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The judge said Banks could have used a secret trust to receive anonymous donations and it was “ironic” that Banks did not use a trust because he believed it was against the spirit of the law.

So, if John Banks had handled it the way Cunliffe attempted to, he would have been OK?

A pre-sentence report said Banks’ offending had a “profound” effect on his wife Amanda who had moved to Central Otago as a result.
She had affirmed her “on-going support” for Banks, the judge said.

This is a little unclear. Was it Bank’s offending, or the attendant publicity which has had a “profound” effect?
Are the Banks couple separated as a result?

It will be interesting to learn of Banks’ new “unimpeachable water-tight evidence” that would “completely exonerate” him.
Perhaps it will be released five days before the Election too?
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August 1, 2014 11:49am
wf

Was it the Israeli PM who commented:

“Ceasefire? We cease. They fire.” Seems a simple solution in there somewhere. Shouldn’t be too hard to find.
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August 1, 2014 11:54am
Fletch

A Spanish journalist tells an Israeli media figure that Hamas would kill journalists if they reported anything remotely negative about Hamas.

I met today with a Spanish journalist who just came back from Gaza. We talked about the situation there. He was very friendly. I asked him how comes we never see on television channels reporting from Gaza any Hamas people, no gunmen, no rocket launcher, no policemen.. We only see civilians on these reports, mostly women and children. He answered me frankly : “it’s very simple, we did see Hamas people there launching rockets, they were close to our hotel, but if ever we dare pointing our camera on them they would simply shoot at us and kill us.”
Wooh, impressive. Then I asked him “would you mind saying that on camera? I can film you explaining this…”
For some reason I cannot really understand he refused and almost ran away. I guess my camera is as dangerous as Hamas threats…
So just for you to know, the truth will never appear on the images you see on television.

https://www.facebook.com/michael.grynszpan/posts/10152140390486065
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August 1, 2014 11:58am
jackinabox

Great debating there Jackinabox, very venal and nasty. Is that because you have nothing to say other than insults?

Pork pies = lies.

Banks appealing = Peter Doone suing.
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August 1, 2014 12:00pm
jackinabox

“So that’s why he didn’t want a discharge without conviction; he couldn’t appeal if he wasn’t convicted.”

If he wasn’t convicted he wouldn’t need to appeal. He knew his cabbage boat was foundering so he, rather than go down with the ship like an honourable man, scuttled ashore like a rat. All this new evidence stuff will turn out to be an attempt at relitigating the old “I can’t remember” crap.
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August 1, 2014 12:10pm
Rowan

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11301680

Right Demler is “innocent” of the Crewe homicide because the police say so, If I was Rochelle I certainly wouldn’t be buying this crap from the cops, just more denial, there is certainly evidence that Demler was the killer and that his girlfriend was an accessory after the fact, the reports give no evidence that excludes them so to come up with the conclusion that they were ‘in no way involved’ is just wrong, even if you don’t think the evidence is strong enough, this doesn’t make him “innocent” the conclusions in both reports are baseless and shows that the police are not interested in the truth, just covering their own arses. It also highlights the need for a Criminal Cases review commission in this country rather than the “Kangaroo court” as Ross Meurant puts it where we have the police investigation investigated by the police or the IPCA which even with its so called ‘independence’ is woefully inadequate.
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August 1, 2014 12:14pm
OneTrack

Judith – “The community need to have faith in their elected politicians to be honest with them”

Like Len Brown and his secret trust for his donations?

What was Banks’ mistake? Obviously he didn’t use a trust, like the lefty did. He should have known better.
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August 1, 2014 12:17pm
jackinabox

“the police are not interested in the truth, just covering their own arses.” Amen to that!
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August 1, 2014 12:23pm
flipper

Now someone will correct me if I am wrong, but if J Banks has and presents to the CoA new evidence that could over-turn Wylie J, then the Court of Appeal is now compelled to hear/view that evidence, and if it is compelling, and throws doubt on the decision under appeal, to allow the appeal and either order a new trial or quash the conviction.

My recollection (without checking) is that the nasty Law Lords of the Privy Council found and ordered thus, on Lundy. No?

Banksie may be many things to many people. But he would NOT make the statement that he has made unless it could be sustained.

Oh dear…
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August 1, 2014 12:28pm
Judith

@ OneTrack (2,619 comments) says:
August 1st, 2014 at 12:17 pm

So you are saying that because someone else gets away with a ‘crime’, everyone else should?

Because someone else uses a lawful means, John Banks should be excused when he chose to use the unlawful means?

Stop making pathetic excuses. I’m not sure what your mother taught you, but mine taught me very clearly that what other people do is of no consequence or a defense for bad behaviour – it is what I do that matters.
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August 1, 2014 12:30pm
Judith

Banksie may be many things to many people. But he would NOT make the statement that he has made unless it could be sustained.

Oh dear…

Well the previous statements he has made haven’t turned out too good for him so far…

I especially loved the one about not remembering being in the helicopter … yep, if he says it, it must be true – except that wasn’t, was it?
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August 1, 2014 12:34pm
Manolo

The buggers are swamping the United Sates: http://www.krgv.com/news/immigrants-to-be-housed-in-suites-near-san-antonio/
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August 1, 2014 12:46pm
UglyTruth

Israel does not target civilians

WheelOil doesn’t know shit about it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-reveal-the-brutal-truth-of-gaza-attack-1746485.html

Troops’ testimonies disclose loose rules of engagement and use of civilians as human shields:

“No one is supposed to be there. If you see any signs of movement at all, you shoot. These, essentially, were the rules of engagement.”

“if we see something suspect and shoot, better hit an innocent than hesitate to target an enemy”

“You see something and you’re not quite sure? You shoot”

“A civilian man between 50 and 60 who was unarmed but carrying a torch was shot dead after the unit’s commander ordered his soldiers not to fire warning shots but to hold their fire until he was 50m away. The soldier said the company commander announced over the radio after the incident: Here’s an opener for tonight”
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August 1, 2014 1:05pm
jackinabox

Banks’ sentence ‘appropriate’: McCready

11:44 Fri Aug 1 2014

byAAP

The man who successfully resurrected the case against former ACT MP John Banks is happy with the community-based sentence his target received.

Banks avoided a jail sentence and up to a $10,000 fine when he was sentenced to two months’ community detention and 100 hours’ community work in Auckland District Court on Friday.

He also had a conviction entered for falsely declaring two $25,000 donations from Kim Dotcom anonymous after his 2010 failed Auckland mayoral bid.

In 2012, police said they wouldn’t prosecute Banks, but the case was taken up by serial litigant Graham McCready, whose success sparked the Solicitor-General to take over the case.

Outside court on Friday, Mr McCready told reporters a fine would have been like a parking ticket to Banks.

“Community detention and community service is very appropriate.”

He pointed out that Banks could not have applied for a discharge without conviction because he had a previous conviction. In 1991, when minister of police in a National government, Banks was fined $750 for answering his mobile phone while on a flight.

Mr McCready is also taking a private prosecution against police for not prosecuting Banks in the first place and that would be his next project.

He has named Prime Minister John Key as an accessory and the case will be back in court next month, he said.

However, he would immediately celebrate by “doing his laundry” and catch up on a few jobs and friends.

“The celebration is for the system itself and for the New Zealand public. As the judge said this whole thing is about confidence in the natural system.”

In 2007, Mr McCready took a private prosecution against Labour MP Trevor Mallard over an altercation with National’s Tau Henare. Mr Mallard admitted fighting in a public place.

Mr McCready, 68, was asked why he took these cases.

“It’s what I have been doing for 50 years. Nothing different, nothing new. I don’t go out looking for them, people find me. While I have got breath in my body and I am in reasonable sort of health I will continue to do it.”

“Mr McCready is also taking a private prosecution against police for not prosecuting Banks in the first place and that would be his next project.”

Yay Mr McCready!
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August 1, 2014 1:08pm
Don the Kiwi

Looks like there is a 72hr. ceasefire going into effect in Gaza at 8.00 am ME time – that would be around 5 pm. today our time, if my guess is correct.
Brokered by Egypt after Ban Ki Moon’s visit last week.

Will be interesting to see if Hamas honours this ceasefire – the haven’t the past three. Here’s hoping.
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August 1, 2014 1:12pm
jackinabox

I hope that the truce is not used by Israel to invest an extra 16000 troops into their genocidal operation or to resupply the ammunition of the current bunch of kid killers.
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August 1, 2014 1:42pm
Don the Kiwi

“……or to resupply the ammunition of the current bunch of kid killers.”

Well, let’s just hope that Hamas stops shielding themselves with children then, eh jackoffinabox. The cowards have done that for 30 years, and have made an art form of it.
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August 1, 2014 1:52pm
big bruv

jack

I hope the Israel’s do just that. I hope they are totally prepared the next time these Islamofacists kick off, I hope they wipe the bastards off the face of the earth.
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August 1, 2014 1:53pm
Griff

jackinabox
I am !00% sure that any peace will be used by Hamas to re supply and increase the troops for their openly declared genocidal war on Israel.
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August 1, 2014 1:53pm
kowtow

“The buggers are swamping the United Sates:”

Of course they are , more ‘diversity” ,less American ,more future Democrat voters,more central, big government.

The only answer is the grass roots democracy of the patriotic Tea Partiers.
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August 1, 2014 1:55pm
ShawnLH

An individual calling itself jackinabox opines:

“I hope that the truce is not used by Israel to invest an extra 16000 troops into their genocidal operation or to resupply the ammunition of the current bunch of kid killers.”

Take a look at REAL kid killers ya dick. These guys make anything at all done by Israel in defending itself look perfectly reasonable by comparison. Kids raped. Kids, even toddlers, having their hearts cut out, by Muslims. But of course, it’s not being done by Jews so you could not care less. Don’t pretend to care about children when you and your ilk are silent about crimes likes this:

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/138-jake-neuman/1552-the-obscenity-of-islam.html

Hypocrite.
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August 1, 2014 2:03pm
jackinabox

What that ISIS crowd does to its victims has no bearing on the fact that Israel is a terrorist state.
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August 1, 2014 2:13pm
lilman

Judith I simply dont know if Banks is lying,I dont know, but a court has found him guilty s based on evidence provided he must be.
He has the right of appeal and is doing so,his right.
1.Do we call him innocent or guilty?
2.Do we believe him?
3.Why do you question his honesty,when you always believe David Bain,as he never lied did he?
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August 1, 2014 2:16pm
jackinabox

Just because he was found guilty doesn’t make him innocent.
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August 1, 2014 2:19pm
ShawnLH

“What that ISIS crowd does to its victims has no bearing ”

Translation: “I don’t care about kids being raped and having their hearts cut out because the perpetrators of these crimes are not Jews, and my Lefty masters have told me not to criticize anything done by the enemies of the Jews.”

“on the fact that Israel is a terrorist state.”

ISIS is a terrorist state. Gaza is a terrorist state. Iran is a terrorist state.

Israel is a democracy.
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August 1, 2014 2:19pm
jackinabox

“Israel is a democracy.”

So is the USA but that doesn’t stop it from doing massive terrorist acts.

The only way to stop terrorism is to address the issues that lead people to do desperate acts.
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August 1, 2014 2:22pm
ShawnLH

The Left really needs a new slogan.

“Socialism. Excusing the worlds worst evils since 1917.”
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August 1, 2014 2:22pm
ShawnLH

“The only way to stop terrorism is to address the issues that lead people to do desperate acts.”

Yes. It’s called Islam. But the Left does not want to address that. It’s politically incorrect. Which is why you and your ilk stick your heads in the sand about it.
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August 1, 2014 2:24pm
minus

Uh oh, are Mrs Cunliffe and Shan Inglis about to move in together and share war stories?
comment – http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/give-eating-chinese-instead/#disqus_thread

Seems to be enough smoke for you to wonder if there is a fire somewhere
It could be good to know before the Election with this one?
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August 1, 2014 2:26pm
UglyTruth

Take a look at REAL kid killers ya dick. These guys make anything at all done by Israel in defending itself look perfectly reasonable by comparison. Kids raped. Kids, even toddlers, having their hearts cut out, by Muslims.

These horrific crimes conflict with the principles of Islam, just as the targeting of the innocent by the IDF conflicts with the principles of Judaism. Also, the article mentions that the worst crime was carried out by Syrian opposition fighters backed by the Obama administration.

The common theme here is the criminal behaviour of US-Zionist alliance. Blaming any particular religion for it simply deflects attention from the real cause of the problem.
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August 1, 2014 2:28pm
jackinabox

Shawn, I’m not a Lefty or a righty, an inny or an outy, I’m just a spectator. I say it as I see it and what I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide. Netanyahu and his gang of insane killers are behaving like Nazis.
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August 1, 2014 2:32pm
ShawnLH

“Shawn, I’m not a Lefty or a righty,”

Bullshit. Your posts always take a Left wing pov.

“and what I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide.”

Then you don’t understand what the word genocide actually means.

“Netanyahu and his gang of insane killers are behaving like Nazis.”

Islamic fascists are the real heir’s to the Nazis, and you support them.
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August 1, 2014 2:37pm
ShawnLH

CHRISTIAN COPTIC GIRLS KIDNAPPED-RAPED AND FORCED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM (EGYPT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1cdxJFr-pc
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August 1, 2014 2:38pm
jackinabox

Don’t talk tripe Shawn.
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August 1, 2014 2:38pm
ShawnLH

The Muslim – Nazi Connection.

Support for Nazism was not limited to the former Mufti. Here are some quotes from Arab leaders on Hitler, and Nazism:

“We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books . . . . We were the first who thought of [an Arab] translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism,” recalled Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of Syria’s ruling Ba’ath Party.

Indeed, a popular WWII song was heard in the Middle East featuring words: Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler – in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler. Picking up the theme of the book, posters were put up in Arab markets and elsewhere proclaiming, “In heaven Allah is thy ruler; on earth Adolph Hitler.”

Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism

“On November 28, 1941 the former Mufti was officially received by Hitler, who agreed to establish a bureau for al-Husseini which was used to spread propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany, organize spy rings in Europe and the Middle East, and, most importantly, establish Muslim Nazi SS divisions and Wehrmacht units in Bosnia, the Balkans, North Africa and Nazi-occupied parts of the Soviet Union. After the meeting, the Mufti was also named SS gruppenfuehrer by Heinrich Himmler and referred to as the “Fuhrer of the Arab World” by Hitler himself.”

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/the-muslim-nazi-connection/
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August 1, 2014 2:44pm
ShawnLH

Why Did so Many Wanted Nazis Convert to Islam?

“There are Nazi grafts in Arab-Islamic terrorism.

At the top of the most wanted list of the Simon Wiesenthal Center there is a man who today would be one hundred years old. His name is Alois Brunner and he is responsible for the deaths of over 130,000 Jews. The Nazi hunters still place him in Syria, where he was last seen in 2001, protected by the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

Brunner was one of the most zealous ideologues and officials of the “Final Solution”, the plan for the extermination of the Jews. The idea haunted him to the point that in 1985 he said to the German magazine Bunte: “I regret that I didn’t finish the job”.

When the United Arab Republic of Syria was formed, Dr. Brunner took up residence at 7 George Haddad, in the embassy district of Damascus. In 1961, the year that Adolf Eichmann was captured by the Israelis in Buenos Aires, Brunner received a bomb-letter, probably from the Mossad and lost an eye.

Brunner, a personal friend of Hafez el Assad, took part in the construction of Syria’s secret services on the model of the Gestapo.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14066
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August 1, 2014 2:47pm
big bruv

jackinabox

“The only way to stop terrorism is to address the issues that lead people to do desperate acts.”

Clearly you have no idea of how the Islamofacists think. Nor do you have any appreciation of history. Of course the other explanation to your seeming stupidity might be that you are just telling lies.

What least these rag head fuckwits to do ‘desperate acts’ is their religion. The ‘desperate acts’ you talk about are mandated in the Quran and the Hadith.

Tell me Jack, just where do you start addressing the issues with a group of people who have a bottom line of reintroducing the holocaust all over again?
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August 1, 2014 2:47pm
KiwiGreg

“what I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide”

No you’re not. If the Israelis wanted Gazans dead, they’d be dead. Syria with a far weaker military has killed multiple numbers of Syrians in a much more difficult country. Israel gains nothing by killing a couple of thousand Palestinians and loses much. Unless you think the Israelis just aren’t very good at killing Palestinians.
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August 1, 2014 2:56pm
Pete George

Craig’s Chinese farm deal reveal – how Conservative is this?

Mr Craig said Conservatives would oppose all large, productive land sales and change the Overseas Investment Office criteria “so that our country is not sold up”.

“The National party waved through the Crafar Farms deal against our national interests and doubtless will do the same with Lochinver station.

“We are standing up for Kiwis who want this country to remain New Zealand owned,” he said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11302623

Doesn’t sound very right wing or free market.
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August 1, 2014 3:04pm
Yoza

tom hunter (4,435 comments) says:
August 1st, 2014 at 8:23 am

Who during the Vietnam War on either side of the conflict could have imagined that such a bourgeois place would ever appear in Hanoi while the Communist Party still ruled? Ho Chi Minh sure as hell didn’t expect this. Nor would he have wanted it. Fidel Castro would hate it. Of that I assure you.

Pol Pot would have wanted to murder everyone in there.

You have yourselves a communist revolution, fight a war with capitalists, kill a shitload of class enemies, push a ton of others out to sea, sit on your ass with five year plans until it all gets worse – and then you go back to capitalism anyway. Brilliant.

Stories like this must really fill thepeoplesflag and Yoza with despair. 🙂

Why? You seem stuck in some weird bubble, Tomithy, where everyone must conform to the stereotype you have developed for them.
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August 1, 2014 3:14pm
mandk

jackinabox: “I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide”

That’s just plain dumb.

If that is what Israel wanted, they could have done it inside a week.

The ones bent on genocide are Hamas – its part of their charter.
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August 1, 2014 3:22pm
Keeping Stock

Wouldn’t it be a hoot if John Banks’ “watertight” new evidence showed that Kim Dotcom had perjured himself at the recent High Court trial. That’d certainly put a cat amongst the pigeons…
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August 1, 2014 3:27pm
stephieboy

Yoza, yet another Stalinist and Maoist apologist for Pol Pot and the now rather more bourgeois Vietnam Communist party.
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August 1, 2014 3:29pm
Longknives

Stay Classy Tangata Whenua..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11302518
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August 1, 2014 3:29pm
stephieboy

“Conspiratorial” Right-Wing Media Claim Obama “Deliberately” “Planned” Border Crisis

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/16/conspiratorial-right-wing-media-claim-obama-del/200123

I understand that Queen Sarah is considering her options including advice from her court both within the US , here and elsewhere to nuke the border area.

The whole charade of baseless hysterical accusations by the far right has Benghazi , Boston Bombing and Sandy Nook written all over it.
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August 1, 2014 3:30pm
big bruv

Longknives

That is what colonisation does to people. It is not her fault.
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August 1, 2014 3:36pm
ShawnLH

“The whole charade of baseless hysterical accusations by the far right”

Lois Lerner.
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August 1, 2014 3:43pm
jackinabox

“what I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide”

“No you’re not. If the Israelis wanted Gazans dead, they’d be dead.”

Israel wants all Palestinians dead, that’s obvious. If it weren’t for the fact that the whole world is watching the murderous criminal gang currently ruling Israel would have their very own version of the killing factories that the Nazis had during WW2. They’ve had to call it quits at 1000 plus this time because most of the right thinking people in the world have said, enough already, you fucking gang of kid killers.
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August 1, 2014 3:47pm
big bruv

jack

“Israel wants all Palestinians dead, that’s obvious”

Obvious to who?. Nobody but the most deluded think that Israel is doing anything other than fighting back or defending herself. You really must stop telling these lies.

You are well aware that the Israelis are showing restraint, if they wanted to demolish the whole of Gaza they could.
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August 1, 2014 3:50pm
Griff

Jahadinabox.
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August 1, 2014 3:51pm
ShawnLH

“Israel wants all Palestinians dead, that’s obvious.”

Bollocks. So in actual fact you have zero evidence for your “genocide” claim other than your bias.

Thanks for admitting you’re a liar.
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August 1, 2014 3:52pm
UglyTruth

“what I am currently seeing is the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide”

No you’re not. If the Israelis wanted Gazans dead, they’d be dead.

You’re ignoring the problem of the very bad press that would arise from an overt act of genocide by the Zionists.
There is a fair amount of public opposition to the assault on Gaza from both within and without the state of Israel, public knowledge of genocide could cause the Zionists a real PR headache.

According to the Oded Yinon plan the objective is not genocide but rather the acquistion of territory. Apparently the current strategy is to make life unbearable for the Palestinians so that they leave, enabling the state to expand its territory.
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August 1, 2014 3:52pm
ShawnLH

A rebuttal to the genocide lie from a people who actually have experience with the real thing.

“I cannot remain silent and allow the Palestinians to gain credibility at our expense by claiming commonality with us. I cannot stand by while they trivialize our plight by tying it to theirs, which is largely self-inflicted. Our population of over 65 million was violently reduced to a mere 10 million, a slaughter unprecedented in human history. To compare that in whatever way to the Palestinians’ story is deeply offensive to me. The Palestinians did lose the land they claim is theirs, but they were repeatedly given the opportunity to build their state on it and to partner with the Jews — and they persistently refused peace overtures and chose war. We were never given that chance.” – – Ryan Bellerose, a member of the Métis nation of Canada
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August 1, 2014 3:55pm
jackinabox

‘ if they wanted to demolish the whole of Gaza they could.”

They could and would if the whole world wasn’t watching.
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August 1, 2014 3:56pm
UglyTruth

Thanks for admitting you’re a liar.

Oh, the irony.
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August 1, 2014 3:57pm
ShawnLH

“According to the Oded Yinon plan the objective is not genocide but rather the acquistion of territory.”

Except the Oded Yinon plan is not and never has been Israeli state policy.

Liar.
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August 1, 2014 3:57pm
ShawnLH

“They could and would if the whole world wasn’t watching.”

Liar. Provide the actual evidence otherwise all you have is opinion, not fact.
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August 1, 2014 3:59pm
UglyTruth

Except the Oded Yinon plan is not and never has been Israeli state policy.

Wrong.

In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”

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This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme. This theme has been documented on a very modest scale in the AAUG publication, Israel’s Sacred Terrorism (1980), by Livia Rokach. Based on the memoirs of Moshe Sharett, former Prime Minister of Israel, Rokach’s study documents, in convincing detail, the Zionist plan as it applies to Lebanon and as it was prepared in the mid-fifties.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/
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August 1, 2014 4:06pm
jackinabox

“Liar. Provide the actual evidence otherwise all you have is opinion, not fact.:

They kill sleeping kids in a UN “safe Haven” while the world is watching, just imagine what they’d do if they had somewhere secret to do it in.
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August 1, 2014 4:09pm
ShawnLH

THE LIES OF THOSE WHO HATE ISRAEL AND HOW TO STOP THEM: THE ODED YINON CONSPIRACY THEORY.

.’This theory centres on an obscure journal article written in 1982 by Israeli journalist Oded Yinon entitled ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’ in the Zionist journal Kivvonim. This article is the basis for ream upon ream of anti-Zionist writing upon the internet, a quick google will uncover potentially exponential numbers of crank articles on Israel’s true intentions.

Oden Yinon’s article was originally published in English under the title, ‘Making the Arab World Collapse’ in the Journal of Palestinian Studies (1982, University of California Press). It was re-translated – for deliberately political ends – by ‘self-hating Jew’ Israel Shahak. As anyone familiar with Shahak’s work could hazard a guess on, the Shahak translation is rather different from the one that is presented in the academic journal. This may perhaps seem like a rather onanistic splitting of hairs, but in the context in which those who hate the state of Israel use it, it is all rather important.”

https://allthemorereason.wordpress.com/2006/07/07/the-lies-of-those-who-hate-israel-and-how-to-stop-them/
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August 1, 2014 4:13pm
ShawnLH

“In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.””

So? That was his opinion, and it has never been Israeli State policy.

Liar.
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August 1, 2014 4:15pm
ShawnLH

“They kill sleeping kids in a UN “safe Haven””

Because HAMAS uses civilians and safe havens to hide behind. The fault is your Muslim friends, who amongst other things seem to like raping ten year old Christian girls and cutting the hearts out of toddlers.
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August 1, 2014 4:17pm
UglyTruth

’This theory centres on an obscure journal article written in 1982 …

Actually, it centers on the fact that the founder of Zionism described the territory of the Zionist state in the same terms as the land of the Abrahamic covenant of Genesis 15. If the Zionist state truly represented the rebirth of the nation of Israel, they why would the founder of the state attempt to dispossess the descendants of Ishmael of their rightful inheritance?
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August 1, 2014 4:23pm
ShawnLH

Italian reporter confirms: Hamas rocket killed children on playground.

“Hamas blames the IDF, of course, and so does the international media. But now this reporter, out of Gaza and safe from what he tellingly refers to as “Hamas retaliation,” confirms the Israeli account. The propaganda facade is broken yet again.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/italian-reporter-confirms-hamas-rocket-killed-children-on-playground
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August 1, 2014 4:27pm
ShawnLH

“why would the founder of the state attempt to dispossess the descendants of Ishmael of their rightful inheritance?”

Israel is not their rightful inheritance. Most so-called “palestinians” are recent Arab immigrants from pretty much every in the ME EXCEPT Israel.

It’s a standard Muslim tactic. Flood an area with Muslims, make false claims that they have rights to the land, wage terrorist war against the real rightful heirs.
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August 1, 2014 4:29pm
Reid

ISIS is a terrorist state. Gaza is a terrorist state. Iran is a terrorist state.

Israel is a democracy.

I told you all back in 2011 that the Zionist plan for Iraq was to break it up into three states: Sunni, Shiite and Kurd. The Kurd’s territory sits on the bulk of the Iraqi oil fields. And guess who’s been chuming up to the Kurds ever since 2003? That’s right. Iswael.

Where did ISIS come from? How can a force like that come out of nowhere? In the real world, people don’t just organise themselves like that, do they.

Everyone who’s educated knows that Syria’s troubles have been caused by the US-sponsored “insurgent” groups (notice the labelling the presstitutes use for the useful idiots…). ISIS is now a big problem in their territory as well.

This, like Ukraine, has Brzezhinsky’s architectural paw prints all over it. And we all know Brez is a neocon at heart. And we all know the neocons are pulling Obama’s strings. (When I say “we” I am of course referring to those who’ve bothered to educate themselves in how the world works, which isn’t, strangely, a subject featured on Fox or any of the networks or even any of the compliant, clubby think-tanks and lobby groups websites, either. Go figure…) Anyway…

1+1=?

And when ISIS and other assorted thugs pretending to represent Islam but in reality, just being the thugs they really are, do what thugs do, Shawn, the useful idiot with a hammer, pretends this doesn’t mean 1+1 hasn’t sponsored, equipped, trained and commanded them. Talk about a moron.

And of course as I’ve also been telling you for years, we are being lead into a Muslim-Christian conflict. That’s the big picture in which to place all these individual puzzle pieces.

And duh, if that’s really what they’re doing, then der, of course it’s not going to be “Israeli state policy” or “US state policy” or anything else. Der.

I mean, anyone who really thinks the way the world works is by politicians fulfilling the will of the people by promulgating then executing “state policy” and that’s all that ever happens and that explains every little and big event we’ve ever seen happen in the whole world, is a galloping meathead moron times eleventy gajillion who probably poohs their pants and dribbles a lot.
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August 1, 2014 4:31pm
ShawnLH

IT’s about “Zionism” not Jews, right????

Germany: Muslim throws petrol bombs at synagogue.

BERLIN: German police arrested an 18-year-old man after petrol bombs were thrown at a synagogue in the western town of Wuppertal overnight, they said in a statement on Wednesday.

“According to investigations, three suspects threw several incendiary devices at the entrance,” police said. No one was hurt and it appears no damage was done to the synagogue, they said. A local resident had alerted them when she saw a fire close to the building.

Prosecutor Hans-Joachim Kiskel said the nationality of the arrested suspect was not clear but added that the man had told authorities he was Palestinian.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/germany-muslim-throws-petrol-bombs-at-synagogue
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August 1, 2014 4:38pm
UglyTruth

Israel is not their rightful inheritance.

So where is the land that is the rightful inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael, Shawn?
It didn’t just cease to exist as the Zionists would have you believe.

The founder of the Zionist state described the bounds of the territory of the state of Israel, are you going to contradict him with some new state policy?
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August 1, 2014 4:38pm
ShawnLH

Digging Out the Graves of Non-Muslims for Vengeance or Looting – A ‘Holy’ Tradition of Prophet Muhammad.

“Recently a Christian father in Egypt was murdered in broad daylight on the street in front of his son by the followers of the ‘religion of peace’. The killing itself didn’t become big news for the world community, as if it is the right of Muslims to oppress and kill non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries. However, the incident became a news only after the Muslim barbarians did the unimaginable: They dug out the corpse of the murdered Christian father from his grave, dragged it through the streets, and mutilated it.

This incident will certainly be shocking to non-Muslims. It will also be shocking to most of the ignorant Muslims, who bang their heads five times a day, without ever knowing much about their ‘religion’. But had they known Islam, the ‘Religion of peace’, well enough, this incident would not have been shocking or unusual to them. It is indeed a Sunnah, the holy tradition of Prophet Muhammad, left to his followers to emulate for the eternity to come. There are many incidents during the prophet’s time recorded in Sahih Hadiths, wherein Muslims dug out the corpse of non-Muslims from graves as a vengeance or for looting.”

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/117-ghalib/1541-digging-out-the-graves-of-non-muslims-for-vengeance-or-looting-a-holy-tradition-of-prophet-muhammad.html
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August 1, 2014 4:42pm
ShawnLH

“So where is the land that is the rightful inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael, Shawn?”

Arabia.
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August 1, 2014 4:43pm
Reid

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-31/markets-turmoil-russell-2000-plunges-most-over-2-years

Buy silver.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2710772/Mystery-rechargeable-batteries-lose-charge-rapidly-revealed-discovery-lead-cells-30-YEARS.html
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August 1, 2014 4:44pm
ShawnLH

Muhammad and His Sahaba Were All Rapists.

“In this article, I do not provide much analysis as the evidence from hadiths talks for itself. I provided evidence in an earlier posting, showing that Muhammad was a rapist. In this article, I extend on that evidence to show that Muhammad’s male comrades, called Sahaba, were also rapist. I also show that Muhammad himself gave approvals to the rape actions of the Sahaba as acceptable practice.”

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1505-muhammad-and-his-sahaba-were-all-rapists.html
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August 1, 2014 4:48pm
UglyTruth

“So where is the land that is the rightful inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael, Shawn?”

Arabia.

Do you mean the northern part of Arabia which falls within the land of the Abrahamic covenant and the territory of the Oden Yinon plan, or the southern part below it?
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August 1, 2014 4:49pm
ShawnLH

I mean any land that is Arabic due to history and ethnicity, which excludes the State of Israel.
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August 1, 2014 4:53pm
ShawnLH

Debunking the Palestine Lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U
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August 1, 2014 5:00pm
Reid

Chaos by Design

At the center of chaos, the wild-eyed President Obama strikes blindly, oblivious of the consequences, willing to risk a financial debacle or a nuclear war. He enforces sanctions against Iran; imposes sanctions on Russia; sets up missile bases five launch minutes from Moscow; sends killer drones against Pakistan, Yemen and Afghanistan; arms mercenaries in Syria; trains and equips Kurds in Iraq and pays for Israel’s savagery against Gaza.

Nothing works.

The Chaos President is blind to the fact that starving one’s adversaries does not secure submission: it unites them to resist. Regime change, imposing proxies by force and subterfuge, can destroy the social fabric of complex societies: Million of peasants and workers become uprooted refugees. Popular social movements are replaced by organized criminal gangs and bandit armies.

…

The US-backed Kiev aviation authorities re-directed international passenger airlines to fly over war zones bristling with anti-aircraft missiles while Kiev’s jets bombed the rebellious cities and towns. One flight was shot down and nearly 300 civilians perished. Immediately an explosion of accusations from Kiev blaming Russian President Putin flooded Western media with no real facts to explain the tragedy/crime. War-crazy President Obama and the slavering prime ministers of the EU ejaculated ultimatums, threatening to convert Russia into a pariah state. ‘Sanctions, sanctions, everywhere . . . but first… France must complete its $1.5 billion sale to the Russian navy.’ And the City of London exempts the Russian oligarchs from the ‘sanctions’, embedded as they are in London’s money-laundering, parasitical FIRE (Fire, Insurance and Real Estate) economy. The Cold War has returned and has taken an ugly turn… with exceptions…for business….

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-emperors-rage-let-chaos-envelop-the-world/5393817
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August 1, 2014 5:02pm
UglyTruth

I mean any land that is Arabic due to history and ethnicity, which excludes the State of Israel.

So you are saying that the territory of the state of Israel has priority over the land of inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael?
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August 1, 2014 5:04pm
calendar girl

Judith @ 11.30am. No “milk of human kindness” from you in the final paragraph of that comment, Judith. Perhaps not surprisingly when you associate yourself with jackinabox’s odious comment (although without quite understanding its metaphorical significance.

The Court has found that John Banks broke the law, and has sentenced him accordingly, but for myself I still feel able to experience sadness for a man who has beaten the depressing odds of his family and his upbringing, and contributed much to society through his public service. Despite his lapse that the Court has now punished, he has always appeared to me to be a decent person of substance and integrity.

I also think in these situations of errors that I have made in my own life that have gone undetected and unpunished. Most of us find ourselves in that situation from time to time, and I’ve heard some of a religious bent sometimes saying something like “There but for the grace of God go I”.

You yourself don’t seem to have any such ‘past behaviour’ regrets, Judith, as the absence of compassion at the end of your comment testifies. What I prefer not to assess, however, is the degree to which pure politics may have motivated the unbecoming vitriol in your final paragraph.
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August 1, 2014 5:08pm
UglyTruth

“So you are saying that the territory of the state of Israel has priority over the land of inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael?”

No answer from ShawnLH. The outcome here is either to accept that the state has the right of premption of a pre-existing covenant, or to accept that the land of inheritance remains the same as it was in the beginning, with separate areas for Jews and Muslims with the area between the Nile and Euphrates.
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August 1, 2014 5:25pm
Reid

Who was America’s first Pres? (It wasn’t Washington)…

http://rense.com/general96/whowasamfirst.html
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August 1, 2014 5:30pm
ShawnLH

“So you are saying that the territory of the state of Israel has priority over the land of inheritance of the descendants of Ishmael?”

No, I am saying that the descendent’s of Ishmael have no right to the land of Israel. The blessing of God follows the line of Isaac and his descendent’s.
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August 1, 2014 5:49pm
ShawnLH

The Steady Rise of African Zionism.

“There is something quite remarkable happening on the African continent. A groundswell of love and support from African Christians for the State of Israel, forged in biblical ties and a mutual love of the land.

It is a relationship that has endured and survived political hardships. And at a time when Israel is feeling increasingly isolated, it is very welcome. Voices calling for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions against the Jewish State grow louder around the world, but the ties binding us to Africa grow stronger.”

http://www.whyisrael.org/2014/04/29/the-steady-rise-of-african-zionism/
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August 1, 2014 5:50pm
nasska

UglyTruth

A Google query reveals that Ishmael was born in 1911BC. Muhammad didn’t invent Islam until about 700AD so the original divvy up of the ME favouring the Israeliis is probably the correct one.

Unless you mean land taken by conquest in which case the Turks being descendants of the Ottoman Empire probably have more rights to the land than those who call themselves Palestinian.
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August 1, 2014 5:55pm
ShawnLH

Israel is a sign of hope: A conversation with Rabbi David Brodman.

“There is a story in the Talmud about Rabbi Akiva, who came to the Temple Mount with his friends for the first time after the destruction of the temple. They saw then that everything had been ploughed up. The Romans wanted to wipe out every reminder of the Jews from Aelia Capitolina. Everything had been ploughed up and they saw foxes coming out of their dens. Then they started to cry: ‘the place where only the high priest was allowed to enter, once a year and now foxes are running around there!’ Then Rabbi Akiva laughed and said: ‘why are you crying?’ ‘And why, then, are you laughing?’ He said: ‘when I saw the foxes I knew that what the prophets say is true. For first it says: Zion will be ploughed up like a field and foxes will walk on it. When I saw that I did not know whether I was to take it literally. But then I saw that the prophet also says: ‘old people, women and men, will again sit in Jerusalem’s streets’ and I did not know whether I was to take that literally. Now, however, after the destruction, that I see how literally the negative prophecy has been fulfilled, should this not give me the courage to believe in the other prophecy, that Jerusalem will be rebuilt; that the old people will sit there and children will play there?’ And then I say: we are seeing now what Rabbi Akiva saw to a limited extent – and a lot more. We are two thousand years further on and everything lay desolate for two thousand years. The Temple Mount was sometimes treated in a terrible way. And see, we are coming back. Old people are sitting in Yerushalayim; children are dancing in the streets. ”

http://www.whyisrael.org/2012/02/13/israel-is-a-sign-of-hope-a-conversation-with-rabbi-david-brodman/
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August 1, 2014 5:58pm
goldnkiwi

Do I get a tee-shirt? 🙂
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August 1, 2014 5:58pm
cricko

So. This little arsehole maintains his innocence but is so very, very remorsefull.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/10338246/No-parole-for-Rod-Petricevic

Shit he’s only been in jail 5 minutes, good decent honest people lost everything because of
his dishonesty.

You can bet that he has kept up his membership of the Remuera golf club while “paying his debt to society.”
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August 1, 2014 5:58pm
Reid

Good analysis of the widespread use by the West of the propaganda “human shield” meme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi4uNBOFbic&list=UU2Xd902w9u5_2oa7SHFSvZw

Not of course that the useful idiots enthralled by the puppeteers will be watching any of it. No. They’ll naturally stop the wretched video after the first 5 seconds and reach for the mouse to aim at the downtick, before screaming outraged in their fevered delusion: don’t you know it’s – gasp – RT????????!!!!!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!

All the while pretending to themselves it was their mind using logic, rather than the real cause, their tummy; that was resisting the quite logical, quite factual information transmission; lest they regard themselves as quite the fool, for all these years, for ever having been so stupid as to ever believe such palpably and transparently false complete and utter bollocks.

To Shawn: on Rabbi Akiva: http://rense.com/general60/ereh.htm

P.S. Don if you read this, you should read that too. This is the heart of the issue.
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August 1, 2014 6:04pm
Fletch

Charles Krauthammer has an excellent article about how John Kerry is totally stuffing up negotiations. Egypt already had a ceasefire proposal in place, which Kerry just had to agree to, and which would have defanged Hamas. Most of the other Arab countries (especially Egypt) want to see Hamas gone as well.

Instead, what does Kerry do? He flies off to Paris and works out a different deal there – almost acting as Hamas’ lawyer.

John Kerry is upset by heavy criticism from Israelis — left, right and center — of his recent cease-fire diplomacy. But that’s only half the story. More significant is the consternation of America’s Arab partners, starting with the president of the Palestinian Authority. Mahmoud Abbas was stunned that Kerry would fly off to Paris to negotiate with Hamas allies Qatar and Turkey in talks that excluded the PA and Egypt.

The talks also undermined Egypt’s cease-fire proposal, which Israel had accepted and Hamas rejected (and would have prevented the vast majority of the casualties on both sides). “Kerry tried through his latest plan to destroy the Egyptian bid,” charged a senior Palestinian official quoted in the Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat — a peace plan that the PA itself had supported.

It gets worse. Kerry did not just trample an Egyptian initiative. It was backed by the entire Arab League and specifically praised by Saudi Arabia. With the exception of Qatar — more a bank than a country — the Arabs are unanimous in wanting to see Hamas weakened, if not overthrown. The cease-fire-in-place they backed would have denied Hamas any reward for starting this war, while what Kerry brought back from Paris granted practically all of its demands.

Which is what provoked the severe criticism Kerry received at home. When as respected and scrupulously independent a national security expert as David Ignatius calls Kerry’s intervention a blunder, you know this is not partisan carping from the usual suspects. This is general amazement at Kerry’s cluelessness.

Kerry seems oblivious to the strategic reality that Hamas launched its rockets in the hope not of defeating Israel but of ending its intra-Arab isolation (which it brilliantly achieves in the Qatar-Turkey peace proposal). Hamas’s radicalism has alienated nearly all of its Arab neighbors.

●Egypt cut it off — indeed blockaded Gaza — because of Hamas’s support for the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorist attacks on Egyptian soldiers in Sinai.

●Fatah, the main element of the Palestinian Authority, is a bitter enemy, particularly since its Gaza members were terrorized, kneecapped, expelled and/or killed when Hamas seized Gaza in a 2007 coup.

●Hamas is non grata in Syria, where it had been previously headquartered, for supporting the anti-government rebels.

●Hamas is deeply opposed by Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, which see it, correctly, as yet another branch of the Islamist movement that threatens relatively moderate pro-Western Arab states.

Kerry seems not to understand that the Arab League backed the Egyptian cease-fire-in-place, which would have left Hamas weak and isolated, to ensure that Hamas didn’t emerge from this war strengthened and enhanced.

Why didn’t Kerry just stay home and declare unequivocal U.S. support for the Egyptian/Arab League plan? Instead, he flew off to Paris and sent Jerusalem a package of victories for Hamas: lifting the blockade from Egypt, opening the border with Israel, showering millions of foreign cash to pay the salaries of the 43,000 (!) government workers that the near-insolvent Hamas cannot.

Forget about Israeli interests. Forget about Arab interests. The American interest is to endorse and solidify this emerging axis of moderate pro-American partners (Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other Gulf states, and the Palestinian Authority) intent on seeing Islamist radicalism blunted and ultimately defanged.

Yet America’s secretary of state doesn’t see it. Speaking of Hamas-run Gaza, Kerry actually said in Paris: “The Palestinians can’t have a cease-fire in which they think the status quo is going to stay.” What must change? Gazans need “goods that can come in and out . . . a life that is free from the current restraints.”

But the only reason for those “restraints,” why goods are unable to go in and out, is that for a decade Hamas has used this commerce to import and develop weapons for making war on Israel.

Remember the complaints that the heartless Israelis were not allowing enough imports of concrete for schools and hospitals? Well, now we know where the concrete went — into an astonishingly vast array of tunnels for infiltrating neighboring Israeli villages and killing civilians. (More than half a million tons, estimates the Israeli military.)

Lifting the blockade would mean a flood of arms, rockets, missile parts and other implements of terror for Hamas. What is an American secretary of state doing asserting that Hamas cannot cease fire unless it gets that?

Moreover, the fire from which Hamas will not cease consists of deliberate rocket attacks on Israeli cities — by definition, a war crime.

Whatever his intent, Kerry legitimized Hamas’s war criminality. Which makes his advocacy of Hamas’s terms not just a strategic blunder — enhancing a U.S.-designated terrorist group just when a wall-to-wall Arab front wants to see it gone — but a moral disgrace.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-clueless-in-gaza/2014/07/31/d781a286-18e8-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

Kerry is a f***** disgrace. The U.S is supposed to be on Israel’s side, but these lefties obviously aren’t.
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August 1, 2014 6:10pm
Other_Andy

Trapped in Gaza: How Hamas punishes reporters for the truth

Journalists who have taken pictures of Hamas operatives preparing to shoot rockets from civilian structures and/or fighting in civilian clothing have been threatened by Hamas operatives and had their equipment confiscated.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/trapped-in-gaza-how-hamas-punishes-reporters-for-the-truth/story-e6frg6zo-1227007768903
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August 1, 2014 6:14pm
Reid

Not sure if the annoying YouTube indexing has advanced that 6.04 vid through the playlist. If so this is it without the index.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi4uNBOFbic
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August 1, 2014 6:18pm
ShawnLH

From the master of brainless gullibility, Reid: “To Shawn: on Rabbi Akiva: http://rense.com/general60/ereh.htm”

From the same web site Reid promotes:

“Will Ferrell Promotes Jewish Agenda (big surprise)” ( Note that phrase, the JEWISH AGENDA.)

“The Illuminati Depopulation Agenda”

“Brave Jew Sniper Executes Injured Palestinian”

“Jews Using Gaza Slaughter To Solicit Donations!” (Again, note the use of “Jew” not Zionist or Israeli)

“Alien Artifacts On The Moon”

“UFOLOGY Has Little Influence In The Scientific Community”

“UFO Seen Hovering Over Neighbor’s Home In PA”

“12 Reasons To Stop Using Microwaves NOW”

“Do Animals Have ESP?”

“William Moore – UFO Opportunist Or Disinfo Agent?”

“Has Chemtrail/Geoengineering Movement Been Hijacked?”

“The Word Warfare Of Rabid Psychotic Zionism”

So, here folks is the kind of web site Reid uses for information. UFO’s. Alien artifacts on the moon, Chemtrails. Evil Microwaves. The Illuminati. Animals have ESP. And of course lots about evil Jews.
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August 1, 2014 6:22pm
Grant

Bloody hell Reid! You really are quite mad.
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August 1, 2014 6:27pm
Reid

From the same web site Reid promotes:

Websites aren’t important Shawn. It’s the information they contain. But if you’ve only got a hammer, then you wouldn’t understand that elementary and logical distinction.

You should read Ehrlich’s books. I guarantee you’ll learn many things. And he’s a much holier man than you, your wife, or I. And he’s a Jew.

Bloody hell Reid! You really are quite mad.

Yes, cognitive dissonance sufferers might think that G. Perhaps if you can stop thinking with your tummy, you might make some progress toward unfolding reality. Lest it all surprises you, when the hammer finally falls, and your world changes in an instant, straight out of, to you, nowhere.
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August 1, 2014 6:32pm
Manolo

Whereby “quite” means a thousand million times. 🙂
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August 1, 2014 6:32pm
Fletch

A very good documentary film made in 2005 called The Forgotten Refugees about the nearly 1 million Jews that were forced from Arab lands.

The Forgotten Refugees is a 2005 documentary film produced by The David Project and IsraTV that recounts the rich history of the ancient Jewish communities of the Middle East and North Africa and their rapid demise in the face of persecution in the decades following the creation of the modern State of Israel in 1948. The film was directed by Michael Grynszpan with Ralph Avi Goldwasser serving as the executive producer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8RL2XRr48

The film won two awards –

The Forgotten Refugees won the “Best Documentary Film” at the 2007 Marbella Film Festival.[1]

In 2006, the film won “Best Featured Documentary” at the Warsaw Jewish Film Festival.[2]
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August 1, 2014 6:38pm
Reid

Whereby “quite” means a thousand million times.

You made me smile Manolo so I gave you an uptick, whereas if you’d said eleventy gajillion, I would have bothered to do some rearch and discovered how to give you two.
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August 1, 2014 6:41pm
ShawnLH

“Websites aren’t important Shawn. It’s the information they contain.”

LOL!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Anyone else with more than two braincells to rub together see a wee problem with Reid’s statement? 🙂

THAT Reid is cognitive dissonance!!! 🙂
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August 1, 2014 6:45pm
nasska

….”I would have bothered to do some rearch and discovered how to give you two.”….

Just get hold of Baity Reid….he’s cracked it. 🙂
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August 1, 2014 6:47pm
tom hunter

Investigative Reporting?:

The idea that one of Hamas’ main command bunkers is located beneath Shifa Hospital in Gaza City is one of the worst-kept secrets of the Gaza war. So why aren’t reporters in Gaza ferreting it out? The precise location of a large underground bunker equipped with sophisticated communications equipment and housing some part of the leadership of a major terrorist organization beneath a major hospital would seem to qualify as a world-class scoop—the kind that might merit a Pulitzer, or at least a Polk.

It’s not a scoop as most of the reporters already know about it, which is hardly surprising because the Israelis themselves built it back in 1983 as a huge underground operating room, not that Hamas is being secretive either:

So why isn’t the fact that Hamas uses Shifa Hospital as a command post making headlines? In part, it’s because the location is so un-secret that Hamas regularly meets with reporters there. On July 15, for example, William Booth of the Washington Post wrote that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.” Back in 2006, PBS even aired a documentary showing how gunmen roam the halls of the hospital, intimidate the staff, and deny them access to protected locations within the building.

That’s pretty brazen – but it would still require some degree of cooperation from the reporters.

To that end, the rules of reporting from Shifa Hospital are easy for any newbie reporter to understand: No pictures of members of Hamas with their weapons inside the hospital, and don’t go anywhere near the bunkers, or the operating rooms where members of Hamas are treated. While reporters can meet with members of Hamas inside the hospital—because it’s obviously convenient for everyone—they are not allowed to take pictures.

Reporters inside Gaza who are risking their lives to bring the world whatever news they can should hardly be blamed for obeying Hamas’ media rules, which the organization has helpfully written down in case anyone has doubts about what they are permitted to show.

The Hamas websites are really brazen. It’s like they don’t care who knows thus stuff, and in the case of those rules:

Reporters who bravely or foolishly violate Hamas’ rules even on their social media accounts can be seen to repent with such alacrity that it’s not difficult to imagine how scared and dependent they are. Nick Casey of the Wall Street Journal, for example, tweeted that “You have to wonder w the shelling how patients at Shifa hospital feel as Hamas uses it as a safe place to see media.” Casey then quickly deleted his tweet, which didn’t save him from being put on a list of journalists who “lie/fabricate info for Israel” and “must be sued” – a threat which is surely the least of Casey’s fears.

Last week, French-Palestinian journalist Radjaa Abu Dagg was summoned to Shifa by Hamas and interrogated. He wrote about the experience of “attempted intimidation” for Liberation—and then quickly had the paper take down the article.

I guess that’s why we haven’t seen this story in all the Jewish controlled Western media, right? The article points out exactly what we do see on TV1 and TV3 every night:

What Hamas has done, therefore, is to turn Shifa Hospital into a Hollywood sound-stage filled with real, live war victims who are used to score propaganda points, while the terrorists inside the hospital itself are erased from photographs and news accounts through a combination of pressure and threats, in order to produce the stories that Hamas wants. So if reporters aren’t entirely to blame for participating in this sick charade, then who is?

Good question:

it’s the job of editors, sitting thousands of miles away, at a very safe remove from the battlefield, to note that dispatches were produced under pressure, or that key information was removed by a government—as nearly all mainstream media outlets do when battlefield dispatches pass through the hands of the IDF censor.

A good editor might attach similar notes to dispatches from combat zones controlled by terrorist organizations. He or she might also decide that reporting only the news that Hamas deems fit to print from Shifa Hospital isn’t actually reporting at all: It’s propaganda.

A good editor? In the West?
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“Yes, cognitive dissonance sufferers might think that G.”

No, SANE people do not get their information from web sites that indulge in UFO conspiracies, the evil of microwave ovens, Chemtrails, Alien artifacts on the moon, and quite likely the odd sighting of Elvis Presley. It’s not cognitive dissonance to criticize the kind of whackjob nuttery you use in place of thinking.

“Perhaps if you can stop thinking with your tummy”

You really should get professional help with this creepy obsession with other peoples tummies.
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