I don’t disagree with what you say. Most of it is covered under the “whatever” of “a knife or gun or whatever.”

It is true that people you know might have a hold on you but aren’t we talking about stranger rape in this case?

How exactly do you frighten someone without a weapon or use of physical force?

If you walked into a bank and said, “This is a hold up” and dropped your pants what would happen?
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August 26, 2014 3:30pm
flipper

Pete…
I have read many of your 20,000 (JHConB) plus contributions. Some are sensible.
But of late, your are off your rocker.
Back off.
Go back to bed (without your laptop).
Pete Dunne, somewhat a friend of mine, will be re-elected.
So come back to the present.
In other words, STFU
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August 26, 2014 3:31pm
Pete George

flipper – your comment is not exactly on your rocker. In other words, get stuffed (re trying to tell me me to shut up).

Are you in a round about sort of way saying you agree with Dennis? If so which of his changing positions?
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August 26, 2014 3:34pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George. I’m not surprised you misunderstand what I say. You can’t read. I said: New Zealand is not a rape culture.

Clearly there are some people who commit rape, but as far as I know only barristers defend it. So New Zealand is not a rape culture. Nor does it have a widespread rape culture, outside the gangs anyway.

I do not condone rape but I am not going to jump on the bandwagon that you seem to be in the team drawing. Neigh, neigh, neigh.
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August 26, 2014 3:38pm
flipper

Pete George (23,222 comments) says:

August 26th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

flipper – your comment
****

Not worthy of response.
Go back to from whence U came. 🙂
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August 26, 2014 3:47pm
Pete George

It is true that people you know might have a hold on you but aren’t we talking about stranger rape in this case?

There was no talk of limiting the discussion to a subset of rape. Statistics show that in the majority of rape and sexual assault cases the offender is known to the victim.
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August 26, 2014 3:47pm
All_on_Red

Pete
Re your definition of Burglary. It’s the “intent” part which is relevant. The fact he stayed and didn’t run speaks a lot about his intent.
We will see. When’s he due back?
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August 26, 2014 3:49pm
Pete George

Despite the number of claims and assumptions being made there’s very few facts known about the case – including when he’s due back here.
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August 26, 2014 3:51pm
All_on_Red

Dennis
Usually a physical examination of the vaginal area can determine if rape has occurred. I can’t recall the exact description of the indicators but the difference between willing and unwilling can be determined.
But, I have to say, I don’t think we have a rape culture in NZ. Boofhead culture (oxymoron?)yes.
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August 26, 2014 3:53pm
goldnkiwi

Is there really any need for him to be back here before a trial date is set? Incarcerated at ‘our’ expense, on bail? where he has to twiddle his thumbs?
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August 26, 2014 4:03pm
Milburn35

I have not read and will not read Hager’s Dirty Politics book. Tom Barker asked the question of who published the book and an easy internet search showed them to be Craig Potton Publishing of Nelson. With Vote Compass on TV1’s website has anybody noticed the Electoral Commissions logo on the bottom as one of the sponsors. How can this organisation be a part of a questionnaire that may sway some voters. They have rules of what you can do and what you cannot do. One of them is that any organisation can’t put anything in the public domain that may influence voting. One of the questions shown by TV1 was about “will the Dirty Politics book influence your vote” or something like that. How can this be one of the questions as the designer of Vote Compass is not a New Zealander and someone has influenced him to have this question included. What next!
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August 26, 2014 4:04pm
Left Right and Centre

#11) Sociopaths can’t take a hint. 😉 Sorry nanna – I’m so naughty.
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August 26, 2014 4:06pm
Longknives

Christ I haven’t been on Kiwiblog for a while and I come back and Pistol Pete George is pontificating and calling us all Rapists again…
(A subject he clearly knows nothing about)
Out of here.
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August 26, 2014 4:07pm
Left Right and Centre

Talking of rape culture – GD’s taken a fair old raping so far today. I liked the moral compass bit though – you know what they say about a stopped clock. And then the dime comeback. Good funhole when you don’t deserve a real one.
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August 26, 2014 4:09pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George. Go back and read your post which quotes Chloe King’s begging letter to David Farrar. It was specifically about Billingsley. A stranger (attempted) rape. A specific case of a subset.

You were wrong about “burglary” in King’s letter and you misconstrue what I say but then you misconstrue what you write yourself! I’m not going to ever bother correcting you again.
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August 26, 2014 4:10pm
Dennis Horne

All_on_Red. Yeah, but women are calling rape when there is no physical evidence. Obviously if there is physical evidence of rape then it is rape except in certain cases of pre-existing pathology.
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August 26, 2014 4:15pm
Judith

The thing about rape is that the male doesn’t have to have ejaculated. Simple penetration and then even partial penetration with the penis is also defined as rape. Therefore, physical evidence alone does not always provide confirmation.

Technically even if a male attempts/begins penetration and withdraws when told to, the rape has already occurred. The Crimes act defines rape as penetration with the penis…

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM329051.html
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August 26, 2014 4:26pm
stigie

“The thing about rape is that the male doesn’t have to have ejaculated.”

Well, blow me away with a feather duster !!~
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August 26, 2014 4:29pm
Judith

@ stigie (982 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

I meant as far as leaving any deposited evidence Stigie –

as far as your feather duster fetish – cute! 🙂
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August 26, 2014 4:32pm
stigie

Nah, dont do feather dusters Judith.

Pretty much the same as what Johnboys into !~
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August 26, 2014 4:47pm
Viking2

Don the Kiwi (1,639 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

I did Vote compass –

Put me 1. Conserv 2. ACT 3. National

Bloody Right winger 😉

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Yeah about as right as Pete.
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August 26, 2014 4:47pm
Ross12

Interesting read on the Aussie economy

http://www.news.com.au/finance/rba-boss-glenn-stevens-is-right-unleash-your-inner-mongrel/story-e6frfm1i-1227033095395
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August 26, 2014 5:38pm
Pete George

Christ I haven’t been on Kiwiblog for a while and I come back and Pistol Pete George is pontificating and calling us all Rapists again…

That’s a total misrepresentation of anything I’ve said here, I haven’t done that at all, so why try and frame it like that? It’s obviously a topic some here have a lot of trouble understanding or talking about, so they fall back on making things up in attacks.
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August 26, 2014 5:46pm
Reid

That’s a total misrepresentation of anything I’ve said here, I haven’t done that at all

Yes you have Pete and WTF is wrong with you that you don’t get this, it’s not rocket science. Let me capitalise it so you may understand and if not, at least you can’t be accused of not knowing what the issue is.

JUST BECAUSE A FEW JUDGES GRANT SOME SEXUAL OFFENDERS NAME SUPPRESSION UNDER DUBIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH INDEED MANY COMPLAIN ABOUT, DOES NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEAN EVERY SINGLE MAN IN NZ IS PART OF A “RAPE CULTURE.”

AND IF YOU DON’T THINK YOU ARE ACCUSING EVERY SINGLE MAN IN NZ OF PRECISELY THAT EVERY TIME YOU CONJOIN THE WORDS “RAPE” AND “CULTURE,” THEN LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD CULTURE.

Like I said Pete, it’s not rocket science.

Hope that helps, but seriously doubt it will.

And BTW, I know you don’t mean to accuse every single man in the country apart presumably from yourself, of being part of a rape culture; yes, I know that. But just cos you don’t mean to do it Pete, does not mean that you’re not doing it.
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August 26, 2014 6:18pm
Southern Raider

Stupid council policy alert

Just found out that in Dec last year Wellington City introduced a bylaw where if you server drinks to your staff more than 12 times a year you need to pay for an annual “club” licence

What is wrong with these people. Every business in Wellington almost probably provides a couple of Friday beers and would be in breach.

When asked how they enforce it the response was “it’s relatively new so not sure yet”

Why introduce a rule that is against common sense, captures almost everyone and you have no way of enforcing it?
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August 26, 2014 6:19pm
Johnboy

You should pop down to Wainui for a gargle Reid!

Stuff such as above won’t help your blood pressure! 🙂
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August 26, 2014 6:21pm
Pete George

Reid, this is fairly basic – as much as some here may like it to ‘culture’ doesn’t apply the same to everyone in a country. It doesn’t even apply the same to everyone in a city, or a town, or rural New Zealand.

‘Binge drinking culture’ doesn’t mean everyone in the country is an alcoholic.

‘Dirty politics culture’ doesn’t mean every MP, every politician, every political activist or every party member practices or supports dirty politics – in fact far from it.
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August 26, 2014 6:24pm
Reid

Stuff such as above won’t help your blood pressure!

I just use the caps lock Johnboy and then relax. It’s quite tranquil, a bit like whipping the slaves along via the use of another special whipping slave while you lounge around in the deck chair with a drink with an umbrella in it casually pointing and waving at the next slave who looks like he needs a bit of “encouragement.”

Or was that TMI?

Reid, this is fairly basic

Why yes it is Pete and hasn’t it occurred to you that as much as the wowsers and the woofters try to pretend it so, fact is we don’t have a binge drinking culture and we don’t have a dirty politics culture, etc? Of course a few people do. Just cos a few woolly woofters allege it’s a culture don’t make it so.
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August 26, 2014 6:26pm
dad4justice

“‘Dirty politics culture’ doesn’t mean every MP, every politician, every political activist or every party member practices or supports dirty politics – in fact far from it.”

Bullshit Piffle Pete name me one honest politician of integrity?
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August 26, 2014 6:26pm
Other_Andy

Did you see the TVNZ item about the ‘climate scientists’ in Auckland?
Telling us that the sea ice is disappearing in Antarctica?

Here is the sea ice data from the Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

It is almost surreal.
1984 is here.
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August 26, 2014 6:40pm
Pete George

Manager Mark Jackson said the blossom was about two weeks earlier than normal, and about four days earlier than last year’s first blossom.

http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/313537/frost-risk-blossoms

Daffodils are earlier than usual in Dunedin too, and for the fourth winter in a row we’ve had significantly less frost.
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August 26, 2014 6:45pm
Scott Chris

I did Vote compass – told me I like my decisions to be made for me.
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August 26, 2014 7:04pm
Scott Chris

Daffodils are earlier than usual in Dunedin too, and for the fourth winter in a row we’ve had significantly less frost.

Yeah it’s been a bit cosier up Auckland way these last few years but considering the oceans have been sequestering most of the recent heat retention I’d say those nice warming touches may soon become deadly.
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August 26, 2014 7:09pm
Griff

Telling us that the sea ice is disappearing in Antarctica?
…. look over there a squirrel.
I am sure he knows about the sea ice winter extent expanding at 1.5% a decade. just like he will know arctic sea ice is retreating at 14% decade.
Are you sure he didn’t actually mention the land ice ?

Glacial retreat around the world . ice sheets melting, snow lines getting higher all leading to sea level rise

Antarctic sea ice will almost all melt again this summer just like it always does.
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August 26, 2014 7:11pm
cha

…. look over there a squirrel.

Bárðarbunga!.

Let me be clear about what this is, it is about as large as an eruption is likely to be in this geological era. Only full scale trap formations and supereruptions are larger.

http://volcanocafe.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/bardarbunga-nature-of-the-beast/
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August 26, 2014 7:21pm
Other_Andy

Scott Chris says at 7:09 pm

“……considering the oceans have been sequestering most of the recent heat retention….”

That is the ocean water that is warmed up by the atmosphere, which hasn’t warmed for the last 17 years, and is sequestered under the colder water, contrary to the laws of physics, to depths where we can’t measure the temperature?
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August 26, 2014 7:37pm
nasska

I don’t want to alarm anyone but since the scientists invented “climate change” I haven’t seen a single dinosaur….
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August 26, 2014 7:48pm
goldnkiwi

Dennis Horne (2,152 comments) says:

August 26th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

I would quite possibly laugh, but then I have been known to do that when not in a Bank too. 🙂
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August 26, 2014 7:56pm
Don the Kiwi

Viking 2
August 26th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

Don the Kiwi (1,639 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

I did Vote compass –

Put me 1. Conserv 2. ACT 3. National

Bloody Right winger 😉

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Yeah about as right as Pete.

Shit Viking, gimme a break.
You think I am like Pete?????? you gotta be joking. I’m Catholic, Pete’s atheist/agnostic – like you.
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August 26, 2014 7:58pm
Scott Chris

Other Andy

The sea holds 90% of the earth’s surface heat content. The atmosphere is merely a conduit for that heat one way or t’other.

Look it up.
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August 26, 2014 8:01pm
Griff

Well done other Andy you have shown us how confused about the facts you are.]
Ignore all surface records because you dont like what they say instead take only the satellite measurement .
the atmosphere has warmed and cooled
The surface has warmed according to our global temperature records
http://skepticalscience.com/trend.php
The stratosphere has cooled according to derived satellite measurements.
http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
This shows the earth has continued to gain energy at an increasing rate.
Ocean heat content has continued to climb
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/
The specific heat of water is many times that of air 92%odd of the energy goes into the world oceans . This has been accelerating specifically at a depth between 700 and 2000 meters…. global warming is increasing ….
While someone like you in denial likes to focus only on cherry picked snippets of information that confirms your bais and ignores all else
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August 26, 2014 8:03pm
OneTrack

Fisiani – “No matter what the trading positions are a Green/Labour/IM/Winston First government would make them far worse.”

Green/Labour/Internet/Mana/Winston First government you mean. Once the lefties have finished their rort in Te Tai Tokerau (6 minutes after the election closes), IM will break up into their two separate parties again. How convenient! Play safe and try not to get your body in between a lefty and their lust to be behind the Treasury benches. Otherwise you might lose an arm or something.
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August 26, 2014 8:04pm
nasska

A girl brought home her Muslim boyfriend to meet her father.

“Mr Smith,” he said. “I love your daughter very much and would like to ask for her hand in marriage.”

“That’s as may be,” the father replied. “But shouldn’t you wait until she’s left your Primary School and you’re no longer her headmaster?”
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August 26, 2014 8:28pm
cha

RDAF F-16 low level over Greenland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzCsQsmipq0
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August 26, 2014 8:58pm
Judith

@ nasska (10,855 comments) says:
August 26th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

Take a closer look at some of the comments on here nasska – I can spot a couple of old fossils, so there just might be a dinosaur or two lurking as well! 😛
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August 26, 2014 9:09pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Give it up Griff, noone with any critical faculties believes in catastrophic AGW anymore.
-Yes the climate is warming, but it is only around 0.7-1°C per century, since 19th century. Not accelerating, not a problem
-Yes the sea is rising but only at about 2-300mm/century, unchanged since 19th century. Not accelerating, not a problem.
-It seems likely that climate sensitivity to CO2 is low around 1-2°C increase per doubling – not the ridiculously high figures touted by IPCC (up to a max of 8-10 at one stage, but steadily dropping during this generation long climb-down).
-Yes Arctic sea ice is near low for last 40 years, but there is no data from pre-1970, so no telling if this is unusual, though we do know that for large parts of the holocene (last 12000 years) the climate was warmer than present, with smaller glaciers, and less arctic ice cover (holocene era drift wood and trees is found under now-permanent ice).
-The scare has been manufactured by model fitting to faster rising global temps during the upward temp swing of the natural PDO/AMO oceanic circulation cycles.
-Global climate models have demonstrated no skill in prediction of future or past climate. The assumptions they embody have been falsified by real world data and scientists not dependent upon catastrophic warming gravy train admit this.
-Troublingly the models have no ability to deal with key fundamental physical processes like the very subtle turbulent convective heat transfer effects of oceans or atmosphere, and will probably never be able to model the intricate convective heat transfer issues presented by clouds.

-Fossil fuels will likely taper off in use towards middle of century as we get cheaper options like nuclear, solar and possibly fusion putting an end to further CO2 rises and consequent warming.

Climate science of the last generation will in future serve as the historical benchmark for bad/political science, the dangers of groupthink, dangers of noble cause corruption, dangers of allowing zealots to restrict dialogue/who is heard/published, dangers of funding systems that reward millennialist doomsayers, dangers of science driven by zealotry, and dangers of science being used as an excuse to accrete political power.
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August 26, 2014 9:25pm
Tom Barker

“noone with any critical faculties believes in catastrophic AGW anymore”

Well, 99% of the world’s climate scientists do. But let’s just ignore them, right, and keep on parroting the Koch brothers’ lines.
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August 26, 2014 9:58pm
Griff

Cut and paste queen
why dont you give a source?
Answer its a bogus list from some wingnut blog with obviously bullshit included … WUWT climate depot gwpf or some such echo chamber blog. They all re post the same old rubbish for the gullible like you.
like

sea level is not rising
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

There is strong evidence that global sea level is now rising at an increased rate and will continue to rise during this century. While studies show that sea levels changed little from AD 0 until 1900, sea levels began to climb in the 20th century.

Ipcc
Where did 8 to 10 c come from its not in any IPCC report …… straw man

Sea ice there is no data from pre-1970
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice/field.html
We do have records going back to 1750 for most of the arctic , whaling records for last century in the antarctic also satellite photos from the sixties. among others.

Model fitting the old models are broken canard: Models if given the present variables in solar energy ,volcanoes, soi etc get the present temperatures correct .

group think? 😆 have a look in the mirror buddy
When a whole bunch of right wingers reject a entire discipline of science because they dont like the conclusions and then source rubbish from blogs rather than actually accessing the experts.
We have people on here who deny the greenhouse effect and clam massive conspiracy of evil scientist 😆 reality is to much for some

Climate change denial will be a benchmark for political belief overriding reality and the ability of well funded campaigns in misdirection to subvert the political process
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August 26, 2014 10:01pm
Scott Chris

I don’t want to alarm anyone but since the scientists invented “climate change” I haven’t seen a single dinosaur….

In that case don’t look a sparrow too closely in the eye Nasska.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds
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