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Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11313415

‘Shocked’ writer Russell Blackstock has clearly never seen any ‘Hip Hop’ videos…
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August 24, 2014 8:02am
hj

The housing problem isn’t a housing problem; it’s a regional development problem

I have noted with growing despair the xenophobia which is becoming a political commonplace this election cycle. On the left it’s about house prices.* But this post is not about racism; it’s about development.

Houses cheaper in regions

The chart above shows income and employment growth by region, and this is why the houses are so cheap. The growth is just not there. (From the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment Regional Economic Activity Report 2013).

As Eric Crampton said about the census income growth figures, increases in average wages across much of the South Island have been coupled with decreases in population, as people on low incomes move in search of better-paying work.

The Solution

Diversification and specialisation
The object of a regional development policy must be to promote structural change, to create industries and communities that are sustainable in their own right — neither transient nor exhaustible, and which attract people whose commitment is likewise neither transient nor exhaustible. These jobs need to go beyond the traditional churn industries like tourism, hospitality and service; though, of course, these jobs will be needed, they should be incidental to development, not its purpose. They need to be high-value and export-led — unlike, for example, our timber industry, and our wool industry. One of our key advantages here is our reputation for being clean and green — demand for premium food, the safety and quality of which can be assured, and including organic and sustainably-produced, is likely to grow strongly and we seem ill-prepared to meet this opportunity, as just one example. Another example is the potential of Māori business, which is as yet terribly underutilised.

tagsTags: Auckland, Dunedin, Eric Crampton, Greens, Immigration, jolisa gracewood, Labour, MBIE, National, Polity, regional development, Stuart Nash, Wellington

So Sir Paul Callaghan type enterprises at Taihape and Whathavu (Dunsandel)
http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2014/05/the-housing-problem-isnt-a-housing-problem-its-a-regional-development-problem
Shamabell Equab and Professor Paul Spoonley are flogging the same horse (take “engineers” from China, India and Bangladesh root them in the regions and see the regions take off). Anything but consider that, maybe, NZ is developed to a reasonable potential and skills and entrepreneurialship aren’t the issue.
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August 24, 2014 8:02am
duggledog

Interesting article on Russell Norman in the paper. He explains how some of his views on how the evil nasty capitalistic world works are inherited from his father who seems to have had a hard row to hoe.

You also learn that Rusty has 5 older siblings and his dad was not highly skilled.

Bless.
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August 24, 2014 8:03am
Longknives

Duggledog- Haven’t seen it. Has he got his “Fwag” back yet??
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August 24, 2014 8:04am
kowtow

Says it all ; Hitler admired by hate filled Muslim immigrants on the streets of the city he sought to bomb into submission.Protests by Muslim fascists outside the mother of parliaments.Freedom for haters but not for those standing up for the only democracy in the Middle East.

How low Britain has been brought by progressive multiculturalism and fear of giving offence to those who must be appeased.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/23/Anti-Israel-Protests-Number-10-Aug-23
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August 24, 2014 8:05am
Pete George

Most people (probably including most in National) won’t be lamenting the exposure of the dirtiness of Whale Oil, but there are wider implications about the hacking.

NZ Herald imply there could be multiple hackers or at least multiple anonymous people with political agendas who have copies of the data.

The Herald is outing people who have communicated with Whale Oil. How would people feel if their political communications and their identity were outed?

How would journalists feel if they were hacked and their sources were outed? If it happened to Slater it could happen to other bloggers or newspapers.

And why is the use of illegally hacked data ok but legally obtained surveillance data obtained by the police, SIS or GCSB so bad?

Multiple hackers
Hacked data good, spied data bad
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August 24, 2014 8:08am
IGM

The filthy left have stooped to their gutless level by setting fire to a candidate’s trailer outside his home. This is the sort of scum represented by Bright on this post daily . . . no wonder she aligns with McCready . . . just envious losers.
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August 24, 2014 8:09am
duggledog

Longknives –

‘A top Auckland private school has investigated allegations of racist remarks including the word n***** made by a student during a football match last weekend.’

The alleger will no doubt be Willie Jackson, or at least aided, abetted and encouraged by Willie, whose son (paradoxically) goes to the exclusive, expensive, Kings College.

You can put the house on it.
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August 24, 2014 8:11am
MT_Tinman

A school complaint.

The “N” word?

National?
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August 24, 2014 8:14am
hj

Bob Fairlane
February 13, 2010 at 02:37
You “multiculturalists” only want “multiculturalism” in WHITE COUNTRIES. You don’t suggest to Zaire or Haiti that they need more White people, or demand that Japan hire more white cops in proportion to the amount of whites that live there. You wouldn’t dare tell the Mexicans that if they don’t hire White factory workers even illegal aliens, that its a “human rights violation.”
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Maria
October 15, 2010 at 18:30
Bob Fairlane is correct. “Diversity” is only considered enriching for Western countries. Other countries are allowed to preserve their cultures, languages, and ethnic majorities, and no one calls them “racist” for doing so. It’s hard not to see some kind of deliberate pattern here.
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Will
December 3, 2010 at 07:48
I wasn’t going to comment but the two dimwitted commentaries above forced my hand in a sense. To answer both of your questions: the reason “multiculturalism,” as you call it, is a more prominent idea in the West is simply because it was Western cultures that generally exploited others in recent history. In case you don’t know, the US, Australia, South Africa, and so on, weren’t originally white. It was the whites who invaded, oppressed and wreaked havoc on the native population and culture. Multiculturalism, whatever you think of it, is nothing more than late, rather futile attempt to redress those mistakes.

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/diversityandtrust
There were quite a few people in the Greens who thought like that. Green MP Delahunty:

It is not rocket science that Pakeha may be a minority by the late 21st century. It is to be hoped that tangata whenua will be the largest cultural grouping in their own country again. However all the demographic changes will be a change for the worst if Pakeha cannot come to terms with being a minority culture. Our attachment to Westminster democracy has been based on our majority status. Will we find to our horror that minorities in such a system are overruled and undermined? Will we react by supporting more truly equitable and culturally diverse methods of decisionmaking, based upon Te Tiriti, or will we build a fortress, clinging to wealth and power behind barbed wire and guard dogs?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0702/S00068.htm
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August 24, 2014 8:15am
Pete George

This is the sort of scum represented by Bright on this post daily

That’s very unfair. There’s no evidence who lit the fire is there? And certainly no evidence Penny Bright is in any way connected.

If it’s a politically motivated attack it’s deplorable.

But there’s no more evidence to link Penny to it than there is to prove it’s an attention seeking selfie. Taylor has been a controversial candidate but no one deserves this sort of political intimidation.
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August 24, 2014 8:19am
IGM

Who gives a stuff about the “N” word, if it is depictive use it!
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August 24, 2014 8:19am
publicwatchdog

Desperate stuff anonymous GUTLESS ‘IGM’.

Keep going …..

Penny Bright
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August 24, 2014 8:32am
IGM

“Public Dog”: We are upset, what a shame, time you confront reality and truth, something that eludes you.
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August 24, 2014 8:36am
mjw

The National party website was also exposed. But the person who found that thought the right thing to do was let them know, and let them fix it. What a contrast.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11313017
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August 24, 2014 8:38am
kowtow

“If it’s a politically motivated attack it’s deplorable.”

Why is it any more deplorable if its political? Why is the ‘N” word so much worse than any other rude remark?Why are some offences more offensive than others?

Just more progressivism seeking to smear and batter us into submission to the agenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgePEO7GUtE
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August 24, 2014 8:38am
flipper

heh folks….

And a very nice night it was last night, even of all the action was in Auckland.

But, back to the present. JK et al will be in Manukau this afternoon to launch Nats’ campaign.

Anyone care to guess what will happen at:

1. Pravda

2. Red radio

3. TVdann

4. TVcower

5. DomPost’s Labour/red melon branch

6. Dotslob’s party party party

7. Whaledump ?????????????????

Of course it will not matter what J Key says or does this afternoon – unless he dons ISIS garb and be-heads J Collins.
There will be some tiddly-arse “breaking news” item [EDIT – Now that pennryrates has awoken from a drug-induced reverie, the rates will have been paid???] that will seek to divert voters from issues that matter.

Anyone care to bet against that??
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August 24, 2014 8:40am
hj

Where Is The ‘Green” In Canada’s Green Party?
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2009/05/08/where-is-the-green-in-canadas-green-party-where-is-the-green-in-any-federal-party/

Immigration and new Canadians

Canada is a multicultural society with a strong history of welcoming immigrants and celebrating cultural diversity. Canada currently accepts about 300,000 new immigrants annually.

https://www.greenparty.ca/node/13368

Where’s the green in the NZ Green Party?

Let me say clearly now: the housing crisis is not the fault of recent migrants; the unemployment rate is not the fault of recent migrants; and asylum seekers are not a threat to us.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2014/06/03/immigration-the-green-party-perspective/

On balance, the available evidence suggests that migration, in conjunction with sluggish supply of new housing and associated land use restrictions, may
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have had a significant effect on house prices in New Zealand.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10
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August 24, 2014 8:40am
thedavincimode

A gloomy morning at Maison bruv. In bed with the curtains pulled until about mid-afternoon I reckon.
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August 24, 2014 8:41am
publicwatchdog

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Brand Key = DIRTY POLITICS.

You trying to protect ‘Brand Key’ with your dirty, unsubstantiated attack on me ‘IGM’?

Working from the out-of-control, party political ‘Office of the Prime Minister’ are you ‘IGM’?

Or connected with the politically exposed and discredited Cameron Slater (WhaleOil) or Cathy Odgers (Cactus Cate) are you ‘IGM’?

Come on – put your (real) name to your post – you gutless wonder.

Penny Bright
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August 24, 2014 8:42am
Tauhei Notts

It’s General Debate so I can have my little rant.
It is about the greed of banks.
Two weeks ago I put an AUD16,000 cheque in my NZ cheque account.
The next day I was watching Bonnie & Clyde, a movie about bank robbers. Somehow I wondered how much did the banks charge on the previous day’s transaction. I sought out movements in the AUD NZD crossrate the previous day. It fluctuated between 9122 and 9132. I took the WORST rate, that is 9132 and converted the AUD16,000 at that rate. The difference between that WORST rate and what the bank credited me with was NZD397.35. Bloody near 2.5% margin.
My point is that the greed of the banks is as relentless as the mindless drivel served up on the Hager stuff by the main stream media.
Once upon a time robbers burst into banks; guns blazing. Nowadays the robbers sit behind the counter at the bank.
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August 24, 2014 8:46am
SGA

@Tauhei Notts
“The lawyer with the briefcase can steal more money than the man with the gun.”
― Mario Puzo, The Godfather
🙂
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August 24, 2014 8:51am
Reid

connected with the politically exposed and discredited Cameron Slater (WhaleOil) or Cathy Odgers (Cactus Cate)

Penny I think the only people who hallucinate Cam or Cathy or Key or anyone else subject to this desperate smear campaign have been “discredited” fall into one or more of three categories:

(a) people like you who have always hallucinated that conservatives are evil
(b) the media
(c) people like Pete George who seems to hallucinate, period and who wouldn’t know real political analysis even if it reared up like one of those corpses on The Mummy Returns and tried to eat his brains.
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August 24, 2014 8:52am
thedavincimode

Oh do fuck off demented water woman. And stop bludging off your fellow ratepayers.
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August 24, 2014 8:55am
Redbaiter

Quote from John Key on Frontpage

“Mr Lusk might have a view if that’s what the papers show, and I haven’t read them but he may have a view that we’re not right wing enough. That’s actually the view of some other National Party members as well, but I am a centre right leader. I’ve demonstrated it in the nearly five years I’ve been Prime Minister, the way I want to lead the country. And if that’s not right wing enough for Simon Lusk well so be it, but it ain’t gonna change.”

Key claims to be “centre right”…

Except he’s happy to continue doing what he once called himself “communism by stealth”.

Leading NZ’s highest taxing govt ever, and NZ’s biggest govt ever, and taking around $80 billion from the population in taxes, this smug self satisfied leftist considers himself “centre right”???

What a joke. The group that propelled John Key to the leadership of the Nats are left wing progressives whose objective has always been to cut the heart out of the National Party and make it a de facto Labour party.

The support for John Key parallels the support for Obama in the US. A smile and a wave keeps the people happy while the country falls deeper and deeper into the left wing sewer.

Labour are bad sure, but people who so fervently support John Key need their heads looked at. He’s not the answer to leftist destruction of this country.
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August 24, 2014 8:57am
adze

Tauhei Notts
Eventually I see Bitcoin offering a far superior alternative for international money transfers. I agree the Banks are usurious when it comes to that.
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August 24, 2014 9:02am
Redbaiter

Tauhei Notts

Don’t use banks to do international transfers. You do that and get ripped off its your own fault. There are plenty of other services who will do it for a fraction of the rate your bank will.
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August 24, 2014 9:03am
Dennis Horne

Redbaiter. Maybe there is no answer, not everything has an answer. (Thinking it does is “answerism”.)

Redbaiter, if democracy is the answer what is the question?
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August 24, 2014 9:03am
publicwatchdog

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Got the same Wall Street ethics / ‘moral compass’ of Prime Minister John Key – have you ‘IGM’?

Penny Bright

(Who at least puts her name to her posts)
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August 24, 2014 9:04am
Nookin

OMG. Another scandal. A “new” donation to National from Liu. And, it has been “uncovered”!

Are the Nats still at it — receiving dosh from the troubled Mr Liu and covering it up? Surely not?

Nah. It’s not new. It’s three years old. And, it wasn’t “covered”. It was declared — accurately and according to the rules. But let’s not let the truth get in the way of scandal and innuendo, shall we?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10416871/New-Donghua-Liu-donation-uncovered
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August 24, 2014 9:07am
Redbaiter

Got the same Wall Street ethics / ‘moral compass’ of Prime Minister John Key – have you ‘IGM’?

Penny Bright

(Who at least puts her name to her posts)

Yes you put your name to your posts sure but the allegations you make against John Key are just the lowest of cowardly smears. You have no evidence of criminality or dishonesty by Key. Fuck off and come back when you do have you coward.
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August 24, 2014 9:11am
adze

Watching Q+A – Corin Dann is on the commentary panel! I wonder when he’ll announce his candidacy for the Labour Party? 🙂
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August 24, 2014 9:14am
All_on_Red

Pete
Cameron Slater is back soon. What’s the bet he starts releasing some of the emails from those on the left?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPT3RFTpSUw
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August 24, 2014 9:14am
Other_Andy

@Nookin

You would almost think there was a conspiracy of the ‘old media’ trying to influence the elections.
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August 24, 2014 9:14am
Nookin

“Got the same Wall Street ethics / ‘moral compass’ of Prime Minister John Key – have you ‘IGM’?”

Yet another example of pitbull Penny demonstrating that she abhors and will not engage in dirty politics in line with her promise on 22 August (GD @ 11.42). Of course, we know she doesn’t mean it. She broke her promise about an hour later.
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August 24, 2014 9:20am
Pete George

All_on_Red – he hasn’t gone away and no doubt he will continue attacking and outing people he opposes. But his credibility has been severely dented and he will be seen as toxic by many in National.

And the MSM will be viewing him in a very different light and will feed his agendas with much greater care – if at all.

He’s still there but is damaged goods.
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August 24, 2014 9:21am
BeaB

Creepy interview with a lawyer called Andrew Geddes on National Radio just now. When talking about blogs he repeatedly said, “If you allow…”
Of course the alternative to this is banning blogs – or at least the blogs Andrew Geddes doesn’t like. Dear me.
Then he said a crime was committed stealing the emails but it would be a waste of a crime if the proceeds weren’t made available to the public! So it’s okay to go and sell that iPad at the pub because once you’ve stolen it it’s a pity to let to go to waste!
The Lord help us. The polemic of our academics is always disturbing especially when they rely on their title of professor to give them credibility – and the suggestion of objectiveness.
I just hope all the bloggers continue their merry way, and continue to be as offensive as they choose, without the heavy, censoring hand of the Geddes of this world.
And let us, grown ups as we are, draw our own conclusions.
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August 24, 2014 9:22am
publicwatchdog

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How is Prime Minister John Key ‘working for New Zealand’ when he’s a shareholder in the crooked Bank of America’?

Check pg 30 of the current Register of MPs Financial Interests for yourself – if you are capable.

SEEK TRUTH FROM FACTS – you anonymous gutless wonders.

You have a LOVELY day – having so obviously jammed your personal attack buttons on FULL – I must be doing something right:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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August 24, 2014 9:22am
Elaycee

Got the same… ethics / ‘moral compass’ …

Oh, the irony.

Elaycee
(Who at least puts his name to his rates payments)
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August 24, 2014 9:25am
BeaB

I don’t know who you are Penny but you can’t possibly be as silly as you sound.
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August 24, 2014 9:27am
calendar girl

Here’s a link to the story mentioned at 8:08am above: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10417492/Arson-motive-believed-political . It won’t surprise anyone that the hoardings and trailer targeted were not those from the left of the political spectrum.

But whichever party is attacked (or culprit involved), this dangerous level of lawlessness – no doubt for narrow political ends – must be deterred, and promptly. It’s a crude, cowardly attack on democracy itself when a candidate’s property is subjected to arson, within the near vicinity of his home where he, his wife and his young children are sleeping.

Ultimately politics needs to be a contest of ideas, principles and their expression to the voting public, not an exercise for criminal thugs to intimidate or threaten law-abiding people in our communities.
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August 24, 2014 9:27am
publicwatchdog

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I don’t do personal political dirt Nookin.

You are confusing political with personal.

FYI – John Banks told me outside the Auckland High Court that he rather liked my banners.

So if John Banks isn’t taking offence – it somewhat undermines your sanctimonious whining – don’t you think?

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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August 24, 2014 9:30am
flipper

Are we surprised???

Lying Mike “Fat Tony” Williams (Labour’s previous version of Hager) trying (on Q+A) yet again to re-write the record over his failed ” JK – H-bomb” scandal.

Apart from DPF, all typical beltway types who would not have a clue how the great unwashed think, And it is very, very clear that they do not give a shit about political games that have been played since politics began. Before Rome?
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August 24, 2014 9:31am
Nookin

Ad hom politics is dirty politics Penny. That is what this is all about in case you have missed it. You do dirty politics. There is no issue to debate.

Meant in a gentle and informative way, of course. So John Banks likes your style. Isn’t he corrupt and portrayed by you as a rat? Birds of a feather?
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August 24, 2014 9:41am
hj

There’s nothing wrong with the N word per se except that it stems from a time when blacks bodies could be owned by whites.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12422/12422-h/12422-h.htm
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August 24, 2014 9:41am
Elaycee

Please stop mentioning the real name of the Dambusters dog…. it will send Milkmilo (and others wanting to rewrite history) apoplectic!
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August 24, 2014 9:47am
Redbaiter

“How is Prime Minister John Key ‘working for New Zealand’ when he’s a shareholder in the crooked Bank of America’?”

Millions of people hold shares in banks you stupid communist loon. You think they should sell those shares because some sandal wearing communist like you says the bank is corrupt? Fuck off with your loony assertions. Key LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON is entitled to hold shares in any organisation that lists them on the market and its not for cowards like you to call him corrupt for owning them. You live by the smear and that’s what makes you lowlife.
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August 24, 2014 9:49am
Pete George

I’ve notched up another ban on my belt, Russel through a hissy at me at Public Address. It startedv with this comment from Sacha:

all 3 parties, the politician, the blogger and the author, had controversial reputations

That’s just lazy rubbish. Two of the three are serial professional liars while the third is an internationally-respected investigative journalist who has never had a single fact in any of his books successfully challenged.

I successfully challenged that, providing links to several including DPF’s debunking of Hager’s claims about him.

The troops didn’t like that and started to attack me and call for me to be banned, and Russell obliged.

Sacha was the first to congratulate him.

Kiwiblog is a standout amongst our major political blogs – the rest clamp down on you if you challenge their message control.

Appreciate and the freedom we have to comment without any suppression of views. It’s a gift from DPF that may remain if we don’t abuse it.
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August 24, 2014 9:50am
adze

Good on you PG – lefty blogs (including their hosts) seem to have a much lower tolerance for dissent.
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August 24, 2014 9:54am
Ross12

Tauhei Notts

Where were looking at the rates ? Those published in “ordinary” media are usually the mid rate ( ie. mid between the bank buy and sell rates). Having said that the banks do get their “pound of flesh” with FX rates. I’ve always viewed them as a competitor in the FX situation in that they have to balance their books at the end of the day or week. When you went to sold your A$s they did not go off to find someone to buy them –they have their pool of A$s from which they add and sell during the day / week. They will want it to balance or make a profit at the end of that period.
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August 24, 2014 10:04am
All_on_Red

Pete
I don’t think Cameron’s credibility has been dented. If anything it’s been exposed he has pretty good sources! However I think that his motives have been laid bare, but then again, to those who follow his blog he has always been open about politics being a dirty business and that he just loves it. So his motives were very obvious too, simply, he hates the Left. And who can blame him.
To me that honesty is far more refreshing than the sanctimonious and disingenuous behaviour of many of our current crop of media commentators. That list is long.
I think Whale is loving this. Not so good for the Nats but his traffic must be through the roof.

Oh and good on you for speaking up at Public address
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August 24, 2014 10:13am
flash2846

How can there possibly be anything wrong with the word “nigger” It is featured on thousands of songs and used frequently in daily conversation as well as on television. So what’s the big deal?
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August 24, 2014 10:15am
Redbaiter

“How can there possibly be anything wrong with the word “nigger” ”

You just need to STFU you pissant white boy, and just keep on dancing to the tune of your black masters.
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August 24, 2014 10:17am
publicwatchdog

Real men would put their names to their posts – you gutless cowards.

Penny Bright
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August 24, 2014 10:23am
All_on_Red

Flash
I reckon you’ve got a point. Brown and Black people use the word with impunity but see a white man say it and look out. I have a theory that Blacks use it purely because they know whites can’t . I also think racism isn’t restricted to White people either…If the word is now in common usage then maybe nows the time we just accept that the original derogatory meaning has passed and nigger just means my black friend?
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August 24, 2014 10:25am
lurcher1948

Keep posting Penny,and dont let wackos like igm effect you
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August 24, 2014 10:26am
All_on_Red

Penny
Interesting brand of dirty politics you’ve got going on.
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August 24, 2014 10:26am
Nukuleka

Has anyone noticed that over on The Standard they seem to be getting a wee bit panicky that most New Zealanders aren’t falling for their Hager hatchet job and that John Key is still the most popular PM we have seen in many a while? They are advising their comrades to always use negative terms when referring to the government, the National Party and Key. Perhaps that’s why overnight National Party billboards along Bealey Ave in Chch now sport the word ‘lying’ across them. Now who could possibly be responsible for this?
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August 24, 2014 10:26am
Other_Andy

Refracking brings ‘vintage’ oil and gas wells to life

http://news.yahoo.com/refracking-brings-vintage-oil-gas-wells-life-051230331.html

Better ban that in New Zealand before companies are pumping up more gas, make a profit, add to the tax base, create jobs and make us more independent of foreign imports.
VOTE GREEN!
We’ll stop the economy dead in its tracks!
Ban, tax and regulate!
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August 24, 2014 10:31am
Nukuleka

Sorry to say but black rap music and black ‘culture’ appear to use this ‘n’ term without impunity. It’s a bit like the word ‘queer’. Straights weren’t supposed to use this allegedly derogatory word to denote gays either, until the gays themselves decided it was an okay term.

Whatever happened to the old adage about ‘sticks and stones’? We’re all just a wee bit precious it seems to me.
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August 24, 2014 10:31am
publicwatchdog

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If John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia he would be prohibited from owning shares in the Bank of America – or any other company.

FACT.

This is how NZ is SO corrupt – corrupt conflicts of interest are seen as normal, acceptable behaviour.

Perhaps if you had been to FOUR international anti-corruption conferences, listened to and met the experts, studied the material and put your mind to the corruption REALITY in NZ – you’d have a clue.

At the moment – you don’t.

(Meant of course in a caring way:)

Penny Bright
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August 24, 2014 10:32am
big bruv

Paid your rates yet Penny?

Or are you still sucking from the public tit?
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August 24, 2014 10:33am
flash2846

@ All_on_Red – Yeah, totally agree. One of our group at uni was/is Persian; our nickname for him was “raggy”. No one cared because most students aren’t dumb enough to see an insult where there isn’t one.

@ Redbaiter – Who said I was white?

@ publicwatchdog – Penny, I hope you weren’t referring to me with that “gutless….” comment.
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August 24, 2014 10:41am
oldpark

Flash back, Doesn’t seem that long ago when the commie Green Taleban Party were caught smashing National Party signs.The sign terrorist had a girl friend in Russel Normans office.go figure.That type of result destroyed the goodie two shoes image of such a sneaky dirty little no electoral seat ” Green” commie party .Their aim if elected is to take over the lifestyle life of NZs and turn the country into a NORTH KOREA of the SOUTH PACIFIC.Like all communists, by sneaky questionable methods,and their attempted bribing of the so called academics and others.
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August 24, 2014 10:41am
Redbaiter

Listen Penny, John key might be a slly little prog wanker without a political clue, but he is not corrupt and you have no evidence to say he is. Your campaign is just a campaign of dishonest smears.

Even John Banks is not corrupt. He’s actually a good man. He’s just a bloody fool politically. But he does not deserve the smears against his character that you have leveled against him.

Your strategy is smears and it is the strategy of the coward.
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August 24, 2014 10:42am
adze

Real men would put their names to their posts

Is that some misandry from our dear Penny? Why not “people of principle would put their names to their posts”?

That can’t have been meant in a very caring way!
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August 24, 2014 10:44am
Southern Raider

Great “Free Palestine” rally in London yesterday.

There was tents to sign up to the Socilaist Workers Party, t shirts with “Hamas Hamas. Gas The Jews” and a lonely peaceful Israeli flag wearing older gentlemen was escorted away by police to the nearest underground
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August 24, 2014 10:46am
Pete George

They are advising their comrades to always use negative terms when referring to the government, the National Party and Key.

That will really help Labour’s ‘Vote positive’ message, won’t it.

You can easily plan an election campaign but it’s a lot harder to change old school political activists.

And related to this and banning, I once suggested to The Standard that a more positive inclusive blog would help Labour’s chances rather than attacking anyone deemed right or not the right left. They banned me for trying to tell them how to run their blog.
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August 24, 2014 10:49am
doggone7

flipper; “Lying Mike “Fat Tony” Williams (Labour’s previous version of Hager) trying (on Q+A) yet again to re-write the record over his failed ” JK – H-bomb” scandal.”

Exactly how was Williams re-writing the record? Is the “record” not true? How do you know what the truth is?
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August 24, 2014 10:50am
Southern Raider

One of the real issues with Muslims is their reproduction rate. People used to have 10 kids because you expected 8 of them would die due to disease, malnutrition etc.

No we have the western health system and the UN who support this excessive lifecycle.

Does take a brain surgeon to work out average of 2 for a judeo/Christian/Asian family versus average of 8 to 10 for a Muslim family is going to cause some issues
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August 24, 2014 10:55am
lilman

Penny youre mad as a cut snake.

Pay your rates you thief,every day you are stealing from your neighbours.

Disgrace is your standard.
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August 24, 2014 10:56am
Reid

That will really help Labour’s ‘Vote positive’ message, won’t it.

Haven’t you worked out yet Pete that the Vote Positive message is a meme to allow Liarbore to pretend they stand above the affray they knew was coming when they planned that meme?

It’s a meme. Look up the meaning of that word.
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August 24, 2014 10:57am
Viking2

publicwatchdog (2,236 comments) says:
August 24th, 2014 at 10:23 am

Real men would put their names to their posts – you gutless cowards.

Penny Bright
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Real women would be home in the kitchen cooking us fresh hot scones and doing the housework.

Not screaming insults and untruths at others.
Oh and real women pay their rates.

Meant in guiding manner to correct your ways.
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August 24, 2014 10:59am
stephieboy

Southern Raider ,

Are you suggesting that all Muslims need to undergo some form of mass sterilization. i

Are e.g Latin American Catholics experiencing a marked decline in their birthrates.?
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August 24, 2014 11:02am
Milburn35

Twyford on Q+A this morning was wafting on about Labours housing policy. Kiwi Build will bring affordable housing for ordinary kiwis he said. We will free up government land for this purpose. I thought Labour were against state assets being sold.Between $300,000 to $400,000 would be the cost of these affordable homes, he said. Anybody who purchases one of these could put it on the open market and double their investment in no time. No doubt Labour will have some clause in the sale and purchase agreement that people who buy these affordable homes will not be able to sell them for umpteen years to avoid speculation. I do not live in Auckland but the so called housing crisis in Auckland is because Auckland will never have enough houses because the population growth is out of control. Labour has some ridiculous polices and housing is one of them.
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August 24, 2014 11:18am
Slipster

I see Penny – the female “public dog” lies again:
“If John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia he would be prohibited from owning shares in the Bank of America – or any other company.”
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FYI dear:
“In early 1999, the government [Australian] announced that ministers would no longer be required to divest themselves of shareholdings.[29]”
-and even before that:
“The code required ministers to divest shares in portfolios that they oversaw” (emphasis mine).

Quoted from Wiki with further references listed there.

But keep on lying Penny, keep lying.
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August 24, 2014 11:28am
macdee

Reid, I think your right that Labour knew what was coming, too much of a coincidence, McCarten will be donkey deep in it, so did Gower if his evasive response when Plunkett fronted him last week is anything to go by, this story has further to run as the left’s dirty tricks start to leak out
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August 24, 2014 11:29am
Southern Raider

Stephieboy just pointing out you have a large and rapidly growing culture who contribute little to their host countries, take everything they can and force their requirements onto the greater population
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August 24, 2014 11:36am
Nookin

“Real men would put their names to their posts – you gutless cowards.

Penny Bright”

Penny, there is absolutely no need or justification whatsoever for you to demand the names of people commenting and criticising them because they happen to use pseudonyms.

Using a pseudonym has nothing to do with courage or cowardice. Using a real name should neither add to nor detract from comments, arguments or opinions. They should speak for themselves. Their validity should be self evident and not dependent on the identity, occupation or political persuasion of the author.

I try to make what I say speak for itself. You do not need to know the person behind my comments. My responses to posts made by you would be exactly the same whether I knew your name or not. As far as I am concerned, your identity is wholly irrelevant. So is mine.

The only conceivable reason that you would want to know who may be making any comments is to focus on the person and not the problem.

Your anger and frustration at not knowing who is criticising you simply illustrates your vindictiveness.

Sure, there are a number of commenters who are hiding behind pseudonyms and may not necessarily make the same comments under their own names. However, I think you will find that 95% of the people on this blog ignore most of those comments anyway.

You do not know my name. You may not know my profession because I have not hidden it. However, otherwise you know nothing about me and your posts, in the past, indicates that you feel yourself to be at a disadvantage as a result. Well, I have rather sad news for you. You would gain absolutely nothing by knowing my real name or the names of most of the other commenters. You might gain some degree of satisfaction in googling them and engaging in stereotyping and bigotry. That, adds nothing to the debate.

You may be upset about what you perceive to be an aggressiveness towards you. That is entirely of your own making. Virtually all of your posts are barbed with antagonism and are designed to be provocative (negatively so) and critical. Some people responding to you go overboard. Ignore them. Do not however it ignore people who question the double standards that you apply, the sweeping and derogatory statements that you make (usually only about people in the blue spectrum of the political arena – Key in particular).

Surprisingly, you may even find that if you modified your position and engaged in reason rather than provocation, you might find that people here agree with some of your comments (if not the way you want to go about them). Cameron Slater, for example, has advocated an independent body to deal with corruption and electoral offences.

If you really want to contribute, think very carefully about what you want to achieve and the most efficacious way of going about it. Antagonising people is not the answer. Adopting a one sided and extreme approach to a position is not the answer. If you have not learned that from the last couple of weeks, then I very seriously suggest you sit down and reconsider what you are doing, why you are doing it and how best you should proceed.

Meant in a constructive way, of course.
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August 24, 2014 11:39am
Don the Kiwi

Nookin.

You’re wasting your time trying to be nice to Penny the Public Watch Bitch. (she can’t be a watchdog – she’s female – Isn’t she ;-))

She’s just a disgusting lying bludger who can’t see past her own self absorption.
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August 24, 2014 11:52am
Milburn35

Another thing on Q+A this morning. Mike Williams was accused of going to Melbourne in the Helen Clark era to dig dirt up on JK. Key had been accused of having an illegal trade in the futures market which he was later cleared. Williams said he was not there to dig up dirt, he was just doing research. Not one word from Wood or Dann on this reply. Fair and balanced. Yea right
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August 24, 2014 11:53am
DJP6-25

flipper 8:40 am. You hit the nail on the head.
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August 24, 2014 11:55am
Other_Andy

Southern Raider says at 10:46 am

Great “Free Palestine” rally in London yesterday.
There was tents to sign up to the Socilaist Workers Party, t shirts with “Hamas Hamas. Gas The Jews” and a lonely peaceful Israeli flag wearing older gentlemen was escorted away by police to the nearest underground

Hamas T-Shirts….
That is so 2014 SR.
They now have T-shirts of Hitler wearing a Free Palestinr T shirt*.

http://tinyurl.com/pjtjrwj

Now that is edgy!

*That is for people who were still wondering what side Hamas and the Hamas supporting islamofascist scum were on.
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August 24, 2014 12:08pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Ninety Mile beach?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP3RyPHdPM0
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August 24, 2014 12:11pm
waikatosinger

Penny,

How is John Key owning shares in the Bank of America a conflict of interest. Nothing John Key can do is going to have much influence on that bank one way or another. Surely it is less of a conflict of interest to own shares in a foreign company that doesn’t do business in New Zealand than it would be to own shares in a New Zealand company that the actions of the government could directly effect.

John Key is a wealthy man. Where do you think he should invest his wealth. Penny, that would be less of a conflict of interest than the Bank of America?
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August 24, 2014 12:11pm
calendar girl

Redbaiter @ 10:42am – Well said, Red. You challenge Penny Bright directly on her campaign of deeply-offensive ad hominem smears which she wages behind her adopted facade of ‘playing the fool’. There’s not much that’s light-hearted, though, in Penny’s calculated smearing. Many of her personal attacks range from distorted through to brazenly misleading. She is no paragon of virtue to be labelling as ‘corrupt’ good people doing their best in the service of our country.

And Penny, after your little outburst at 10:23am (“Real men would put their names to their posts – you gutless cowards.”), before you challenge me as well to publish my name, go back to my comment to you a couple of days ago about why those of us in business or in paid employment don’t enjoy your full ‘freedoms’. You didn’t address that issue then, or my observation about your tactic of smearing and defaming public figures while using the device of an ‘innocuous’ question to protect you from Court action.

Serious political discourse can do without your ad hominems, Penny, which are far from as clever or as fearless as you would have us believe.
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August 24, 2014 12:13pm
Fletch

We now know why Obama came back to Washington the other day for the day, before heading back out to his golfing vacation.
A bachelor party.

In addition to golf, the president’s vacation scorecard included three dinners out, two beach days, one bike ride, a jazz concert and a fund-raiser for Senate Democrats. Not to mention a five-hour bachelor party Monday in the Washington home of former White House chef Sam Kass.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/barack-obama-marthas-vineyard-presidential-vacations/

The guy is just living it up while the world goes to hell.
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August 24, 2014 12:41pm
stigie

“John Key is a wealthy man. Where do you think he should invest his wealth. Penny, that would be less of a conflict of interest than the Bank of America?”

Penny thinks his wealth should be given to the so called people in poverty to do what they want with it and still thinks hes a nasty “Rich Prick”. Bludgers like Penny should be shouted down !~
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August 24, 2014 12:43pm
Fletch

About time.
Hollywood heavyweights, including Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Sylvester Stallone, author a letter standing up for Israel.

We, the undersigned, are saddened by the devastating loss of life endured by Israelis and Palestinians in Gaza. We are pained by the suffering on both sides of the conflict and hope for a solution that brings peace to the region.

While we stand firm in our commitment to peace and justice, we must also stand firm against ideologies of hatred and genocide which are reflected in Hamas’ charter, Article 7 of which reads, “There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” The son of a Hamas founder has also commented about the true nature of Hamas.

Hamas cannot be allowed to rain rockets on Israeli cities, nor can it be allowed to hold its own people hostage. Hospitals are for healing, not for hiding weapons. Schools are for learning, not for launching missiles. Children are our hope, not our human shields.

We join together in support of the democratic values we all cherish and in the hope that the healing and transformative power of the arts can be used to build bridges of peace.

Michael Adler
Avi Arad
Tom Arnold
Jeff Astrof
Craig Balsam
Gary Barber
Roseanne Barr
Elana Barry
Jonathan Baruch
Aaron Bay-Schuck
Lainie Sorkin Becky
Steven Bensusan
Adam Berkowitz
Greg Berlanti
Jordan Berliant
Mayim Bialik
Joshua P Binder
Todd Black
Michael Borkow
Scooter Braun
Dan Brecher
Eric Brooks
Dan Bucatinsky
David Byrnes
Omri Casspi
Josh Charles
Etan Cohen
Joe Cohen
Marc Dauer
Craig David
Donald De Line
Matt DelPiano
Josh Deutsch
Minnie Driver
Jack Dytman
Lee Eisenberg
Doug Ellin
Diane English
Dan Erlij
Ron Fair
Dave Feldman
James Feldman
Patti Felker
Sam Fischer
Erica Forster
Gary Foster
Doug Frank
Bryan J. Freedman
Geordie E. Frey
William Friedkin
Daryl Friedman
Michael Fricklas
Jeremy Garelick
Ran Geffen-Lifshitz
Andrew Genger
Jody Gerson
Risa Gertner
Jami Gertz
Gary Ginsberg
David Glick
Jonathan Glickman
Evan Goldberg
Gil Goldschein
Tony Goldwyn
Nate Goodman
Marc Graboff
Kelsey Grammer
Trudy Green
Adam Griffin
Iris Grossman
Phil Hacker
Sanaa Hamri
Adi Hasak
Ned Haspel
Andrew Hurwitz
Kathy Ireland
Bill Jacobson
Neil Jacobson
Jonathan Jakubowicz Nathan Kahane
Adam Kaller
Zach Katz
Ryan Kavanaugh
Ron Kenan
Larry Kennar
Kevin King-Templeton
Michael Kives
Courtney Kivowitz
Patrick Knapp
Amanda Kogan
Steven Kram
Erik Kritzer
Peter Landesman
Eriq La Salle
Sherry Lansing
Estelle Lasher
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Keili Lefkovitz
Carol Leifer
Avi Lerner
Colin Lester
Ben Levine
Susan Levinson
David Levy
Shuki Levy
Linda Lichter
Jonathan Littman
David Lonner
Benji Madden
Joel Madden
Bill Maher
Joshua Malina
Rob Markus
Orly Marley
Ziggy Marley
Bill Masters
Barry McPherson
Brian Medavoy
Jeff Melman
Scott Melrose
Jeffrey D. Melvoin
Rina Mimoun
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Alan Nierob
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James Packer
Scott Packman
Amy Pascal
Donald S. Passman
Brett Paul
Linda Perry
Richard Plepler
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Dean Raise
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Phil Rosenthal
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Sylvester Stallone
Norman Steinberg
Gary Stiffelman
Gene Stupnitsky
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Nick Styne
Danny Sussman
Traci Szymanski
Nina Tassler
Adam Taylor
Mitch Tenzer
Fred D. Toczek
Michael Tolkin
Jonathan Tropper
Paul Wachter
Nina Wass
Avi Wasserman
Steven Weber
Bernie Weinraub
Jerry Weintraub
David N. Weiss
Alan Wertheimer
Ron West
Nikki Wheeler
Bryan Wolf
Sharon Tal Yguado
Pete Yorn
Rick Yorn

http://www.creativecommunityforpeace.com/justice/
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August 24, 2014 12:44pm
Redbaiter

“Bludgers like Penny should be shouted down !~”

You should go easy on Penny you slimy little prog crawler. If she wasn’t around there’d be nothing to make you look passable.
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August 24, 2014 12:54pm
Southern Raider

Fletch and Obama fitted in time to veto the senate who wanted to ship more weapons to Israel

His true colours are more than in the open now.

Fuck he’s starting to make Jimmy Carter look good.
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August 24, 2014 12:56pm
Southern Raider

Fletch I’m waiting for The Expendables 4 to come out where their mission is to take down Hamas and ISIS
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August 24, 2014 12:57pm
MH

it’s not the nougat reference I object to in the filum about bombing hydro electric installations …it’s the overuse od D— and b–ters that offends me.
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August 24, 2014 1:03pm
stephieboy

Southern Raider, for any US President Including GWB as well as Obama , whilst supporting israel, it also involves a balancing act that will ensure a durable and lasting peace for all concerned .
That in the end attempts to seek compromise and equal concessions from all. A lop sided approach favouring only one side is to guarantee further conflict and war.
BTW it s a little known fact that Jimmy Carter initiated and started a process by giving military aid to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that in turn drew the Soviet union into there hoping to eventually undermine and destroy the Soviet state.
He succeeded beyond his and anyones wildest dreams
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August 24, 2014 1:13pm
stephieboy

Southern Raider, for any US President Including GWB as well as Obama , whilst supporting israel, it also involves a balancing act that will ensure a durable and lasting peace for all concerned .
That in the end attempts to seek compromise and equal concessions from all. A lop sided approach favouring only one side is to guarantee further conflict and war.
BTW it s a little known fact that Jimmy Carter initiated and started a process by giving military aid to the Mujhadadeeen in Afghanistan that in turn drew the Soviet union in there hoping to eventually undermine and destroy the Soviet state.
He succeeded beyond his and anyones wildest dreams
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August 24, 2014 1:26pm
RF

We must not forget that the Green Party are nothing but filthy communists and a danger to our society. Add to this smelly soap dodgers.

Norman was a member of the Socialist Workers Party in Australia with connections to the Revolutionary Marxist Leninist organisation and when he was run out of town he slithered over here to NZ.

His mate Kermit was a founding member of the Random Trollops and the McGillicudy Serious Party. She was also a member of Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party. The next time you see her frumping around in her designer clothes and snearing at the poor, remember this.
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August 24, 2014 1:29pm
adze

RF I am not a fan of Turei but I don’t think she’s ever sneered at the poor. I am happy to be proven wrong.
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August 24, 2014 1:37pm
Jack5

Hager the Horrible’s anonymous hacker who steals other emails may be ahead of this warning, which is about how vulnerable Gmail etc can be to a hack. I still reckon Hager the Horrible’s source is likely to be a Leftist in, or previously in, the GCSB.

But this should make people careful about what they transmit or receive through Gmail:

http://www.zdnet.com/how-to-hack-gmail-92-percent-of-the-time-7000032877/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61
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August 24, 2014 1:41pm
Johnboy

She doe’s do a fine, expensive selection of bones and jade round her frumpy fat neck at times though adze! 🙂
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August 24, 2014 1:43pm
stigie

You forgot homo, knuckledragging, communist coward Reddy. FFS get with ole chap and lighten up !~
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