General Debate 5 July 2014

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Reid

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/cassini-saturn-anniversary-best-images-2014-7#on-its-way-to-saturn-cassini-snapped-this-portrait-of-jupiter-from-62-million-miles-away-composed-of-27-images-1
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July 5, 2014 12:49pm
kowtow

stephieb

“……misogyny towards women…….”

Is there another kind ?
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July 5, 2014 12:50pm
nasska

Gulag1917

….”Children’s excessive discipline, child mortality, domestic violence and murders generally happen in a certain socio-economic class”….

To a large extent you’re right although I’ve seen some terrible beatings handed out to kids whose families all trotted off to church like good citizens every Sunday. Most were PI’s & David Garrett’s recent anecdotes about child discipline in Tonga are telling.

It’s the instances that I’ve witnessed where some fat arsed woman gives a kid a clout over the head that sends them halfway up a supermarket aisle that allowed the banning legislation to pass.

For what it’s worth I’m not against “smacking” per se but if it is to be reintroduced it must be defined so as to totally prohibit child torture & beatings which seemed sanctioned by S59.
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July 5, 2014 12:50pm
Gulag1917

One squadron of old Russian planes could still beat anything NZ has to offer.
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July 5, 2014 12:51pm
Redbaiter

Hey reid, if you could zoom in on that photo of Saturn you’d be able to see the command center Stupifiedboy gets his orders from.

Its actually only a sub station.

The main command center is in another galaxy.
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July 5, 2014 12:52pm
Gulag1917

nasska I agree that there is a problem in church going Polynesian areas. A problem that needs addressing.
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July 5, 2014 12:53pm
Redbaiter

“Is there another kind ?”

He might have been thinking of Labour’s Rainbow faction.
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July 5, 2014 12:54pm
Johnboy

Gulag 1917…Only since Helen sold us out to the Russians for that perceived slight regarding her being invited to Ohakea for a “Bring a Dog Night” ! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 12:55pm
Judith

@ Gulag1917 (574 comments) says:
July 5th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

I’m going to get slapped down for saying this because it comes back to the nature vs nurture debate, however, you are correct in that violence appears more in lower socio-economic groups.

My stance is this:-

Violence occurs most where there is uncontrolled anger. Uncontrolled anger occurs most when life is out of balance. When the economic, social and personal aspects are unable to be assimilated with each other. In our current society, money is a strong controlling factor. When there is a shortage of it, life becomes unbalanced. The social and the personal aspects become difficult to balance, at least to levels that are deemed acceptable. So like it or not, socio-economic status plays a large role, especially when social mobility is difficult to achieve.

Together with that concept is the ability for people who are more intelligent, with problem solving skills, to sort out problems as they eventuate. This is where I’ll get shot down, but in many cases (not all), people in the lower socio-economic levels, lack the ability to deal with the stress of an unbalanced life. Because intelligence is generally inherited, the ability to improve status, becomes determined by family as well. As generations proceed the ability to deal with something like violence becomes ingrained because of the example.

Whilst people in the upper levels may smack their children, those children are probably intelligent enough, and have the other examples that allows them to understand the reasoning behind the action. Not all children do – especially those in the situation aforementioned.

That is why for some it becomes a way of life, and for others, it serves positively as a moderating factor. I would even suggest that those in the higher status levels are not exposed to the same degree of stressors etc, which allow the use of violence in anger to be witnessed and therefore adopted as a way of life.
(having said all that, do not believe that violence doesn’t occur in the upper levels of society – it does, but frequently is hidden – but when it comes out, it is often more extreme – e.g. Clayton Witherston)
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July 5, 2014 12:55pm
stephieboy

Reid, the US a Police state.? Your link doesn’t bother to consider whether a parallel Police Complaints Conduct authority will be reviewing the case.? This would be highly likely and there is no evidence, as per usual, that people are been carted off to FEMA conentarion camps. simple fact of the matter they don’t exist.!
The alleged Police State claims that is rampant amongst right wing nutters NWO ,Conpiracy buffs ,Fox news, WND etc is analyzed here,

http://skepticproject.com/team-review/1/police-state-2000/
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July 5, 2014 12:57pm
Reid

Reid, as though the Russian Airforce does not have similar problems with the grounding of it’s MIG 29 fleet in 2009.,

Stephie, as I keep telling you, you don’t know how to think. See, if you could, then you’d know the F-35 program has been suffering major development problems for quite a few years now and that the report from RT was merely yet another in a long long line of similar reports from all sorts of agencies all around the world dating back many years. I didn’t post it BTW to pretend to be telling anyone anything new, I merely thought it was an amusing juxtaposition with the other story. So you got the wrong of the stick already, didn’t you.

Now it’s one thing to be ignorant and if you were merely that then fine, everyone is ignorant of some things, I am, you are, everyone is, no big deal.

But it’s quite another to not only be ignorant but think you aren’t. That’s your first mistake. It’s called arrogance.

Your second mistake, which is where you cross the line from being arrogant into being both arrogant and stupid, is that you pay most attention to the source of information rather than to the information itself. This is what children do, because they’re not equipped to know any better. But when you’re an adult, you’re supposed to be able to assimilate information and use logical processes to sort it into truth and falsity with all shades of probability in between. But you have never demonstrated that technique, ever, in any of your posts here.

Which is why I never bother to discuss anything with you, since it’s less productive than discussing particle physics with a child, since a child knows he doesn’t understand, whereas you think, or rather hallucinate, that you do.
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July 5, 2014 1:00pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter

God lord, I wasn’t offering my services. The ol’ boy frequently tells me he hopes I never cheat on him. He loves humanity too much to wish that on any man! It makes him feel noble to suffer for the sake of others. 🙂
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July 5, 2014 1:01pm
Johnboy

Yes Judith. I see the urge to slap your sprogs increasing every time I head over to The Standard.

God knows what effect a loss on September 20th will have on the rank and file of the Labour Party if their hierarchy are already behaving like this? 🙂
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July 5, 2014 1:02pm
MH

would somebody please play the race card and identify and quantify those men involved consistently in violence towards “our” women. No,don’t ruin the argument by being honest or objective. Labour strongholds? Don’t exclude my WASPish upbringing. Perhaps if we had more men in primary schools with good mores we’d be a better society.
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July 5, 2014 1:07pm
Judith

@ Johnboy (14,622 comments) says:
July 5th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

I don’t think anyone thinks labour is going to win the election. The question is very much what sort of government National will be able to stitch together. An outright win, in my opinion, would be far superior than anything else on offer, but I fear we will have an abomination of a coalition, that will mean nothing gets done, as National is held to ransom by the minority partners.

I still say if that happens, we will be back at the polls before due time.

As much as I strongly dislike Key (have I mentioned that before?) I would prefer National to win without the need for a coalition.
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July 5, 2014 1:07pm
Johnboy

I pray every night for an outcome such as you have promoted Judith! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 1:09pm
Redbaiter

“God lord, I wasn’t offering my services.”

That’s OK, because even if I’d needed them, I don’t ever pay.
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July 5, 2014 1:11pm
nasska

….” I don’t ever pay.”…..

Crap….you’d have to pay your right hand to give you a wank Baity. 🙂
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July 5, 2014 1:16pm
Gulag1917

Judith
One way out of the mess is to have a decent education [and the system is not delivering] for the poor to work their way out. The public education system is dumbing things down e.g. delaying being taught trigonometry by a year. The poor often historically have had less crime levels and less murder rates than they have now which gets provokes the question, why.
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July 5, 2014 1:25pm
stigie

The left hand could be cheaper Nasska ? Just sayin !~
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July 5, 2014 1:30pm
Johnboy

Just wondering what size Trev’s Moa’s will actually be? 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-gauge_shotgun
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July 5, 2014 1:34pm
UglyTruth

Reid, this is for you:

http://www.intellihub.com/denver-international-airports-department-of-defense-connection-exposed/
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July 5, 2014 1:38pm
Longknives

Jesus Christ how hard are they are trying to force this ‘celebration’ on us?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11287670

You can shove ‘Matariki’ up your arse New Zealand Herald. It is a completely fabricated event and has about as much credibility as the Maori ‘King’….
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July 5, 2014 1:39pm
Manolo

Be careful, UT. Rumour has it there is a mosque under Denver International Airport.
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July 5, 2014 1:41pm
Peter

errr…… why would I apologise for being a woman? Kind regards Penny Bright.

Great. Understand that and you will understand why I won’t be apologising for being a man.
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July 5, 2014 1:43pm
ShawnLH

“I’m actually a politically INDEPENDENT ‘Public Watchdog’ who has a proven reputation for ‘fighting hard – but fighting clean’ and telling the truth.”

Oh Penny. Do you actually believe that? Really?

Your negative focus is primarily on National, and your opposition to free trade and asset sales and attacks on private business means you are not objective and unbiased.

Fighting clean means not stealing, and your refusal to pay the rates that every other property owner must pay is stealing.

Your a legend in your own mind only.
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July 5, 2014 1:45pm
stephieboy

U T , Reid and wiki etc.I was at a cafe yesterday when a good friend of mine whilst he had no doubts that 9/11 was not an inside job b he did have some reservations about WTC 7. I sent him this link which debunks the Truther theories about WTC 7 the source of patently false anti Semitic claims about it’s owner Larry Silverstein,

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/911/building-seven/
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July 5, 2014 1:50pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

Women’s Refuge numbers near double

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11287903

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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July 5, 2014 1:50pm
ShawnLH

“Violence of any form provides the mindset that violence is acceptable. We already know that many in society lack the ability to determine reasonable force. Abolishing the anti smacking law, and reverting to the right to smack in any reasonable manner is just supporting the use of violence.”

The problem with this argument Judith is that it just repeats the word “violence” without making any distinctions between moral and immoral violence.

Violence used in self-defense, and defense of one’s family, is legitimate. Violence against an invading aggressor is legitimate. When the police use violence to take down a violent offender, that is legitimate.

So the issue is not violence, but what kind is acceptable and what kind is not. And that is what the anti-smacking issue is partly about, as well as not making otherwise perfectly good parents into potential criminals for a smack.

Personally I don’t think smacking is a particularly constructive way to deal with children. But turning thousands of parents into potential criminals was and is not the answer either. Like the marriage “equality” law this was not about dealing with an actual problem or issue in a constructive way, it was just the imposition of a far left ideology.

Domestic violence needs real solutions, practical ones that actually work, not far left ideology, including silly and counter-productive apologies for maleness.

And in a world with criminals, tyrants and terrorists, a world in which we need police and armed forces, silly statements that all violence is always wrong is just as counter-productive.
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July 5, 2014 2:02pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers – here is the website advertising the ‘Bring back Kate’ campaign to help raise public awareness about domestic violence in New Zealand:

https://bringbackkate.co.nz/#womens-refuge

We think New Zealand needs:

Leadership, investment and commitment to addressing and preventing domestic violence in New Zealand.

An independent Government Inquiry into domestic violence, considering both the ‘system’s response’ to domestic violence, and the prioritising, resourcing and funding of domestic violence services in New Zealand.

So that’s why we’re bringing back Kate to make a stand against domestic violence and once again carry a message for New Zealand.

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So far – the Leader of the Labour Party David Cunliffe, has committed to ‘An Independent Inquiry into domestic violence’ – which he announced yesterday at the Women’s Refuge Symposium on Violence Against Women and Children.

HEAR IT FOR YOURSELF /THINK FOR YOURSELVES – AND STOP BEING ‘SHEEPLE’ – PEOPLE!

(Meant of course in a caring, respectful way 🙂

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/audio-im-sorry-for-being-a-man-right-now—david-cunliffe-announces-60-million-funding-for-domestic-abuse-services/tabid/506/articleid/49220/default.aspx

AUDIO: “I’M SORRY FOR BEING A MAN RIGHT NOW” – DAVID CUNLIFFE ANNOUNCES $60 MILLION FUNDING FOR DOMESTIC ABUSE SERVICES

David Cunliffe has apologised for “being a man” at the launch of Labour’s domestic violence policy.

The party leader made the bold statement at a Women’s Refuge symposium, while pledging to invest an extra $60 million dollars in funding for domestic abuse services if elected.

Speaking to a room of mostly women he had this to say: I’m sorry for being a man right now, because family and sexual violence is perpetrated overwhelmingly by men against women and children.

So the first message to the men out there is: wake up, stand up, man up and stop this bulls***.”

Listen to the audio clip for more.
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The Leader of the National Party, John Key – wasn’t there, and hasn’t (yet) made the same commitment.

(I’ll be making this point to voters in the Helensville electorate.

It might help make National Party Leader ‘pull finger’? )

Sorry if you don’t like the FACTS folks – but there they are….

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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July 5, 2014 2:04pm
stigie

I apologize for not reading that link Penny !~

….in a caring way of coarse…
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July 5, 2014 2:05pm
stephieboy

The Denver International Airport ( DIA ) conspiracy is nothing really new and refers to a few things about it’s design notably the sculpture roofing facade and design similar in somecways to the Sydney Opera House, the large mutual paintings and the alleged undreground network of tunnels and structures.
These are all linked together to suggest some kind of nefarious and sinister NWO Conpiracy .The sculptured roofing design is even described as the Devil’s towers by the over cooked and half baked imaginations of Conspiracy Theorist…Anyone who does not like their brains shredded or over baked should read this link about this absolutely absurd nonsense.,

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/the_denver_international_airport_conspiracy/
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July 5, 2014 2:10pm
Judith

@ shawn

Because I make no distinction between any sort of violence, other than the need to use violence to fight off an attacker to save your own life. There is no moral violence. Hurting another person is never acceptable – not for a civilised person.

When you use violence as a means of correction, you give the idea that violence under some circumstances is acceptable. As each and everyone of us has different standards, how do you determine who is justified, and who isn’t.

I might consider someone kicking my dog to warrant the use of violence on them in return, you might argue that she is just a dog, and no person should be harmed for the sake of an animal, and so on.

If a parent is able to command respect and get their children to behave by the use of any method other than causing pain to that child, then perhaps they should rethink being parents in the first place.

Children do not have the ability to rationalise as adults do. Most, especially the really young are unable to distinguish between a parent smacking them, and them smacking another child.

Hitting a child in anger, only teaches them to respond to the own anger with similar behaviour. Parent’s should be teaching their children how to cope with anger in a way that prevents harm to both themselves and others.

The problem with the ability to cope with anger comes from the severe feelings of shame and guilt, as well as a lack of ability to recognise and express empathy for self and other people. Teaching violent and angry people to recognise their own internal values and their personal best standards, allows them to know their best qualities, and in doing so allows them to substitute kindness and compassion for violence and hostility. Showing others by example on how to change, allows them to do that, and that is what parents should be doing. Teaching their children how to get the best from life – how to be a loving worthwhile person, not a bully and a thug.

Most of us know how it felt to be hit. IT wasn’t necessarily the pain, but the shame and the guilt for what we had done, or been caught doing. Working on those feelings, and teaching a child to want better for themselves, to avoid repeating the act that caused the parent anger and save themselves that shame, works far better than smacking, and allows the child to learn how to be compassionate in return. Such a child will never be a bully.
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July 5, 2014 2:29pm
Redbaiter

“Women’s Refuge numbers near double”

Another milestone we can chalk down to the anti-family progressives.
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July 5, 2014 2:34pm
Johnboy

Anyway lets get on with the serious stuff…. Mighty Ories v Milkeys semi Catholics at the Polo Ground in 25min bb! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 2:36pm
kowtow

Cameron is a loon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10947773/Britain-drew-up-plans-to-build-100000-strong-Syrian-rebel-army.html
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July 5, 2014 2:42pm
kowtow

A follow up on the Dunedin missing cars.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/308322/complex-web-uncovered-1m-citifleet-investigation
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July 5, 2014 3:10pm
Johnboy

14 to 10 to milkeys mob! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 3:19pm
Johnboy

7 to 3 Wainui over Petone.
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July 5, 2014 3:21pm
Johnboy

Afternoon Minus! 🙂

Wainui 10 to 3 over Petone! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 3:24pm
Judith

@ Gulag1917 (577 comments) says:
July 5th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

I believe there are two reasons, that are related.

Firstly, our system does not provide the incentive to achieve, and in fact gives the impression that lack of achievement doesn’t matter, because the government is there to assist. As I have said, the government does this from conception (paid maternity leave) to death (subsidised funerals). So no matter how one performs, their basic need to stay alive is provided.

Secondly, we have the confusion over values. Media constantly bombard us with images of violence and corruption. We all know the laws, but we see the illusion of being able to live successfully beyond the law in the media. Children’s media heroes, use violence, whereas historically they were real live people that did wonderful things. There are no longer the positive examples for people to aspire to.

Couple that with the dumbing down of society, through the education system, as you point out, and you have a whole heap of people, who don’t have to apply themselves to survive, who are given negative images and examples via media etc, and who don’t receive the necessary skills via education, either from their home environments, nor the schooling system – each and everyone of them belonging to families where individualism is promoted, and looking after your ‘own’ is limited, (you don’t have to care for others, because the government will) – its a recipe for – well, for exactly what we have.
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July 5, 2014 3:33pm
Manolo

Mr Graeme Edgeler must be disappointed, but who would believe Silent T?
Labour leader David Cunliffe has effectively ruled out having Internet Mana around the cabinet table in a Labour-led government.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8870257/no-cabinet-for-internet-mana-cunliffe
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July 5, 2014 3:38pm
Griff

I see baity has patched up the Palin doll again
We should have a wraparound and buy the poor old sod a new one… hygiene standards, caring for the old, mad and infirm and all that
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July 5, 2014 3:39pm
Johnboy

They would have to buy a bigger table Manolo to accomodate them after places have been allocated for Winstons huge ego and the co-deputy Prime Ministers from the greenies! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 3:43pm
stigie

It has served him well Griff…a wraparound would’nt go a miss and most here would give a little im sure !~
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July 5, 2014 3:50pm
Yvette

His lawyer, Paul Wicks, QC, said Paki could succeed his father to the Maori throne only with a clean record.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11287977

But then he doesn’t have a clean record, does he? And we all know it, from one end of the nation to the other.
It’s that simple.
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July 5, 2014 3:53pm
Griff

“whipround”
British
: a collection of money made usually for a benevolent purpose

Smeging yankee spell checker.
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July 5, 2014 3:55pm
Reid

Reid, this is for you:

Cheers UT. It’s an interesting place, not that Stephie would know anything about it and it’s not worth discussing it with him. But between you and I, it touches on a lot of areas, doesn’t it. They really are bastards, aren’t they.
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July 5, 2014 4:00pm
Reid

And one for you UT: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/04/369796/most-lethal-weapon-in-us-hands/

And one for Shawn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbPwAMZ5eXQ
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July 5, 2014 4:19pm
publicwatchdog

Missed this Kiwibloggers?

On the VERY same day that PM John Key attacks Labour Leader David Cunliffe for being ‘insincere’ at the Women’s Refuge Symposium on 4 July 2014?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/248961/christchurch-rape-crisis-centre-closing

Christchurch rape crisis centre closing

Updated at 4:21 pm on 4 July 2014

Christchurch’s only rape crisis centre will close its doors today after being turned down for government funding.

The centre’s 24-hour phone service, SafeCare, needs $30,000 to keep running but it is ineligible for any of the $10 million announced in this year’s Budget for sexual violence services because it is insolvent.

Spokesperson Heather Smythe said SafeCare had been helping the women of Christchurch for more than 20 years and its services would be hard to duplicate.

“We’ve been running SafeCare for 20 years, and 20 years of experience and knowing the kind of volunteer we need, and the training we need to give them can’t be replicated in two minutes or five minutes or a week or a month.”

The closure of the service would hit its clients hard, Ms Smythe said.

Christchurch police have recorded a 40 percent rise in the number of sexual assaults since 2010.

Green Party MP Jan Logie said the Government should not have let SafeCare’s services go under.
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Yep!

That’s the sort of ‘sincere’ and practical help that those providing front-line services for victims of violent sexual crime against women are getting under this John Key led National Government.

In this case – NONE?

Penny Bright
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July 5, 2014 4:28pm
Mike

Isn’t Penny the lady that dodges her rates? If this is true (i think i remember reading it somewhere, my apologies if i am wrong), then maybe if you paid them, the gov would have some money to put towards the causes you support!
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July 5, 2014 4:30pm
Judith

@ Mike (396 comments) says:
July 5th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

So because Penny takes issue with her council and protests by not paying her rates, that justify’s John Key’s government ignoring the women of Christchurch to have a service that deals with sexual abuse and rape in their very stressed community?

I have to say, I see some flaws in your reasoning.
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July 5, 2014 4:35pm
Johnboy

Bugger me Petone 27 Wainui 25!!!! Shit 🙂
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July 5, 2014 4:38pm
Mike

I wasn’t making any comment on the Key governments policy. I was making a simple observation that there is hypocrisy in having a say in government spending while avoiding the contribution of your fair share. As for withholding rates as a form of protest, i contend that writing a letter to the relevant bodies, organizing protest and spreading awareness of the perceived injustice are far more effective (and sincere) forms of protest. Society doesn’t work if people simply decide that they aren’t going to be paying into the system anymore.

It is ironic that in the other thread, you are essentially calling Maggie a liar (and using her experience with sexual violence as a tool to attack her politically), yet here you are commenting that Key ignores sexual abuse issues.
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July 5, 2014 4:38pm
Johnboy

HOBM 32 Ories 17…..Bugger! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 4:40pm
stigie

Sit down and have a cleansing ale JB…All wont be lost !~
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July 5, 2014 4:43pm
big bruv

Johnboy

I will bloody set Penny on you unless you stop gloating about the Ories score.

BTW, seen the Wainui v Petone score?
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July 5, 2014 4:47pm
Johnboy

I’ve taken the top off of a bottle of Gordons and thrown it away stigie.

Don’t expect any coherent comment out of me after another hour or so.

(Not that my sober ones are that sensible of course). 🙂
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July 5, 2014 4:48pm
big bruv

Dunno about you Johnboy but if there is one team I hated losing to (after the hated Poneke of course) it was Petone

They were always such arrogant wankers. Mind you, I suppose they had to be arrogant about something given they lived in the shit hole that was, and remains Petone.
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July 5, 2014 5:02pm
Johnboy

My grandchildren play for Petone bb so I have to be diplomatic about todays minor setback! (sob)

I can’t be quite so laid back about those fucking pseudo Catholics winning though!!! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 5:06pm
big bruv

Console yourself with the fact that the real Catholics lost Johnboy.
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July 5, 2014 5:10pm
Johnboy

Hail Mary..full of grace….etc. bb! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 5:16pm
Johnboy

The worst part of it all bb will be if milkey pops up here to gloat. Shit I will hate that! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 5:23pm
hj

Half of all children killed by caregivers are Maori.
Seven times more young Maori women and four times more Maori children are hospitalised from an assault compared to Pakeha women and children.
49% of Maori women experienced partner abuse at some time in their life, compared with 24% of Pakeha and 23% of Pacifica women.
http://www.areyouok.org.nz/files/Updated_Stats_Final.pdf
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July 5, 2014 5:24pm
mikenmild

Enjoy those rugby scores, Johnboy?
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July 5, 2014 5:30pm
Ross12

I wonder whether the NZ Greens , Greenpeace , F&Bird etc. will be writing to the Obama about this ? Maybe they can organise a rent a crowd to demonstrate outside the White House.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/2/california-grants-wind-industry-permit-to-kills-ea/?page=1

Seriously, it will interesting to see what the environmentalists world wide will say. If they condemn it , I’d be on their side. But I’m not holding my breath.
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July 5, 2014 5:34pm
Johnboy

Difficult to believe how Wainui could snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory milky. Well done your chaps! 🙂
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July 5, 2014 5:37pm
mikenmild

You’re still second on the table, though. Semi-final a certainty.
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July 5, 2014 5:54pm
cha

Conniptions ahoy!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBkAAortU_g
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July 5, 2014 5:57pm
ShawnLH

“Because I make no distinction between any sort of violence, other than the need to use violence to fight off an attacker to save your own life. There is no moral violence. Hurting another person is never acceptable – not for a civilised person.”

But this is my point Judith, you just made a distinction by saying “other than the need to use violence to fight off an attacker to save your own life.”

So in fact, you do make distinctions, and recognize self-defense as a moral use of force.

You seem to be trying to have it both ways.
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July 5, 2014 6:17pm
Tauhei Notts

Johnboy at 4.48.
Obviously the Gordon’s has gone by now, but do you know if there is any truth in the lemon juice that is squeezed into your G & T is better if, when the lemons are in a green stage that people urinate on the tree. I had heard that the uric acid left around the tree in those amounts enhances the lemon juice.
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July 5, 2014 7:00pm
stigie

Not sure whether JB will be back to answer that good question there TN.

More than likely onto the second bottle of Gordons by now after the rough afternoon he had !~
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July 5, 2014 7:09pm
nasska

JB doesn’t muck around with sissy lemons Tauhei…..he drinks straight out of the bottle. 🙂
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July 5, 2014 7:19pm
goldnkiwi

Burt Munroe thought that lemon trees/lemons? benefitted from being ‘watered’.
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July 5, 2014 7:20pm
stigie

JB doesnt need to apologize for not using lemons Nasska !~
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July 5, 2014 7:25pm
nasska

There’s a NZ First MP who thinks that all trees he passes benefit from “watering” goldnkiwi. 🙂
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July 5, 2014 7:31pm
nasska

A dolphin has been photographed leaping out of the water 20 miles from the sea in the River Dee in North Wales.

Shortly followed by a Welsh retard shouting “Here wet Sheepy sheep”
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July 5, 2014 8:03pm
stigie

Not like JB to give up so early in the evening ?

That rugby game must have really got to him and so to the Gordons beverage perhaps !~
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July 5, 2014 8:29pm
big bruv

Why Heath Mills is out of touch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/10236649/NZCPA-chief-questions-Lou-Vincents-life-ban

Not only should that narcissist Vincent be banned for life he should also be locked up for a couple of years.
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July 5, 2014 8:38pm
Griff

Q Why do NZ racehorses run so fast?
A Cuz they have seen what gets done to the sheep

Q What is the biggest lie in New Zealand?
A I was just helping the sheep over the fence

Q What is the smallest organ in a sheep?
A A farmers penis

Q What do you call a kiwi farmer with a sheep under one arm, and a chicken under the other?
A Bi-sexual
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July 5, 2014 8:46pm
nasska

A farmer’s life is not always an easy one Griff. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i75fiqe8u8uuolu/comic14.jpg
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July 5, 2014 8:58pm
stigie

See that minus is still lurking about…thought he had gone away being school holidays !~
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July 5, 2014 9:26pm
Dean Papa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPPGqF3LqM
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July 5, 2014 10:54pm
Colville

Did I see Whineston Fucking Peters sitting ringside for the Parker fight tonight? Wanker

*yes I am envious*
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July 6, 2014 1:02am
Griff

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/05/islamic-state-leader-emerges-to-declare-himself-leader-of-caliphate-demand-obedience-from-muslims/

BAGHDAD — A man purporting to be the leader of the Sunni extremist group that has declared an Islamic state in territory it controls in Iraq and Syria has made what would be his first public appearance, delivering a sermon at a mosque in Iraq’s second-largest city, according to a video posted online Saturday.
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July 6, 2014 10:10am
Southern Raider

Arab teenager was murdered by his own family as an honour killing because he was gay. Had nothing to do with Israel.

Bit the MSM don’t change their headlines
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July 6, 2014 10:55am
simpleton1

The changing fortunes of war, a few hours later a claim by an Iraqi parliamentarian.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraqi-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-severely-injured-flees-syria-1455415?

Al-Baghdadi was seriously injured,” said Haidar al-Shara, a representative of the international parliament in Iraq.

……Vowing to conquer places across Asia and Europe………

“So take up arms, take up arms, O soldiers of the Islamic State! And fight, fight,” the self-appointed caliph of the Muslim world had said in a Ramadan message.

Unfortunately another one will take his place, so the killing will continue on.
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July 6, 2014 11:06am
Viking2

all this talk about men bashing women etc and then I read this;.

The daughter had thought her father had a “typical Catholic attitude towards sex and was quite prudish”, the judgment said.
the man’s behaviour became odd, and he started complaining to his daughter about his sexual relationship with his wife.

“He sat down and told me he was into bondage and discipline . . . he described his sessions with [the dominatrix] to me, being tied up and whipped,” the daughter said in evidence.

“That a man of age could become involved in totally unexpected sexual behaviour without being in any way impaired is beyond question,” the judge said. “It is however entirely different if it takes place accompanied by . . . changes of attitude and behaviour indicative of a generalised loss of judgment.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10233366/Family-brands-dominatrix-a-predator

oh dear he enjoyed being beaten as opposed to roll over leg over sex.
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July 6, 2014 11:19am
ShawnLH

Front Porch Republic. Place. Limits. Liberty.

One of the better Conservative webzines from the US. Genuinely contrarian and deep thinking, and without some of the nuttier Tea Party memes.

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com

“The economic crisis that emerged in late 2008 and the predictable responses it elicited from those in power has served to highlight the extent to which concepts such as human scale, the distribution of power, and our responsibility to the future have been eliminated from the public conversation. It also threatens to worsen the political and economic centralization and atomization that have accompanied the century-long unholy marriage between consumer capitalism and the modern bureaucratic state. We live in a world characterized by a flattened culture and increasingly meaningless freedoms. Little regard is paid to the necessity for those overlapping local and regional groups, communities, and associations that provide a matrix for human flourishing. We’re in a bad way, and the spokesmen and spokeswomen of both our Left and our Right are, for the most part, seriously misguided in their attempts to provide diagnoses, let alone solutions.

Though there is plenty we disagree about, and each contributor can be expected to stand by the words of only his or her own posts, the folks gathered here more or less agree with the above assertions. We come from different backgrounds, live in different places, and have divergent interests, but we’re convinced that scale, place, self-government, sustainability, limits, and variety are key terms with which any fruitful debate about our corporate future must contend. We invite you to read along, and perhaps join the discussion.”
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July 6, 2014 11:27am
simpleton1

The arab boys murder certainly raises a number of issues, as his younger brother had been a victim of an attempted kidnapping, a few hours earlier.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/04/analysis-there-had-been-previous-attempts-to-kidnap-members-of-abu-khdeirs-family-video/ A variety of written reports and the video has to be clicked on to start it.

An editor of a Hamas paper believes it is part of a Jewish “sacred rites” of vengeance.
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8061.htm
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July 6, 2014 11:32am
wikiriwhis business

.DOW 17,000: This is Your 1929 Moment .

In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV reports on a stock market high of DOW 17,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0b9UwBfsTM&feature=em-subs_digest
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July 6, 2014 3:13pm
Johnboy

Fuck that Gordon’s packs a punch…where the fuck am I?.. I never said that! 🙂
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July 6, 2014 3:20pm
Manolo

Silent T and socialist Labour promise to abolish the law of gravity too.
Labour will reduce class sizes by putting an extra 2000 teachers into classrooms, if it leads the next government.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8870437/labour-will-reduce-class-sizes
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