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August 15, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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stephieboy

Southern Raider, next the Glasgow Council will make it mandatory for all places of worship to display the Crescent. I wonder if the loopy George Golloway ex Labour MP of Glasgow was behind all of this .?
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August 15, 2014 2:37pm
ShawnLH

Colin Craig edges toward terra firma

“If Conservative Party leader Colin Craig was hanging over the side of a cliff by his fingertips, he may have just pulled himself up to get an elbow on terra firma.

The latest Stuff.co.nz/Ipsos poll has his party neck and neck with NZ First’s Winston Peters, with both on 3.4 per cent.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10387763/Colin-Craig-edges-toward-terra-firma
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August 15, 2014 2:37pm
ShawnLH

“Just seen an article about a councillor from Glasgow. Many of his fellow councillors flew Palestinian flags from the council buildings and so he decided to fly and Israeli flag.

Now they are trying to get him removed from the council”

Of course they are. You don’t think these pro-terrorist gutter scum believe in free speech do you?

Hell no!

Scratch a militant pro-Palestine supporter and you will find an enthusiastic supporter of Islamic fascism and Jew hatred.
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August 15, 2014 2:44pm
stephieboy

Conservatives edge towards terra firma and a wowser based Christian Theocracy.!
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August 15, 2014 2:51pm
graham

Hmm … I did actually start watching the YouTube clip which Penny linked to, but I’m afraid I was rather put off after Vinny Eastwood DELIBERATELY TWISTED THE TRUTH IN ORDER TO MISLEAD PEOPLE less than a minute into the clip.
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August 15, 2014 2:52pm
kowtow

“Now they are trying to get him removed from the council”

Of course they are. Free speech for me but not for thee.

I see the smelly anti semites are organising more Hate an Israeli marches for tomorrow.

I’ll bet there’ll be no Save A Yazadi ,Save A Turkmen,Save a Christian posters,no pictures of beheaded Syrian soldiers and no demands for releasing the hundreds of kidnapped Nigerian and Yazidi girls and women.
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August 15, 2014 2:54pm
Scott Chris

I don’t know why you got so many downticks, I like the nickname Teflon John

Thanks Rightnow – perhaps some people assumed I was comparing John Key to Mr Burns – which I wasn’t. But I could easily envision Cam Slater and Nicky Hagar being part of Burns’ campaign team which was kinda my point.

The episode from which the clip was taken is called “Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish” and is one of the most brilliant pieces of political satire I have ever seen.
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August 15, 2014 2:55pm
Southern Raider

I bet the noisy rabble make TV3 News whereas the peaceful support protest for Israel never got a single mention
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August 15, 2014 2:56pm
Elaycee

Hmm … I did actually start watching the YouTube clip…

Goodonya graham…. taking one for the team like that.

Rather you than me… 😀
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August 15, 2014 2:57pm
Southern Raider

If that protest goes ahead tomorrow then it needs to be video taped and passed onto the police.

The last one included multiple chants calling for Jews to have their throats slit, Israel to be destroyed etc
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August 15, 2014 2:57pm
ShawnLH

“Conservatives edge towards terra firma and a wowser based Christian Theocracy.!”

Christians participating in democracy is just democracy stephie, not theocracy.
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August 15, 2014 3:00pm
mikenmild

‘I’ll bet there’ll be no Save A Yazadi ,Save A Turkmen,Save a Christian posters,no pictures of beheaded Syrian soldiers and no demands for releasing the hundreds of kidnapped Nigerian and Yazidi girls and women.’
Feel free to organise protests for those deserving causes, kowtow.
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August 15, 2014 3:01pm
ShawnLH

“The last one included multiple chants calling for Jews to have their throats slit, Israel to be destroyed etc”

Yes, and where was Susan Devoy, our supposed race relations expert?
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August 15, 2014 3:03pm
stigie

When do the Auckland City Council put Pennys house up for auction ? Seems there is a lot of interest !~
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August 15, 2014 3:04pm
ShawnLH

“I’ll bet there’ll be no Save A Yazadi ,Save A Turkmen,Save a Christian posters,no pictures of beheaded Syrian soldiers and no demands for releasing the hundreds of kidnapped Nigerian and Yazidi girls and women.”

Of course not. These gutter scum don’t believe in human rights, or real crimes against humanity, or justice and peace.

All of that bs is just a cover for their vile support for Islamic fascism and Jew hatred.

The biggest problem with these marches is, where is a drone strike when you need one! 🙂
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August 15, 2014 3:06pm
mikenmild

And Pete George was moaning about the Standard. Now we have Shawn (just joking) wanting to kill protesters.
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August 15, 2014 3:15pm
Don the Kiwi

MM is in fine lefty form today.

Must be standing by the coffee machine with one eye on the computer, one eye the boss, and one eye on the clock. 🙂
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August 15, 2014 3:24pm
mikenmild

I don’t drink coffee.
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August 15, 2014 3:25pm
kowtow

milky is by any standards a troll

Of course he knows the drone coment was humour.

As to protests against genocide ,why wouldn’t milky support such a sentiment? Simple ,he/she is a troll deliberately seeking atttention or a raise.
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August 15, 2014 3:32pm
Judith

@ kowtow (7,794 comments) says:
August 15th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

Having an opinion that is different to yours doesn’t make a person a troll. Some might even think it actually makes them superior! 😛
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August 15, 2014 3:40pm
lurcher1948

I had a thought (scary) those defaced billboards of the beloved totally relaxed john key as a rasta jew, orthor money market dealer were defaced bu key and his black op team .Just a thought key is as jewish as i am (Rangi) and if it helps win the election CAM spray can away, Im totaly relaxed folks cam and judith are NOT a item is just casual (sex) opps friendship
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August 15, 2014 3:56pm
lurcher1948

Slater and Judith Collins i dont want to see pictures of your love and friendship on REDTUBE it could make us posters sick.
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August 15, 2014 4:08pm
RightNow

lurcher, your mom says to get off the computer now, you’ve had your after school time.
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August 15, 2014 4:15pm
Yvette

Vincent Eastwood’s “Penny Bright At John Key Debate”
a badly aligned of centre under angle camera shot of a fucking monitor
kind of says it all, unfortunately
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August 15, 2014 4:21pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-wont-investigate-Collins-claims/tabid/1607/articleID/357026/Default.aspx

So – more ‘wilful blindness’ from our ex-Wall Street banker Prime Minister John Key?

Although the Prime Minister is the one who is supposed to hold his Ministers accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’ – he won’t be investigating the behaviour of his Minister of Corruption (oops! ‘Justice’) Judith Collins.

No surprises there.

I suppose at least he’s consistent.

John Key refused to look at the Police Report regarding John Banks, and took him at his word as well.

That worked out well regarding John Key’s ‘judgement of character’ of dodgy John Banks.

NOT.

The rest is history …..

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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August 15, 2014 4:55pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n884d0opzi8cwuu/Cuckoo%204.jpg
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August 15, 2014 5:02pm
All_on_Red

Judith
At least you provide a (semi :-)) reasoned argument and try to discuss things. Mikey usually just asks a one line question. You do seem more obsessed though and I’m not sure it’s healthy for you ( not that is my business) But yeah, Mikey’s just a fucking troll.
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August 15, 2014 5:03pm
stigie

Hey Penny, thats a fantastic link that Nasska has just put up…Have a look !~
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August 15, 2014 5:06pm
Yvette

“If New Zealanders get their head around this stuff, it’ll turn them off [National] in droves. It’s the sort of thing that you don’t even want to talk about because it is just so disgusting.” – David Cunliffe

This will revolt voters more than a Labour Leader’s choice of Queenstown lunch date?
I don’t think so, David
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August 15, 2014 5:07pm
dad4justice

Newsflash a Crusher Whale has grounded in Manukau Harbour.
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August 15, 2014 5:13pm
IGM

Did anyone take note of the printer’s logo on boxes of pro-left propaganda that had been packed ready for distribution? I should hope most of the supporters of this company, and there are many, will pull their work and seek a more appropriate outlet for their requirements. This company has been a backer of unions and weirdos opposed to private enterprise for a long time and it would be good to see it being one of the first held to account for its fiscally treasonous operations. Anyone who has artwork, plates, film, discs, etc., held by this company, has the right to uplift them, in good condition for no cost, and get the work printed by someone more trustworthy.
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August 15, 2014 5:21pm
Judith

@ All_on_Red (1,445 comments) says:
August 15th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

I do try to provide my reasons Red. I accept that as I don’t support National at present, and are on a right wing blog, it is necessary for me to at least attempt to explain why I believe the way I do. I don’t always manage, I have an Irish temper, and it usually infects the fingers first. I also make an effort to try and understand other points of views – but that doesn’t always work out too good either.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fktgfv6ey5wjgle/77172_10152176236279561_596008990_n.jpg
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August 15, 2014 5:26pm
Other_Andy

Juliet Moses stands up to protestors outside the NZ Super Fund office in Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11309560

Go Juliet!
She challenged the activists and the Arab students from Auckland University and was drowned out as people began chanting over her questions and screaming at her.
As usual.
Screaming, threats and violence…
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August 15, 2014 5:31pm
Judith

@ IGM (22 comments) says:
August 15th, 2014 at 5:21 pm

Really? You would attempt to ruin a persons business because they print a book on contract for someone you don’t like?

Have you thought that through, and what the implications of that say about you and the politics you support?
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August 15, 2014 5:35pm
All_on_Red

Judith,
Goose for the gander and all that and to paraphrase Von Clausewitz, Economic war is just continuation of politics by other means.
Personally I’d like to think I’m above that but then again you’ll never see me give money to the NZ Herald or buy a Mazda cause they support Campbell Live so…
But then I don’t stand outside those places trying to stop others doing it. I think one of the things the ” silent” majority has learned is that sponsorship works both ways and that it can be very powerful to NOT support something and it easy to do. You just do….nothing.
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August 15, 2014 5:49pm
Yvette

Hager the Horrible appears on Prime News Sky at 5.30 confident a master-stroke will prevent him from having to divulge the source of the stolen emails –
he has returned the hard copy memory stick to the person who reputedly gave it to him.

But does this exempt him from naming that person. I think not, as shown in the case of the Dotcom book and its use as evidence.

And Hager now, it would appear, is unable to substantiate any of his claims, if he does not have the originals … or copies.
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August 15, 2014 5:50pm
MH

that whale was just snap photoed trying to do a plank-ton selfie.
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August 15, 2014 5:52pm
wiseowl

IGM@ 8.27 am

He was worse than that.
I am sure he was one of two that went to court and prevented the All Blacks tour of SA.

Wont tell you on here what I think of him.
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August 15, 2014 6:18pm
itstricky

I only just flicked through the DPF hacking saga but, if he says he’s been hacked, does that not prove that at least some of Hager content is truth? I thought the guy was just a whack job conspiracy theorist?
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August 15, 2014 6:20pm
kowtow

Other Andy

Yes ,good on Juliet. That takes guts.

I note the names of some of the “protesters” against Israel.Says all I need to know.

People with roots in the Middle east who don’t really give a shit about human rights,rape,genocide,ethnic cleansing,kidnapping of girls and women……..

If they were genuinely concerned about same they’d be marching to whatever consulates or offices there are of those who fund and support those crimes.

It’s an unholy alliance of certain Muslims,the far left ,anti Americans and anti semites. A pox upon them.
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August 15, 2014 6:39pm
EAD

Excellent article on the deliberate dumbing down of America:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dumbing-down-of-america-by-design/5395928

What is said of America can equally be said of NZ in that our education system works perfectly, exactly as designed.

It churns out dumb bovine, obedient slaves who wont ask too many questions and are incapable of critical thinking. Slaves who tell you the joys of socialism, how Global Warming is a catastrophic threat and to save ourselves we must return civilisation to the stone ages and that a piece of paper signed 200 years ago called “Treaty” should govern all the interactions of those who walk on these 3 islands in 2014.

Our school functions exactly as planned and nothing will change. Nothing will ever be any different unless we get rid of our political elite and the hangers on in the “3rd sector”.

This socialism has worked very well in the NZ. It has turned a once great nation into an indebted, dysfunctional mess. This is exactly what it is supposed to do, rot society from the inside out as designed intended via the “long march through the institutions”.
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August 15, 2014 6:50pm
nasska

“…and Young Ones, shouldn’t be afraid”

Nice try Cliff.
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August 15, 2014 7:33pm
Southern Raider

Juliet Moses is a bloody legend.

Shows the quality of these protesters when one woman stands up to them and all they can do is shout her down rather than debate the issue
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August 15, 2014 7:56pm
OneTrack

Judith – “Have you thought that through, and what the implications of that say about you and the politics you support?”

But it’s ok when Darien Fenton tries to organise boycott of the Mad Butchers shops when he made the unforgiveable mistake of saying JK was a nice guy. Immediate excommunication by the left.
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August 15, 2014 8:13pm
stephieboy

EAD, I shudder to think what would happen to our education system was captured by Conpiracy Theorists and tin foli hatters like yourself..
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August 15, 2014 8:54pm
oldpark

Cunliffe said Hager stolen emails was a Watergate.Gomerel Cunliffe needed a shower ,when it was suggested to him that the so called Watergate break in was by Labour/green party terrorist computer hackers. Sorry Gomerel your polls will fall further below 20% with the revelation Labour/greens are the burglars, as has been alleged.If it is good enough for you to fly a FLAG FOR HAGAR,with his comments,same here for the other side of the story, you and Hagar be damned.
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August 15, 2014 9:10pm
kowtow

Do we think Cunners had to have an extra ,extra long shower after his lunch date?

“This will revolt voters more than a Labour Leader’s choice of Queenstown lunch date?”
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August 15, 2014 9:25pm
RF

What the hell is Cunners smoking. Talking crap about Nationals voters leaving in droves, needing a shower after reading the book, lowering his voice and hiding his 4 chins in an attempt to look serious.

What a phoney tosser.

Just come home from a very entertaining meal with several of your average kiwis. Not one supported Cunners as they were worried about him linking up with the Greens & Mana. They were positive about the direction we are going and used the phrase… If its not broken why try and fix it.

The book did not worry them as it was accepted to be a left wing ploy to disrupt Nationals election chances. Faint hope.
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August 15, 2014 9:36pm
IGM

wiseowl: You are correct, he and another filthy piece of left-wing crap created all sorts of problems . . . he got arsed out of a club in Auckland also for his distasteful behaviour, and then took them to court. If my reports are correct, he was whacked over good and proper one night . . . what a shame!
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August 16, 2014 9:47am
MH

Tricky Hager, who’s heart is immaculate in conception
hollow men be thy last fame
Cry bring them on
thy fly will be undone
in prison as it is in Mt Eden
give us this day our daily thread
and forge your press passes
as we forgive them that tax against us
and lead us not in false Allegations
but deliver us from more email
For Slater is the baiter, the prime insinuator
for ever and ever
ad hominen
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