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Lucia Maria

Or better yet, a petition to send DotCom to the US. I’d sign it.
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August 18, 2014 8:26pm
goldnkiwi

Yoza (1,630 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

How peculiar, I take the opposite view, the sunlight needs to be shone on those that are complicit in the theft of private property. Let alone profiting from it.
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August 18, 2014 8:30pm
Reid

Slater and his little band of National party apparatchiks have been comprehensively exposed as a bunch of nasty little creeps and John Key appears to be ‘up to his nuts in guts’ in the whole sordid affair.

No Yoza the fact is they’ve been subject to smears by a bunch of nasty little creeps frustrated that for six years they’ve been unable to gain any traction whatsoever so they decided to orchestrate a litany of lies.

I’m not worried at all. In fact I’m surprised it’s taken you guys this long to get around to doing it. One assumes your carefully calculated timing is because you hallucinate the public will operate like the particularly stupid sheep you lefties hallucinate them to be, easily manipulated by your cynical, evil machinations which show nothing of the ethical stance you constantly bray drives you but which you and I and all the beltway knows actually does nothing but mask your lizard-like cold, dark hearts.

We know who you are, Yoza and we know you’re 180 degrees from your public presentation of yourselves.

You’ve made a mistake though, you’ve crossed a line. In the past your shenanigans have been tolerated but now you, by your evil actions have forced our hand, and now you can expect no mercy in the public destruction of your reputation. Which is imminent.

But like the girly men you lefties are, you won’t tie said destructions to the consequences of your own actions. No. Like children, you think you’ve done nothing wrong. Don’t you. Sorry pal. You’re playing big boys games, penalties are required for misbehaviour. The hammer will be falling Yoza.

Sleep well.
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August 18, 2014 8:33pm
Yoza

Deep breaths, Reid.
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August 18, 2014 8:40pm
doggone7

Johnboy; “…I took one look at that…”

Ah, political credibility by appearances! So Hager misses out and you’re going with Slater? Mmmmmmmm…..
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August 18, 2014 8:41pm
Johnboy

I hate it when them lefties try to treat us like sheep reid! 🙂
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August 18, 2014 8:42pm
Johnboy

Whales are nice. Stick insects are yucky dogone7! 🙂
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August 18, 2014 8:44pm
Yoza

goldnkiwi (1,088 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 8:30 pm

Yoza (1,630 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

How peculiar, I take the opposite view, the sunlight needs to be shone on those that are complicit in the theft of private property. Let alone profiting from it.

There is a passage where Cactus Kate urges Hooton, Farrar and Slater to publicise Hager’s address so very rich Chinese people might deal to him, and you are saying this form of terrorism should remain hidden?
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August 18, 2014 8:46pm
EAD

That is true Reid. These “useful idiots” who support whatever malignant, liberal cause, naively believe themselves to be a force for good

Once these useful idiots have been used to overthrow the basis of Western Civilization , they will be the first ones lined up against the wall and shot as they take down the scenery, pull back the curtains, move the tables and chairs out of the way and the liberals will then see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.

They don’t read history and understand that the first ones the Bolsheviks, Pol Pot, Mao et al. lined up against the wall were the intellectual class once they’d been used to achieve their goals.
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August 18, 2014 8:46pm
lurcher1948

dad4justice (7,895 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
So freemark we on the same page, however don’t start a flame war by saying you think I am lurcher.

Wise words Dad,leave me out of it.
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August 18, 2014 8:47pm
Johnboy

Quite right EAD. You can understand them shooting the rich but what sane bastards would shoot the peasants?

I mean for fucks sake who would clean the drains etc. Yuk yuk yuk! 🙂
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August 18, 2014 8:55pm
goldnkiwi

Yoza (1,632 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

Did it happen? Private communications should be just that. If the police, GCSB etc consider that there has been a ‘crime’ then they have evidence and get a warrant. Where is the authority for a hacker to take it upon themselves to be an ‘authority’.

Personally I think what is happening is treasonous. My opinion is that we have quite benign governance so why is there such a concerted attack to ‘bring down the government? .com, other political parties? Self interest not for the public good.

As for the perceived threat, not sure if I have seen you on a Bain associated thread, go have a look, now that is toxic. 🙂
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August 18, 2014 8:57pm
Jack5

Unless Hager the Horrible (HH) reveals his source so that the emails can be verified as authentic, all of HH’s “revelations” are untested and unproven. Some or the whole lot may be forgeries, either by HH or by his alleged source, or those behind the alleged source.

How easy to print out alleged emails, or to post alleged emails to some site.

One thing l puzzles. Why did the anti-Semitic poster vandals apparently synchronise their nastiness with the HH release? What is the connection between HH and Herr Dotcom? HH’s statements about his visits to Herr Dotcom have so far been unconvincing.

I’m astonished the MSM in its excitement at being able to rip into Key and National are ignoring the veracity tests. Has the Hooerald, which apparently seems to be in touch with what HH alleges is his source, made any forensic attempts to prove the veracity of the emails? That would entail learning how and when they were hacked, with method disclosed. Not merely accepting some statement from some HH source.

I’m unconvinced there is no link between HH’s alleged source for the latest leaks, and his alleged source for the hack that sank Don Brash and National much earlier.

HH initially tried to pass off the hack as part of or related to a DOS attack. So either he is ready to lie about his alleged source, or he is a computer illiterate (which is very unlikely).

Sadly, many even in National swallowed HH’s bullshit that the much earlier Brash emails were an inside leak. So I suppose there is some justice in National being caught again by HH.

IMHO, the prime suspect is still a rogue leftist in, or with strong connections to, the GCSB, and that bullshit from HH and his allies is to throw everyone off the scent. However, I’m intrigued by HH’s visits to Hefty Herman the Lefty German.

Tens of good right-wing hackers would relish being loosed on HH’s trail. Will anyone in National let the dogs out?
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August 18, 2014 8:57pm
Yoza

Jack5 (4,713 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

Unless Hager the Horrible (HH) reveals his source so that the emails can be verified as authentic, all of HH’s “revelations” are untested and unproven. Some or the whole lot may be forgeries, either by HH or by his alleged source, or those behind the alleged source.

Watching John Key stumble throw a growing queue of interviews should be enough to convince any sane person these emails exist and are extraordinarily damaging. The ‘nice guy’, ‘easy go lucky’ persona that has been so carefully cultivated during Key’s reign is being seriously threatened by this PR disaster – without the Key personality cult National are in a hole.
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August 18, 2014 9:08pm
RightNow

So your argument is Key is being hounded my the media therefore we should believe he is guilty of something?
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August 18, 2014 9:11pm
stephieboy

Shawn L H,
MSNBC etc pale in comparison ,

Examples ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies#Photo_manipulation

Inside the Fox Lie Machine
,
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/

and RT for a change declares the Truth about something ,

Confirmed: Fox News makes people dumb

http://rt.com/usa/fox-people-study-watch-055/

Glen Beck’s complicity in the Fox lie machine,

http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/04/06/the-50-worst-things-glenn-beck-said-on-fox-news/178421

What If… Fox News Covered The Marvel Universe?

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/06/fox-news-covered-marvel-universe/

Fox has a sulk and fails to report the Republican led House Committee Intelligence report clearing the Obama administration of any wrong doing over Benghazi ,

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/listen-fox-news-covers-house-benghazi-report-vindicating-obam

And on it goes.
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August 18, 2014 9:12pm
Reid

Unless Hager the Horrible (HH) reveals his source

No the question is, where did the source get it from. Trace it back. Through multiple hands. To the real source.
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August 18, 2014 9:13pm
Judith

Johnboy (15,374 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
I hate it when them lefties try to treat us like sheep reid!

It’s not the lefties treating us like sheep.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u37dvm7ef3ir56m/1977484_10203263957063157_381467780_n.jpg
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August 18, 2014 9:23pm
Yoza

RightNow (6,771 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

So your argument is Key is being hounded my the media therefore we should believe he is guilty of something?

No, my argument is the content of the emails is so terrifying for Key he is refusing to answer questions and is attempting to talk over interviewers, which in turn is aggravating those in the media who are generally docile.

goldnkiwi (1,089 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

Did it happen? Private communications should be just that. If the police, GCSB etc consider that there has been a ‘crime’ then they have evidence and get a warrant. Where is the authority for a hacker to take it upon themselves to be an ‘authority’.

Personally I think what is happening is treasonous. My opinion is that we have quite benign governance so why is there such a concerted attack to ‘bring down the government? .com, other political parties? Self interest not for the public good.

It is those who exercise the greatest degree of authority who should be subject to the greatest degree of scrutiny. If it is treasonous to question the legitimacy of the activities of National party proxies then we seriously need to redefine the definition of treason.
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August 18, 2014 9:29pm
Left Right and Centre

Whoa . . . Reid . . . go you good thing . . . what a bitch-slapping – go boy
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August 18, 2014 9:30pm
Reid

It’s not the lefties treating us like sheep.

The thing about sheep Judith is they don’t know they are one.
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August 18, 2014 9:30pm
stigie

Well fuck me, has Judith taken a trip over the hill to Wainui and taken a photo of Johnboys sheep ?
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August 18, 2014 9:36pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Was Collins a ‘leaker’ before JK’s arrival, was it something that already existed and which he became lulled into thinking that it was par for the course or price to pay for internal, party, support? Right at the moment he looks flustered, perhaps its because of something he inherited from within some of the party when he entered politics – a way of doing things that was engrained for some in the Executive or those aspiring leadership.

Judith Collins has displayed venom toward her predecessor, spoken about ensuring people fear her ‘if’ they don’t love her, paying ‘back double.’ It’s likely that it will be exposed in Court that she doesn’t appreciate what ‘Executive Powers and responsibility’ are – that in fact they are not tools at her disposal to go about settling ‘pay back,’ of old or imagined scores – even the return of ‘favours.’ With the words ‘executive’ and ‘prerogative’ time seems to have moved back to the days when a King or Queen ruled only with fear, set out to ensure the safety of their reign against the merest hint of treachery. In that scene, who walks forward into the Royal Court with the other’s head displayed on a tray, JK or the benefactor of his generosity?
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August 18, 2014 9:47pm
adc

well, I think JK is going to have to turn around on this one, and time is running out.

I can understand he doesn’t want to make a judgement without considering facts, and Espiner shouldn’t try to force that issue, just like he wouldn’t wander into a court at the start of a trial and try to force the Judge to give a verdict there and then. But the allegation is serious enough (breach of privacy), that it needs to be investigated and answered.

There are 2 issues around the labour website breach. The nature of how the data was accessed, which has been

* handled clumsily by JK and the media
* handled dishonestly by Cunliffe and the Herald, talking about infiltration and exploitation of security vulnerabilities.

And what was done with the information, which is a bigger issue. JK can’t ignore the second issue, and that means he will need to burn Jason Ede.

As for whether there is dirt in politics, “dirty politics” is a tautology and most people feel that and are sickened by it. I think a more popular stance would be instead of saying everyone does it so it’s ok, even if JK said everyone does it and it’s an unfortunate and unpleasant side of politics he’d move onto the right side of the voters on it. It’s fundamentally not OK, but we would be kidding ourselves if we thought some parties don’t do it.

How both sides are dealing with this is creating some opportunities that are being squandered as well. Nobody is pulling Cunliffe up on his outrageous claims.

Tick tock.
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August 18, 2014 9:50pm
Jack5

Reid posted at 9.13:

No the question is, where did the source get it from…

The source needs to prove he or she did get it from someone else, that the hack is clean and any downloaded material has not been adulterated for political purposes, whether the material is genuine or any part of it is genuine.

I’m no lawyer, but doesn’t the anonymity of this major attack at election time by Hager the Horrible in some way attack an ancient Western political right. This is the right of being able to identify your accuser. This goes back to the Romans not carrying out the death penalty on a person before that person was able to exercise his right to face his accuser.

Wikipedia explains that the 6th amendment of the US Constitution provides that “in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him.”

HH’s hacks are initially a political matter, but in the views of many they are illegal. Surely the targets have the right to know the sources of the allegations of what they are claimed to have been stating in emails. This guy is frigging around with a general election. If he is bullshitting, this may not be proved until after the election, and in the meantime is Leftist friends will benefit.

HH alleges anonymity protects his source, but there is a question over whether he is a bona fide journalist. He said on TV that he was a writer, and that is not necessarily equivalent to being an authorised journalist with some rights, such as access to court coverage and so on.

For fuck’s sake National, get some decent hackers on HH’s trail. If this leads to the international hackers known as Anonymous, let us voters know that these international bandits are interfering with our electoral process.
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August 18, 2014 9:50pm
goldnkiwi

Yoza (1,634 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 9:29 pm

What rot, I can think of many postings on facebook that I consider unwise but which are written in the heat of emotion, but they at least are known to be in a public forum. I would consider my emails benign but I believe private communications are exactly that, private, or do you think the disclaimers regarding being the intended recipient often found beneath communications are only to be adhered to by some?

Was Whale Oil trying to bring the elected government down or something? That would be seditious. The level of loathing and hatred for ones fellow man evidenced by all this crap is not my idea of NZ as a paradise.

Every indicator I have seen puts NZ as an admirable place to be economically and socially ffs what more do some of you people want. We are already the envy of many anecdotally, clearly that is not enough.
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August 18, 2014 9:56pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Obviously things are not all good in fairy land, or even down the isles between the wine and whisky.
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August 18, 2014 10:00pm
goldnkiwi

Aisles
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August 18, 2014 10:04pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Sure.
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August 18, 2014 10:05pm
SGA

goldnkiwi at 10:04 pm

Aisles

Or not, perhaps it’s somewhere in the Channel between Scotland and France?
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August 18, 2014 10:07pm
Yoza

Jack5 (4,714 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 9:50 pm

For fuck’s sake, National get some decent hackers on HH’s trail. If this leads to the international hackers known as Anonymous, let us voters know that these international bandits are interfering with our electoral process.

Did you just drop out of a vacuum Jack5? Nicky Hager would have been the subject of intense GCSB scrutiny since he connected them to the 5-eyes network in 1996 in his book Secret Power – New Zealand’s Role in the International Spy Network.
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August 18, 2014 10:11pm
Yoza

goldnkiwi (1,091 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

What rot, I can think of many postings on facebook that I consider unwise but which are written in the heat of emotion, but they at least are known to be in a public forum. I would consider my emails benign but I believe private communications are exactly that, private, or do you think the disclaimers regarding being the intended recipient often found beneath communications are only to be adhered to by some?

Was Whale Oil trying to bring the elected government down or something? That would be seditious. The level of loathing and hatred for ones fellow man evidenced by all this crap is not my idea of NZ as a paradise.

Slater and his cohorts were/are undermining the democratic process by attempting to discredit and intimidate critics of the Key regime, they are acting against the interests of the New Zealand public by performing in such a way.
Privately conspiring to undermine the public good is not a private activity and should, obviously, be subjected to public scrutiny.

It’s not that hard to understand, goldenkiwi.
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August 18, 2014 10:22pm
adc

Yoza, except what do you do if your opponents are doing it, or you have information that proves they are lying so you want to use it.

I guess they feel it’s war out there.
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August 18, 2014 10:24pm
goldnkiwi

SGA (907 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

Surely Isles with a capital then? It was not a benign random statement SGA. I know what is behind that pseudonym and I know that it knows who I am 😉 I do not usually acknowledge its existence but I do so hate spelling mistakes. 🙂
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August 18, 2014 10:27pm
Reid

Did you just drop out of a vacuum Jack5? Nicky Hager would have been the subject of intense GCSB scrutiny since he connected them to the 5-eyes network in 1996 in his book…

And Yoza “knows” this, how?

Because he hallucinates this is “how things work?”

Or does he have any evidence?

And does the incongruity of his hallucination that this is really what is happening with the fact “the state” has clearly been blindsided by Hagar’s revelations, make any difference to this fevered yet truly held, tightly held, “belief?”

No, of course not.

Conclusion:

Yoza believes what he wants to believe. Like an evil cop on the force he deliberately discards evidence that conflicts with his chosen fantasy about whodunnit. He approves of evidence planting because he hallucinates he knows best, never mind the proof. And just like the evil cop, he hides behind the uniform, the front of the good and faithful lefty, who wants to help people and just be kind, because he weally weally weally cares.
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August 18, 2014 10:30pm
SGA

adc at 10:24 pm

I guess they feel it’s war out there.

The descriptions within The Prince have the general theme of accepting that the aims of princes—such as glory and survival—can justify the use of immoral means to achieve those ends.
“ He who neglects what is done for what ought to be done, sooner effects his ruin than his preservation. ”
—Machiavelli, “Chapter 15”, The Prince, Wikisource
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August 18, 2014 10:31pm
goldnkiwi

Yoza (1,636 comments) says:

August 18th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Funny that is exactly how I feel about the diminutive .com who does not even belong here. Seems to me that Whale is pretty open about his allegiances, biases and purposes. Perhaps Nicky would like to show and tell his own emails?
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August 18, 2014 10:31pm
flipper

Heh Nos…

Loved your earlier (9.47). 🙂

Power was as good as his word, and the agreed process was endorsed by the Cabinet.

Collins was nothing less than …. well, I re-read OTB’s analysis this afternoon. Love to post it all here, but it runs to about 21,000 words. Then there was the follow-up.

If Collins thought Oravida was a problem…. well that 5000 ton Binnie freight train is still roaring down the tracks at 85mph, and Collins + the porno judge are still trying to emulate the old time railroad “brakeman”.

But that cunning “judge”, and former Police/Thomas Royal Commission attack dog, gave himself a “get out of jail free card”, by saying Binnie might have reached the same conclusions even if he had followed Fisher’s childish academic process.

As I have said before, there will be only one National Party looser (post September 20) in all of this – Judith Collins.
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August 18, 2014 10:35pm
Yoza

adc (580 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

Yoza, except what do you do if your opponents are doing it, or you have information that proves they are lying so you want to use it.

I guess they feel it’s war out there.

The government controls a serious chunk of New Zealand’s economy, the depths to which some have demonstrated they are prepared to descend to ensure their cabal maintains its influence over that chunk of the economy has gone beyond the ‘cut and thrust’ of politics as usual.

I think this episode will be the event that defines John Key’s contribution to New Zealand’s political history. Rob Muldoon: Think Big. David Lange: Rogernomics. Jim Bolger: Rogernomics. Jenny Shipley: Rogernomics. Helen Clark: Rogernomics. John Key: Dirty Politics.
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August 18, 2014 10:42pm
Yoza

Good night, Reid. 🙂
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August 18, 2014 10:46pm
Jack5

Yoza posted at 11.10:

Nicky Hager would have been the subject of intense GCSB scrutiny since he connected them to the 5-eyes network in 1996 …

Would have been????

More speculation, just like Hager the Horrible. An ounce of fact, a pound of extrapolation and leftist interpretation. Then off to bed.

Two hundred or so people at least in the GCSB, and one of them is likely to be a rogue leftist who is the central hacker.
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August 18, 2014 10:49pm
goldnkiwi

And if he isn’t/wasn’t I damn well hope he is now along with all his known ‘cohorts’. His idea of the public good and mine are world’s apart. Gee I hope the language isn’t too strong!!!
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August 18, 2014 10:59pm
cha

From tonights news.(NSFW)
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August 18, 2014 11:01pm
publicwatchdog

How many decent members and supporters of the National Party are as appalled and disgusted as growing numbers of New Zealanders and are realising that their Party is being led by venal, corrupt cockroaches who have infested our House of Parliament, are out of control, and need to be cleaned out on 20 September 2014?

How will the decent members and supporters of the National Party help make that happen?

Penny Bright
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August 18, 2014 11:04pm
Jack5

Re daffy Penny Bright at 11.04:

You’d be all for the Labour bloke who’s apologised for being a man, wouldn’t you Penny.

Are you the person everyone’s always banging on about not paying her rates?

If so, you are a bit of a hypocrite talking about venal cockroaches, aren’t you?
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August 18, 2014 11:18pm
niggly

Yoza (1,638 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

“Slater and his cohorts were/are undermining the democratic process by attempting to discredit and intimidate critics of the Key regime, they are acting against the interests of the New Zealand public by performing in such a way.
Privately conspiring to undermine the public good is not a private activity and should, obviously, be subjected to public scrutiny. “

Hmmm, let’s undertake the role-reversal test:

“H1, H2, H3 and their cohorts were/are undermining the democratic process by attempting to discredit and intimidate critics of Clark’s Labour regime, they are acting against the interests of the New Zealand public by performing in such a way.
Privately conspiring to undermine the public good is not a private activity and should, obviously, be subjected to public scrutiny. “

Hmmm, even the simplest of name changes still renders the same meaning …

Which simply goes to show, you seem genuinely surprised Yoza that’s how politics always has been played, including the Left (and they are the masters aren’t they)?

Which is what some journos in the MSM have been saying all along, so I don’t think the Left’s message is necessarily all believed, despite the Left fawning loudly over Nicky Hager’s duplicity of using stolen private information ….

But do we hear the Right braying for the release of the Left’s emails (H1/H2/H3 would be fascinating, well worthy of a book or two)? Nope, there are more important things to deal with.
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August 18, 2014 11:38pm
niggly

Jack 5 – this rogue leftist in the GCSB meme you mention.

I doubt that … GCSB is hardly MFAT! 😉

However we live in a globally interconnected environment in which anonymous hackers including criminal elements can hack into government systems (let alone the situation we’re talking about here with the WOBH hacking). These people, along with the likes of KDC (and the Greens and other Leftie activists) want the one entity (GCSB) that can monitor them, stopped or disbanded. Interesting fact the MSM gloss over eh?
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August 18, 2014 11:56pm
Jack5

Niggly (11.58):

I agree the GCSB is a necessary safeguard for the country, and I hope it is up to the mark technically. I’m sure its links with other traditional allies helps with that.

Still, in a few hundred people there are bound to be tens of folk who veer to the left, and there are likely to be one or two loose cannons among them.

Someone with skills honed in the GCSB in my view would be one likely profile for a hacker behind the National-Brash and the National-Key hacks. If it hadn’t suited some people in National to go along with the Hager-Leftist bullshit that the first hack was a National insider job, this second hack mightn’t have occurred.

It shouldn’t be too hard to track down Hager the Horrible’s source. Here is evidence of the MSM’s Leftist slant and its peevishness at the encroachment of hackers into the field of influencing public opinion: the MSM is showing virtually no interest in tracking down Hager the Horrible’s source, or even its veracity.
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August 19, 2014 12:35am
Yoza

niggly (809 comments) says:
August 18th, 2014 at 11:38 pm

Hmmm, even the simplest of name changes still renders the same meaning …

Which simply goes to show, you seem genuinely surprised Yoza that’s how politics always has been played, including the Left (and they are the masters aren’t they)?

You have evidence of this?
The attacks organised by Slater and his band of National party support network go beyond politics as usual, publicising Nicky Hager’s address in the hope he is rubbed out by rich foreign Chinese is terrorism.
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August 19, 2014 7:38am
niggly

Yoza, Yoza, Yoza, where have you been with your head in the sand all these years?

Duncan Garner exposes former PM Helen Clark underhandedly feeding information to the media to discredit one of her Ministers:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10388408/Politics-is-a-sleazy-business-regardless-of-who-is-in-power

There are now MSM articles on-line now in which she underhandedly fed info to the media (Oskar Alley was one of them) to discredit former Police Commissioner Peter done:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10123094

Oh dear.

As for publishing Hager address, granted not something I would condone, but here’s the thing … Hager publishes his address quite regularly (eg in submissions etc) and Slater’s chit-chat about Chinese Triads was simply scuttlebutt between himself and someone else talking big and boasting, if the Triads really wanted to go after Hager then his address is already out there courtesy of Hager himself.

The fact is, Hager has never been threatened by Triads, so it’s simply a Hager red hearing to talk up the issue. Death threats = zero.

On the other hand Slater receives death threats all the time, we know that because they are discussed and published on his website occasionally (and unbelievably Hager brushed off Slater’s death threats as being “untrue” on Sunday, Q&A I think). Perhaps Hager should read WOBH to see rather than make things up. After all didn’t Hager write about the Slater article on “ferals” who crashed a car on the West Coast and killed his passengers? He did didn’t he but selectively dismissed the resultant death threats to Slater. Hager’s credibility = not good.
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@ niggly (810 comments) says:
August 19th, 2014 at 8:00 am

So because something is said by Whaleoil, it must be true – the evidence being it was discussed on his website – really?

and when Hager says he has been threatened, it isn’t true because he’s still alive?

Do you see the fault in that rationality? Cameron Slater is also still alive – and everyone knows where he lives.

The best you can take from that is either they are both lying, or the are both telling the truth about the threats and we have some very incompetent assassins in this country.

And NO, it wasn’t the driver of the car he called the feral, it was one of the passengers that were killed he did that to.
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