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big bruv

dime

“i didnt say that. Dirty Harry did.”

My apologies then.
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July 4, 2014 2:04pm
Don the Kiwi

“big bruv (12,904 comments) says:
July 4th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Kowtow

Did you see that another priest has been arrested for child sexual abuse?”

Yes, its great to see that this pervert has been caught. For too long a very few homosexual priests hid their crimes and caused the hundreds of thousandes of good faithful priests to be tarred with the “pervert” brush – as big bigot gleefully points out.

So thank you for your diligent attention and obsessive passtime bruv. We’ll keep you on as the poofter priest purveyor, because there are so few of them – you’d have no trouble finding the pervert schoolteachers, or pervert police because there’s so many of them. 🙂
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July 4, 2014 2:06pm
Don the Kiwi

dime.

A week or two back you were considering buying a new set of wheels. Have you decided yet?
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July 4, 2014 2:09pm
David Garrett

Sorry guys…I see I am a bit belated…not so breaking news…He’s still a farking idiot…
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July 4, 2014 2:09pm
big bruv

Don the denier

” We’ll keep you on as the heterosexual paedophile priest purveyor, because there are so few of them ”

Clearly somebody has to do it, the catholic church and its many apologists prefer to deny they exist . I also have to challenge you on your assertion that there are “so few of them”. The number of arrests and the even larger number of cover ups (many at the hands of the Vatican) prove your comment to be, at the least incorrect and at the worst a blatant lie.
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July 4, 2014 2:14pm
Jack5

Big Bruv (1.53) continues to shout racist or racism at any who question the non-conviction of the Maori King’s son.

Do you accuse Dover Samuels and Khylee Quince of being racist (see link in my 1.38 post)?

I note in your 1.53 post you have retreated to the position of claiming “rioting” students in Dunedin were “predominantly white”. So you are a racist, Big Bruv. You judge those before the courts by their race.

A typical, Leftist hypocrite.
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July 4, 2014 2:15pm
dime

Don – I keep coming back to the Audi A5. The 32. Quattro. I have a feeling its not the best “drivers car” out there but goddam it looks good!

I’ll also drive a bmw 335i coupe just in case. 3 ltr twin turbo. Sounds fun.

Flirted with a 370Z but havent had a chance to sit in one. Im about 4 foot wide in the shoulders.. i think the car will be too small. friends have also uttered the words “youll look like a homosexual” which doesnt help!
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July 4, 2014 2:16pm
big bruv

Jack5

I accuse Dover Samuels of being stupid. Luckily for me there is a mountain of evidence in support.

“I note in your 1.53 post you have retreated to the position of claiming “rioting” students in Dunedin were “predominantly white”. ”

It seems I must also include you in the same class as Dover. I have never claimed the rioters to be exclusively white. Mind you, the very fact that you went searching for this only proves my point in that you are not dealing well with having your naked racism pointed out.
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July 4, 2014 2:19pm
Ross12

Do the Greens have a competition in their office , each day to see who can send out the highest number of Press Releases for the day ???? They don’t seem to do much else.
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July 4, 2014 2:21pm
Jack5

Big bruv at 2.19:

I accuse Dover Samuels of being stupid.

You mean, Big Bruv, he disagrees with you. Silly Dover.

What is a Naked Racist? In your views, Big Bruv, is that anyone who doesn’t agree Maori are the master race? You throw the word “racism” around so much your views have to be very suspect.

Like the guys who go around suggesting people are gay.

Look in the mirror, you Leftist biggot!
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July 4, 2014 2:21pm
kowtow

No one denies it exists.

The point has been made time and time over by other posters .It exists ,but is not exclusive to Catholic priests.

It is only the bigots (bigot bruv et al) who seem to want to point the finger ,exclusively at the RC church. “balanced, fair and reasonable” indeed.

Perhaps that’s the point of the other post today.Entertainers, police officers,doctors, politicians,teachers,even parents and other family members have all been cited.But to bigot bruv it seems nothing to see here ,let’s obsess about those filthy left footers and their “sick religious beliefs”.
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July 4, 2014 2:22pm
big bruv

kowtow.

You really are an apologist for the filthy Catholic church. Nobody denies that paedophiles exist in other organisations. The issue is kowtow that no other organisation has gone to the lengths to deny their crimes or to hide the perpetrators of those crimes.

The Catholic church was well aware of what was going on, Joseph Ratzinger himself was fully briefed yet even he decided that a cover up was better than a full investigation.

I am not sure how you will cope kowtow when the full extent of this child abuse does come to light, perhaps then you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.
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July 4, 2014 2:29pm
wikiriwhis business

“you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

The relevance of the Pope is more the point.
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July 4, 2014 2:31pm
fernglas

Cunliffe apologises for being a man. Why? He can’t help it. If he was a violent wife-beater I could understand an apology, but do I take this to mean that he thinks all men should be sorry for being men? Is the Labour party perhaps going to announce a policy to prevent men, perhaps with posters and TV ads? I was a man but I personned up and got help? The only advantage in Cunliffe ceasing to be a man is that he couldn’t continue to be such a complete rod walloper.
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July 4, 2014 2:36pm
Griff

Dime
Go with Audi.
get the diesel.
it’ll pull better than a catholic priest after a day with the choir boys.
BMW’s say try hard.

😆
poor kowtow
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July 4, 2014 2:36pm
kowtow

“you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

Attack the church for it’s mistakes is fine for debate etc. Why extend that to an assault on someones’ personal belief in the existence of a deity?
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July 4, 2014 2:37pm
kowtow

“it’ll pull better than a catholic priest after a day with the choir boys.”

Is that necessary in a motoring discussion?

Bigot.
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July 4, 2014 2:38pm
big bruv

Dime

Considered a Merc?
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July 4, 2014 2:38pm
Scott Chris

Question a piss poor call by a completely out of touch judge, and out come the calls of racist

So saying “Check him out – he looks like a neanderthal” isn’t racist Dirty Harriet?

Retard.
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July 4, 2014 2:39pm
Don the Kiwi

“I am not sure how you will cope kowtow when the full extent of this child abuse does come to light, perhaps then you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

Take a grip big bigot.

Our Faith does not depend on the crimes – sins – of the very few that break their vows and live totally contrary to the way they are supposed to – they make their choice, and they will be dealt with accordingly – even if not in this life.
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July 4, 2014 2:40pm
mikenmild

‘they will be dealt with accordingly – even if not in this life.’
Do you think the expectation of divine retribution encouraged the church to go easy on offenders ‘in this life’?
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July 4, 2014 2:43pm
big bruv

“Do you think the expectation of divine retribution encouraged the church to go easy on offenders ‘in this life’?”

Clearly that is what Joseph Ratzinger had in mind.
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July 4, 2014 2:46pm
Griff

Its not the individual priest’s that is so offensive its the church covering up and so enabling the abuse to continue unchecked for decades.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/01/the-truth-is-that-child-abuse-in-australia-has-a-distinctively-catholic-character

The truth is that child abuse in Australia has a distinctively Catholic character

The royal commission into child abuse’s interim report has found Catholic institutions were the commonest sites for abuse. The church must urgently come to terms with the facts.
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July 4, 2014 2:47pm
Don the Kiwi

“Don – I keep coming back to the Audi A5. The 32. Quattro. I have a feeling its not the best “drivers car” out there but goddam it looks good!”

Agree. A wealthy supermarket owner in my neighbourhood has a white one – what a machine.

One of my son’s mates – a long haul airline pilot – recently bought the big V10 Audi SUV – what a grunter. 🙂
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July 4, 2014 2:48pm
kowtow

Bigot bruv says

“The issue is kowtow that no other organisation has gone to the lengths to deny their crimes or to hide the perpetrators of those crimes.”

Really? No other organisation?Like Westminster and the Met?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680060/Tebbit-piles-pressure-Brittan-VIP-abusers-Tory-grandee-joins-chorus-demanding-explanation-missing-dossier-detailing-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html

I know.It was ratzinger’s fault.
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July 4, 2014 2:49pm
Jack5

Surely “big bruv” isn’t the troll that Dad 4 Justice used to call “Big Blouse” and be always challenging to a fist fight?

If so, I regret feeding the unhinged fuckwit.
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July 4, 2014 2:50pm
Manolo

Silent T‘s words:
Speaking to a room of mostly women in Auckland today, Cunliffe spoke of the “bullshit, deep-seated sexism” still prevalent in New Zealand.

“It needs to stop,” he said .

“I don’t often say it – I’m sorry for being a man,” Cunliffe said, “because family and sexual violence is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men.”

I can almost see P.G. bowled over by this and voting Labour. 🙂
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July 4, 2014 2:54pm
big bruv

kowtow

Shocking that case might be one it demonstrates my point perfectly. Now that it is out in the open it will be fully investigated. Had it been the Catholic church all sorts of political levers would be pulled to keep is as quiet as possible.

However, seeing as I have awoken in you a new sense of outrage at the sexual abuse of the Catholic church then have a look at this and be totally outraged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
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July 4, 2014 2:56pm
kowtow

Nothing kept quiet.Figures presented to the UN.

Keep lying, bigot.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/vatican-figures-disciplined-priests-sex-abuse
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July 4, 2014 3:03pm
kowtow

Here’s another one the pope hid…….not.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/vatican-defrocked-ambassador-dominican-republic
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July 4, 2014 3:04pm
big bruv

Kowtow.

Did you know that at least 50% of the Waffen-SS were Catholic?.

And also, take a stab at the number of Wafen-SS who where excommunicated from the Catholic church at the end of the war?
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July 4, 2014 3:09pm
Pete George

Cheap shot Manolo, and catch up.

Cunliffe’s intent was fine but his lack of experience on the issue of violence shows, he made a major mistake expressing himself like that. As soon as I saw it I knew it would demolish what was a very important policy announcement.

I’m grateful and not sorry for being a man – but I’ll do whatever I can to reduce violence in our society.
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July 4, 2014 3:10pm
kowtow

By the same token one could as easily ask;

Did you know that at least 50 % of the Waffen SS were Lutheran?

And the point being?
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July 4, 2014 3:12pm
big bruv

kowtow

Do you really think that the Church has been honest with us over this?, given the church’s history of bare faced lies then only the most sycophantic of its slavish followers would believe that there are not hundreds more paedophilic priests out there.
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July 4, 2014 3:12pm
big bruv

kowtow

So you are avoiding the question?

OK, let me tell you the total number of Waffen-SS who were excommunicated from the Catholic church at the end of the war……..That number kowtow was one!

One individual out of the thousands who committed atrocities, out of the hundreds who sent Jews to the gas chamber.

Now kowtow, care to guess why that one individual was excommunicated from the Catholic church?
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July 4, 2014 3:16pm
Redbaiter

Guys, Big Bigot is a nutter. Like Narsekissa and Grief. All suffering from a very bad case of OCD.

You really cannot afford to waste time and bandy words with the obviously deranged.

Life is too short.
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July 4, 2014 3:18pm
kowtow

bigot bruv

“us”?

You are the one who is being dishonest with ‘us”. Posing as someone who cares about paedophilia when all you’re interested in is catholic bashing.Evidenced by your line…

“…. sick religious beliefs”

and ….Look there’s a nazi!
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July 4, 2014 3:19pm
kowtow

How many Lutherans were disciplined?
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July 4, 2014 3:20pm
Jack5

Big Blouse (3.09) runs aground on Godwin’s Law.

But he is ignorant here, as usual. The SS was anti-Christian. The authority on this dastardly organisation, Heinz Hohne, says it deliberately invoked neo-paganism, and for example, and banned church marriages. Despite this many members remained church members. Hohne cites figures saying that in one division two-thirds of members remained church members, but of these only 23.7 per cent were Catholics.

If there’s one thing worse than a troll, it’s an ignorant troll.
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July 4, 2014 3:21pm
big bruv

kowtow.

No idea?

Ok I will tell you. The only member of the Waffen-SS who was excommunicated from the Catholic Church was Dr Joseph Goebbels.

Now, you might well think that was a good thing, obviously he was excommunicated for his crimes against his fellow man, or the number of atrocities committed by him or on his direct orders, that alone must be worthy of excommunication.

But no, Goebbels was not excommunicated for his war crimes, Goebbels was excommunicated for the unpardonable sin of marrying a Protestant.

Only the most fervent apologist for the Catholic church could even consider defending an organisation like that.
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July 4, 2014 3:24pm
dime

Don – the A5 looks awesome in white eh! im talking the coupe of course.

Bruv – which Merc? they are all a bit ugly nowadays arent they?
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July 4, 2014 3:29pm
kowtow

http://joyfulpapist.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/excommunicating-the-nazis/
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July 4, 2014 3:29pm
Don the Kiwi

dime.

Yeah, the A5 coupe – looks grunty, but refined and classy.

Poor old bruv.
So bitter and enraged that, when talking about the Catholic Church and anything remotely religious, he can’t even quote something without totally distorting the facts, and so rendering whatever he says as irrelevant and pointless.

He gets himself so wound up, that he is like the Woozle Bird – who flies around in ever diminishing circles – till he disappears up his own fundamental orifice; Head-up Bruv. 🙂
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July 4, 2014 3:44pm
Jack5

Big Bruv:

As the afternoon wears on, and the time comes for you to take your pills and return into the secure ward, I would like to thank you for your demonstration into a disturbed mind. You have been most uninhibited.

Some other posters may support me in hoping that medical science soon makes a breakthrough that will return you to rationality, and I genuinely wish that you get into the early trial of such a remedy.
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July 4, 2014 3:50pm
big bruv

kowtow

Do you really expect anybody to believe that website?

The Vatican ordered that Hitler’s birthday was to be celebrated right up until the end of the war. Even after the conclusion of the way the same Vatican colluded with the Nazi’s and enabled them to escape via the “rat lines”.

I know that you Catholics are keen to reinvent history but thankfully there are enough people out here who will never allow them to get away with it.
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July 4, 2014 3:51pm
big bruv

Jack5

Let’s do a deal then. If you stop telling lies about the Catholic Church I will stop telling the truth about the Catholic church.
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July 4, 2014 3:53pm
Jack5

Big Bruv:

For fuck’s sake just swallow your pills!
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July 4, 2014 3:55pm
Don the Kiwi

‘I know that you Catholics are keen to reinvent history but thankfully there are enough people out here who will never allow them to get away with it.’

Bwahaahahhahaahahaha 😆 😆

Go take your meds bruv, and we’ll see you much happier.

As a word of advice, keep off religious topics – you’re so bigotted that it makes you Big Dick – even if you are a bruv.

Stick to the other mundane things – like politics and so on – you actually make some sense there, and I even sometimes agree with you. (Oops – shouldn’t have said that – it may drive bruv away from Kiwiblog completely, having me agree with him)
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July 4, 2014 3:59pm
Gulag1917

World War 4
Atheists [most are really agnostics] v Christianity
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July 4, 2014 4:00pm
Tauhei Notts

I’ve just read a review of the new book about Hillary Clinton.
It says “she has the heart of road kill on hot sunny day; warm, soft and overpowering.
The book is difficult to pick up and easy to put down.”
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July 4, 2014 4:02pm
Griff

Gulag1917 (566 comments) says:
Don’t project your stupid delusions on the faithless.
Many of us are atheists who consider your collective god delusions an artifact of a superstitious ignorant stone age past.
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July 4, 2014 4:08pm
thedavincimode

David Cunliffe has just apologized for being a man at a symposium for Womens’ Refuges…

A pity that his apology was based upon a false premise.
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July 4, 2014 4:13pm
Gulag1917

Griff
Not projecting any delusions, you seem to be reading something into something which is not there. Why the nervousness and sensitivity when anything like the word believe is used.
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July 4, 2014 4:15pm
All_on_Red

Griff’s religion is global warming. Where’s our 6 degrees of warming griff. It’s bloody cold.
Must be that cold wind coming up from Antarctica due to all that extra ice!
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July 4, 2014 4:16pm
Griff

Gulag1917 (567 comments) says:
July 4th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

World War 4
Atheists [most are really agnostics] v Christianity

Post tripe like this and wonder why atheists are insulted ?
idiot with a metal problem
There is hope for a pharmaceutical cure for the god delusion some time in the future meantime education is the the most effective method of riding your mental sickness from society.
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July 4, 2014 4:22pm
Gulag1917

Psychiatric care for those who are not atheists eh. Real tolerant and reasonable.
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July 4, 2014 4:25pm
Griff

All_on_Red (1,269 comments) says:
July 4th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
Still making up straw men I see all in red.
Where did you get 6 c warming from….. your arse ?
Wingnuts are good at that seeing as they spend most of their time with their heads up there.
My problem is a faith in science yours is a faith in oil industry shrills and wing nut blogs .
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July 4, 2014 4:27pm
Zapper

The majority of the top chefs in the world are men. I don’t say it often* – everyone get down on your knees and thank me.

*Cunliffe doesn’t say sorry for being a man “often”. How many times has he made this lame apology?
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July 4, 2014 4:29pm
Griff

Gulag1917 (568 comments) says:
who said care? I said a pharmaceutical cure
You know a pill for your madness a little like Prozac to make the scary fear of mortality go away.
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July 4, 2014 4:29pm
All_on_Red

Indeed your problem is that you do have a “faith” in science . That’s why it’s your religion. Science is not faith based. It’s based on fact.
” idiot with a metal problem”.And you call Gulag an idiot and needing education. Lol.
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July 4, 2014 4:34pm
Gulag1917

Relax Griff
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July 4, 2014 4:34pm
All_on_Red

Hey Gulag, griff thinks you might need one of these.
http://www.aucklandscrapmetal.co.nz
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July 4, 2014 4:37pm
kowtow

Welcome to our brave new progressive world.

Two men have a baby via a ‘gestational carrier”.Fark how Orwellian is that?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2679534/Love-no-sexual-preference-The-tearful-moment-two-dads-meet-newborn-son-time.html#comments
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July 4, 2014 5:07pm
Griff

All in red

As already pointed out to another idiot wingnut repeating the latest from some denial blog today the sea ice extent is nowhere near historic levels.Sea ice around Antarctica declined by 25% between 1930 and the seventies. As this fact was published in the nineties one wonders where you get your nonsense from?
By the way there is absolutely no sea ice on Antarctica, its a continent which is losing land ice ( the stuff that causes sea levels to rise) at a rapidly increasing rate.
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July 4, 2014 5:23pm
stigie

Silent T saying he is sorry to the Women’s Refuge for being a man. What a complete tosser this man is !`

Would he do the same down at his local rugby club rooms ? I think not.

And to think this man wants to run the country….God fucking help us !!
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July 4, 2014 5:32pm
Jack5

On re-reading Big Blouse’s manic posts I note, and can mention since he early in the thread invoked Goodwin:

Did you know that at least 50% of the Waffen-SS were Catholic

Big Blouse, can you please give the source for this claim?
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July 4, 2014 5:40pm
hj

Not a good look for His Majesty with or without conviction.
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July 4, 2014 5:49pm
All_on_Red

Doh, the sea ice is around Antarctica. No one said it’s ON Antarctica. Sheesh what a moron. Cryosphere reports 2,112 million km2 more sea ice around Antarctica than normal.Thats an area bigger than Greenland. This is measured from 1979.
Since we are warming from the Little Ice Age your historic levels comment is pretty stupid.
Good night Griff- keep the faith.
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July 4, 2014 5:58pm
Fletch

The Jimmy Saville abuse case much worse than police supposed. Now they have uncovered a secret wall in a room above a record shop with lists of conquests. Includes names of other BBC personnel and celebrities. Looks like they were trying to one-up one another.

Stunned officers chipped away plaster at a record shop wall and unveiled a hidden list of names thought to belong to young victims of Jimmy Savile.

The vile register, which contained the names, ages and a disgusting ratings system seemingly used to mark their sexual performance, was scrawled on a secret wall buried behind layers of wallpaper and plaster.

A source revealed: “The wall looked like something straight out of a horror movie. There were lists and lists of names of the victims – it’s a shocking discovery.”

The list of girls and young women is thought to identify hundreds of potential new victims abused at the hands of the BBC DJ and it raised fears Savile was at the centre of a celebrity paedophile ring.

Police believe the major breakthrough could lead to further arrests – including other well-known celebrities.

The wall also appeared to contain the names of girls the sick group hoped to target in the future.

Officers who raided the shop in Greater Manchester after a tip-off will now try to trace the alleged victims.

A source said the raid had provided the clearest evidence yet to show Savile was part of a larger group of monsters.

The source said: “Savile appeared to be using the room above the record store as some kind of secret HQ to plan his vile acts.

“There appears to be some suggestion that he was not acting alone either.

“There were others who appear to be involved, several others, some of whom are household names.”

As the specialist officers ripped away the layers from the wall, the names of up to 200 new people they believe he and accomplices attacked or planned to
attack during the 1980s and 1990s were gradually revealed.

At least one other well-known BBC figure and several celebrities are now being linked to the probe. Suspects face being quizzed in the coming weeks.

The source added: “Police think there might be hundreds of new female victims that needed to be spoken to as a result of the record shop raid.

Earlier this year it was suggested there were around 450 victims of Savile’s depraved actions.

“This looks like an under-estimation. If the evidence on the wall is anything to go by, we could be talking in the region of 650 victims in all. It’s shocking.”

Criminologist Professor David Wilson from Birmingham City University said the register was a way for the predators to boast about their conquests.

He said: “In the age before the internet made it possible for paedophiles to communicate with each other and write about who they could abuse and the form that abuse may take, they found other methods.

Paedophiles are constantly evolving ways of communicating.

“By putting it on a wall they are making it public, but by hiding it, it is private. The public nature is because they are proud of it. It is a boasting system.

It is a form of saying ‘this is what I’ve done. I’ve done more than you.’

It’s about them displaying their own sexual success in being able to abuse these children.

“They also recognise this could lead to arrest, so they had to be careful about their sexual preferences.

“At the time this was said to have taken place paedophiles used contact magazines and groups of associates to get in touch with each other.

MORE –
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/jimmy-savile-celeb-arrests-could-2097740
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July 4, 2014 6:10pm
Griff

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060111/abstract
https://data.aad.gov.au/analysis/crc/eceawiki/files/delamare1997.pdf
http://www.pages.unibe.ch/download/docs/newsletter/2013-1/PAGESnews_2013_1-30-31-Gersonde-De-Vernal.pdf
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/history-of-arctic-and-antarctic-sea-ice-part-1/

Abrupt mid-twentieth-century decline in Antarctic sea-ice extent from whaling records

Stupid is you and your repeated straw man arguments and faith in unqualified wing nuts when it comes to science all in red.
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July 4, 2014 6:14pm
Jack5

Muslims are working German prisons recruiting for their religion, reports Der Spiegel

This has been going on in NZ prisons some time, without note being taken by the MSM.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/islamists-seek-support-in-german-prisons-a-978720.html
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July 4, 2014 8:35pm
Yvette

19-year-old Korotangi Paki’s lawyer argued that a conviction could hinder his ability to take over the throne.

From his Facebook page –
But seig hail
All these chingy eyed c nts

Should this illiterate Maori moron ever be King?
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July 4, 2014 8:38pm
Nukuleka

Bit late in the day to be posting this but surely NZ’s most beloved grandmother Maggie Barry must realise that by not reporting Rolf Harris to the police for assault when he laid his hand on her thigh during an interview back in the 80s she may inadvertently have enabled him to continue the sexual offending that has resulted in his criminal convictions. Such an incident was either assault or not- and there is little value in her now coming out and making this complaint 30 years after it occurred when she was not prepared to do anything about it at the time.

I love you Maggie and wish you well in your political career but I think you were and are a bloody fool when it comes to this issue. You were part of the problem and not the solution.
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July 4, 2014 10:57pm

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