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UglyTruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pZKHqL9lcXI
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July 31, 2014 8:00am
hj

Professor Richard Bedford Professor of ~~Migration Studies~~ Migration Advocacy at Auckland University of Technology and a member of the panel that wrote the report, Our Futures/Te Pae Tawhiti: the 2013 Census and New Zealand’s Changing Population.

NZ is “very lucky” and “very fortunate” that we can attract migrants “we like migrants”.

What about [Holy Moniker] tangatawhenua? Unlike the straight shooter at Waitangi who observed that the European rat has devoured the Maori rat, the learned professor thinks tangatawhenua “will engage with diversity”.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/20142313/richard-bedford-future-new-zealand
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July 31, 2014 8:01am
Keeping Stock

The High Court dealt Kim Dotcom a big blow yesterday, and how does he respond? With another abusive rant on Twitter in which he effectively calls a High Court Judge an “idiot”, and more wild conspiracy theories.

The net is closing around Herr Dotcom, and the chickens are coming home to roost. The sooner he is transported to the US, the better…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/show-us-money-kim.html
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July 31, 2014 8:09am
artemisia

There is lively discussion – well over 600 posts – on the proposed rental property warrant of fitness scheme on the Propertytalk site here:

http://www.propertytalk.com/forum/showthread.php?33233-Property-WOF

Mike Butler has produced a comprehensive paper on the proposed rental warrant of fitness. As reported at the below link:

“A housing warrant of fitness has been promoted as a way of preventing sickness among children in poverty. The attached report shows that such a regime would have little impact on health outcomes but would come at a considerable cost, driving up rents and forcing some property owners to sell. By increasing rents and reducing the availability of rental housing, this misguided policy would hurt the very families that the advocacy groups purport to want to help. I am a professional property investor and manager, have been working in the industry for 25 years, and have 17 years’ experience with building warrant of fitness compliance regimes.

The owners of the 411,000 rental properties in New Zealand have not been consulted in any meaningful way on this proposal to introduce a warrant of fitness on rental housing. If they had been consulted, they could have pointed out why this proposal is doomed to fail.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1407/S00445/housing-warrant-of-fitness-little-help-for-sick-children.htm

Mr Butler’s paper is linked from the Scoop article, and is also available here:

http://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/NZCPR-Housing-Warrant-of-Fitness-Report.pdf

The report is comprehensive and well worth a read. One should note, however, that at least one supporter of the proposed scheme thinks Mr Butler has completely misunderstood the research. Judge for yourself.
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July 31, 2014 8:11am
Yoza

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Another attack on a UN school, Israel’s campaign of terror continues.
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July 31, 2014 8:13am
wreck1080

dotcom phone home , go home!
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July 31, 2014 8:13am
Other_Andy

Global warming or global cooling?

In 1977, Governor Brown warned that California was facing an unprecedented drought, blamed at the time on global cooling. This year, Governor Brown warned that California faces an unprecedented drought caused by global warming

In 1977, experts said that freak lightning and fires in California were caused by global cooling. Climate Expert Trenberth says that freak lightning and fires in California happening this year are caused by global warming

In 1977, Jet Stream dips were blamed on global cooling. They made Alaska warm and Florida cold. This year, Jet Stream dips are blamed on global warming. They still make Alaska warm and Florida cold.

We now know Global Warming ™ causes everything.
We know this because we are a lot smarter now than we were in 1977.
That why we now call it *NEW* *IMPROVED* Climate change.
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July 31, 2014 8:15am
fernglas

The Dotcom judgment from yesterday is an interesting read. Highlights include him opposing the orders sought (to disclose his assets) on the grounds that the restraining orders currently in force cover all his New Zealand assets. If that is so, one wonders how he could contribute funds to the Internet/Mana party coffers. The returns filed show that he has paid those funds personally. The payments must have come from him to the party in New Zealand, so they must, on his own counsel’s submission, be retrained funds. On top of that, the Court has found that there is a good arguable case on the copyright infringement litigation, based largely on the contents of the summary of the criminal case.
If those two propositions are correct, first that payments of restrained money have been made to the IM party and second, that there is a good arguable criminal case disclosed in the summary, then the IM party is at the very least treading in morally and possibly legally questionable waters.
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July 31, 2014 8:16am
OneTrack

In other news, yesterday Hamas moved a rocket launcher into a new location which may or may not be a un school. While setting up, Achmed said “What could go wrong”
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July 31, 2014 8:20am
kowtow

Broke Britain to increase “aid” to Gaza.

“Thank you infidel,more money for tunnels, rockets and bullets.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/493708/Britain-pledges-extra-3m-for-Gaza-UN-school-attacked-by-Israeli-shells

Let the Qataris,Turks and Saudis fund them,the west has enough problems of its own.
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July 31, 2014 8:21am
Elaycee

Grabbed a coffee and checked out the online news this morning…

According to Stuff, the ‘big’ news wasn’t about the ongoing terrorist attacks on Israel; wasn’t about the valedictories in Parliament yesterday; wasn’t about the Crewe report or even the moron with a gun being chased by Police in the BOP. Not even the Commonwealth Games.

Nah…. the lead story on Stuff was all about… the colour of meerkat poop at some Zoo in Hamilton.

If ever some bean counter wonders why ‘support’ for traditional media outlets is in freefall, look no further.

We really deserve better.
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July 31, 2014 8:23am
ShawnLH

Islam’s War Against the Jews: Quotes from the Palestinian Authority

“Palestinian TV, radio, newspapers and textbooks — in teaching the Islamic attitude toward Jews — have fueled an intense hatred for Israel and promoted violent jihad.”

http://www.aish.com/jw/me/48883732.html
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July 31, 2014 8:23am
Griff

1977 😆
have to go that far back do we ?
its 2014 wingnut
You seem to be getting a little obsessed with digging up news paper stories from the distant past other andy
going back to your childhood?
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/6
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June 2014 was the highest on record for the month, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.5°C (59.9°F).

As to the name
IPCC established 1988 guess what the cc stands for?
climate change
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July 31, 2014 8:24am
mandk

@ Yoza,

Admit it. Peace will come when Hamas lays down its arms and renounces its policy of obliterating Israel.

Look to what’s happening in Iraq right now, if you want to see what will happen if Israel were to stop fighting. We would be counting the number of dead innocents, not in tens, not in hundreds, not in thousands, but in millions.
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July 31, 2014 8:24am
Other_Andy

@Yoza

Direct your Protests towards Hamas.
Tell your buddies to:

Change their Charter that calls for the destruction of Israel.
Stop celebrating whenever a Jew gets killed.
Not turn a blind eye when rockets and weapons are stored and fired in their house.
Not to strap explosives on animals trying to blow up Jews.
Not to turn a blind eye when rockets and weapons are stored in the mosque.
Not to strap explosives on mentally handicapped trying to blow up Jews.
Not to turn a blind eye when rockets and weapons are stored in UN schools.
Not to use hospitals as command bunkers?
Not to turn a blind eye when tunnels are dug under their houses with the aim to kill and kidnap Israeli citizens?
Not to dress up their children as suicide bombers in parades.
Not to use women and children as human shields.

An above all, stop firing rockets into Israel.
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July 31, 2014 8:25am
Harriet

Yoza#

Israel disproportionately kills civilians:

The proportionality rule of war has nothing to say about this. Disproportionate civilian deaths have been a fact of war since war began, largely through famine and disease, but murder and massacre too. Modern war has increased risks to civilians due to heavier firepower and increased urbanization. Civilian deaths have exceeded military deaths in many modern conflicts, including World War II, but this in itself is not a violation of the laws of war. The legal question is whether the deaths were caused intentionally or recklessly, not the proportion of civilian deaths to military losses. Thus by correct measure, the legal question in the Gaza conflict is which side has intentionally or recklessly caused the most civilian deaths. The answer to this question is Hamas 6; Israel none.

Palestinians who voluntarily put themselves in harm’s way are not human shields:

This is technically correct. But this is because the laws of war never anticipated the depraved conduct of the Palestinian Arabs of Gaza. Human shields as envisioned by the laws of war are civilians who are coerced by a military force to protect soldiers or a military target. German soldiers in World War I who forced Belgian civilians to march ahead of them committed a war crime.

There have been instances of Hamas doing these things, but also apparent instances where civilians rushed to a target to protect it from Israeli fire. In the latter instance these civilians were not technically human shields. Instead, they became legitimate military targets, and also war criminals. The laws of war require combatants to wear uniforms or identifying badges or marks. A civilian who takes a military position without properly identifying himself is both a legitimate target and a violator of the laws of war. But he is not, technically, a human shield.

Precision military strikes are required when engaging any target in an urban area:

…… claimed (without attribution or detail) that Israel attacked a hospital because Hamas place a rocket launcher 100 yards away, and that this attack was illegal because Israel had to use a “precise” munition in such an instance. Of course we don’t know what munition was used, or even if the attack actually took place, but for the sake of argument, let’s assume Israel attacked a Hamas Grad rocket launcher emplaced 100 yards from a hospital with a standard unguided 155mm artillery round. There would be absolutely nothing illegal about such an attack under the laws of war. If the round did not precisely hit the Grad launcher, or shrapnel from the explosion hit the hospital, the legal liability is on Hamas.

Precision munitions are relatively new to war, limited in military inventories and very expensive. There is no legal duty to use them exclusively in particular instances. As a practical matter though, it is indisputable that Israel disproportionately uses precision munitions, also munitions with reduced explosive force, and engages in a historically to civilians who may be in a targeted area.

“….disproportionately uses precision munitions, also munitions with reduced explosive force….”

Did ya get that Yoza? 😎
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July 31, 2014 8:27am
hj

A third of the permanent snow and ice on the Southern Alps has vanished in less than four decades, according to an analysis of aerial surveys.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11301095
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July 31, 2014 8:29am
Judith

@ Griff (6,805 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 8:24 am

“In history, a great volume is unrolled for our instruction, drawing the materials of future wisdom from the past errors and infirmities of mankind.”
Edmund Burke

“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
George Santayana
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July 31, 2014 8:29am
Bob

I have just been reading Chris Trotter’s Daily Blog. I remember a few years ago he was a staunch Labour supporter. Now he seems to be as critical of them as everyone else. He has written them off.

On his blog page he gives the results of a political poll conducted by the meat workers union among it’s members. Of 3000 members polled Greens polled 27%, Labour 23% int. Mana 21% and National 19%. It is amazing a group of unionists would vote higher for the Greens than for Labour. That National is low is not surprising yet it is still a comparably high vote for the supposed enemy.

For this election at least I think the political climate is topsy turvy.
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July 31, 2014 8:29am
hj

The provocation of Israel doesn’t make sense. My sense is that most people (Yaza aside) see through it. I’m wondering if Hamas is trying to get justification for an all-out attack by Isis?
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July 31, 2014 8:34am
Keeping Stock

@ Bob – lots of Waitakere Men work at the freezing works. In days gone by, a poll there would have shown 90% support for Labour, 5% for the Communist Party and the remaining 5% distributed among the rest. How far Labour has fallen.
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July 31, 2014 8:35am
ShawnLH

Implacable Muslim Hatred of Jews

“Sam Solomon and the late Elias Al-Maqdisi have produced in Al-Yahud an indictment of the implacable Islamic hatred towards Jews and Christians. The authors present the exegesis of primal hatred at the core of the Quranic Canon, but they do something more. They make the connection between the doctrinal hatred of Jews and denial of ancient Biblical claims to the Holy Land of Jews and Christians. They use this Islamic doctrinal hatred of Jews to illustrate why a lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians will never occur. The author’s message is that such agreements pursued by an Obama Administration and members of the so-called Quartet are a folly. For they have failed to understand this hate-filled doctrine.”

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Jerry_Gordon/Implacable_Muslim_Hatred_of_Jews/
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July 31, 2014 8:35am
hj

People who justify Hamas firing rockets when the result is predictable justify it by saying that it is part of the bigger picture. That was the rationale of Wayne Brittendon’s tag partner (Radio Left wing). If that is true they still need to justify the rationale for the latest rocket firing as a next move given the predictability of the response?
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July 31, 2014 8:38am
Pete George

Kelvin Davis ‏@NgatiBird

Of course I’m going out to win it, as I’ve told you a dozen times already. No one has approached me to do any shonky deal.
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July 31, 2014 8:42am
hj

Aerial Survey disproves global warming
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11301095
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July 31, 2014 8:44am
Griff

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/09/us-europe-power-prices-idUSBREA080S120140109
(Reuters) – North Europe’s devastating storms sent wind turbines spinning and helped strengthen a new winter phenomenon for the region – negative electricity prices.

Damaging for utilities losing money making electricity, delighting traders who cash in on price swings, they will not, however, mean cheap power for households.

A raft of elements to subsidize the green energy boom make up half of most consumer power bills, shielding them from immediate wholesale market price swings.

Over the Christmas holiday, which typically causes a drop in energy demand, wholesale electricity prices in Germany, the Nordic region, the Czech Republic and Slovakia turned negative on excessive renewable energy production and mild weather.

Wind and rain bring out the best in renewable energy from turbines and hydro power, a major source of Nordic electricity. Calm weather hampers green energy output.

Meteorologists say mild and wet weather could continue until March.

When renewable energy output is higher than necessary, as in stormy weather, producers face negative market prices because electricity cannot be stored in high volumes.

“I think negative prices will become more common with more wind farms being built. With more wind farms the chances of having supply outstripping demand are higher and this is the cause of the negative prices,” said one European power trader.
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July 31, 2014 8:44am
Keeping Stock

@ Pete George – Kelvin Davis would be the last person (apart from you or I) to be told about any “shonky deal”. That’s the way the Labour Party rolls.
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July 31, 2014 8:46am
flipper

I am not a booster for ACT but I support truth in politics, and especially in journalism (though there is precious little in the MSM, circa 2014).

Last evening ACT’s Jamie Whyte gave a speech in New Plymouth.
I will acknowledge that the “griff” is expert in something (not sure what it might be), if someone can point to MSM coverage of his speech….. that is to say, his actual words, and not those of a dickhead media hack.

This is an extract, (if you want the full version go to ACT/Jamie Whyte… :

*** ” …
Yesterday I published the speech that I gave to the ACT Party Waikato Conference on Saturday. It concerned a fundamental principle of Western civilisation.

I said that all citizens should be equal before the law.
I realise that in some countries, such as Afghanistan, that might be a controversial idea. Many people in Afghanistan reject the idea that women should have equal rights.
And at earlier times in history the idea was rejected across the Western world. Up to the mid-20th century, laws that privileged men, whites and gentiles were common.
But in New Zealand today, you might expect the principle of equality before the law to be uncontroversial. You might expect that a declaration of commitment to it would be greeted with quiet equanimity, perhaps even a yawn.
Not so. My declaration has triggered vitriolic hostility.

Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia has accused me of “harking back to the same old racism that people before him thought would win them votes”.
She says my comments are “straight racism”.
“He thinks it’s attractive to New Zealanders, but New Zealanders actually know we have to work together,”
“It’s old politics, it has no place in New Zealand.”

Here is a woman who leads a party with an explicitly race-based agenda, who represents an electorate in which only people of one race are permitted to vote, and she accuses me of being racist. And what racist thing did I do? I suggested that the law should pay no heed to race!

But it is not just political beneficiaries of New Zealand’s race-based laws who display contempt for the principle of equality.
Since publishing my speech I have been exposed to hitherto unimagined absurdity from journalists – unimagined by me, at least. A reporter from Radio NZ asked me if I realised how “offensive” my commitment to equality before the law is.
Offensive?

Equality before the law is a fundamental principle of liberal democracy. Since when is it offensive to defend such principles?
Other journalists have accused me of “playing the race card”.
Suppose you meet two politicians. One says the law should not differentiate between people on the basis of race. The other one says it should. Which politician is playing the race card?

This issue has been turned on its head in New Zealand. Those who want the state to be racially impartial are accused of racism by politicians who openly promote race-based favouritism. And journalists endorse this intellectual perversion.
The most notable thing about the reactions to my speech is that no one has even tried to explain where my argument goes wrong. They ignore the content altogether – except when they are misrepresenting it – and instead bandy about accusations of racism, “dog whistling”, old-fashioned politics and all the rest.
It is pathetic. ….. ”
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July 31, 2014 8:47am
Keeping Stock

@ Fernglas – wouldn’t it be a hoot to see the Internet Party and the Mana Party in the dock as accessories to money laundering 😀

Interestingly, conspiracy to commit money laundering is one of the charges against Dotcom and his co-accused in the US, so he is alleged to have form…
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July 31, 2014 8:52am
EAD

An excellent short summary published today by Robert Bonomo on the 7 pillars of the matrix that controls our lives:

http://www.thecactusland.com/2014/07/the-seven-pillars-of-matrix.html

This is one of the best summaries on the matrix I’ve ever read, in particular the sections on government & money

On Government:
“The history classes never point the finger at the governments themselves as the propagators and instigators of war, genocide, starvation, and corruption. Hollywood’s version of history, the one most people absorb, always portrays “good” governments against “bad” ones. We have yet to see a film where all the people on both sides simply disengage from their governments and ignore the calls to violence”

On Money:
“Money is their most brilliant accomplishment. Billions of people spend most of their waking lives either acquiring it or spending it without ever understanding what it actually is………They have convinced the slaves that money actually has some intrinsic value, since at some point in the past it actually did. Once they were finally able to disconnect money completely from anything other than their computers, they finally took complete control, locked the last gate, and electrified all the fences…………What they rarely ask themselves is why they must work to make money while banks can simply create it with a few keystrokes. If they printed out notes on their HP’s and loaned them with interest to their neighbors, they would wind up in a penitentiary, but not our friends on Wall Street — they do just that and wind up pulling the strings in the White House. The genius of the money scam is how obvious it is. When people are told that banks create money out of nothing and are paid interest for it, the good folks are left incredulous — “It can’t be that simple!” And therein lies the rub because no one wants to believe that they have been so easily enslaved”

Shawn – you would do well to take 5 minutes out of your day and read this summary. Next time we have a debate online then perhaps you can come from an angle that has looked at the issues that plague us from another viewpoint.

EAD
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July 31, 2014 8:52am
Brian Smaller

In WWII my mother’s tiny home village in Italy was liberated by the Canadians. Over twenty villagers including members of my family were killed by Canadian shell fire. Did the people blame the Canadians? Not on your life. They blamed the Germans who had set up positions in and around the village. Same thing in Gaza. The fault of civilian casualties is primarily that of the Jihadists.
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July 31, 2014 8:57am
Other_Andy

@Flipper

These word have two mutually contradictory meanings.
Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts.
Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this.
But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary.
This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

Racism – Now includes ideologies and depends on the perpetrators ethnicity, religion and culture.
Feminism – Free choice is now replaced by Conformity.
Freedom of speech – Only applies when not critical of current (cause celebre) policies but does not apply to Whites, Males, Christians and heterosexuals.
Right wing fascist – Anybody who is against intrusive state interference believes in free speech, personal freedom and is not a left wing extremist.
Capitalist – Anybody who objects to being treated as a slave by the state which confiscates more than half of everything he earns so politicians can buy votes.
Environmentalist – Anti-human, anti-western, anti-progress.
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July 31, 2014 8:59am
Griff

Utilities wake up to threat of mass grid defection
By Giles Parkinson on 23 June 2014
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/utilities-wake-threat-mass-grid-defection-29631

As Australia’s major retailers and generators push back against the renewable energy target, and the carbon price is also unwound, some are also recognising that their business models will be quickly redundant unless they make some rapid changes.

Utilities admit the new technologies, particularly solar and storage, and the resulting “democratisation of energy” is changing the game. Not only can households and business generate their own energy on-site, they will soon have the ability to defect from the grid en masse. And save money.

“Two years ago “grid defection” had to be explained as a concept,” says UBS utilities analyst David Leitch. “Now every electricity business and player from generators, retailers, networks and regulators are adapting to a world where demand falls, customers can be competitors, network owners are generators and the only constant is change.”

Leitch says that for large players, this means one of two decisions – whether to resist …. or work out how to profit from the change.

At the conclusion of utilities conference held in Sydney by UBS last week, which heard from most of the major Australian and New Zealand listed utilities, Leitch suggested that Origin Energy appears to have decided to resist.

Energy Australia, once the loudest opponent of change, appears to have evolved with new management, is now starting to evolve. As is, Leitch suggests, Victorian network operator SP Ausnet. (it could be argued that other networks are further down the track, but many of these are not listed).

The new battlegrounds are the abolition of the carbon price and the proposal to remove or reduce the renewables energy target. But Leitch says victory in either will be short lived.

“Solar and renewables are the good guys and we are pretty sure they will be the winners in the long run,” Leitch concludes.

One of the highlights of the conference was a presentation by Adrian Merrick, the head of retail for Energy Australia, and the man charged with holding the business together in the face of the biggest change in technology in a more than a century.

Merrick introduced this fascinating graph (below), “Industry at inflection point. Reinvention is key”. Nothing better illustrates the position the utilities find themselves in.

energyaustralia gridThe key message is that usage is falling, solar parity has been reached, storage is coming and micro-grids are on their way – bypassing- or at least challenging – traditional network businesses.
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July 31, 2014 9:02am
Judith

@ Other_Andy (2,301 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 8:59 am

Well said.
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July 31, 2014 9:03am
flipper

Other_Andy (2,301 comments) says:

July 31st, 2014 at 8:59 am

@Flipper
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Like your definitions. They sum 2014 perfectly. 🙂
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July 31, 2014 9:05am
mikenmild

So Whyte talks of ‘politicians who openly promote race-based favouritism’. It’s pretty clear which race has been most favoured in New Zealand.
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July 31, 2014 9:06am
flipper

Milkyone….

Do tell !
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July 31, 2014 9:13am
ShawnLH

“It’s pretty clear which race has been most favoured in New Zealand.”

Horse racing. 🙂
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July 31, 2014 9:20am
Viking2

Yep milky it is and its not the one you are promoting.
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July 31, 2014 9:21am
ShawnLH

“Shawn – you would do well to take 5 minutes out of your day and read this summary. Next time we have a debate online then perhaps you can come from an angle that has looked at the issues that plague us from another viewpoint.”

It was certainly entertaining. some of it hilariously so, but there was very little there I could take seriously.
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July 31, 2014 9:24am
Redbaiter

The most notable thing about the reactions to my speech is that no one has even tried to explain where my argument goes wrong. They ignore the content altogether – except when they are misrepresenting it – and instead bandy about accusations of racism, “dog whistling”, old-fashioned politics and all the rest.

FFS, this strategy has been used by the left for decades in respect to almost every issue they promote. They know if they actually stopped to argue the issue they’d lose hands down. Therefore the issue must not be argued, but the dissenter must be ridiculed and taunted.

It always surprises me to learn that people who go into politics apparently need to go through this learning curve about the left when they should have known such things long before they ventured into the game.

Whyte’s apparent naivety about the left is no asset.
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July 31, 2014 9:37am
Redbaiter

Milky is just using separatism as a means to a communist totalitarian state. Its a common communist strategy. See South Africa for a previous example.
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July 31, 2014 9:39am
mikenmild

Seeing we have had ‘separatism’ since 1867 we don’t seem to be making much progress towards that Reddy. Re South Africa, did you think apartheid was a path to communism.
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July 31, 2014 9:41am
Judith

@ Redbaiter (7,634 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 9:39 am

If it didn’t exist then it wouldn’t be able to be used for anything.
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July 31, 2014 9:42am
dime

I turned on radio live this morning.. they had some MP who is retiring on.

I thought “i wonder if i can pick which party hes from?”

So i Listened.. after a minute or so he mentioned business opportunities and his farm.. Dime didnt guess Labour/Green/Mana/NZ First.. Dime guessed National. He was right.

Now if the guy had said “id like to do some work in the community” eg get on some board or some made up job so i can stay on the public tit then i would have guess labour/green.
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July 31, 2014 9:42am
ShawnLH

““Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.” – Martin Luther King.

“Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.” – Martin Luther King, on March 25, 1968, less than 2 weeks before his death.
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July 31, 2014 9:42am
Judith

Martin Luther King also said this:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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July 31, 2014 9:46am
Jack5

Anyone in Southland following Kiwiblog who can enlighten us on Ngai Tahu’s very late bid to “Maorify” Queenstown? The resort’s history is very much pioneer sheep grazing, gold and scheelite mining, and tourism.

Ngai Tahu are publicising the story about a “famous Maori Princess” swimming Lake Wakatipu.
There seem to have been a lot of swimming princesses up and down the country in pre-colonisation days. The famous swimmers of Maori legend seem to always have been women.

These swimmers seem usually to have been princesses. Were there ever women Maori chiefs? Or male Maori princes?

South of Kaikoura, the usually accepted southern limit of kumara cropping, Maori were very thin on the ground, or rather thin on the coast, for the interior was largely uninhabited, though trekked through on the way to obtain greenstone. Ngai Tahu would have been to and from Wakatipu for greenstone, but swimming that cold lake – without goggles?

As a cynic I wonder whether Ngai Tahu’s latest legend promotion is related to its flourishing group of tourism companies in Queenstown, which have the advantage over competitors from the tribe’s group classification as a charity. This means, that like the Seventh Day Adventists’ Sanitarium food manufacturer, the tribe businesses are tax exempt.

Next legends: Maori princesses who swum Cook Strait and the cold and often wild Foveaux Strait.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/10328615/Maori-tourism-interest
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July 31, 2014 9:46am
ShawnLH

“Milky is just using separatism as a means to a communist totalitarian state.”

Many Native American tribes have sovereignty over their tribal lands, including their own courts, police and schools. Are they then building a communist totalitarian state?

Of course not.

Redbaiter and Yowza may in theory be on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but they both sound equally insane. It’s the horseshoe effect again.
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July 31, 2014 9:48am
mikenmild

From the ever-helpful Wikipedia:
According to oral tradition, the first woman to swim Cook Strait was Hine Poupou. She swam from Kapiti Island to D’urville Island with the help of a dolphin. Other Māori accounts tell of at least one swimmer who conquered the strait in 1831.
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July 31, 2014 9:52am
Judith

@ Jack5 (4,592 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 9:46 am

You have a problem with Maori folklore?

Do you give your children easter eggs? Talk about Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny? Has ‘Jack Frost’ ever visited in winter? Have you ever mentioned the man in the moon to a child? Do you think before you put an umbrella up inside, ever crossed your heart, or your fingers?

All cultures have stories, folklore, and traditions which they value and pass down through the generations – whats with the isolating just one culture for criticism?
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July 31, 2014 9:52am
Redbaiter

Milky, the big picture you can never see is a divided state. Communists can’t win against a united society. The society communists wish to eventually dominate must be divided into warring groups and weakened. They follow the same pattern all over the western world, including the USA where they use minority native Indian groups the same way as they use Maori here or Aborigine in Australia. Look at communist party press releases. Its obvious.
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July 31, 2014 9:53am
dime

NBR Rich List:

“John Key, the wealthiest Prime Minister in New Zealand history with $55 million stashed away from his money trading days..”

He was worth 50 mill when he first came to parliament. who is running his trust? are they under instructions to hide some cash or to not make too much money!?

“joined this year by another National MP, Ian McKelvie, who has accumulated $50 million from farming, giving him a ranking of 163rd equal.”

never heard of this guy. been there 3 years. back bencher. i guess he will be wanting to move into cabinet soon? otherwise, whats the point?
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July 31, 2014 9:54am
mikenmild

By that logic Reddy, South Africa was under great threat from communism during the apartheid period but not so much now.
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July 31, 2014 9:56am
dime

Jamie Whyte in respone to the squash player with the made up job

“She brings up the fact that Maori are not materially privileged as if it’s a refutation of my position, but it’s part of my position.

“It’s utterly bizarre – either she hasn’t read it or she can’t think straight. It’s very very strange. I’m dumbfounded. Sometimes there’s just nothing you can say.”
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July 31, 2014 9:56am
ShawnLH

“Milky, the big picture you can never see is a divided state.”

The USA has 50 different states, each with it’s own laws, government and territory. So, was the founding and creation of the US republic a communist plot Red?
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July 31, 2014 10:00am
dime

Another 3 Israeli servicemen killed yesterday. 10 the day before, 10 the day before that.. just protecting the country they were born in.
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July 31, 2014 10:01am
KiwiPauL

@Brian Smaller

Brian, i cant agree more, my father who was in Italy in WW2 always said the locals despite the costs to the local community always greated them as friends. BTW did you live you’re childhood in Mt Maunganui.
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July 31, 2014 10:02am
fernglas

KeepingStock@8:52.
Money laundering can be committed where property acquired by crime is dealt with recklessly, in other words where it is recognised that there is a risk that the property is the proceeds of crime but the recipient goes ahead and deals with it anyway. The current interpretation of the legislation means there must be an intent to conceal the money and I don’t know whether plastering IM slogans around the country and turning Air New Zealand cabin lighting pink quite qualifies. That does not excuse the morality of using the money when there is a risk that it is the proceeds of crime or at the very least, that it is money which is the subject of a restraining order.
That said, the litigation is complex, and there may well be good reason why it was left to Hollywood to point out to the High Court the apparent breaches of the restraining orders.
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July 31, 2014 10:06am
flipper

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dime (9,446 comments) says:

July 31st, 2014 at 9:54 am

NBR Rich List

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J Key put his assets into a “blind trust” on entering Parliament, or shortly thereafter, but before he became LoO.

McKelvie is MP for Rangatikei (since 2011) , and the “rich list” ranking demonstrates that it equates with bullshit.

McKelvie’s “wealth” is in farmland, owned by the family trust. And as he pointed out earlier this year – “no one has made an offer for thje land at the “valuation” quoted”.
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July 31, 2014 10:08am
Other_Andy

mikenmild says:

“According to oral tradition, the first woman to swim Cook Strait was Hine Poupou.”

Oral tradition……..

“…She crossed and landed at Toka-haere, or Toka-kotuku, on the north side of Cook Strait. Here she rested and left the seaweed, which turned into sharks. Then, taking dry rimu-kauare, the great bull-kelp, she fastened it round her as a buoy, and continued her heroic swim. She swam on and on; she crossed the great sea of Raukawa (Cook Strait), and at last she reached Rangitoto and she rested on a rock close to her home. She took the hollow sea-kelp that had buoyed her up, and with incantations threw it into the sea, and it became taniwha (sea-monsters) and hapuku (groper). She landed at night and went to her father’s house, where she was gladly greeted.”

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Pom02Lege-t1-body-d3-d16.html

Sea weed that turns into sharks and taniwhas.
Sounds like a historic and truthful account to me.
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July 31, 2014 10:10am
jackinabox

“Another 3 Israeli servicemen killed yesterday. 10 the day before, 10 the day before that.. just protecting the country they were born in.”

And how many Palestinian children did those aggressor “servicemen” murder before they got their just deserts dime?
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July 31, 2014 10:12am
Redbaiter

Milky- Communist Party USA treatise on Native American strategies-

https://archive.org/stream/ResolutionOnThePathToNativeAmericanLiberationAdoptedAtThe22nd/NAIL#page/n0/mode/2up

Communists are all about destroying social cohesion as a means to obtain political power. You have to be blind or stupid not to see it.

From the CPUSA manual-

“… for revolution it is essential,… that the ruling classes be in a state of governmental crisis which draws even the most backward masses into politics, weakens the government and makes it possible for the revolutionaries to overthrow it rapidly.”
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July 31, 2014 10:14am
ShawnLH

“And how many children did those aggressor “servicemen” murder before they got their just deserts dime?”

In defeating Nazi Germany the allies had to bomb Germany, invade Continental Europe, and fight a bloody war all the way to Berlin. In doing all these things they would have, sadly and tragically, killed children.

Were the Allies then murderers who had no just cause?
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July 31, 2014 10:16am
ShawnLH

Red ya coward, man up and answer the question.

The USA has 50 different states, each with it’s own laws, government and territory. So, was the founding and creation of the US republic a communist plot Red?
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July 31, 2014 10:19am
flipper

dime (9,447 comments) says:

July 31st, 2014 at 9:56 am

Jamie Whyte in respone to the squash player with the made up job
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There was a time when Devoy belted the shit out of a little black ball, and when she was not smashing it, she used that poor, unfortunate, black ball to bamboozle her opponents.

Now that she has a sinecure with a 3-5 year appointment, she still plays with black, turning others words “whyte”.

David Rutherford, the Chief HR Commissioner, will now give either Devoy or the idiot who penned her comments, a good black and blue kicking. Yeah right!
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July 31, 2014 10:21am
jackinabox

“In defeating Nazi Germany the allies had to bomb Germany, invade Continental Europe, and fight a bloody war all the way to Berlin. In doing all these things they would have, sadly and tragically, killed children.

Were the Allies then murderers who had no just cause?”

Three Israeli teenage settlers were murdered on the West Bank by a criminal gang so what does Israel do? It kills HUNDREDS of innocent children in a land unconnected to the West Bank. Why didn’t Churchill bomb Dublin in his war against Hitler? Churchill didn’t bomb Dublin because Ireland was not responsible for Hitler’s crimes.
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July 31, 2014 10:26am
Redbaiter

I don’t engage with morons and I don’t succumb to their interrogations especially when-

1) The questions are falsely premised, or

2) The interrogator has the comprehensions skills of whitebait, or

3) They’re such morons I don’t give a damn what they think anyway.

In your case all three apply, so wisen up you wittering poorly educated uninteresting drone.
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July 31, 2014 10:27am
James Stephenson

So, was the founding and creation of the US republic a communist plot Red?

That’s a really stupid deliberate misinterpretation of Red’s argument.

The US was founded as a tightly constitutionally-constrained federal system with clear powers and responsibilites remaining devolved at a state level. The motivation of attempts to unpick that and re-cast the constitution as a “living document” to be re-interpreted almost at will, is another thing entirely.
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July 31, 2014 10:28am
Yoza

ShawnLH (3,469 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 9:42 am

“Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.” – Martin Luther King.

There are a lot of hoax quotes attributed to Martin Luther King which suggest he supported Israel, as this essay points out, do you have any way of demonstrating the quote you cited has any veracity?
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July 31, 2014 10:28am
UglyTruth

Islam’s War Against the Jews:

From ShawnLH’s link:

“In each of the five daily ritual prayers, Muslims around the world pray the opening Sura of the Qur’an ending in these two verses, “Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored with guidance, not [the path] of those against whom there is wrath, nor of those who are astray.” [Sura 1:6-7]… Muslim scholars are in unanimous agreement that “those against whom there is wrath” are the Jews . . . While “those who are astray” are identified as being the Christians.”

This “scholarly opinion” contradicts the Quran, which does not support such a broad generalization:

Lo! Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians – whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
Qur’an 2:62

The Quran does criticise the Jews, and the article quotes contemporary Muslim scholar Sheikh al Qaradawi:

“…they are full of venom of malice, deception, breakers of covenants, and treaties, and all these have been mentioned by the Qur’an about them, clarifying that the Jews of yesterday are the Jews of today, they hold the same characteristics and temperaments.”

If you want to see the venom of malice, try this:

Attacking press & medical in Gaza (warning, graphic):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152173922791746&set=vb.296085691745&type=2&theater

Calling for extermination: (I’ve munged the https on the link so that the video doesn’t show.)
xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYu6VCrYdGk&t=0m55s

Deception: Lying about the Lavon Affair, the attack of the USS Liberty, and the Sabra and Shatilla Massacres.

Breakers of covenants:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith YHWH:
Jeremiah 31:32
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July 31, 2014 10:29am
Redbaiter

“That’s a really stupid deliberate misinterpretation of Red’s argument.”

Yes, it betrays stupidity for certain, but I’m not sure its deliberate.
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July 31, 2014 10:33am
hj

mikenmild (10,755 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 9:06 am

So Whyte talks of ‘politicians who openly promote race-based favouritism’. It’s pretty clear which race has been most favoured in New Zealand.
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yes you are at a big disadvantage if you see yourself as a king in waiting. Better to realise no one is going to give you anything. It is people like mikenmild who keep the impossible dream alive.
Reaslist realise there will never be a new NZ where tangatawhenua appear grinning as we stroll onto the beach or live in tribal areas as they did prior to 1840 or collect land rents as a landed gentry ( a new serfdom)?
At work we deal with a Maori enterprise. My friend waves and notes “he’s the only one who waves to me. The others are all sour”. Meanwhile my friend has his own problems with a business that has failed, but these young Maori are still in 1840 – bless tariana and peter.
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July 31, 2014 10:35am
ShawnLH

On 13 October 2000, the official Palestinian Authority television station broadcast live a Friday sermon in the Zayed bin Sultan Aal Nahyan mosque in Gaza. Below are excerpts from the sermon, as transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), .

The speaker is Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the Palestinian Authority-appointed “Fatwa Council” and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza.

“On killing Jews and Americans:

“O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists – are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: ‘Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers…”

“Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them – and those who stand by them – they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine. They created it to be the outpost of their civilization and the vanguard of their army, and to be the sword of the West and the crusaders, hanging over the necks of the monotheists, the Muslims in these lands. They wanted the Jews to be their spearhead…”

On making peace with Israel:

“Even if an agreement of Gaza is signed – we shall not forget Haifa, and Acre, and the Galilee, and Jaffa, and the Triangle and the Negev, and the rest of our cities and villages. It is only a matter of time. The weak will not remain forever weak, and the strong will not remain forever strong… If we are weak today… and we are not able to regain our rights, then at least we have to pass on the banner – waving high – to our children and grandchildren…”

“…We will not give up a single grain of soil of Palestine, from Haifa, and Jaffa, and Acre, and Mulabbas [Petah Tikva] and Salamah, and Majdal [Ashkelon], and all the land, and Gaza, and the West Bank…”

“…Let us put our trust in Allah, close ranks, and unite our words, and the slogan of us all should be, ‘Jihad! Jihad! For the sake of Palestine, and for the sake of Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa!'”
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July 31, 2014 10:37am
dime

“And how many Palestinian children did those aggressor “servicemen” murder before they got their just deserts dime?”

9 out of 10 on monday were killed on israeli land. the terrorists used the tunnel network to stage a surprise attack.

usually future terrorists are killed by bombs as the coward Palestinians use them as human shields. so id say no children were harmed by these servicemen.

also, lol @ just desserts. such heart from the cop hating lefty.
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July 31, 2014 10:38am
mikenmild

‘future terrorists’
Seems to becoming the accepted Kiwiblog code word for Palestinian children.
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July 31, 2014 10:39am
ShawnLH

“That’s a really stupid deliberate misinterpretation of Red’s argument.”

Bullshit. Red made one of his usual brainless and simplistic generalizations, in this case about separatism, and I nailed him for the obvious contradiction.

Red just does not have the intellectual nous to make an argument that is not filled with holes that you can drive a fleet of trucks through.
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July 31, 2014 10:42am
ShawnLH

Hamas in Their Own Words.

Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011

“We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood…We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs.”

Sermon delivered by ‘Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI

“Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him.

“The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

“Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

“The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth.”
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July 31, 2014 10:45am
jackinabox

“usually future terrorists are killed by bombs as the coward Palestinians use them as human shields. so id say no children were harmed by these servicemen.”

Your ignorant opinions aren’t worth a dime, dime. Best you crawl back under your rock.
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July 31, 2014 10:50am
Redbaiter

ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte calls Dame Susan Devoy to resign
Thursday, 31 July 2014, 10:10 am
Press Release: ACT New Zealand

ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte calls Dame Susan Devoy to resign

Dame Susan Devoy has responded to my speech calling for racial equality by publicly condemning it as “grotesque and inflammatory”.

That would be nothing more than a sign of ignorance if she were still a professional squash player.

But she is no longer a squash professional. She is the Commissioner for Race Relations. Her role is specified in legislation.

Nowhere does the legislation say that, unlike other senior state bureaucrats, the Commissioner of Race Relations’ role involves engaging in political campaigns to support particular parties, such as the Mana-Internet Party and the Maori Party.

It is astounding that the Commissioner of Race Relations should condemn me for promoting legal equality between the races.

If Ms Devoy believes that a person’s legal rights should depend on the race of her parents, and if she believes that she should use her state-funded position to promote the electoral prospects of race-based political parties, then she is unfit to hold her position as the Commissioner of Race Relations.

She should resign today.

ends

More courage to Mr. Whyte.

Taking the fight to the disgusting devious cowardly status quo.
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July 31, 2014 10:52am
Manolo

“…Let us put our trust in Allah, close ranks, and unite our words, and the slogan of us all should be, ‘Jihad! Jihad! For the sake of Palestine, and for the sake of Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa!’”

Yes, the barbarians should put their faith in Allah and the paedophile prohet.
In return, the Jewish State should blow them to smithereens, back to the Dark Ages where they rightly belong.
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July 31, 2014 10:53am
Judith

And in the meantime, humanity, preoccupied by an age-old religious based war, the downing of an aircraft, a civil war, another Russian based skirmish, terrorist threats and melting ice caps – seemingly ignores a festering virus that has the ability to reduce human kind by 90%. Another false alarm, ebola the ‘swine flu’ of over-exaggeration, or the beginning of an end to capitalism, democracy and life as we know it?
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July 31, 2014 10:54am
SGA

Judith at 10:54 am

Another false alarm, ebola the ‘swine flu’ of over-exaggeration, or the beginning of an end to capitalism, democracy and life as we know it?

Huh? I thought gay marriage was supposed to be doing that?
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July 31, 2014 10:56am
dime

“Your ignorant opinions aren’t worth a dime, dime. Best you crawl back under your rock.”

try not to get arrested today.
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July 31, 2014 10:59am
Steinienick

hj (6,367 comments) says:

A third of the permanent snow and ice on the Southern Alps has vanished ….
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11301095

I note that this article is by Sallinger, not somebody I trust, but a quick sum reveals.
The 9000 km³ claimed for the world melt (in the same declination proportional to NZ) then 1/3 has already melted. This 9000 km³ divided by the area of sea (510 000 000 km² x .7= 357 000 000 km²)=0.025m (25mm) Therefore to melt the balance would only raise the sea level by 50mm. Hence if his statements are correct 50mm rise in sea level is nothing or the NZ condition is not proportional to the rest of the world.
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July 31, 2014 11:01am
Jack5

Judith in a 9.52 post asked of me:

You have a problem with Maori folklore?

No I don’t. Do you have a problem distinguishing history from folklore, Judith?

The Maori princess swimming Lake Wakatipu wasn’t reported as folklore. It was implied it was history.

Milkenmild’s 9.52 post highlights a couple of other Maori women swimmers. Where were the Maori male swimmers? Why were there no epic female Maori swims after 1840?

If folklore-myth is what Maori oral history comprises, what basis for many of the Waitangi Treaty claims?
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July 31, 2014 11:01am
Griff

Jack5
Because the men were not trying to escape being raped killed then eaten as much
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July 31, 2014 11:04am
Pete George

Max Coyle in the news again.

The formerly anonymous person behind satire site ColinCraig.co.nz has revealed themselves.

InternetNZ ‘s Domain Name Commission site now lists Max Coyle of Hamilton as the person who registered the URL.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/person-behind-rogue-colin-craig-website-reveals-themselves

Note that he is ex-Green.
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July 31, 2014 11:06am
backster

” The first woman to swim Cook Strait was Hine Poupou.”………Thus ends NCEA history lesson for today schools out.
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July 31, 2014 11:06am
Judith

@ jackinabox

I want to apologise for not supporting some of what you said last night regarding the Crewe case. I was not claiming that what you were saying was wrong regarding our police force. I know only too well how the entire Thomas family was, and still is being treated by the police. As a young person I remember being sat in a pub with two of Arthur’s brothers, having a great time, laughing, when the police entered – none of us were breaking the law or doing anything wrong, but out group was singled out, solely because Lloydo and Dezzie were among us. It was during the seventies, just after Arthur’s pardon. The treatment we all received, and especially those boys received would have resulted in a IPCA investigation today, but back then it was just part and parcel of believing in Arthur’s innocence.

We all watched Ivy Thomas lose her infectious smile, get ill and die an early death due to the effects of police incompetency and out right dishonesty. Yes I do know how the police can be. Arthur’s wrongful conviction and the effect on his family was what got me interested in criminal justice in the first place. I wanted to be a police woman so I could get in there and change things, but nature saw fit to make me two inches too short to meet the requirements back then. When I did get to work in the criminal justice system I realised that not all police were the same. That the ‘rot’ existed at the top, and although filtered through to some at the lower levels, there were in fact some decent among them – although ever getting any of them to admit that Arthur was innocent, was hard going.

You said your family has been targeted, and I believe you. Only a fool would say that sort of thing doesn’t happen. It does. I am devastated with the report yesterday. So far I have found 171 points of contention, and I’m not finished. That report should have been undertaken by an independent authority – people tell us to move on, to forget it, but they are ignorant to the fact that until this sort of corruption is revealed and addressed, the police and society will never have total faith in each other.
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July 31, 2014 11:07am
Ashley Schaeffer

If the UN were serious about doing something worthwhile in the Middle East instead of bitching at Israel for defending itself, it would put a UN peace-keeping force in Gaza and actively work to disarm the population of their bombs and missiles. We’ll then see how much sympathy the world has for the Gazans when they start targeting and killing UN peace-keepers as Infidel-Occupier-Crusaders or something-or-other.
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July 31, 2014 11:09am
SGA

Jack5 at 11:01 am

No I don’t. Do you have a problem distinguishing history from folklore, Judith?

Well, that’s not always as easy as it sounds. They have a nasty habit of getting all tangled up, especially when oral traditions are concerned.
For example –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood#A_historical_Robin_Hood
So, there might be some degree of history in folklore (and vice versa).
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July 31, 2014 11:11am
Judith

@ Jack5 (4,593 comments) says:
July 31st, 2014 at 11:01 am

Actually Jack, you are wrong. Not all folklore is a myth, and a large amount of it has been found to have basis in historical fact.

More and more archaeological findings are proving that many of what was believed to be purely myth, has in fact been based on actual happenings, although become exaggerated over time.
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July 31, 2014 11:12am
UglyTruth

‘Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands”

This is apparently from a mistranslation of surah 9:14 of the Qur’an, where the Arabic word for punishment has been incorrectly translated as torture. Also, violence as a form of punishment is described in Proverbs as a penalty for treachery:

A man shall eat good by the fruit of [his] mouth: but the soul of the treacherous (בגדים) [shall eat] violence.
Proverbs 13:2
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July 31, 2014 11:13am
Manolo

Susan Devoy has made a complete fool of herself (again).
Shame on her for pandering to the racists and promoters of the gravy train.
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July 31, 2014 11:16am
jackinabox

“it would put a UN peace-keeping force in Gaza and actively work to disarm the population of their bombs and missiles.”

Why is Israel allowed to have missiles, bombs and weapons of mass destruction but the Gazans are not?
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July 31, 2014 11:16am
jackinabox

No need to apologise Judith but thanks anyway.
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July 31, 2014 11:18am
Other_Andy

Ashley Schaeffer says:

“If the UN were serious about doing something worthwhile in the Middle East….”

Ask yourself the following questions…

Why are the ‘Palestinian Refugees’ the only refugees whose children are also classed as refugees?
Why out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, is theirs the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples’ lands?
Why does the UN spends 50% more on ‘Palestinian Refugees’ than on any other refugees?
Why are ‘Palestinian Refugees’ the only refugees that have their own UN organisation, The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East – UNRWA?
Also note that there are 23,000 UNRWA employees (Most of them Palestinian) compared to 7,000 for the rest of the world.
UNRWA’s biennium regular budget for 2010 and 2011 is US$1.23 billion, since 1999 10 billion dollars in direct aid has gone to UNRWA.

And….

Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

Find out what the largest voting block is in the UN controlling all this…..
Then you know why the UN wants to keep the status quo and isn’t interested in a fair solution in the Middle East.
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July 31, 2014 11:24am
hj

Jackinabox:
Why is Israel allowed to have missiles, bombs and weapons of mass destruction but the Gazans are not?
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because it would be instant death to the Israelis?
but who (on the left) would care? As the fat fella’s sign at the Queen Street Camel Parade said “Fuck Israel”?
I can imagine a situation like the Dutch allowing Serbs to escort Muslims of to be executed if a UN took over.
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July 31, 2014 11:25am
Don the Kiwi

jackinabox.

“Why is Israel allowed to have missiles, bombs and weapons of mass destruction but the Gazans are not”

Because, stupid, its the Gazans are ALWAYS the ones who attack and start hostilities.
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