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Accurate pre-election Epsom polling = Nobel Prize mathematics
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August 11, 2014 8:03am
duggledog

10 August 2014:

Winston Peters ‘Two Wongs Don’t Make A Right!’ (White? Whyte?)

Classy, Winston.

Three things need to happen here:

1: The media, in particular Tova O’Brien and Guyon Espiner, need to stop trying to be the new clergy. WTF do they think they are doing, making a big deal of it? That’s what he wants!
2: Dame Susan Devoy needs to condemn the remark, then resign along with the entire commission due to being utterly pointless, an unnecessary cost to the taxpayer and ineffectual.
3: Colin Craig needs to call Winston a racist old fool, and use it to differentiate himself and his party from NZ First.

The opposition to remarks like ‘two wongs’, is not PC gone mad, it’s probably opposition to lame old 20th century post war boorishness. Who makes jokes like that anymore? You’ve got to be a little bit more clever with your casual racism these days.
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August 11, 2014 8:04am
TimG_Oz

700 journos in Gaza. Just one in Mosul. Follow @Matthew__Barber
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August 11, 2014 8:06am
Lance

Well I am shocked.
In West Auckland here, in the Henderson stronghold of Maori/PI there is the Pah’s Park area.
The only defaced billboard is Hone’s head has been cut out.

Not sure what to make of that?
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August 11, 2014 8:10am
EAD

15 years into the social revolution bought to us by the Labour-National party, I’m not surprised to see an article like this now in our newspapers which state that “Language experts are in shock”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10368912/Migrant-report-stuns-linguists

What are they in shock you about you may ask?

They are in shock because the government SUGGESTS migrants should learn English to better integrate into New Zealand society…. No forcing, no language requirements to gain entry to the country, just shock that the government might suggest you learn the language of the host nation so that the immigrant might be able to be more successful in the country.

It really puts pay to the Labour-National party line that we only let in those of “high quality” who have the skills we desperately need.

If you keep voting for the 2 different versions of the Labour-National party, keep watching their progressive philosophy ratchet up year, by year until the train reaches it’s final destination.
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August 11, 2014 8:12am
kowtow

Why we should be backing Assad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11024035/British-Primark-jihadist-killed-fighting-with-Islamic-State.html
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August 11, 2014 8:13am
Slipster

Never mind the billboard Lance. In times gone by, they would simply cut his own head off. Consider it progress.
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August 11, 2014 8:14am
kowtow

Why we should be backing Assad and blocking Muslim immigration.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2721230/Thats-boy-Australian-jihadists-seven-year-old-son-poses-decapitated-head-Syrian-solider.html
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August 11, 2014 8:18am
stephieboy

EAD, are you proposing a Christian Theocracy for NZ.?

Kowtow backing Assad.?? I trust that has the blessing of Your Queen Sarah and her Fox News.?
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August 11, 2014 8:20am
RRM

Has Colin Craig sued anybody today?
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August 11, 2014 8:22am
James Stephenson

The only defaced billboard is Hone’s head has been cut out.

Not sure what to make of that?

Someone’s made a mask to wear at some sports game?
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August 11, 2014 8:23am
kowtow

700 journos in Gaza ,only one in Mosul.

Proves the vast majority are useless cowards and that their employers are anti western activists.

Extraodrinary how much coverage Gaza gets when the real genocide,and major story is the breakup of Syria and Mesopotamia.

And where’s the extensive coverage of the ongoing disintegration of Libya.
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August 11, 2014 8:24am
James Stephenson

On a lighter note – 18 years since the Oasis gig at Knebworth, fark I feel old suddenly.

All I remember of the day were the traffic, the shit PA, people re-selling beer halfway down the beer tent queue and the Bootleg Beatles first on were the best band 😀
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August 11, 2014 8:25am
EAD

The always brilliant Mark Steyn opines on the US Government’s bagpipe crackdown as the Obama Nazis have decided that people are not allowed to take bagpipes across the land borders of Canada

http://www.steynonline.com/6505/piper-lament

Styen notes:
“Have any of my somewhat unsatisfactory roster of New Hampshire Senate candidates said anything about their constituents’ bagpipe seizure? America has a two-party system in which one party is committed to making things worse and the other party isn’t committed to making things any better.

Sounds a bit like New Zealand doesn’t it?

The truth is this is how liberty dies, with a thousand cuts, day after day after day. Bill Clinton famously said, “The age of Big Government is over”. And in a sense he’s right: This is an age of small, itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny government, in which nothing is too inconsequential (i.e. infinitesimaly small blood/alcohol levels) and trivial (i.e. paddling pools or plain packaging)not to command the attention of the government enforcers – until, cumulatively, all the itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny government adds up to the biggest government ever seen.
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August 11, 2014 8:25am
EAD

@ Stephie, 8.20 – even by your standards, that made me laugh 🙂
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August 11, 2014 8:27am
kowtow

stephie

Your Black Warlord is now supporting Assad by his extremely limited bombing of Assads’ enemies in Iraq.
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August 11, 2014 8:27am
IGM

Another morning of pro-Labour rhetoric from NewstalkZB. Who is the left-wing chief sub in that hive of leeches?
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August 11, 2014 8:32am
ShawnLH

Tides turning in Iraq? Kurdish fighters take back 2 towns from ISIS militants.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/10/kurdish-forces-retake-2-towns-from-isis-in-northern-iraq/
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August 11, 2014 8:32am
Paulus

I see that Christchurch is spawning a huge new Wealth sect of people.
Luxury cars have been booming for the last year and a half ,and new sales figures have shown that is still booming even more.

Why –

Look at up to $50,000,000,000 that has and is being poured into Christchurch, by Insurance Companies and the Government (yes – Taxpayers throughout the country have allowed money to be poured in on our behalf like Topsy) – and you wonder why the nouveau riche are appearing.
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August 11, 2014 8:36am
Gulag1917

By the age of 16, the teens are enrolled in military camps and prepared to be trained for military action.

Details of the young training camps come after a warning by former Australian Army head Peter Leahy that Australia is in the early stages of a war that “is likely to last for the rest of the century”.

“We must be ready to protect ourselves and where necessary, act pre-emptively to neutralise the evident threat,” Prof Leahy told The Weekend Australian. “Get ready for a long war.”

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/video-from-islamic-state-shows-how-children-are-being-trained-to-be-jihadists/story-e6frg12c-1227019850990
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August 11, 2014 8:40am
EAD

The more and more I look at Islamic demographics I struggle to see how a massive conflict between Islam and the Judeo-Christian can be avoided as the two belief systems (especially the fundamentalist wahaabi version of Islam) are incompatible:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wiping-out-the-christians-of-syria-and-iraq-to-remap-the-mid-east-prerequisite-to-a-clash-of-civilizations/5394075

I don’t think Cameron Slater was being unduly alarmist when he posted this article: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/new-zealand-will-turn-muslim-state/
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August 11, 2014 8:41am
Keeping Stock

Peters is trying to pass off his racist “Two Wongs” jibe as a joke, but not only was it not funny; it was blatant racism.

You know an election is imminent when Peters plays the race card. But it is time the public kicked the xenophobic pensioner from St Mary’s Bay and his rag-tag band of believers to touch, for good.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/peters-it-was-only-joke.html
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August 11, 2014 8:41am
kowtow

Shawn

Tide turning?

Temporary set back.
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August 11, 2014 8:41am
holysheet

Has Colin Craig sued anybody today?
Has Penny paid her rates yet?
Has silent T said sorry to anybody today?
Has Winston First paid back the money yet?
Has Mad Matt paid to IRD the PAYE he fleeced?
Have the police charged farmer X yet?
So many unanswered questions!
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August 11, 2014 8:47am
G152

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/peters-it-was-only-joke.html

Racist joke tells racist joke
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August 11, 2014 8:51am
Keeping Stock

@ G152 – thanks; I wish I’d thought of that line 😀
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August 11, 2014 8:52am
hj

Wang, the most popular surname in Auckland

Published: 7:30PM Sunday August 10, 2014 Source: ONE News

Top five surnames in Auckland, 2013:

1 – Wang

2 – Li

3 – Chen

4 – Liu

5 – Smith

Massey University migration ~~expert,~~ shill Paul Spoonley, says its a reflection of the diverse immigration into the country.

“The old Anglo-Saxon names like Smith are just being swamped, if you like, by the arrival of these new migrant communities.”

Outside of Auckland European names still dominate but Mr Spoonleysays this could change in the future.

“India and China have big talent pools and we need their talent. They bring skills with them, so it’s part of reality for New Zealand.”

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Successful economies can absorb large numbers of immigrants while sustaining high per
capita incomes, as demonstrated by the experience of New Zealand in the 19th century.

However, strong economies also perform well without immigrants: the US economy
performed well around 1900 with strong immigration, and also performed well in the 1920s
with more restricted immigration.

Factor price equalisation is still relevant as economies and markets evolve. However,
today skilled labour is not scarce relative to other factors in New Zealand, or relative to other developed countries. By OECD standards New Zealand is a strong performer on
hours and participation, and weak on total factor productivity (TFP) growth; for developed countries there is a negative relationship between TFP growth and growth in total hours
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worked. New Zealand also has relatively low wages, and high emigration of skilled labour. These circumstances do not suggest a shortage of labour relative to other
resources, so there are unlikely to be large positive benefits to New Zealand from factor
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equalisation from increasing labour supply.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10
And the big news is (shock, horror) WP uses the Two Wongs don’t make a White joke in response to the but Labour sold more farmland to foreigners than we did.
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August 11, 2014 9:05am
kowtow

EAD

Muslim demographics.That and ongoing massive immigration. Aided and abetted by human rights legislation guarantees that Europe will suffer a new balkanisaton.

Already happening with Muslim enclaves in British and French cities. Sweden too.Sydney heading that way.Dearborn Michigan in the US.

Our media is largely silent but certainly complicit.
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August 11, 2014 9:07am
oldpark

Was wondering why Gomerel Cunliffe has failed to mention the inheritance tax or defacto death duties.Should him and his gang of ISIS type renegades lie their way into running the good ship nation of NZ,a very high price will have to be paid.Starting with higher taxes ,higher retirement age ,higher debt.and a North Korean environment.,with green taleban,labour unionists,mana/dotcom thugs,peters party liars.Roaming the streets and telling us what is good for us that they know best.The mentioned parties hate the police,our national security system,most things that are morally good will be destroyed..Sadly a few pieces of silver offered by the sicko lefftos will buy many many votes, even though the time proven well being of NZs, and their enjoyed democracy will be destroyed.,by a bunch of lying political thugs.
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August 11, 2014 9:08am
hj

Rod Oram

Logically, Shanghai Pengxin’s products will leave the country at the lowest possible price and the lowest possible level of sophistication so it can capture the maximum profit in China. For example, Shanghai could export its milk powder at commodity prices and blend them into highly valuable infant formula in China.

This model is how our primary sector now operates. For example, some 80 per cent of Fonterra’s sales are whole milk powder. It does make some infant formula. But vastly more of that is for foreign companies under their brands than for sale under its own.

Stunning evidence for this came two years ago when Pfizer of the United States sold its human nutrition business to Nestle for US$12 billion. The bulk of the business was infant formula and its prize asset a large share of the branded market in China.

Fonterra remains a substantial manufacturer of infant formula for the business now owned by Nestle. But its only reward is a toll fee for processing. Its farmer-shareholders’ only reward is the commodity price for the milk the sell to their co-op.

The red meat industry differs only in one big respect. While an excellent cut of meat attracts a high price in a foreign supermarket, the upside is far less than dairy companies enjoy with infant formula. But that point is largely irrelevant. Our meat processors capture little of the value they create for others.

This commodity trap is deeply rooted in our psyche and our economy, as the World Economic Forum proves in its annual competitiveness ranking of countries. One of its criteria is competitive advantage, with countries ranked on a scale of one (low cost natural resources) to seven (unique products and services). We score 4.1, ranking us 36th in the world.
It also ranks value capture from one (role in the value chain is mainly confined to one step such as resource extraction) to seven (involved all the way down the value chain, capturing extra value along the way). We score 3.8, ranking us 58th.

Some people will say: “Oh, well, we might as well approve some more foreign investment deals. They are small and won’t change things much.”

But things are changing fast. Previous dairy farm sales to the likes of US and German investors have had little impact because they sell their milk to NZ processors. The processors, in turn, still have the opportunity to do something more valuable with it, even if they are ineffectual at doing so.

Now, however, foreign buyers are increasingly seeking to create vertically integrated businesses.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/10363727/No-big-bucks-from-foreign-ownership-of-NZ-farms
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August 11, 2014 9:12am
mikenmild

I see kowtow is on about the Muslim demographics again. Did you know, kowtow, that the percentage of Muslims in Europe will rise from 6% in 2010 to a massive 8% by 2030? At that rate we will see a Muslim majority by the 25th century. Run for the hills!
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August 11, 2014 9:16am
Scott

Just a heads up that one of our fellow bloggers, the much loved Penny Bright has successfully pressured a local Baptist Church hosting a political event to have her speak as an independent candidate. So she will speak as well as John Key apparently. But she says that she can play by the rules. We shall see – as for me I remain sceptical.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10369010/Legal-action-threat-gets-candidate-on-to-stage
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August 11, 2014 9:19am
muggins

From 65 to 8????
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August 11, 2014 9:19am
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – some GREAT news to start your day 🙂

Candidate allowed on stage after threat

Veteran political activist allowed to speak next to John Key and Laila Harre tonight after legal action threatened.
STUFF.CO.NZ

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10369010/Legal-action-threat-gets-candidate-on-to-stage

“When your rights are under attack – STAND UP! FIGHT BACK! ”

I wasn’t bluffing. Graham McCready was all set to help me put an injunction together.

I’m REALLY pleased that is no longer necessary.

Looking forward to tonight! It’s going to be FUN!

‘Her Warship’

PS: What the Fairfax reporter failed to mention was that last year, in the 2013 Auckland Mayoralty ‘race’ – I polled 4th with 11,723 votes.

The Helensville electorate sits within the Auckland Supercity (Super RIPOFF) boundaries, so I’ve been arguably working in the interests of the 99% of Helensville voters, in opposing this forced amalgamation since Day One.
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August 11, 2014 9:23am
mikenmild

Sorry muggins, now corrected to 6%
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August 11, 2014 9:23am
mikenmild

Hi Penny
Do you think you will do better than the 124 votes you scored in Epsom last time out?
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August 11, 2014 9:25am
dime

HJ – you boring, one issue mofo

i hope smith goes to 15th on the list:

Top surnames in Auckland, 2016:

1 – Wang

2 – Li

3 – Chen

4 – Liu

5 – Zhang

6 – Chan

7 – Yang

8 – Zhao

9 – Kim

10 – Lee

11 – Park

12 – Chao

13 – Sato

14 – Ito

15 – Smith
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August 11, 2014 9:25am
Pete George

It’s a real shame it takes threats of legal action to get equal-ish debating/speaking rights in election forums. Good on Penny for pressuring for equal democratic rights.

All candidates in any election should be on an equal opportunity footing. Far too often self interested media and self protecting major parties try to pick and exclude losers. That should be up to the voters.
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August 11, 2014 9:26am
dime

“Do you think you will do better than the 124 votes you scored in Epsom last time out?”

That would be 124 more votes than youd get milky. cant imagine you have the coin to live there.
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August 11, 2014 9:26am
kowtow

A majority only matters when you seek a democratic mandate.

Muslims will go to war with Europe long before that. They don’t believe in democracy.

We are weak and don’t want to fight.They know that.They and their useful idiots in the left,multiculturalists, the media etc will bring down first our culture and then our civilisation ,unless we’re prepared to do something about it.

The attacks on Abbott for stopping the boats are an excellent exampe of the war against the west.
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August 11, 2014 9:26am
Ross12

I listened to Key talking to Hosking this morning. This journalist reporting the comments is twisting things just to get a headline.
Key was just saying don’t read anything into the poll.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24678398/pm-not-worried-act-will-lose-epsom/

hj –Rod Oram is one key reason the STT is losing circulation.
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August 11, 2014 9:28am
itstricky

You know an election is imminent when Peters plays the race card.

You mean like Whyte, or different to that?
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August 11, 2014 9:37am
itstricky

That would be 124 more votes than youd get milky. cant imagine you have the coin to live there.

Wow. Defending Penny. Things have got serious. I thought there was a good rate paying joke in there, but alas it’s gone all sour.
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August 11, 2014 9:39am
doggone7

IGM: “Another morning of pro-Labour rhetoric from NewstalkZB. Who is the left-wing chief sub in that hive of leeches?”

Mike Hosking????
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August 11, 2014 9:40am
ciaron

I’m not a betting man, but I think a sweepstake on when Penny will be ejected is in order 🙂
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August 11, 2014 9:41am
kowtow

Make no mistake ,this is the Koran,Islam at its purest. Demanding conversion on pain of death and murdering those who refuse and the taking of sex slaves ,it’s all in the Koran.It was Jewish tribes who mostly suffered this fate in the days of Mohammed,that’s why the Islamic world particularly hate Jews,it’s in the Koran.

Get a copy and study it.

Don’t be fooled by the apologists in academia ,the craven Christian churches or Muslim spokesits who say there is no compulsion in Islam, there is respect and tolerance for others,jihad is a spiritual struggle.

All bullshit.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10369228/500-Yazidis-slaughtered-by-Islamic-State
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August 11, 2014 9:43am
mikenmild

Yes ciaron, I can’t imagine Penny lasting more than 30 seconds before mentioning John Key…
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August 11, 2014 9:45am
Paulus

Hear this mng from Junior Junior at Akld Uni that there is a concerted move afoot to get people along to really disrupt tonight’s Helensville election meeting. It appears that many were at the previous Utube meeting.
They are looking to out do the Utube from last week with Adolf Kim de Crim – targeting Key.
Sounds actually serious anarchist attempt.
Hope does not go to violence but suspect that is what the organisers want.
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August 11, 2014 9:50am
hj

Bernard Hickey says capital flows from China into NZ are still only a trickle. The relaxation of capital controls in China and arrival of Chinese banks may turn this into a flood
http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/71372/bernard-hickey-says-capital-flows-china-nz-are-still-only-trickle-relaxation-capital-c
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August 11, 2014 9:56am
Jack5

Will the genocide of the Yazidis in Iraq at last awaken NZ to the dangers of the ultra-Islamicists who have apparently been active at the Auckland and Christchurch mosques?
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August 11, 2014 9:56am
hj

dime (9,524 comments) says:
August 11th, 2014 at 9:25 am

HJ – you boring, one issue mofo

i hope smith goes to 15th on the list:
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dime (9,524 comments) says:
May 23rd, 2014 at 10:32 am

Cracks me up how people get so riled up about immigrants. Especially them chinese.

Dime loves em – i like their food, i like their reasonably priced blow jobs, i like that they only seem to commit crimes against each other, i like that they have made me a fortune in property, i like that they built me a kick ass house.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/editorials_on_immigration.html
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August 11, 2014 9:57am
Jack5

Re Dime at 9.25 on most common surnames in Auckland.

Evidence NZ has been sold out in the sense there was no debate, no treaty, no warfare over the second great ethnic re-engineering of NZ.

Brilliant coup by the immigration industry, supported by real estate, PR and related industries, and by corrupted politicians, a few of whom have been in the headlines.
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August 11, 2014 9:59am
dime

“You did say “I love those Chinese: they made me a fortune in property” didn’t you?”

I do ok in property.

I do even better in business from having a larger population to sell stuff to.

Id like to see our population double. A rich Dime is a happy Dime.
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August 11, 2014 10:04am
hj

dime (9,525 comments) says:
I do even better in business from having a larger population to sell stuff to.
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but you do dime. It’s called exporting!
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August 11, 2014 10:09am
Fletch

Obama takes time out before his vacation to travel 600 miles out of his way to make an appearance at the opening of the “gay games” (which I’ve never heard of). Says it all really.

I’m not sure why gay athletes don’t compete in the traditional Olympics.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/08/09/obama-makes-surprise-appearance-to-kick-off-gay-games/
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August 11, 2014 10:12am
hj

I think we understand all that “Racism ” stuff thrown at Winston Peters on this sight huh?
😉
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August 11, 2014 10:15am
Fletch

Anti-Semitism is rife in Europe and even the U.S.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/sweden-ever-so-quickly-has-gone-from-so-called-anti-zionism-to-open-anti-semitism/

Rome being plastered with posters saying do not buy from Jews!

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/08/09/news/boicotta_israele_a_roma_spuntano_manifesti_contro_i_negozi_dei_commercianti_ebrei-93449976/

And a Rabbi is murdered in Miami.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Jewish-Rabbi-Shot-Killed-While-Walking-to-North-Miami-Beach-Temple-Police-270608571.html
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August 11, 2014 10:17am
hj

Labour Party, Green Party mana thing Party:

Warning Contains itstricky
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August 11, 2014 10:18am
Fletch

More sports news for you – the 61 year old manager of boxer Lennox Lewis is becoming a woman, and will now be known as Kellie.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/manager-world-boxing-champion-reveals-woman-article-1.1898519

The world is just getting more perverted and just down right….stupid.
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August 11, 2014 10:22am
ciaron

Holly Ryan should have pulled the plug on the whole thing rather than accept the Church’s decision, reschedule and sell tickets at a nominal price, call it a private function and tell Penny to Foxtrot Oscar.
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August 11, 2014 10:22am
UglyTruth

Make no mistake ,this is the Koran,Islam at its purest. Demanding conversion on pain of death

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:14-16

he that believeth not is condemned
John 3:18

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ezekiel 18:20
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August 11, 2014 10:22am
Manolo

Islamic barbarity for the world to see: http://www.lastampa.it/2014/08/10/esteri/iraq-continuano-i-raid-americani-sugli-jihadisti-migliaia-di-yazidi-in-fuga-dallassedio-dei-miliziani-6frdKGR0CmGmXhxZQwSyTI/pagina.html
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August 11, 2014 10:24am
questions

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/latest-edition/latest-news/10363785/Popes-paedophile-priest-catcher-in-NZ

There’s going to be a fair few puckered assholes, on the other side of the curtain for once, in the coming days!
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August 11, 2014 10:28am
Pete George

Colmar Brunton have done a very interesting analysis of movements in party preference since the 2011 election. It shows there are significant swings across all major parties, both to and from each party.

http://www.colmarbrunton.co.nz/index.php/polls-and-surveys/political-polls/vote-switching-analysis-2014
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August 11, 2014 10:31am
muggins

Was Enoch Powell right?

http://riversofblood.co.uk/
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August 11, 2014 10:34am
Fletch

UglyTruth @ 10:22am

That is totally different. Christians aren’t threatening to actually physically kill you now if you don’t convert. Those scriptures you quote are largely about the afterlife and the decision of what will happen to you is based upon your choice right now.

If I told you that you had a choice between swimming in a crocodile infested lake, or a heated swimming pool, which would you choose? Well, you have the same choice as regards where you want to spend the afterlife. And Christians are telling you about it – warning you about it – giving you the choice – right now. You can do whatever you want.
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August 11, 2014 10:35am
Fletch

Now there is a video of Kim Dot Com burning an effigy of John Key.

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/john-key-hits-dotcom-over-burning-effigy-video-6051713
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August 11, 2014 10:41am
UglyTruth

That is totally different. Christians aren’t threatening to actually physically kill you now if you don’t convert.

Where does the Quran say to actually physically kill people if they don’t convert?

Those scriptures you quote are largely about the afterlife and the decision of what will happen to you is based upon your choice right now.

One of the teachings of Christianity is eternal life – in that context disbelief becomes a matter of life and death.
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August 11, 2014 10:41am
mikenmild

That’s a great link muggins. What did you like most about it? The Hitler quotes?
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August 11, 2014 10:42am
IGM

Cummings, editor “Manawatu Standard”, has just shown his left-wing bias in one of the most disgusting editorials one could ever have the misfortune to read. This pathetic socialist beast should be removed from his position of influence, showing the ability, decency, and decadence of a rodent.
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August 11, 2014 10:43am
mikenmild

You’ll be voting for Iain Lees-Galloway then, IGM? Did you see that electorate race profiled on TVNZ on the weekend?
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August 11, 2014 10:46am
kowtow

uglytooth

Can you point to somewhere in the world today where Christain missionaries,spreading the Word of God are doing anything remotely like the barbarity we witness frm Muslims?

ps Any news of the girls kidnapped by Muslims in Northern Nigeria,you know the ones the celebs all hachtagged about for a few seconds?
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August 11, 2014 10:50am
kowtow

Enoch Powell was right and at the time had massive suport from the British people ,including trade unionists who knew immigration was bad for the working classes.

Powell,and the British people were betrayed by the permanent political class at the time particularly his own Conservative Party.

The British Conservative party contiunes its treachery today and hopefully UKip kicks arse in the next general election.

It’s already probably too late for a peaceful resolution of the immigration fiasco that britain and indeed western Europe has become.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515493/Soldier-Lee-Rigby-murdered-mutilated-decapitated-Woolwich-attack-court-hears.html
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August 11, 2014 10:55am
UglyTruth

“I saw Pope Emeritus Joseph Ratzinger murder a little girl″ stated another witness on Oct. 28 2013. “It was at a French chateau in the fall of 1987. It was ugly, horrible and didn’t happen just once. Ratzinger, Dutch Cardinal Alfrink and Prince Bernhard were some of the more prominent men who took part.”

The allegations confirmed what Dutch therapist and witness Toos Nijenhuis told Annett a few months prior. Toos claimed that as a child she also was forced to witness child murders that involved Ratzinger, Alfrink and Bernhard.

Link

[DPF:30 demerits. Troll elsewhere]
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August 11, 2014 10:56am
mikenmild

Now Ugly, we’ve talked about the ITCCS before and you know it’s a load of codswallop. Before It’s News is always good for a laugh though.
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August 11, 2014 10:58am
UglyTruth

Stop being a dick, MM
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August 11, 2014 11:01am
mikenmild

kowtow
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that UKIP will be as successful in the next UK general election as it was in the last one.
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August 11, 2014 11:02am
Jack5

Re HJ at 9.56 linking to Hickey on Chinese capital flows to NZ….

Interesting to see in the article who the local links are:

State-owned China Construction Bank, chaired in New Zealand by Jenny Shipley, was registered as a New Zealand bank earlier this year, while Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, chaired here by Don Brash, was registered as a New Zealand bank last year.

Do you reckon the banks will do well in NZ if these two have any more than figurehead roles?
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August 11, 2014 11:03am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Looks like Amercia up to its same old tricks in Baghdad. Another Country, another Coup. Saigon all over again.
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August 11, 2014 11:04am
mikenmild

You’ve acknowledged before Ugly that the ITCCS is not actually an ‘international court’ (in fact it’s a one-man blog), so I’m not sure why you still link to this stuff.
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August 11, 2014 11:07am
kowtow

ugly

get help before it’s too late.(Probably already is)
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August 11, 2014 11:27am
stephieboy

OECD, utter piffle. You read too much David Icke, Global Research or is it Inforwars. ?
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August 11, 2014 11:34am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth ‘s “Before its news” spams this kind of utter garbage ,

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/10/escape-from-area-51-alien-evidence-revealed-2467726.html

and this,

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/08/blood-moon-prophecy-2014-9th-of-av-august-4-5th-2014-

And much, much more.
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August 11, 2014 11:39am
IGM

mikenwimp: The only vote Slees-Gutterway would receive from me would be my size nine in a tender spot.
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August 11, 2014 11:41am
kowtow

OECD

“Saigon” !.Comrade, it was gloriously renamed Ho Chi Minh City. Careful or you’ll be sent for re education.
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August 11, 2014 11:48am
ShawnLH

“The allegations confirmed what Dutch therapist and witness Toos Nijenhuis told Annett a few months prior. Toos claimed that as a child she also was forced to witness child murders that involved Ratzinger, Alfrink and Bernhard.”

What a load of utter crap, from one of our resident Nazi nutjobs.
Here are a few headlines from the whackjob web sites UglyNazi is using as a source:

Hollow Earth – The Biggest Cover Up – Videos Part 1 & 2

WHO CONTROLS the ILLUMINATI

Iraq Military Coup Against Al-Maliki In Process Babylon Prophecy Happening?

Alien Buildings On Moon’s Surfaces Near Zhukovsky Crater

Why Are Chemtrails Being Digitally Added to Old Movies?

How Illuminati Agent Scofield Brainwashed All Christians!

Now does anyone with a brain think that this web site should be taken seriously?
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August 11, 2014 11:48am
mikenmild

stephie
I gather anyone can post pretty much anything at Before It’s News. So no surprise that Ugly’s pal Kevin Arnett (of Canadian ‘genocide’ fame) would branch out from his own blog (masquerading as an international court) to post there as well.
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August 11, 2014 11:49am
ShawnLH

“You’ve acknowledged before Ugly that the ITCCS is not actually an ‘international court’ (in fact it’s a one-man blog), so I’m not sure why you still link to this stuff.”

He knows, or at least should know, that these people and their web sites are not remotely trustworthy.

So, there are three possibilities.

1. He is a liar.

2. He is mentally deranged.

3. Both of the above.

But more importantly, it goes to show that nothing he says about Jews and Zionism can be taken seriously, considering the kind of whakjob sources he uses for information.

It was Adolf Hitler who said if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it. Perhaps that is what he is counting on.
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August 11, 2014 11:58am
kowtow

I wonder how many ‘Britons’, Australians or “Kiwis” were among the murderers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720746/Women-stoned-death-Syria-adultery.html
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August 11, 2014 12:09pm
Manolo

Stephieboy to slobber over this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2720212/A-straw-visor-muumuu-Hillary-SoulCycle-shorts-Bill-Relaxed-Clintons-enjoy-downtime-beach-dogs.html
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August 11, 2014 12:11pm
ShawnLH

Noam Chomsky, the monster.

“What we’re looking at with Chomsky is a man who has dedicated essentially his entire public life to political evil. I think we are justified in calling such a person a monster.” So says Yaron Brook, commenting on Michael J. Totten’s post, “Noam Chomsky: The Last Totalitarian.”

Chomksy was a structuralist,* a supporter of Pol Pot, and the left’s go-to man for hate-filled intellectual venom. The post on which Yaron comments is an interview with Benjamin Kerstein, author of the book Diary of an Anti-Chomskyite. Asked to boil his case against Chomsky down to a few paragraphs, Kerstein makes four points: http://pc.blogspot.com.tr/2014/08/noam-chomsky-monster.html
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August 11, 2014 12:33pm
mikenmild

I think you could construct a more powerful critique of Chomsky than that pretty shallow blog post, Shawn.
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August 11, 2014 12:37pm
UglyTruth

He knows, or at least should know, that these people and their web sites are not remotely trustworthy.

But your own truthfulness is beyond reproach, right?
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August 11, 2014 12:39pm
ShawnLH

“But your own truthfulness is beyond reproach, right?”

Compared to you UglyNazi? Hell yes!
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August 11, 2014 12:41pm
UglyTruth

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12772-israeli-expert-says-iron-dome-defence-is-a-hoax

An Israeli scientist and award-winning security expert has called the Iron Dome missile defence system “the biggest hoax the world has seen”, Addustour news website has reported.

According to Dr Motty Scheffer, “Today, there is no missile which can intercept other missiles or rocket-propelled grenades, and the Iron Dome is a light audio system which blocks Israeli public opinion and, of course, itself. In fact, all the explosions that we have seen in the atmosphere are self-destruction. The Iron Dome did not launch any rocket that could intercept at least one missile fired from Gaza.”
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August 11, 2014 12:43pm
Lance

Cool… some new technology defying known physics.
Thrust in space with no exhaust matter needed.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/nasa-confirms-impossible-space-drive-actually-works-revolutionize-space-travel/#!bANdbP
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August 11, 2014 12:46pm
UglyTruth

Compared to you UglyNazi? Hell yes!

So they should just disregard your recent slander, then?
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August 11, 2014 12:46pm
Lance

@UT
Possibly your silliest post yet.

Umm… RPG’s are very close range devices, how the FUCK could any missile system be expected to intercept it?

Silly comment

The rest is typical kind of lunacy you like
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August 11, 2014 12:49pm
ShawnLH

“So they should just disregard your recent slander, then?”

It’s not slander when it is the truth, and most of “them” agree with me. You have almost no supporters on this site, apart from a couple of other mentally deranged Jew haters.

Take a look at the response to your posts. The first one here, from the whackjob site “beforeitsnews” has 9 donwticks so far, not one uptick.

Almost nobody here takes anything you say seriously UglyNazi.

But your views would be very welcome at Stormfront.com.
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August 11, 2014 12:54pm
UglyTruth

RPG’s are very close range devices, how the FUCK could any missile system be expected to intercept it?

What Scheffer said was “Today, there is no missile which can intercept other missiles or rocket-propelled grenades”

Obviously Hamas has not been using RPGs to attack targets up to 10km away.
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