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stephieboy

Ugly Truth,
This review of a book that refutes the claim that Eisenhower was responsible for the death of 800,000- 1 million German POWs is expertly refuted hear ,,

By
Harold Y. Grooms

This review is from: Eisenhower and the German Pows: Facts Against Falsehood (Eisenhower Center Studies on War and Peace) (Hardcover)

“Gunter Bischof and Stephen E. Ambrose provide a written rebuttal to Canadian writer James Bacque’s charges that between 800,000 and 1,000,000 German Prisoners of War (POW’s) and Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF’s) were deliberately starved to death in 1944-45 on orders of General Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bacque’s best-selling work, Other Losses, (Stoddart Publishing Company, Limited, Canada) sold millions of copies when first published in 1989. Bischoff and Ambrose take issue with his conclusions and openly question both his credentials and motives for publishing this work.

In this scathing rebuttal the authors assemble a collection of essays from a variety of noted historians who rebut point-by-point the conclusions made in Other Losses. They do not deny that initially conditions in U.S. camps, particularly those located along the Rhine River, were indeed, “horrific” and that POW’s/DEF’s did indeed die. What they deny is that the six camps there were representative of the more than 200 U.S. camps in theatre. They also emphatically deny there was a systematic policy of slow starvation instituted by “Ike” to make this happen. The authors attribute the overcrowded and unsanitary conditions to massive capitulation of German units and civilians fleeing west to avoid capture by the Soviets. Added to this was the necessity of feeding populations recently liberated from Nazi tyranny, and shipping shortages caused by moving troops and supplies to the Pacific for the anticipated invasion of Japan, the result was a food shortage in which POW’s and DEF’s were last priority per policy enacted in Washington. They assert that while conditions from April to July, 1945 were indeed lamentable, they were eased as quickly as logistically possible. The most glaring difference was in the estimated number of deaths: as many as 1,000,000 according to Bacque and as few as 15,285 by the U.S. Provost Marshall.”

While no one knows exactly how many one thing died is certain: Conditions in war-ravaged Europe post-World War II left millions impoverished, without food, clothing and/or shelter. Not ever a Five-Star General could issue an order and make this situation go away. In the chaotic period addressed with Cold War tensions building, it is hard to believe that an American icon like Eisenhower could or would emulate the Nazi’s whom he openly loathed and had just devoted his entire efforts for four long years to defeat. I titled my review of Bacque’s work, Say It Ain’t So! After reading Bischof and Ambrose I am personally convinced, It Just Ain’t So!!”

And as the reviewer subsequently asks if the My Lai massacre couldn’t be covered up how could 1 million people die seemingly without trace and hidden for so long. ?Surely surviving family members and relatives would be eager to know.?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3572HVLBV8YNK/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3572HVLBV8YNK
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August 14, 2014 2:53pm
UglyTruth

That’s not the most reasonable assumption.

So what do you think the most reasonable assumption is?

Here’s the verse:

And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
Acts 9:8

My interpretation is that the information came from one more witnesses, but not from Paul.
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August 14, 2014 2:55pm
ShawnLH

“My interpretation is that the information came from one more witnesses, but not from Paul.”

Now that is the first honest thing you have said in this debate, “My interpretation.”

Fair enough. But that means your claim that Paul is lying is also your interpretation.

And your attack claim that I follow a liar is also just your interpretation.

So you have admitted that I am right. These are your opinions, nothing more.
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August 14, 2014 3:00pm
UglyTruth

“My interpretation is that the information came from one more witnesses, but not from Paul.”

Now that is the first honest thing you have said in this debate, “My interpretation.”

What do you think that I said before that was dishonest?

Also, there remains this point which you have yet to address:

“Acts 22 contradicts Acts 26 regarding Paul’s purpose.”

No it doesn’t.

The contradiction is that in Acts 22 Paul was to learn of the nature of his appointment (i.e. his purpose) in Damascus, but in Acts 26 Paul says that he learned the nature of his appointment while he was in the presence of the light.
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August 14, 2014 3:05pm
ShawnLH

“What do you think that I said before that was dishonest?”

Your claim that the problem is the text itself, when in fact the problem is your interpretation.

“Also, there remains this point which you have yet to address”

I addressed it twice above, at 2:38 and at 2:52.

The supposed contradiction rests on your interpretation of the text, not the text itself.

So unless you have anything more than just your opinions, case closed.
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August 14, 2014 3:11pm
Gulag1917

California Courts Kill Robin Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Cy_3nX-64&list=UUIibK0GTXCaQCAamJAepm1g
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August 14, 2014 3:18pm
goldnkiwi

‘Judith’ if, as you say you have evidence of a crime (or whatever), why didn’t you address it at the time, why mention it now, almost conveniently?

I seem to recall words to that effect regarding further witness statements in the Bain trials, regarding people not coming forward with information earlier, I guess they too were of more than one mind. Or is it just different when it is you? (Rhetorical)
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August 14, 2014 3:27pm
goldnkiwi

One good thing if the Hager book has sold out to individuals, awareness of politics is alive and well and that can only be good for the country.
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August 14, 2014 3:30pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (1,052 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

It isn’t a crime goldnkiwi, I would have thought you would know that, being a lawyer. At best it is supporting evidence to what Hager is claiming, something which none of us had confirmation about until last night.
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August 14, 2014 3:36pm
UglyTruth

“What do you think that I said before that was dishonest?”

Your claim that the problem is the text itself, when in fact the problem is your interpretation.

I didn’t say that “the problem is the text itself”.

“Also, there remains this point which you have yet to address”

I addressed it twice above, at 2:38 and at 2:52.

Text for reference:

Acts 9
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 22
10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

Acts 26
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Your 2:38

If I say I drove to the mall to buy beer, and later I say I drove to the mall to buy wine, it is not a contradiction if in fact I drove to the mall to buy BOTH beer and wine.

Straw man, buying beer and wine are not mutually exclusive, but being told only to proceed to Damascus for instructions isn’t logically consistent with receiving instructions before Damascus.

Your 2:52

Paul was told by Christ that he would be a minister, and that the nature of this and his purpose would be more fully explained in Damascus.

The problem with your interpretation is that it assumes that the witnesses did not hear Paul being told that he would be a minister.
The problem is compounded by Paul repeating what the witnesses said (Acts 9 & 22), i.e Paul agrees with the witness with his first recounting.
The problem is further compounded in Acts 26 when Paul omits what the witnesses said in Acts 9, contradicting the witnesses.

If you wish to argue that the witnesses didn’t accurately relate what was said, then it is up to you to come up with a simpler explanation than mine (i.e. that Paul lied in Acts 26 in order to impress Agrippa) which is consistent with the facts.
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August 14, 2014 3:37pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (1,053 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

Yes, the book does need to be read. I’m only up to page 52, but have to say I’m disgusted. Even if one only believes half of what they read in it they will be suitably unimpressed (although its hard to only believe a little when the evidence is solid).

It makes interesting reading when one has been a poster on here – and can remember certain conversations and actions – many of which are related to information in the book. Maybe those that haven’t read Whaleoil and Kiwiblog may not be so convinced, who knows.
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August 14, 2014 3:40pm
RightNow

This shit with Shawn and Ugly is boring.

Hey Griff, you wingnut denier. The sun has gone quiet and the world is in a global cooling phase.
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August 14, 2014 3:44pm
flipper

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Griff (6,938 comments) says:

August 14th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

may the best man win on 20th September
We dont elect a president in this country the prime minister is not in charge of direction of any thing he is a figure head for the party. Most decisions are made by the party executive not the prime minister hes job is to do as the executive tells him

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Wow… The world according to Griff, or whatever it is.

He has talked bullshit on 99% of what he has said. This latest assertion is the outstanding 1 %.

Go find an AGW/CC eco freak/Nazi link griffie to justify your latest idiotic assertion.

You know absolutely nothing about Government, less about politics.
Go away, dickhead.
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August 14, 2014 3:50pm
UglyTruth

This shit with Shawn and Ugly is boring.

So what would you like to argue about?
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August 14, 2014 4:08pm
Griff

Flippy from wiki
The Prime Minister is regarded by convention as “first among equals”. He or she does indeed hold the most senior post in the administration, but is also required to adhere to any decisions taken by Cabinet. The actual ability of the New Zealand Prime Minister to give direct orders is largely limited; most of the position’s power comes about through other means, such as:

The ability to set the Cabinet agenda, thereby controlling what issues will be discussed.
The ability to appoint and dismiss ministers. The extent to which this power can be exercised varies between different parties; the Labour Party, for example, places most of this responsibility in the hands of the Caucus, leaving the Prime Minister only with the power to choose which portfolios a minister is given. Furthermore, the MMP electoral system has complicated this, as the Prime Minister may have to consult with another party leader.
The influence a Prime Minister is likely to have as leader of the dominant party. These powers may give him or her more direct control over subordinates than is attached to the Prime Minister’s role itself.
The power gained simply from being central to most significant decision-making, and from being able to comment on and criticise any decisions taken by other ministers.
The prime minister can be removed by the party executive flippy try doing that with the president
You really are an idiot flippy and dont seem to have a problem advertising the fact.
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August 14, 2014 4:37pm
ShawnLH

“This shit with Shawn and Ugly is boring.”

Then don’t read it. Nobody is forcing you to do so. That debate is over anyway.
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August 14, 2014 4:39pm
mikenmild

You’ve got that all a bit mixed up Griff. Conventionally the first among equals, in recent decades NZ has moved to a more presidential style model where the PM exercises an increasing amount of power. This is also borne out by election campaigns, which so heavily focus on the leaders.
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August 14, 2014 4:40pm
Griff

You have that a little wrong milky
The msm has been pushing identity politics
This doesn’t mean the prime minister has any more power then say piggy had.
before Helen and key we had a succession of prime ministers who lasted less than a full term in fact five different pms in two terms
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August 14, 2014 4:54pm
mikenmild

I think there has been a steady accretion of power to the PM and around that office. Certainly the last two PMs have enjoyed unchallenged supremacy over their colleagues. We are a long way past the days when a political party would claim they were “Man for man the better team” – these days it is all about the leader.
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August 14, 2014 5:01pm
flipper

Griffie ….,.,

direct control over subordinates than is attached to the Prime Minister’s role itself.
The power gained simply from being central to most significant decision-making, and from being able to comment on and criticise any decisions taken by other ministers.
The prime minister can be removed by the party executive flippy try doing that with the president
You really are an idiot flippy and dont seem to have a problem advertising the fact.

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Go away griffie.

You are too silly for words.

Please quote the National Party constitution rule that says it over-rules the Electoral Act, and gives it power to over-ride a Caucus decision on leadership ( For example the Leader/PM when the party has the majority, dumbass). The NP constitution is available on the website. That is more reliable than your default – wiki wot nots.

You, griffie, are simply a piece of left wing excrement that does not warrant a more detailed response.
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August 14, 2014 5:13pm
Griff

As I said MSM personality politics
If labor was to win this time or next would you expect the same style to continue?
When Key resigns which I fully expect to happen before the end of his coming term would you expect his successor to continue as key has?
Personality politics is ok for common consumption but its not how the nz government actually runs.
http://www.cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/node/84#2.2
Role
2.3 The Prime Minister is the head of the government. The functions and powers of the Prime Minister have evolved over time. There is no statutory provision that constitutes the office of Prime Minister or defines its role.

2.4 The Prime Minister has several key constitutional roles. The Prime Minister is the principal adviser to the Sovereign and to the Sovereign’s representative, the Governor-General, as long as the government commands the confidence of the House, and the Prime Minister maintains support as the leader of that government.
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August 14, 2014 5:30pm
Griff

Flippy my dear retarded little idiot
I am not a lefty
Just because I support the findings of science doesn’t mean I vote for a left wing party.

I was a member of act from very early on and only resigned when banks had influence.

Try hoping over to the national government site and reading national on AGW or even consider DPF’s position on climate change halfwit

Science and reality dont take any head of politics flip flop and in matters of science neither do I.
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August 14, 2014 5:44pm
lurcher1948

Are cam slater and larry williams a fucking item,Larry was like a girl friend defending HIS BUTT FUCKER best friend on newtalkZB tonight. slater and williams a butt item
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August 14, 2014 5:45pm
Griff

Flipping idiot
The national party can suspend your membership in committee
if they done so for the prime minister he would no longer be a member for the party in majority.
hence in theory they can stop a person being prime minister at any time by a vote outside of parliament.
The politics within the executive would have a great deal of influence on who gets nominated as prime minister as you well know
If you pissed them of and ignored their wishes you will not be standing for parliament again let alone forming a government.
Hence a prime minister has to have the backing of the party executive and they can legally remove him in extreme cases
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August 14, 2014 5:59pm
cha

Are cam slater and larry williams a fucking item,

A whole lotta salad being tossed about.
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August 14, 2014 6:14pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzcb0tsnj0lee1a/Faith%203%20%282%29.gif
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August 14, 2014 6:34pm
flipper

You, griffie, are simply a piece of left wing excrement that does not warrant a more detailed response
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August 14, 2014 7:03pm
EAD

No news in the NZ press of from Stephie about what is happening in St Louis?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/ferguson-police-arrest-reporters-as-unrest-continues-over-michael-brown-shooting
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-13/ferguson-reignites-police-shoot-2nd-man-obamas-response-insultingly-inadequate
http://www.businessinsider.com/swat-ferguson-protest-2014-8

The more and more I see incidents and images of American Police, the more obvious it is they are now living in a Police State. Where’s the line between security and liberty? Reporters being arrested and the American police armed like the military.
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August 14, 2014 7:08pm
Judith

@ flipper (3,684 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Have you read the book Flipper?

If you have, how do you explain the conversations that have taken place on here by certain posters that are evidence of many of the things Hager is claiming?
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August 14, 2014 7:14pm
Longknives

Hager gives me the creeps. Wouldn’t surprise me if that little freak has bodies in his basement…
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August 14, 2014 7:15pm
stephieboy

EAD, when Tyler Durden, Alex Jones , Paul Craig Roberts , Chris Bollyn , David Duke etc get arrested and carted off to an alleged FEMA concentration camp then I might believe your jumping to sweeping conclusions and rushing to judgement.
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August 14, 2014 7:17pm
Judith

@ Longknives (4,573 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

LOL I bet you hate your mailman to. It’s always the messengers fault.
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August 14, 2014 7:17pm
ShawnLH

“You, griffie, are simply a piece of left wing excrement that does not warrant a more detailed response.”

Flipper, you have been reading too many of Redbaiters posts, and clearly adopted his style.

It’s very, very, boring.
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August 14, 2014 7:23pm
EAD

Stephie, does one of them write for the Guardian?

Journalists arrested,
Police in armoured vehicles
Police in military fatigues
Police with military style weapons
i.e. all the signs of a police state

Obama has created this police state, if this was George Bush, you’d be crying foul.
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August 14, 2014 7:25pm
ShawnLH

“LOL I bet you hate your mailman to. It’s always the messengers fault.”

Judith the mailman does not write the mail. Hagar is the writer, so it’s not really true that he is just the messenger.
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August 14, 2014 7:28pm
ShawnLH

@ EAD

“Police in armoured vehicles
Police in military fatigues
Police with military style weapons

Obama has created this police state”

As much as I dislike Obama, the above examples have nothing to do with him. They go back to the 1980’s and the war on drugs.
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August 14, 2014 7:29pm
dad4justice

Can anybody tell me if Whale Oil is still a sickness beneficiary? I would ask him myself, but I can’t seem to be able to log onto his blog.
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August 14, 2014 7:34pm
Yoza

ShawnLH (4,241 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

@ EAD

“Police in armoured vehicles
Police in military fatigues
Police with military style weapons

Obama has created this police state”

As much as I dislike Obama, the above examples have nothing to do with him. They go back to the 1980′s and the war on drugs.

More like the ‘War on Poverty’.
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August 14, 2014 7:36pm
RightNow

Shawn, I scan the first line of comments to see if it warrants reading further and I’m fine with that. It’s only a fraction of a second more than reading the commenter name. But you and ugly are like a Bain thread nested inside another thread. I declare you the winner. If haven’t read all the evidence but he’s a nutcase so that’s that. I know what it’s like, I used to think there was a point arguing with Griff but 97% so shut up. Got boring.
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August 14, 2014 7:37pm
Judith

@ ShawnLH (4,240 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

That may be right Shawn, but he is delivering the message.
I acknowledge the means by which he came across the information is ethically questionable – but the fact still remains that the information he has given paints a very bad picture.

For me, reading the book, and being a poster here, it is easy to see that Hager is not wrong. He may not be entirely right, and some links aren’t exact – but the fact remains that there have been some really filthy tactics used to destroy the careers, and lives of other people, not to mention promote National’s interests using dishonest practices along with government employees and ministers.

You cannot just simply ignore that fact – and pretend it doesn’t exist. If you haven’t read the book, then read it – if you are honest you will admit that some of the conversations and actions in it have been obvious on this board. Posters names will be familiar to you, and you will realise that very little has been by chance. The PM is wrong – there is something in it, and he needs to address it, unless he has something to hide by not doing that.
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August 14, 2014 7:40pm
cha

Journalists arrested,
Police in armoured vehicles
Police in military fatigues
Police with military style weapons
i.e. all the signs of a police state

The Miami model in all it’s glory.

http://crimethinc.com/movies/miamimodel.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_model
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August 14, 2014 7:40pm
ShawnLH

RightNow

You will be pleased to know my patience with Ugly’s pretzel “logic” and conspiracy theories has run out. I’m just going to ignore him from now on.
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August 14, 2014 7:41pm
stephieboy

Shawn LH actually SWAT team shoot outs go back to 1974 with the major stand off with the Symbonise Liberation Army . There not exclusive to the Obama administration and have been part and parcel of Police operations to way, way back,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT

EAD you seriously deluded to think otherwise.!

But thats conspiracy theory for you. !
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August 14, 2014 7:41pm
Judith

@ dad4justice (7,827 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:34 pm

I don’t know if he’s collecting a benefit, but he’s certainly sick.
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August 14, 2014 7:42pm
EAD

@ Shawn – I agree. It’s been a slow escalation since the “war on drugs/poverty” and actually probably before that all the way back to Kent State University.

What is noticeable is the degree in which it ramped up after 9/11 and then again has ramped up over since the 2008 economic crash to a point where it is so overt and in your face that you’d have to be asleep not to notice it.

I was in New York recently and they had several armed police with semi-automatics guarding the pedestrian entrance to the Brookyn Bridge!

The abnormal has now been normalised.

Because it’s been so slow, so gradual, so progressive, so many people have been the proverbial “boiling frog in the pot”. Big problem is now the water is boiling

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/july/28/the-absurd,-bureaucratic-hell-that-is-the-american-police-state.aspx
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August 14, 2014 7:43pm
dad4justice

Yes Judith sick, but he looks healthier than Hagar who looks like he is dying of aids and is no doubts entitled to a benefit. Anyway how come Whale is still sucking a benefit when he can afford to jet set around the globe. Something doesn’t add up? Has John Key got many mates on the benefit?
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August 14, 2014 7:46pm
ShawnLH

“That may be right Shawn, but he is delivering the message.”

No, I think he is creating the message. His style reminds me of Michael Moore. It’s all innuendo, out of context quotes, opinion pretending to be fact, and the usual conspiracy thinking that amounts to 2+2=9.

Our host does a good job of critiquing his style:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/the_hollowness_of_the_hollow_men.html
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August 14, 2014 7:47pm
ShawnLH

Stephie

“Shawn LH actually SWAT team shoot outs go back to 1974 with the major stand off with the Symbonise Liberation Army . There not exclusive to the Obama administration and have been part and parcel of Police operations to way, way back,”

Yup, fair enough, I agree with you on that.
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August 14, 2014 7:49pm
Judith

@ dad4justice (7,828 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

I don’t know? If he is on a benefit he won’t be able to get it when he’s overseas, unless he has friends in high places!

I doubt he is on a benefit – I’m sure he’s got a suga mommy financing his endeavours.
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August 14, 2014 7:49pm
ShawnLH

@ EAD

“What is noticeable is the degree in which it ramped up after 9/11 ”

Understandable to me.

“I was in New York recently and they had several armed police with semi-automatics guarding the pedestrian entrance to the Brookyn Bridge!:

For good reason I expect.
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August 14, 2014 7:51pm
Judith

@ ShawnLH (4,244 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

Shawn, in the book he mentions conversations and people that I remember being on here. That isn’t made up – that is fact.

He references everything, so it can’t all be made up, and there is proof that other people have of some of the relationships he mentions. Too much to deny shawn.
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August 14, 2014 7:52pm
dad4justice

Your probably right Judith but I will be livid if that fat arse sod is sucking a benefit from the hard working kiwi taxpayers.
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August 14, 2014 7:53pm
RightNow

pretzel “logic”

And that’s enough to get me off Kiwiblog and listening to an old favourite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0f5nQO5Qbc
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August 14, 2014 7:54pm
EAD

I think what they need is Ted Nugent back in USA politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c3d7QgZr7g
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August 14, 2014 7:57pm
RightNow

Ha, (clearly not quite off), I’d have preferred Put Up or Shut Up, or the whole Intensities in Ten Cities album.

To be honest I’m switching to Jeff Beck Scatterbrain now
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August 14, 2014 7:59pm
stigie

“Can anybody tell me if Whale Oil is still a sickness beneficiary? I would ask him myself, but I can’t seem to be able to log onto his blog”.

Thought you was banned from Whale D4J ?
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August 14, 2014 8:02pm
Judith

dad4justice (7,829 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 7:53 pm

Oh, he’s been taking from the taxpayer alright, but I doubt its in the form of a benefit. Using and wasting government employees time for his own means, comes at a cost to us. I wonder what sort of hourly rate a senior staffer like Jason Ede would be on?

Slater’s a special kind of jerk – this paragraph leaves no doubt to the kind of ‘man’ Slater is. p 12 Dirty Politics

A young west coast man named Judd Hall had died when the car in which he was a passenger crashed off the road. Slater copied a newspaper article onto his blog and casually headed it “Feral dies in Greymouth, did the world a favour’. He was a friendly faced young man, training for an IT diploma, and, tragically the fourth son in the family to die in an accident. (One had been killed by a drunken driver, another had died in a fall and the third had been a victim of the 2010 Pike River mining disaster).

You gotta love the people on here that defend a man like Slater.
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August 14, 2014 8:07pm
dad4justice

Sorry to disappoint you stigfly but I am not banned. It’s news to me if I am.
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August 14, 2014 8:07pm
nasska

You’d be in good company still if you had been banned Dad…..there’s a lot of familiar pseudonyms missing from the rollcall at W/O lately.
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August 14, 2014 8:11pm
ShawnLH

Just to be clear, while I would not trust anything written by Hagar, I’m not defending Slater as such, I don’t like his style. It’s too nasty.
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August 14, 2014 8:11pm
dad4justice

Shawn I think I saw Whale Oil say on TV he was a “Christian”. Am I wrong in thinking he is a “nasty” Christian.?
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August 14, 2014 8:15pm
Judith

@ShawnLH (4,246 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 8:11 pm

I suspect the truth lies in the middle ground Shawn, but whatever it is, there is a significant amount of dirty politics occurring in this country and its got to stop – we have to have an open and transparent government that we can trust – and we haven’t had that for decades, and the corruption is getting worse (and from them all).

I know you don’t like Hager, but read the book – even if its just to prove me wrong! 🙂
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August 14, 2014 8:15pm
nasska

A defendant was on trial for murder. There was strong evidence indicating guilt, but there was no corpse.

In the defense’s closing statement, the lawyer, knowing that his client would probably be convicted, resorted to a trick.

“Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I have a surprise for you all,” the lawyer said as he looked at his watch. “Within one minute, the person presumed dead in this case will walk into this courtroom”. He looked toward the courtroom door. The jurors, somewhat stunned, all looked on eagerly.

A minute passed. Nothing happened.

Finally, the lawyer said “Actually, I made up the previous statement. But you all looked on with anticipation. I, therefore, put it to you that you have a reasonable doubt in this case as to whether anyone was killed, and I insist that you return a verdict of not guilty”.

The jury retired to deliberate. A few minutes later, the jury returned and pronounced a verdict of guilty.

“But how?” inquired the lawyer. “You must have had some doubt. I saw all of you stare at the door”.

The jury foreman replied “Yes, we did look… but your client didn’t”.
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August 14, 2014 8:19pm
big bruv

“Can anybody tell me if Whale Oil is still a sickness beneficiary? I would ask him myself, but I can’t seem to be able to log onto his blog.”

Want me to ask him for you D4J?

If he is perhaps you could give him some gambling tips so he can earn $20,000 a week betting on the rugby like you do.
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August 14, 2014 8:32pm
dad4justice

My deranged stalker has arrived I am outta here. I will go visit Whale.
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August 14, 2014 8:36pm
big bruv

I didn’t think you could log onto Whale D4J.

Are you banned from there as well?
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August 14, 2014 8:41pm
All_on_Red

Judith
Hagar is fool who is being used. What’s more interesting is what is omitted and the story about Judd Hall is a good example. There’s more to it than Hagar says- oh why am I wasting my time. You’ll just believe what your bias dictates.
Silly woman.
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August 14, 2014 8:44pm
Dean Papa

oh dear,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10385310/Earthquake-victims-scum-says-blogger
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August 14, 2014 8:45pm
Judith

And I suppose you don’t have any biases red?

The fact is I have my own proof that Hager is at least partially right. Good honest proof. Not hacked, straight from
A minister thanks to the OIA, so you see its a little hard for me to accept that Hager is wrong. So you believe whatever your biases allow you to believe silly man –
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August 14, 2014 8:51pm
Judith

Oh dean papa, there will be more to it. Just ask red. Slater probably has a good reason for slagging off Christchurch victims , just like he did for the above example. Apparently according to all on red such statements are acceptable if slater says them – and red would know because he’s not biased
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August 14, 2014 8:59pm
dad4justice

I have emailed Whale Oil and posted it on my blog. I cannot believe that two faced lying John Key and that mad bitch Crusher would have anything to do with this clearly insane blogger. Is he bigot blouses twin shadow. I am disgusted that this fat arse lard has put the knife into a region that has suffered such a horrible natural disaster. National will lose many votes here I can assure you . Thanks for nothing Whale you fat loser! You can expect legal action directed at you blubber guts.
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August 14, 2014 9:11pm
All_on_Red

Don’t be silly Judith. I’m not tribal. You’re the one full of hate and anger who is obsessed with posting anti JK ( and Judith Collins) stuff on here. It’s burning you up. You need help really.
Night.
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August 14, 2014 9:16pm
Nookin

From dad’s blog

“… you fat arse lazy parasite..”

Interesting comment about a guy who, single-handed, has established the most popular (by visits) and most talked about blog in the country. He banned you didn’t he dad?
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August 14, 2014 9:17pm
dad4justice

Nookin maybe you can help with his soon to be legal problems. Canterbury earthquake victims want blood. His blogging days will be history once we have finished with the lard arse. You cannot defend the indefensible can you matey!
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August 14, 2014 9:20pm
ShawnLH

“I cannot believe that two faced lying John Key and that mad bitch Crusher”

What a sad, hateful little man you are D4J.
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August 14, 2014 9:22pm
dad4justice

Oh shut up Shawny Curls what do you think of blubber guts appalling comments about Canterbury folk? Better still I am in the phone book Peter Burns Papanui come visit and don’t try kill my pet crocodile with your big hunting knife lol.
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August 14, 2014 9:24pm
big bruv

D4J

Are you really wanting to pick a war with Slater?

You do realise he will expose you as a complete and utter liar, and nut job, don’t you?

I can just imagine him slicing you to pieces bit by bit, he may well start with your $100,000 donation to your ‘church’, or he might decide to pick on your claim of funding your current lifestyle by way of $20,000 sporting bets. Or, he might just decide to dig into your claim that the All Black captain is a close and personal friend of yours.

Either way D4J I would think long and hard about picking a fight with a chap who shows no mercy.
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August 14, 2014 9:34pm
dad4justice

bigot blouse – Whale Oil’s unhinged comments about a region of New Zealand still struggling with the affects of a mayor natural disaster indicate a callous individual who needs to be taught a lesson in respect, dignity and manners. Today the GG honoured those brave individuals that helped save lives in the terrible tragedy. I am outraged that his vindictive comments are exposed for all to see. I don’t they will be voting National after reading his bizarre comments in tomorrow mornings Press. He has done a lot of damage to National through his insane comments. I hope he has plenty of money. He will be sued. I expect your types to be supportive of such a despicable character as filth hangs with filth. How do you think people that lost loved ones in the quake will take to being called “scum” and “useless pricks” You just lost my vote National!
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August 14, 2014 9:42pm
Yoza

All_on_Red (1,436 comments) says:
August 14th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

Don’t be silly Judith. I’m not tribal. You’re the one full of hate and anger who is obsessed with posting anti JK ( and Judith Collins) stuff on here. It’s burning you up. You need help really.
Night.

Says All_on_Red in a shrill, almost hysterical, tone.
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August 14, 2014 9:47pm
ShawnLH

“Oh shut up Shawny Curls what do you think of blubber guts appalling comments about Canterbury folk? ”

Appalling. Just as appalling as you calling Judith Collins a bitch.

Since when did two wrongs make a right?
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August 14, 2014 9:49pm
Rowan

D4J
Agreed, Whale is just a big mouthed bigot, and a complete and utter scumbag, maybe he is Bigot blouses identical twin?
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August 14, 2014 10:01pm
kowtow

Slater is an appalling anti Catholic bigot.I have no time for him at all.
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August 14, 2014 10:08pm
RightNow

Slater slags off people as a bunch of Labour voters and D4J says they won’t vote National now.
Is that the gist of it?
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August 14, 2014 10:24pm
All_on_Red

Yoza
You’re such a whining little dick. There’s nothing shrill or hysterical about me. Getting under your skin is it. Imagining how people talk now.You come here every day and get made to look foolish.
So funny.
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August 14, 2014 11:06pm
Gulag1917

The secret report that helps Israel hide facts
The slickness of Israel’s spokesmen is rooted in directions set down by the pollster Frank Luntz
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
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August 15, 2014 12:12am
UglyTruth

Either way D4J I would think long and hard about picking a fight with a chap who shows no mercy.

Scared of WheelOil?

FFS, man, get a grip.
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August 15, 2014 7:35am
Griff

Blub blub AKA all in red
You are such a pathetic little wing nut .
I really love it when you do the sycophantic suck up to any one with wing nut ideas like yours.
As to group think.
Pity your group cant think .
Projection is a facet of wingnut behavior blubby boy you often show this with your attacks on others illustrating more your own metal problems.
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August 15, 2014 7:45am
All_on_Red

You’re such a dumb c**t Griff. You can’t even spell or string a sentence together. The Kiwiblog village idiot and an object of scorn, derision and amusement. Everyone just laughs at you. No wonder no one will have a live in relationship with you. Got any kids? I doubt it. You’re too full of anger and frustration.
Carry on.
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August 15, 2014 1:34pm
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Hager the Horrible

I do not understand how someone in possession of stolen personal property – emails, in this case – can publish them for their own interests and financial gain.

Neither do I understand why those to whom the stolen property belongs, do not declare that to a court and have the publication stopped and withdrawn.

Also, if an untrue allegation is made in a private email between two people, does a third party accepting full responsibility for publicising such information that the original two have not intended.
What is Hager’s legal position in publishing material that the originators intended to go no further than a private
communication between themselves?
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