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August 22, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 22 August 2014

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Redbaiter

“I also am strongly opposed caving in to threats of violence.”

So am I but there’s not many like us around Chuck.

Spineless sickly white liberals who are socially and politically ascendant today would cave in at the drop of a hat on most issues.

if they stood up for what was right, someone might call them “racist..!!!”

Or even worse, someone might claim to be “offended”.

They’d soon crawl back into their warrens.
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August 22, 2014 11:11am
RightNow

Anyhoo, I take it the Greens aren’t so much against Whaling any more.
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August 22, 2014 11:12am
Elaycee

Is it a coincidence some of the biggest bleats and whinges about Cameron Slater and WOBH are emanating from commenters who have been shown the arse card from….. Whale Oil?

Who’da thought? 😛
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August 22, 2014 11:13am
Pete George

Selective morality RN.
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August 22, 2014 11:14am
RightNow

Judith: “Have you read this mornings dump – very entertaining.”

I can only assume you’ve been analysing your stool:

http://www.oprah.com/health/Everybody-Poops

“It should be an S shape and you want to make sure the color’s normal because the color of the poop tells you a lot about how you made it,” Dr. Oz says
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August 22, 2014 11:19am
Redbaiter

Cameron Slater bills Simon Lusk $5K for “social media management”.

No matter, I reckon all those Whale sycophants he calls his army like being used and manipulated.

Its probably a sexual thing with them.

Or maybe just another example of the Jim Jones syndrome.
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August 22, 2014 11:23am
Tom Barker

Both Cameron Slater and Judith Collins state their personal creed as “If you can’t be loved, be feared.” But what if you can no longer be feared? Be pitied? Be despised? Any other suggestions?
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August 22, 2014 11:25am
alloytoo

@Judith

I wasn’t aware Slater’s bank offered an email service.

@Penny

Your silence suggests you condone Phil Goff’s bullying public servants and lying to the media.

Also suggests you’re a partisan player. Who’s financing you Penny, how many times have you been to the Mansion?

None I wager, I reckon you’re too low on the ladder to visit your real boss.

Who watches the watchdog?
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August 22, 2014 11:28am
publicwatchdog

Crikey!

Seen THIS Kiwibloggers?

Just as well Cameron Slater is a friend / supporter of the National Party – hate to see what he would do as an enemy ….

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http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/bill-english-pious-hypocrite/#more-151436

BILL ENGLISH IS A PIOUS HYPOCRITE

by Cameron Slater on August 22, 2014 at 10:00am

Some days ago Bill English was piously claiming that he would never do anything dirty like talk to a blogger.

This came as a huge surprise as anyone that has been around the National Party for as long as I have knows all sorts of exceptionally dodgy stuff Bill English has done in the past to get his own way. The stories are endless and probably should come out.

We could start with tipping out Bolger, which the brat pack were behind. Then there was the tipping out of Shipley so Bill could take National to 21% in the polls. Then there was the brutal internal war when Don Brash managed to beat Bill and put National back in play in the 2005. Then there was the nasty stuff extracting Utu on people who supported Key for leader when Bill could only muster 7 out of 48 votes.

Since Bill is trying to convince the public he is holier than thou there probably should be some stories coming out about the nasty, deceitful and horrible campaigns he has run in the past.
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I guess the following words of wisdom – (weren’t they from former National Prime Minister Robert Muldoon?)

“WHEN YOU’RE IN A HOLE – STOP DIGGING!”

weren’t drummed into Cameron Slater from an early age?

Looks like the 2014 National Party election campaign going to be harpooned by ‘the Whale’?

bugger

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 11:33am
kowtow

Integration?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11049851/More-British-Muslims-fight-in-Syria-than-in-UK-Armed-Forces.html
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August 22, 2014 11:40am
Nookin

Given that the news media is not even remotely interested in any sort of objective analysis of policies and has become utterly addicted to screaming headlines (many of which there are no resemblance to the following stories), most of which are focusing on the dirty politics of one side only, I have decided to take a rest from radio and television news. I am finding it very therapeutic.

I still try to catch up with news items that effect in areas of professional interest – such as employment law. I noted this headline today:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/10411669/Father-fined-17k-for-sacking-son
So, it seems, I still cannot escape from the sheer bloody incompetence of idiots who should not be allowed within a kilometre of a pen, keyboard or computer.

To the blithering idiot who wrote this headline, a “fine” is a penalty imposed. Usually it involves going to court or some other tribunal that has authority to impose penal sanctions. Sometimes, we get spot fines although I think that they may be called infringement fees. When a civil court or tribunal awards compensation, it is not “fining” somebody. It is actually reimbursing an aggrieved party for losses incurred as a result of a breach of employment obligations. In this case it included holiday pay entitlements, lost wages and compensation for the way in which the father went about it. There was not a penal element involved.

The standard of journalism in this country is spiralling downwards and is becoming less and less responsible. I guess “farm worker compensated for unjustified dismissal” is not sound sufficiently dramatic despite its accuracy.
Sorry to distract anyone from their fixation with “dirty politics”.
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August 22, 2014 11:41am
MH

its all become “blog and tell’ Blog’n hell
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August 22, 2014 11:51am
flash2846

Well said Nookin, I have also switched off the msm and talk-back radio.
My next project which I will force myself to find the time for is to list all the advertisers on TV3, TVNZ, The Herald etc, write of my disgust to their respective directors. I will then pass details on to Kiwiblog and Whaleoil patrons.
I won’t be buying products/services from these businesses unless absolutely necessary.
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August 22, 2014 11:55am
Chuck Bird

“So am I but there’s not many like us around Chuck.”

RB, others may have seen I have been very strong on criticizing really nasty racist anti Maori comments.

Like Don Brash and Winston I am opposed to the Maori seats. Neither of them are anti-Maori.

Key suggest we leave it up to Maori. What does he mean by that – those on the Maori role?

If not how else could Maori vote on it.

Should we allow body snatching as long as the majority of Tuhoe approve of it.

That is another example of caving into violence.
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August 22, 2014 12:13pm
alloytoo

@Penny

It would appear you have competition in the “Publicwatchdog” stakes.

Slater’s article on English supports his assertion that he “calls em like he sees em.”

You on the other hand have yet to comment on Phil Goff’s lying and bullying.

Is there a reason why Penny?

Who’s pulling your strings?

A large German puppet master perhaps?
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August 22, 2014 12:20pm
HB

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11306513

“Police numbers are being cut in Hawke’s Bay despite statistics showing those already in the job are struggling to cope with the worst crime rates in the country.”
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August 22, 2014 12:20pm
stephieboy

Kim Dotcom fights to keep fortune secret,

“Internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom is appealing a judgment ordering him to reveal his total fortune to a group of Hollywood music and movie studios.
Dotcom was ordered to make full disclosure of his assets, including those not subject to current freezing orders, in a decision released by Justice Patricia Courtney last month.
Justice Courtney’s judgment gave Dotcom until today to reveal his assets.
Dotcom’s lawyer, Tracey Walker, said Dotcom was appealing the judgment. She would not say why……”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60749011/kim-dotcom-fights-to-keep-fortune-secr

Hmmmm…!

Laila Harre undoubtedly looking fervently back over her shoulders. ?
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August 22, 2014 12:30pm
hj

The mystery of the pause in global warming may have been solved. The answer seems to lie at the bottom of the sea
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613161-mystery-pause-global-warming-may-have-been-solved-answer-seems?
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August 22, 2014 12:38pm
rangitoto

Why does anyone give a shit whether or not John Key learned that Phil Goff was a liar three years ago?
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August 22, 2014 12:47pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – just been published on the NBR:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/national-key-take-knock-post-hager-digipoll-ck-161236

#12 by Penny Bright

For the public to have confidence in Government at the highest levels, we must have genuine transparency, accountability and the ‘highest ethical standards’.

The FACTS that have been revealed through Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ prove that New Zealand’s ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’, is meaningless garbage.

In my considered opinion, the party political, unregulated Office of the Prime Minister, is completely out of control.

In my considered opinion, and clear understanding, it’s the supposedly apolitical, impartial DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET (DPMC) that should be handling OIA requests/ replies and dealing with the SIS – NOT the Office of the Prime Minister.

Why is no one else focusing on this pivotal issue?

Where is the ‘Rule of Law’ / regulations / protocols and procedures that are supposed to guide how things are to be done in a proper way at the highest levels of Government in New Zealand?

How are Ministers to be held accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’, by the Prime Minister (as set out in the Cabinet Manual), when the moral compass of John Key is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

ie: No laws / rules / regulations/ ethics / morals – just unbridled free-market casino capitalism at its most debauched?

How does Prime Minister John Key who has come directly from that Wall Street banker environment, detoxify, and transmogrify into a decent, honorable Statesman, committed to serving the public and the public interest?

It appears that he doesn’t / hasn’t – and now our New Zealand has been contaminated at the highest levels with these ‘Wall Street’ ways.

Time for a HUGE clean out?

I think so.

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 12:49pm
Chuck Bird

This sort of pettiness is what is bad for race relations not expecting non-racist election laws.

‘Kia ora’ is New Zealand English.

Teen quits job after boss tells her not to say ‘kia ora’
8:16 AM Friday Aug 22, 2014

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11312627
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August 22, 2014 12:57pm
m@tt

@rangitoto.
“Why does anyone give a shit whether or not John Key learned that Phil Goff was a liar three years ago?”
Exactly. He should have been told by Tucker, and was according to his own words, because that was the no surprises policy! As I said before he should have said ‘Yes, Tucker told me about it, and so what?”
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August 22, 2014 1:02pm
publicwatchdog

No one ‘pulls my strings’ ‘alloytoo’ – whoever you are.

Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

Good luck with that – you’ll need it……

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

(Who at least puts her name to her posts.)
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August 22, 2014 1:03pm
Albert_Ross

Thanks OneTrack
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August 22, 2014 1:07pm
stigie

This book may come back and bite you hard on the bum Penny !~

(Meant of course in a caring sort of way)
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August 22, 2014 1:09pm
Lucia Maria

Redbaiter,

They can go down and if half of NZ doesn’t know how bad Labour and the rest will be for them then its time they found out the hard way.

If Key loses we kill two birds with one stone. Free National from the grip of the Progressives and give those braindead knuckle draggers sucked in by the extreme left a chance to learn the lesson they need so badly to learn.

Sure, pain for a term or two, but after that, all good.

Well worth it. Nothing else will get National back to the party it was meant to be. Nothing else will rid NZ of the communist plague.

That never works. All it does is entrench the communists even more.
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August 22, 2014 1:16pm
graham

publicwatchdog at 1:03 pm:

Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

Yes, I think it’s terrible how some people use blogs to try and discredit people. Wouldn’t you agree, Penny?

*cough* http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_22_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1386611 *cough*
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August 22, 2014 1:20pm
Nookin

Penny

The SIS handles OIRs where the request relates to information held by the SIS.
The Prime Minister does not handle OIR requests on behalf of the SIS.
The PM may be informed of a request under the “no surprises” convention but he does not approve or veto such requests.
Tucker handled the request in this case. He also sought his own legal advice. He informed the PMs office under the “no surprises” rule. He also informed the PM’s office that there were no legal grounds to deny the request. What he wrong to say that? If so, why and on what grounds?
No-one, at least as far as I can see, has ever said that Key was instrumental in the request. The issue is when and how he came to know of it, if at all.
What specific facts or statutory provisions have you considered in reaching your “considered” opinion that it is the function of DPMC to handle OIA requests directed at the SIS?
Assume, for the moment (without any evidence to substantiate the conclusion), that Key approved the request and that his approval was simply recognition that the request could not be denied, on what basis do you assert that it was wrong and not in the public interest to release papers that showed that the leader of the opposition was telling lies?

Here is an extract from an article by one Nicky Hager (http://www.nickyhager.info/where-are-you-ethically-a-speech-to-the-to-the-records-management-association-of-australasia-conference-10-september-2007/)
I would like you to read this and tell me whether it is appropriate for the public to know that Mr Goff can be a nasty and vindictive person as evidenced by the events that Hager unfolds?

Will you consider, for a moment, that your criticisms are founded more in bigotry and prejudice and an objective consideration of all issues?

“Although my right, under our freedom of information laws, to the thirty-year-old documents was clear, there are all sorts of tricks that agencies can play to thwart a requester. The first tactic was delays. It should take 20 owrking days, but it took about a year of effort and negotiation with the agences concerned to get agreement that they would release the documents. Then, just when I thought I was about to receive them, the officials referred my requests to the relevant Minister for ‘consultation’. This was the beginning of more months of delay, during which some faceless Ministerial adviser appears to have decided that this old history might not be a good news story for the government. As a result, they used one of the tricks of the trade of this new breed of information controllers.

After waiting over a year and expending lots of time to get the East Timor information, the Minister (Phil Goff) finally sent the pile of documents to me in the post on a Friday afternoon. But at the same time it was posted to me, and a few days before I would receive it, the same bundle of documents was delivered without explanation to every media organisation in the parliamentary press gallery. You can see the point of the trick. With no background or understanding of the issue, and Friday night drinks approaching, the journalists leafed through the released papers and whipped off quick and immemorable stories. But by the time the envelope arrived in my letterbox there was little prospect of me being able to use the same information for a more substantial story.”
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August 22, 2014 1:41pm
Paulus

Am I correct in that Whale’s blogsite was not the subject of collecting stolen emails, but these were stolen from his personal email account.
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August 22, 2014 1:44pm
Nookin

correction to last post.
Should have been “… more in bigotry and prejudice than an objective…
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August 22, 2014 1:54pm
cha

The gift that keeps on giving…

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Cameron Slater, 3/14, 11:00pm

http://thestandard.org.nz/chart-of-the-day-measuring-success/

Theya re running Key is jinxed and cursed

the previous post this morning was how National caused the earthquake and oil and food shocks
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Simon Lusk, 3/14, 11:07pm

they are fucken stupid

all they have to do is have faith

gerry will totally fuck up the rebuild

i’ll do you a post
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Cameron Slater, 3/14, 11:08pm

lol

too true
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August 22, 2014 1:58pm
stigie

Good summary Nookin but quite sure that will go right over Pennys head !~
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August 22, 2014 2:08pm
Dean Papa

The rank hypocrisy of the rightards never fails to amuse. Imagine the outrage if dotcom had referred to a section of the Kiwi public as ‘scum’. The faux outrage meter would be off the scale. DPF would not doubt have done one of his utterly predictable posts on the topic. And what a dimbulb Slater has turned out to be -fancy allowing yourself to get hacked! He has let down all his Nat mates, especially crusher collins! What an utter humiliation it must be, the mere thought of a dweeb like Hager ferreting thru all your private emails!! The sense of anger, and violation, must be over-whelming!!
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August 22, 2014 2:16pm
RightNow

publicwatchdog (2,211 comments) says:
August 22nd, 2014 at 11:00 am

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

Oh jebus, not another mad old biddie analysing her stool, please!
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August 22, 2014 2:27pm
publicwatchdog

Nookin – try looking on the DPMC website – for yourself.

Like I have done:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 2:31pm
alloytoo

@Penny

Seems I touched a nerve Penny, are my questions a little too close to home, is your bias and hypocrisy a little too exposed.

I ask questions Penny, questions which you usually fail to answer. I don’t need to discredit you Penny, your own actions do that for themselves.

So here are some questions:

1. Have you paid your rates?
2. Have you made restitution to Auckland city for your part in the costs and damages related to your October 2011 squatting in Aotea Square.
3. Why haven’t you condemned Phil Goff for bullying public servants for lying to the public.
4. Is hacking private email accounts morally wrong? (we already know it’s illegal.)
5. Who appointed you “Publicwatchdog?” Was it a democratic process?
6. Who sponsors your “activist” lifestyle. Patrons, or the poor New Zealand Taxpayer?
7. Don’t you think quoting your own delusional rantings as news is well…..delusional.

“Watching the Watchdogs” – Alloytoo
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August 22, 2014 2:39pm
RRM

Yes, what sort of sick sad bastard would use a blog to attack and discredit someone?

Oh wait… PENNY BRIGHT would do that: http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/

publicwatchdog at 1:03 pm:

Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

Speaking of which… we never did get to the bottom of who it was, who gave you that $10,000 towards one of your legal adventures, did we Penny?

🙂 What a turd you are.
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August 22, 2014 2:40pm
alloytoo

@Paulus

My understanding was that Slater’s private gmail was hacked around the same time as the DDOS attack.
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August 22, 2014 2:41pm
Nookin

I have done, Penelope. I just have difficulty seeing where it says that DPMC handles requests for official information directed at SIS. Certainly, it handles requests for information on matters within its purview but I have been unable to see anywhere in the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act or the Official Information Act that suggests that DPMC has any responsibility for official information requests relating to the SIS. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction.
While you are on song, how about answering the rest of my questions?
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August 22, 2014 2:47pm
Fletch

More intolerance by homosexuals.

Owners of a family farm in Schaghticoke, New York, are being fined $13,000 for refusing to allow a gay wedding ceremony to take place on their property in 2012, just one year after the state legalized same-sex nuptials.

Cynthia and Robert Gifford, owners of Liberty Ridge Farm, a family-friendly farm and special events venue, told Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin, a lesbian couple from Newark, New Jersey, that they were welcome to hold their reception on the property, but not the actual wedding ceremony, according to Religion News Service.

The Giffords live on the premises and these ceremonies are typically conducted on the first floor of their home or on the nearby property. Considering that they are Christians and consider marriage to be confined to relationships involving one man and one woman, the two weren’t comfortable hosting McCathy and Erwin’s nuptials.

An attorney for the couple told Religion News Service that the two have both employed gay staffers and hosted events for same-sex couples in the past, but that a gay wedding ceremony in their home was too close for comfort.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/judge-fines-christian-farm-owners-13000-for-refusing-to-host-gay-wedding/

It’s their HOME, FFS. If you don’t agree with gay marriage, the last thing place you want it carried out is in your home, especially if you are religious. It looks like gay rights trump the rights of property owners. Don’t think it won’t happen here, either.
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August 22, 2014 3:22pm
Pete George

lprent talks tough on his own turf.

Last time I looked, he thought it was all my fault and then started on the other authors. He is rather obsessional old fool.

I was thinking about responding on kiwiblog and/or whaleoil. Based on past performances it’d be like lobbing a Pete George grenade into the comments of whatever post I did it in… grin

Fire ahead Lynn. I have a few questions I’d like to ask you. On neutral territory would be fair.

What I thought was your fault was appearing to be telling fibs on Radio NZ and elsewhere. I’m not sure what you thought ‘it all’ was.
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August 22, 2014 3:26pm
deadrightkev

As the little nation that could sits asleep at the wheel I see National and Finlayson apologising for Tuhoe harbouring rebel thugs who murdered innocent settlers, babies and other Maori in the 1800s. Why did they not mention them in the Royal NZ Herald article fawning over Tuhoe today?

Tuhoe were repeatedly told there would be confiscations of land if they acted against the Crown. Tuhoe ignored the Crown and here we are in 2014 being insulted yet again, as we have with the other National Finlayson treaty scam apologies and pay-outs based on fiction.

Finlayson is a traitor and National should be thrown out of office. This apology is not justified in any way. The Tuhoe settlement is blatant fraud. This scam is a much more relevant issue this election than Slater’s dirty laundry.
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August 22, 2014 3:39pm
Redbaiter

“That never works. All it does is entrench the communists even more.”

All Communist govts are eventually overthrown. Even Soviet Russia govt with all of its terror and violence was eventually overthrown by its citizens. So will China be one day. Just a matter of spilling blood.

As for National and Helen Key, I’m done supporting a bunch of cowards & compromisers just because they’re perceived as the best of a bad bunch.

Especially after this stuff from Slater et al has shown just how bad they really are. Rotten to the core.
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August 22, 2014 3:46pm
Pete George

I don’t think the relationship between Slater and National or Slater and Key is anything like what Hager has suggested. Possibly far from it.

In fact the seem quite distant except for occasions of potential mutual benefit. Hager may have overstated Key-Slater relationship, possibly substantially.
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August 22, 2014 3:54pm
jackinabox

Stoopid cops!

“Police have this week renewed calls for public assistance to identify the hooded perpetrator, who fled as soon as she held up the spray can.

But they warn dairy owners have few legal grounds to justify arming themselves.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10412663/Pepper-spray-sends-knifeman-fleeing
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August 22, 2014 4:01pm
calendar girl

Three points for the self-styled ‘Public Watchdog’, Penny Bright:

@ 10:31am: ‘So did both Warren Tucker and Beverley Wakem both lie to help cover Prime Minister John Key’s butt?’ That is a particularly cowardly attempt to smear two experienced and well-respected public sevants who cannot genuinely defend themselves. It is made worse by the use of the old activists’ trick of framing a defamatory remark as an innocuous question in order to minimise the risk of facing a libel claim in the High Court.

@ 11.00am: ‘Another reason to close down the Israeli Embassy?’ People in this country expressing an interest in New Zealand ‘closing’ the Israeli Embassy in Wellington (i.e. severing diplomatic relations with Israel) could normally expect to be regarded as holding anti-semitic views. You may care to clarify your own attitudes with regard to anti-semiticism.

@ 1:03pm: Penny Bright http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com (Who at least puts her name to her posts.) You might feel free to do that, when you yourself don’t have a business to run (or even perhaps a real job to hold down?). But there are many here who simply cannot enjoy such open freedoms. That is because there are too many extreme activists out there whose modus operandi extends to ‘punishing’ financially those who dare to express a contrary viewpoint. The implication behind your self-congratulatory remarks concerning use of your own name in your public utterances is presumably that the views of others, by comparison, are of little merit. In this context, as in others, your degree of self-deception is as remarkable as it is pitiful.
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August 22, 2014 4:02pm
jackinabox

Beverley Wakem LOL

“WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHITTING WANKERS THE OMBUDSMAN’S OFFICE TURNED OUT TO BE! THEY WERE BENT COP LOVERS BACK IN 1987 AND THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVEN’T CHANGED FOR THE BETTER SINCE THEN.”

http://bcops.wordpress.com/what-does-the-word-ombudsman-actually-mean/

Beverley Wakem
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August 22, 2014 4:20pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Jackinabox: Police detest anyone who muscles in on their turf (ie fighting badies), cos they think that only they should be permitted to do it. Like guilds of old and unions of today it’s an emotional response to any perceived competition.
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August 22, 2014 4:43pm
Jack5

Finlayson apologised to Tuhoe today.

Just when Hager had persuaded me to return my vote to National.
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August 22, 2014 5:03pm
Milk Me

I see I have missed nothing here today, same old twaddle as yesterday, by the same old yesterdays people. I left KB and others for a year while sailing the Pacific and I come back and nothing has changed, same old same old. You lot need to get out more and try and come up with some new arguments. National good, Labour bad is really getting tedious.
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August 22, 2014 6:21pm
RF

Time to pass the hat around for the poor old ABs. They must be down to their last million as I have seen Hansen advertising ovens. Carter selling heat pumps and deodorant, McCaw flogging off garages. There are numerous others… Poor buggers times are tough.. Brings a tear to my eye.
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August 22, 2014 6:24pm
wiseowl

Agree Red.
The other comment I heard today about Lusk getting paid to get the right people as National candidates makes me wonder what has happened to the way they used to select candidates.
Who the hell does Lusk think he is and why the hell are National Party members allowing this interference in their selection process?
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August 22, 2014 6:30pm
publicwatchdog

Are you just being wilfully THICK Nookin?

The issue is the role of the unregulated, party political – cover John Key’s butt as Leader of the National Party iOffice of the Prime Minister having ANYTHING to do with the SIS – end of story.

How can this issue – which cuts to the heart of our democracy – and public confidence in the highest levels of Government, be dismissed as a ‘distraction’?

PS: It’s an OIA (Official Information Act) request – not an OIR.

You obviously haven’t done many OIA requests?

(Meant of course in a caring way:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 6:38pm
Judith

Jack5 (4,783 comments) says:
August 22nd, 2014 at 5:03 pm

When you say ‘me’ are you meaning yourself, or your office? 🙂
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August 22, 2014 6:39pm
publicwatchdog

I don’t use the services of the Office of the Ombudsman.

Like the Office of the Auditor- General, I have found both to be spectacularly useless.

I’ll call it as I see it – you don’t have to like it.

But I think you’ll find that there are a LOT of New Zealanders who will agree with me.

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 6:47pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rb49qrt8atom9wr/Cuckoo%2015.jpg
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August 22, 2014 6:49pm
RF

An observation …. Is Labour in need of an orthodontic dental plan. I notice that Cunners tilts his head forward and lowers his jaw that twists to o the right. Gives him an unfortunate smirk. Bloody there on TV tonight I see the labour west coast MP with the same affliction, a twisted jaw. I thought Helen Clark was bad enough. It’s nice to be perfect .. That’s why there are no
Mirrors at home.
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August 22, 2014 6:51pm
graham

You know … I get this vague feeling that Penny isn’t going to answer any of the questions that have been asked of her above.

Which I find peculiar, because Penny is normally very OPEN and TRANSPARENT and, as such, is more than willing to answer questions. Oh wait … no, sorry, my mistake – that was someone else. John Key, I think his name was.
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August 22, 2014 6:51pm
publicwatchdog

Ah the Kiwibloggers anonymous gutless toothless goldfish are in a gumming frenzy.

Thanks for that – just confirms I’m on the right track:)

“You don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target”.

Keep semi-hysterical and carry on …..

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 7:02pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwhaqfxv9tpik12/Cuckoo%2021.jpg
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August 22, 2014 7:02pm
Johnboy

“But I think you’ll find that there are a LOT of New Zealanders who will agree with me.”

Wasn’t it a 127 that did last time you asked Penny? 🙂
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August 22, 2014 7:06pm
Nookin

Penelope
In my experience, people who are out of their depth and have no merit whatsoever to their argument generally engage in intellectually dishonest practices (moving the goal posts and pretending that the real issue is something other than that clearly under discussion), engage in ad hominem arguments, and deliver spiteful and petty little barbs more in keeping with preschool playground spats. You are doing everything in your power to affirm my theory.
BY the way:
OIA = Official Information Act.
OIR = Official information request.
If I want to abbreviate terminology I will do so. I do not need your permission and I have no intention of catering for your inability to understand or your idiotic pretence that you do not understand for the sake of attempting puerile sarcasm. Get it?
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August 22, 2014 7:32pm
Johnboy

Is it just me that finds it completely hilarious that a scrawny wee, white poofter is apologising (on behalf of the dead Queen Victoria) to all those hideous moko’ed savages from the Urewera for beating the snot out of them a hundred and fifty years ago? 🙂
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August 22, 2014 7:37pm
Jack5

Have the carefully unbiased folk at the NZ Herald web site photo-shopped a photograph of Whale Oil to distort it and make it look ugly? It’s placed beside a flattering picture of Hager the Horrible.

To take a look, go to the Herald site, click on the Colin Craig article, then down t the bottom right under the heading “Discover More” and beside a heading ” A dirty politics glossary” you will see the picture I’m talking about. There’s another picture of Whale below, but that looks okay.
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August 22, 2014 7:38pm
Johnboy

Was that the one with the snarl Jack5?

Luvved it! 🙂
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August 22, 2014 7:43pm
publicwatchdog

I’m speaking to a lot of my future constituents in Helensville who were amongst the 11,723 who voted for me in the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign.

Seems that there are LOTS of the voting public in the Helensville electorate who HATE the Auckland Supercity for the 1%.

That was railroaded through under urgency by the John Key led National/ACT coalition government, who lied to the public having promised to consult with the people of Auckland once the findings of the Royal Commission on Auckland Regional Governance were known.

So what do you think bleating, sheepish Kiwibloggers (you know who you are) – how’s the Auckland Supercity working for you?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 7:45pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7chsjwaxk565d1v/Cuckoo%2035.jpg
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August 22, 2014 7:47pm
Johnboy

Works fine for us folks in Wainui Penny! 🙂
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August 22, 2014 7:50pm
publicwatchdog

Oh diddums Nookin – you accuse me of making ad hominem remarks?

You are SO funny!

Harden up and ‘handle the jandal’ – you sad person.

Or you can dish it – but you can’t take it?

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 7:53pm
Johnboy

What’s your polling in Helensville looking like Penny?

(Meant in a caring, interested way of course) 🙂
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August 22, 2014 7:58pm
publicwatchdog

PS Nookin – were you one of the few who correctly predicted that John Banks would be found guilty of electoral fraud and forced to resign from Parliament?

Thought not.

(I did:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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August 22, 2014 8:00pm
Nookin

Again, penny, you prove my point.
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August 22, 2014 8:00pm
publicwatchdog

I don’t do polling.

Prefer the old-fashioned getting out and meeting people – sort of thing.

After successfully defending my right to speak at the Helensville candidates’ meeting held on Monday 11 August 2014 – I got LOTS of positive publicity, before, during and after.

All good!

Thanks for asking:)

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 8:09pm
graham

So, if “You don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target” …

… if people having a go at you means you’re on the right track …

… I guess that explains why Penny goes so rabid and keeps ‘gumming away’ at John Key.

He’s obviously on the ‘right track’ – Penny realises this – hence why she ‘keeps semi-hysterical and carries on’.

Explains a lot, doesn’t it?!

(Edit: I kind of also think that, if Penny was REALLY serious about being OPEN and TRANSPARENT, she would ‘harden up and handle the jandal’ and actually ANSWER some of the questions that she’s being asked…)
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August 22, 2014 8:11pm
publicwatchdog

Whatever Nookin:)

You have LOVELY evening – you’ve certainly helped make mine 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 8:12pm
nasska

A woman burst in to an office one morning.

“Which one of you bitches has been fucking my husband!?” she screamed at the typing pool.

“Bit of a sex maniac is he, your fella?” asked the supervisor.

“Too fucking right!”

“I thought so” was the reply….. “Sharon and Sandra have just ducked under their desks, Jane’s in the broom cupboard and Dave’s run to the toilets.”
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August 22, 2014 8:16pm
Johnboy

“Prefer the old-fashioned getting out and meeting people – sort of thing.”

The poor, confused bastards probably thought it was Halloween when they met you Penny! 🙂
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August 22, 2014 8:16pm
stigie

Looks like you wont get your knitting done for you now JB ?
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August 22, 2014 8:29pm
Johnboy

I got old Missus Gallagher to do it for half the price Penny wanted stigie then her boys popped down and wired it up!

Works a treat. Penny is redundant! 🙂
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August 22, 2014 8:37pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

Penny is redundant!

Well, if not now, she will be after 20 September!

And, once Auckland City complete the legal formalities, she may be homeless too!
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August 22, 2014 8:43pm
Nookin

Off you go then Penny. While you’re making yourself a hot toddy, why don’t you come up with a new exit strategy? Backing off the debate, refusing to respond to questions and making silly little jibes on the way out gets altogether tedious after a while. For what it’s worth, I made no predictions about Banks. Sometimes, it pays to keep an open mind. Try it one day. If you can get the door ajar.
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August 22, 2014 8:51pm
OneTrack

publicwatchdog – “So what do you think bleating, sheepish Kiwibloggers (you know who you are) – how’s the Auckland Supercity working for you?”

You are right Penny. What were Aucklanders thinking when they voted for the left-wing Labour mayor Len Brown? He is well on the way to bankrupting the city. Hmm, might the same thing happen to the country if the left win in September?
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August 22, 2014 9:10pm
Reid

And, once Auckland City complete the legal formalities, she may be homeless too!

Bit harsh.

Penny may not follow the norms but she has her principles.

I’m not sure why they seem to be so rigid in this particular respect but you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Lots of people wimp out at the starting gate, but she doesn’t.

In her own way, and Penny please I wish you’d moderate your principles for your own good, she reminds me of Kipling’s sentiment expressed thusly:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

But Penny, remember wisdom.

What you’re doing with your rates may be brave, but it’s not wise, my friend: e.g. the first line of the second verse…
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August 22, 2014 9:11pm
kowtow

Al Jazeera reports via its ticker ,not a proper news item,that Hamas has executed 11 people in Gaza for collaborating with Israel.

How much due process did the 11 get? Probably tortured and then shot. Of course it’s Israel’s fault, the occupation you see, but then they don’t occupy Gaza.

Will the Minto and BDS mob protest ?
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August 22, 2014 9:14pm
Other_Andy

kowtow says at 9:14 pm

“Al Jazeera reports via its ticker that Hamas has executed 11 people in Gaza for collaborating with Israel.”

The opposition must be getting to them.
Usually they just torture them, shoot them and blame it on an Israeli bomb.
That could have been another 11 ‘unarmed civilians murdered by the occupation’.
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August 22, 2014 9:46pm
kowtow

OA

I suspect it’s in response to Israel geting 3 top terrorists.
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August 22, 2014 10:25pm
Southern Raider

Agree Kowtow. No charges, no defence and no trial

Yet these numbers will get added to the civilian statistics and McRoberts, Minto and co will make not a single comment
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August 22, 2014 10:35pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – some breaking news!

Politics doesn’t have to be a dirty, despicable business.

FIGHT HARD – FIGHT CLEAN!

Tell the truth.

Don’t gossip.

Don’t say anything about someone that you’re not prepared to say to their face.

Just don’t do dirty politics.

PUBLIC MEETING. – STOP CORRUPTION – STOP DIRTY POLITICS!

WHEN: Saturday 30 August 2014
TIME: 2pm – 5pm
WHERE:Helensville War Memorial Hall
49 Commercial Rd
Helensville

Although I’m organising this meeting, I’ve invited all the political parties that were represented at the Helensville candidates’ meeting at Kumeu 11 August 2014.

Each of the representatives of these 8 political parties (they can send who they like) will be given 5 minutes each to outline their policies/ position on fighting corruption, ‘white collar’ crime, ‘corporate welfare’ and dirty politics,

These representatives of political parties who choose to attend – invitees being National, Labour, Greens, NZ First, Maori Party, Internet/Mana, ACT and Conservative Party can bring along their election material.

Myself and fellow anti-corruption ‘Whistle-blower – Independent candidate for Epsom – Grace Haden, will be exposing corruption at central and local government level and what needs to be done to fix it.

It should be a very interesting meeting.

Penny Bright
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August 22, 2014 11:42pm
publicwatchdog

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/08/20/bank-of-america-to-pay-17-billion-in-justice-department-settlement/

Bank of America to Pay $17 Billion in Justice Department Settlement

Bank of America Corp. is expected to pay nearly $17 billion to settle U.S. Department of Justice accusations it packaged shoddy mortgages into securities and sold them to investors in the run-up to the financial crisis, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

The agreement, which could come as early as Thursday, would mark the biggest settlement between the U.S. government and a single company. The roughly $17 billion will be a combination of cash and consumer aid – an amount approximately equal to the bank’s profit for the past three years.

For the Justice Department, the settlement is the latest penalty it has lobbed against a big bank over mortgage securities. For the bank, the settlement is the latest in a long line of litigation and regulatory costs that the bank has been shelling out for crisis-era infractions, which has depressed earnings and aggravated shareholders.

Chief Executive Brian Moynihan, who has spent the better part of his four and a half years as CEO wading through litigation, has told analysts and investors that this deal is supposed to be the last of the big problems lingering from the financial crisis. The bank has spent more than $60 billion under Mr. Moynihan to resolve legal woes.

The settlement is also a fresh reminder for the bank of the costs of its 2008 purchase of Countrywide Financial Corp., a deal that rocketed Bank of America into a major player in mortgages but also hamstrung it with exotic loans. Most of the mortgage securities made in the years immediately before the financial crisis, and now credited to Bank of America, came from Countrywide.

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NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America.

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20141/2e04287ad20ee5da12a308149e59bb16d7f47ce5

Pg 30

Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

2 Other companies and business entities

Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado
Bank of America – banking
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Penny Bright
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August 23, 2014 12:56am
Southern Raider

An Israeli child has just been killed from an attack on a kindergarten in Ashdod.

The rocket was fired from a launch site in a UNRWA school

Where the fuck are you now Mike McRoberts?
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August 23, 2014 7:42am
Nookin

So there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. At 11:42 p.m. our esteemed public watchdog is espousing the need to abandon dirty politics and just over one hour later posts a report about the Bank Of America having to pay a substantial amount of damages for shoddy mortgage packages and gleefully reminds readers that the Prime Minister has shares in Bank Of America – part of her continuing mantra that Key is associated with everything wrong about Wall Street, Bank Of America and GFC.
Hypocrisy much?
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August 23, 2014 9:43am
deadrightkev

“Well worth it. Nothing else will get National back to the party it was meant to be. Nothing else will rid NZ of the communist plague.”

I was once a little sceptical about that but now I am all for it Red. Its revolution implosion or bust now for NZ.

The low life filth that has been perpetrated behind the scenes in NZ politics proves we are little better than Uganda or Zimbabwe when it is all boiled down. At least the citizenry in those countries know they are being crapped on.
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