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duggledog

Someone tell Guyon Espiner to PROJECT!!!

Honestly you can hardly hear what he’s saying especially if you’re driving in a car and listening to the radio. He’s using his bowels to talk instead of his upper chest (in so many ways)
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July 18, 2014 8:03am
Pete George

Whale Oil turned to attacking alleged victim Tania Billingsley and her associates this week. This hypocritical attack based on rumour and insinuation was widely and justifiably criticised.

But in response some have turned their anger on Canon, somehow holding them responsible because Whale Oil won a Canon sponsored media award prior to this happening.

Redirecting blame at Canon is as wrong-headed as redirecting blame at victims of sexual assault. One disgraceful agenda doesn’t justify another.

Whale Oil and Canon
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July 18, 2014 8:06am
Gulag1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjYjkJt2us#t=343
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July 18, 2014 8:09am
Nukuleka

I see that there is discussion about providing alternative options for gender classification in the census. The discussion paper I went to following a link in Bob McCroskie’s blog suggests they are considering a range of alternative terms, though the current poll on Stuff indicates only one- ‘genderqueer’. Deary me. This is what you come to when you have a navel- gazing 1st world society that seems to have lost its way. If this nonsensical plan were carried through I’d take immense pleasure in ticking ‘genderqueer’ just to stuff up the statistics!!I think quite a few people would register their distaste in a similar fashion.
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July 18, 2014 8:11am
Judith

@ Pete George (22,616 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 8:06 am

I agree, and Canon is not to blame in any way. Attacking them is fruitless and pathetic, however, I do wonder, if the roles were reversed, and it was a leftie blogger who was ‘doing a Whaleoil’ would Slater have not made the same or similar attack? He doesn’t seem to shy from poking the finger at the acquaintances or business associations of the people he targets. I guess what goes around comes around – doesn’t make it right by any means, but when you involve yourself in that game – its going to happen.
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July 18, 2014 8:12am
Yoza

IDF begins ground invasion of Gaza

“Israeli tanks entered Gaza on Thursday night after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered a ground invasion, a major escalation in a ten-day offensive that has already killed more than 230 Palestinians.

Witnesses in Gaza reported heavy bombing from jets, warships and artillery stationed along the border, with much of the firing was directed at northern Gaza. The electricity was cut off across a large swathe of the strip, though it was unclear why.”

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July 18, 2014 8:12am
Scott Chris

Seems disagreeing with someone isn’t the way to change their minds:

What if the best way to change minds isn’t to tell people why they’re wrong, but to tell them why they’re right? Scientists tried this recently and discovered that agreeing with people can be a surprisingly powerful way to shake up strongly held beliefs.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/10280180/To-change-attitudes-don-t-argue-agree-extremely
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July 18, 2014 8:19am
Harriet

“….This is what you come to when you have a navel- gazing 1st world society that seems to have lost its way….”

Now now Nuku —– they’re called progressive societies —– historicly, the worst of the Greek and Roman ones. 😎
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July 18, 2014 8:19am
tvb

A poll on the stuff website said Cunliffe is dragging down the Labour vote. I predict there will be no move to replace him. Labour still has a lot of work to do to put a credible narrative together on what their Government would look like. That must mean some sort of joint platform with the Greens on key policy issues starting with economic policy. David Shearer started With the joint announcement on the electricity market. But on 4-5 key policies the Greens and Labour need to speak with one voice. That will not happen for this election but they might have something in place for 2017. Then the voters can look and see whether a Labour lead Government is worth supporting.
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July 18, 2014 8:22am
Harriet

Yoza.

When Israel calls up reservists, there is always a ground assault.
Israel will occupy the West Bank like Macarther occupied Japan. They’re in for the long haul as no one else can give the place security from Hamas and other terror organisations.
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July 18, 2014 8:28am
igm

Whale is correct, this left-wing lesbian is on a socialist crusade, aided by Logie and media. There is a hell of a lot more to come to the fore regarding this person, and she is not being vilified as some losers claim.
Who the hell do these coroners think they are, they are there to make recommendations not laws!
Go the Israelis.
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July 18, 2014 8:32am
Elaycee

Yoda: IDF begins ground invasion of Gaza

Good of you to provide the link – thanks.

It’s long overdue the Israeli forces went in and lanced the boil called Hamas – as soon as the terrorists started lobbing rockets and ordnance into the sovereign state of Israel, it was only a matter of time before the IDF went in and sorted them out for good.

I doubt it’ll take long….
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July 18, 2014 8:32am
J Bloggs

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11295242

Hey Expats – bugger off back to wherever you’ve already buggered off to. No representation without taxation!
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July 18, 2014 8:33am
Manolo

Going in: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-intensifies-Gaza-attacks-with-artillery-fire-air-strikes-363289
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July 18, 2014 8:34am
stephieboy

Harriet , your ideal society Russia under the Romanovs ,Central Europe under the Hapsburg’s, Britain under Queen Victoria , China under the Manchu’s etc?
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July 18, 2014 8:36am
J Bloggs

I doubt it’ll take long….

what like Iraq, Afganistan, Vietnam, World War One……

I’m sure Edward III said something similar when he challenged Philip for the throne of France too…
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July 18, 2014 8:40am
Gulag1917

stephieboy and his slanderous speculations.
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July 18, 2014 8:44am
Judith

Good to see IGM still blaming the victim, and still not answering the questions as to how she orchestrated the whole thing, including manipulating the Malaysian government, our government officials and McCully.
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July 18, 2014 8:45am
peterwn

tvb – unless Labour can get its act together for 2017, it may well be a Green led coalition with Labour playing second fiddle.
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July 18, 2014 8:46am
James Stephenson

This hypocritical attack based on rumour and insinuation was widely and justifiably criticised.

Widely? Justifiably? When those attacking Whale are almost exclusively inhabitants of Bradbury’s vanity project and the Labour & Union Staffers Blog, I don’t see how either of those adjectives apply.

Why would a victim, having seen her alleged attacker leave the country under diplomatic immunity, make a bee-line for the court of public opinion and thereby jeopardise the chances of extraditing said attacker back here to face a trial in a proper court? You don’t have to be as cynical as Whale to think it might be because there’s not much of an actual case.
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July 18, 2014 8:47am
David Garrett

PG: I am not sure if you are or ever were a Catholic…but do you by any chance anoint yourself with holy water every morning?
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July 18, 2014 8:49am
Harriet

“……Harriet , your ideal society Russia under the Romanovs ,Central Europe under the Hapsburg’s, Britain under Queen Victoria , China under the Manchu’s etc?…”

Nice try.

No. Under God. 😎
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July 18, 2014 8:51am
calendar girl

A bread price war between the supermarkets, it seems: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11295254

Countdown’s heavy adverting on TV last evening contain some words along the lines of “It’s locked down, and it’s staying down”. But “staying down” now appears to be not quite what the advertising claims:

“Countdown managing director Dave Chambers told the Herald last night the supermarket hoped to keep its $1 price for as long as possible. We can’t set a date on it. Our ambition is to hold it as long as we can.”
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July 18, 2014 8:52am
Pete George

When those attacking Whale are almost exclusively inhabitants of Bradbury’s vanity project and the Labour & Union Staffers Blog, I don’t see how either of those adjectives apply.

I’ve seen much wider criticism than that, notably from a significant number of mainstream journalists.
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July 18, 2014 8:54am
stephieboy

Harriet , but a close one especially the Romanovs who thought their rule divinely ordained.You believe in say the Divine right of Colin Craig and other like political leaders to rule “under God”?
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July 18, 2014 8:56am
flipper

PG and Judith….

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Judith (7,332 comments) says:

July 18th, 2014 at 8:45 am

Good to see IGM still blaming the victim,….
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You mean “alleged victim”, do you not?
The pejorative “victim” label indicates a trial, and an outcome that establishes the validity of the allegations.

If Billingsley (et al) is a “victim”, I will happily “withdraw and apologise”.
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July 18, 2014 9:00am
Pete George

DG: what do you anoint yourself with each morning? I’m not sure if you’ve ever been a Mormon, or a Klu Klux Clansman, or many other things, but I’m also not sure what it would have to do with anything.

You’ve had some interesting things to say at times but have undone credibility by frequently resorting to petty bitching and making snide insinuations. I do wonder what you get out of it. Seems to be more personal pissiness than anything. You won’t recover a political reputation by building a wee fan club amongst the perpetually peeved here.
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July 18, 2014 9:04am
James Stephenson

I’ve seen much wider criticism than that, notably from a significant number of mainstream journalists.

Oh right, has twitter groupthink kicked in as well?
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July 18, 2014 9:05am
Pete George

You don’t have to be as cynical as Whale to think it might be because there’s not much of an actual case.

You don’t have to be as cynical as me to think that claiming “there’s not much of an actual case” is typical of the victim blaming predator excusing culture that is evident here and on Whale Oil.

If Billingsley (et al) is a “victim”, I will happily “withdraw and apologise”.

flipper – there are far more victims of violence and sex crimes than there are convictions. That’s an established fact. I’m not saying Billingsley is a victim, I simply don’t know that as I don’t know the facts of the case.

Neither do those speculating that she is the guilty party have any facts to support their insinuations. Why are you addressing Judith and I and ignoring the attacks on Billingsley and here associates? They seem to have been presumed guilty by Whale Oil and some here.
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July 18, 2014 9:16am
Pete George

James Stephenson:

When those attacking Whale are almost exclusively inhabitants of Bradbury’s vanity project and the Labour & Union Staffers Blog, I don’t see how either of those adjectives apply.

No evidence provided. Then in response to a counter claim:

Oh right, has twitter groupthink kicked in as well?

James, what groupthink did you base your claim on?
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July 18, 2014 9:19am
oldpark

Has anyone noticed that the massive assault on our national security watchdogs is being carried out by a german convicted criminal who has a german name of Schmidz alias Dotcon.An Australian self styled communist called Russel Norman with one” L”missing.Both whingers come from countries where security for their nations is so much tougher.Seems Norman and the German criminal can attack our security system as punitive,yet if they did the same in Germany or Australia they would or could be charged subversive actitivites against national security.After all if Dotcon and Norman don’t like our tame security bureau they could leave NZ. It is not compulsory to stay in NZ for Norman or Schmidz the adopted country of both objectors, to our protectors of national security.
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July 18, 2014 9:25am
Judith

@ flipper (3,496 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 9:00 am

Because whilst she is the alleged victim of a sexually motivated attack, she is a definite victim of a smear campaign due to her speaking out about what she perceives to be a matter of mismanagement.

As I have said before, those who insist on pursuing this smear campaign need to answer first how the alleged victim managed to manipulate the Malaysian government, NZ government Officials and McCully, in order to ensure that the matter became known, and therefore became of public interest. Until you can do that – there is nothing credible you can claim regarding the campaign Whale oil is conducting. Taking the higher ground is one thing, if you can be absolutely sure that if the political interests were reversed, that your party faithfuls would not have also made a fuss over the mismanagement. But we all know that is not the case, and had this happened to a national supporter under a labour government, you’d all be screaming blue bloody murder as well.
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July 18, 2014 9:26am
David Garrett

PG: You are just too tempting a “holier than thou” target Pete…

Have YOU apologised for being a man yet? After all, surely if there IS in fact a “rape culture” in this country then you must be part of it, just as Cunliffe has declared he is?

As for me “recovering” my political reputation, I’m not sure what you mean… if it is that if only I followed your advice I could resurrect myself and have another go, Alas, No…I have been told by several wise parties that that is impossible…if you are referring to what I did while I was there, Well son, it was a lot more than booking halls and chairing meetings for the coiffured one..
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July 18, 2014 9:29am
Harriet

“…..Harriet , but a close one especially the Romanovs who thought their rule divinely ordained.You believe in say the Divine right of Colin Craig and other like political leaders to rule “under God”?….”

I was mostly joking.

Anyway, it’s about the people who live under God AND government. The Bible expects this of Christians.

Christians, like everyone else, just want a fair go under government. They just want to be heard. We are currently not getting that[or certainly not like others get treated by government].
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July 18, 2014 9:29am
James Stephenson

You don’t have to be as cynical as me to think that claiming “there’s not much of an actual case” is typical of the victim blaming predator excusing culture that is evident here and on Whale Oil.

I beg forgiveness oh great and Holier than Everyone Pete George. /sarc

It’s not “victim blaming” to ask why the decision was evidently made that the chance to go on TV and attack McCully and Key was more important than risking any possible extradition because of the alleged attacker being unable to get a fair trial.

You also can’t blame ordinary Kiwi dads and husbands if they get pissed off when the big tar-laden brush of “all men are rapists” gets hauled out over the alleged actions of a foreign national from a religion with known issues with its treatment of women.
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July 18, 2014 9:30am
igm

oldpark: And the obese slug is totally supported by Little’s media lackeys.
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July 18, 2014 9:32am
wikiriwhis business

“oldpark: And the obese slug is totally supported by Little’s media lackeys.”

You starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist – as long as it agrees with the right I suppose
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July 18, 2014 9:36am
James Stephenson

James, what groupthink did you base your claim on?

Which claim is that? The only place I’d seen Whale attacked were the usual suspects that I mentioned. You said that you’d seen criticism from MSM journalists and I made the *assumption* that such critcism would have been made in the usual arena, where our self-appointed cultural elites display their righteousness ie Twitter.

Was I wrong?
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July 18, 2014 9:38am
wikiriwhis business

.NEW WORLD ORDER DECLARED (2014 ALERT)- OBAMA’S NEW AMERICA .

“International order we have worked for generations to build – Barack Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WahMK5NFpc8
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July 18, 2014 9:40am
Harriet

“….You also can’t blame ordinary Kiwi dads and husbands if they get pissed off when the big tar-laden brush of “all men are rapists” gets hauled out over the alleged actions of a foreign national from a religion…..”

Rape culture is manufactured by feminists —– they do the blaming with a broad brush, then when they here males defend their own honor, they dismiss it as ‘rape culture’.
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July 18, 2014 9:43am
Judith

@ wikiriwhis business (3,840 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 9:40 am

I find that really disturbing. Frightening even, for so many reasons.
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July 18, 2014 9:44am
Pete George

such critcism would have been made in the usual arena, where our self-appointed cultural elites display their righteousness ie Twitter.

I’ve seen criticism of Whale Oil’s post from a wide range of people on Twitter, including a range of journalists. And I’ve seen scant support outside here.

Twitter is useful for getting a mix of views, as opposed to bubbles of bitching you tend to get on blogs.

The only place I’d seen Whale attacked were the usual suspects that I mentioned.

Who and where?
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July 18, 2014 9:48am
wikiriwhis business

Just to add more evidence

Apocalyptic Sign “Water Turns Blood Red” Vancouver Canada .

The book of Revelation is being considered as the English Bay turns “Blood Red” in Vancouver, Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oug5YXsn8kA
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July 18, 2014 9:49am
Pete George

DG at 9.29 am – again you’re resorting to making false accusations and dishonest insinuations. I can only assume that as they are variations on a repeating line of pettiness it’s a deliberate habit.

It’s not your Parliamentary past that precludes you from “having another go”, I think it’s your recent past and present that makes you far to great a risk for any party.
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July 18, 2014 9:56am
James Stephenson

Oh fuck off Pete, I’m not traipsing through the Bradbury Vanity Project and the Union staffers’ blog just to get links for you.
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July 18, 2014 10:07am
Yoza

Elaycee (4,274 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 8:32 am

It’s long overdue the Israeli forces went in and lanced the boil called Hamas – as soon as the terrorists started lobbing rockets and ordnance into the sovereign state of Israel, it was only a matter of time before the IDF went in and sorted them out for good.

I doubt it’ll take long….

I have no doubt the German high command expressed similar sentiments when embarking on the final solution.
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July 18, 2014 10:10am
wikiriwhis business

“I find that really disturbing. Frightening even, for so many reasons.”

Predicted in Biblical scripture
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July 18, 2014 10:12am
cha

It’s long overdue the Israeli forces went in and lanced the boil called Hamas – as soon as the terrorists started lobbing rockets and ordnance into the sovereign state of Israel, it was only a matter of time before the IDF went in and sorted them out for good

Perhaps you should heed the warning of a man who knows a thing or two.

However, the rapid deterioration we’re experiencing in the security situation did not come because of the vile murder of Naftali, Eyal and Gil-Ad, may their memories be blessed. The deterioration is first and foremost a result of the illusion that the government’s inaction on every front can actually freeze the situation in place, the illusion that “price tag” is simply a few slogans on the wall and not pure racism, the illusion that everything can be solved with a little more force, the illusion that the Palestinians will accept everything that’s done in the West Bank and won’t respond despite the rage and frustration and the worsening economic situation, the illusion that the international community won’t impose sanctions on us, that the Arab citizens of Israel won’t take to the streets at the end of the day because of the lack of care for their problems, and that the Israeli public will continue submissively to accept the government’s helplessness in dealing with the social gaps that its policies have created and are worsening, while corruption continues to poison everything good, and so on and so on.

– Yuval Diskin

http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201468/ex-shin-bet-chief-israeli-illusions-fueled-blowup/
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July 18, 2014 10:21am
ShawnLH

“Predicted in Biblical scripture”

No. As, unlike you, someone who has seriously studied Scripture in an academic environment, Revelations is not a map of the end times. It is part liturgical hymn, and part a critique of the Roman empire. The actual Roman empire note, not tin foil hat nonsense about a NWO.
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July 18, 2014 10:29am
wikiriwhis business

.Gaza is Burning: Here’s What the Corporate Media isn’t Telling You

Abby Martin reports on the latest violence in Israel, and speaks with author and journalist Max Blumenthal about the aspects of the story that aren’t being discussed in the corporate media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3UZxWAcfw
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July 18, 2014 10:30am
ShawnLH

“Gaza is Burning: Here’s What the Corporate Media isn’t Telling You”

Translation: “I have no credible source for this.”
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July 18, 2014 10:31am
wikiriwhis business

“not tin foil hat nonsense about a NWO.”

My vid above with Barack Obama and Joe Biden both publicly declare the NWO.

I have a feeling most on this blog are one world proponents as most MP’s are trying to cover up the reality.

Esp when there is vid evidence from world leaders proclaiming verbatim the NWO.
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July 18, 2014 10:32am
ShawnLH

“I have no doubt the German high command expressed similar sentiments when embarking on the final solution.”

That would be the same final solution HAMAS would like to repeat?
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July 18, 2014 10:33am
EAD

Gulag 8.09am,

very powerful video, thanks for sharing.

It is great to see people uniting against the false divisions their leaders use to divide and rule and waking up to the greatest fraud in our lifetime and doing something about it.
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July 18, 2014 10:33am
kowtow

Govt handling of obesity criticised.

With recommendations.Taxes of course.

None to do with the all important personal responsibility.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11295271
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July 18, 2014 10:38am
Elaycee

Yoda: I have no doubt the German high command expressed similar sentiments when embarking on the final solution.

Sheesh…. even by your own ‘standards’ that comment is totally appalling.

You really are one sick puppy.
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July 18, 2014 10:38am
wikiriwhis business

Powerful interview by Larry King with major alternative media presenters.

The MSM can’t ignore alternative media any more as the public validates alternative media and sponsors

change to alternative media

.Larry King Faces Off with Abby Martin on “Dinosaur Media” .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7Yxic4qKc
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July 18, 2014 10:42am
Redbaiter

“None to do with the all important personal responsibility.”

Our universities (in fact most of our cultural icons) are under the command of propaganda spieling left wing/ Marxist degenerates.
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July 18, 2014 10:42am
Manolo

Good point and question raised by DG: Has P.G. apologised for being a man? If not, why not?

C’mon Mother Teresa, give us your full blown apology for belonging to the gender entirely responsible for “rape culture” in NZ.
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July 18, 2014 10:42am
wikiriwhis business

These 5 Censored Books Tell a History the Establishment Wants Hidden .

Abby Martin speaks with NYU media studies professor, Mark Crispin Miller, about five historical books that have been actively suppressed and hidden from the American public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcHRaxN-u5U
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July 18, 2014 10:48am
All_on_Red

Billingsly could have simply gone straight to a journalist to have her concerns aired. The fact she went to Logie raises the suspicion of political motivation. Logies actions have done nothing to diminish that suspicion. Its quite right that questions are being asked about motivation because of this.
I really want to hear the Malaysian diplomats version of what happened too. I hope he comes back.
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July 18, 2014 10:58am
Pete George

Manolo – as you should know I’ve addressed that before but that never stops your gutless attacks. You have a record of deliberately ignoring facts and repeating nonsense. As you’re a fan boy of Colin Craig it’s not a good look for the Conservative Party.

I’ve never apologised for being a man and have never seen any need to do so.

Now Manolo, will you apologise for being a woman? Is it possible for you to be honest?
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July 18, 2014 11:08am
EAD

@ Wiki,

Also worth noting that other books that were banned at various points in time include what are now considered literary polemics:

The Grapes of Wrath
Brave New World
1984
The Satanic Verses
Tragedy and Hope
Fahrenheit 451

The Problem we have is that so few people lack the intelligence to see exactly what these books were telling us about our future as they are to dim-witted and/or distracted by bread and circuses.
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July 18, 2014 11:09am
hj

Going Too Far

Don’t Like Your Neighbors’ House? Sue Them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/is-an-ugly-house-grounds-to-sue.html?_r=1

would be interesting to see on Google street view.
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July 18, 2014 11:10am
Pete George

The fact she went to Logie raises the suspicion of political motivation. Logies actions have done nothing to diminish that suspicion. Its quite right that questions are being asked about motivation because of this.

I agree it’s fair to ask questions about the political aspects of her going public.

But it’s highly unprofessional hypocritical of Whale Oil to rake over the criminal case and make accusations and insinuations on that while it’s still subject to court action. Very poor for someone claiming to be a journalist.
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July 18, 2014 11:12am
Elaycee

From DPF’s (Twitter) sidebar: Sky News Australia @SkyNewsAust #BREAKING: @UN observers in #Gaza have uncovered 20 rockets at a school in violation of international law. More now Ch 601

This is precisely why Israel had to send in troops to deal to the Hamas terrorists – can you imagine the howls of outrage if the IDF initiated a drone attack on a school?

Nice to see Sky News Australia reveal this….. because you sure won’t hear about it from Al Jazeera!
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July 18, 2014 11:13am
Kiwi Dave

Wiki, I don’t regard Obama or Biden as reliable guides to anything, including their own thoughts.

Moreover, ‘(new) world order’ has a range of meanings from an intended world government/dictatorship to merely a recognition that alliances and the (im)balance of power and disruption around the world continue to change. From the brief extract provided, I suspect Biden in his West Point address meant the latter as part of a wider and quite reasonable point that armies must not only be able to respond to old threats, but also to new ones.
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July 18, 2014 11:26am
G152

But it’s highly unprofessional hypocritical of Whale Oil to rake over the criminal case and make accusations and insinuations on that while it’s still subject to court action. Very poor for someone claiming to be a journalist.

Well, if he doesn’t report the side of the story that the MSM either cant or wont print the general public will have no idea that there is more to the story.
At the moment Slaters about the only investigative journo with an audience.
All MSM media circulation figures added together dont come up to the hits on his blog.
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July 18, 2014 11:27am
bc

igm: “Go the Israelis.”

Another classy post from igm. Warfare, where lives will be lost (on both sides) treated like a pre-match shout out by kiwiblogs resident idiot.

What next from igm – a cheer for a plane getting shot down.
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July 18, 2014 11:29am
Pete George

But Whale Oil has no idea what else there is to the story either. That wasn’t investigative journalism, it was slanted speculation.
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July 18, 2014 11:38am
publicwatchdog

Have just been listening to Radio Live and heard National Party ‘spin doctor’ Michelle Boag state that Kim Dotcom had no credibility.

Really Michelle?

That’s not what Justice Wylie said – when he found (former) ACT MP for Epsom, John Banks, guilty of electoral fraud:

http://laudafinem.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/banks-reasons-for-verdict-20140605.pdf

[130] Mr Jones put it to me that Mr Dotcom’s evidence, and that of Mrs Dotcom,
Mr Tempero and Mr McKavanagh (the “Dotcom witnesses”), was a fiction, and part
of a larger conspiracy, driven by Mr Dotcom, to try and unseat Mr Banks, destabilise
the Government, and bring down the present Prime Minister, Mr Key.

[131] I do not accept Mr Jones’s submissions in this regard:

(a) First, I watched each of the Dotcom witnesses carefully while they
gave evidence. I did not notice anything in their demeanour to
suggest that they were not telling the truth. I considered that each of
the Dotcom witnesses (other than Mr McKavanagh) was
straightforward in giving evidence. As I have already noted, with the
exception of Mr McKavanagh, I consider that they were reliable and
credible witnesses.

Mr Dotcom, in particular, was, in my view, a good witness.
He answered questions about his criminal history frankly and openly.
He did not obviously seek to “gild the lily” in giving evidence and there
was no artifice that I could detect.

……………………….
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I note that Justice Wylie did not mention Michelle Boag in his list of ‘credible’ witnesses?

(Meant of course, in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.dodgyjohnHASgone.com
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July 18, 2014 12:01pm
Sofia

So Penny Bright brings to our attention –

“Mr Dotcom, in particular, was, in my view, a good witness.  He answered questions about his criminal history frankly and openly.”
– Justice Wylie, his personal observations
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July 18, 2014 12:38pm
ShawnLH

“My vid above with Barack Obama and Joe Biden both publicly declare the NWO.”

No they don’t. By that silly argument any comment about international issues can be interpreted as a NWO conspiracy.

Neither Obama nor Biden “declare the NWO”, that is just your insane interpretation, much like your insane notion that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a reliable document about Jewish evil.
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July 18, 2014 12:39pm
wikiriwhis business

“Wiki, I don’t regard Obama or Biden as reliable guides to anything, including their own thoughts.”

George H Bush trumpeted the same NWO
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July 18, 2014 12:40pm
ShawnLH

“The Problem we have is that so few people lack the intelligence to see exactly what these books were telling us about our future as they are to dim-witted and/or distracted by bread and circuses.”

EAD, you forgot to mention that vitally important documentary, the Matrix Trilogy. It clearly points, with vast amounts of evidence, to the coming Satanic-Zionist-Alien Lizard takeover of the world, predicted by all the authors you rightly mention.

Also, here is more proof, a video showing George Bush’s eyes turning into alien lizard eyes…….

Oh wait, my tin foil hat fell off.
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July 18, 2014 12:43pm
lilman

Credibility?You Penny talking credibility?

Every time you use a footpath,library,road,drink water,shower,use a phone, computer ,internet,eat at a restaurant,take a walk ,use a rubbish bin you are stealing from others who have paid their rates.

Pay what you owe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 18, 2014 12:45pm
stephieboy

Wiki , what a laugh RT and the learned media Professor on about the alleged censored / hidden 5 books in the USA. But two of them so alleged can be found readily on Amazon .com here,

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_19?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+phoenix+program+valentine&sprefix=the+phoenix+program%2Cstripbooks%2C624&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Athe+phoenix+program+valentine

+++,

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_21?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+lords+o

I note the spurious item originally was promoted by by of all mags the highly “reputable ” Nexus.

http://deusnexus.wordpress.com/2014/06/27/5-censored-books/

Need we say any more .!

I wonder if RT will run one about the equivalents in Putin’s Russia.??
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July 18, 2014 12:50pm
Scott Chris

Anyone who was in England during the nineties may remember Mr Blobby. Didn’t really get him at the time but this bit on the very talented Jimmy Carr’s Big Fat Quiz made me laugh quite hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-tKToKmCFU
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July 18, 2014 1:39pm
wikiriwhis business

“Neither Obama nor Biden “declare the NWO”, ”

Last year Joe Biden announced the New World Order in those exact words. He had to cough them out but out they came.

Joe Biden New World Order: You Tube 2013
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July 18, 2014 1:45pm
Elaycee

Apparently, there is a ‘protest’ scheduled for tomorrow in the Auckland CBD because Israel sent troops in to deal to the Hamas terrorists. And guess what?

At the head of the ‘protest’ will be the weapons grade moron – Minto…. the ‘hero’ who once whinged and bleated into a megaphone outside the Tennis Centre in Stanley Street – all because an Israeli tennis player had the temerity to play in the Auckland tournament.

If true to form, a similar number of MSM lapdogs will attend this ‘protest’ as there will be placard wavers (that’s the usual ratio) and yet by news time tomorrow night, we’ll be fed something that would make David Copperfield proud…. somehow, a ragtag bunch of low rent, placard waving losers will have morphed into ‘hundreds’ of people… Magic!

Pffttt….
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July 18, 2014 1:49pm
RRM

New Zealand’s blogger of the year comes out with his worldly opinions on how the rape complainant is just a lying, man-hating lefty lesbo like all of her friends, therefore it must have been entrapment:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/07/tania-billingsley-green-rape-crisis-fingerprints/
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July 18, 2014 1:51pm
Paulus

Guyon has been told to speak Maori from up his nose first thing in the morning.
Otherwise he is incoherent also.
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July 18, 2014 1:56pm
stephieboy

wiki, the alleged NWO quote taken from Joe Liden’s speech is taken very, very much out of context. A very, very typical Conspiracy theorist propaganda ploy ,

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/07/rumor-check-biden-endorses-new-world-order/

Its known as the deception using quote mining. much like his alleged micro chips are coming speech. here,

http://other.skepticproject.com/articles/quotes/view/25/joe-biden-admits-microchips-are-coming/

Very, very deceitful.!
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July 18, 2014 2:06pm
srylands

If you go to the Green Party website and search for the term “ban”, you get 1,450 results 🙂
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July 18, 2014 2:13pm
Left Right and Centre

LRC says: ‘I like the fizzy mag wheels – but not at 50c each. 30c each (when you can get them) at one of my dairies.’

I’ve got seven kids to feed

– lady running one of those ‘not even a shop’ random mall set-ups.

Nice answer – hahahaha. Can you believe I managed to not even try a dry remark ? Wow. Seven kids. Good one. Have seven kids and then tell people about your self-imposed burden as if someone else has done it to you or something. Mind you, that’s Porirua for ya – forget about it !!
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July 18, 2014 2:20pm
Manolo

It will not impress stephieboy:
These are precisely the sort of things that Obama doesn’t seem to do anymore. There has been a skein of stories indicating he’s thrown in the towel. He’s so tired of head-banging with Republicans that he has taken refuge in late-night dinners with celebrities and intellectuals.

No, it is not from Fox News: http://time.com/3000982/the-border-and-obama/
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July 18, 2014 2:48pm
cha

For Reid, EAD, UT and Timmy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk
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July 18, 2014 3:07pm
Yoza

That Cameron Slater is on creepy dude. Who the hell demands a rape complainant contact him so he can ‘cross examine’ her in an interview?
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July 18, 2014 3:20pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers …

18 July 2014

‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Prime Minister John Key :

“Upon which International Human Rights Law are you relying to NOT publicly condemn the Israeli State bombing and invasion of Gaza?”
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

New Zealand Prime Minister John Key,

Please be reminded of the following, stated on the NZ Government Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) website, regarding New Zealand’s commitment to the ‘Rule of Law’ – nationally and internationally:

http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Foreign-Relations/1-Global-Issues/Human-Rights/index.php

Human Rights

New Zealand is strongly committed to the protection and promotion of international human rights, as embodied in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and in the seven core human rights treaties.
New Zealand seeks to defend and advance international human rights in multilateral human rights fora, focussing on the meetings of the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva and in the Third Committee of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and negotiations of new international human rights instruments.

New Zealand also focuses on the promotion of human rights in our region and in countries with which we have bilateral relationships, through exchanging views about human rights and providing practical assistance.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

“Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law ”

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
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http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/05-International-Humanitarian-Law/index.php

International Humanitarian Law

International humanitarian law is also sometimes described as the “law of armed conflict” or the “laws of war”. It is a framework of rules that restricts the means and methods of warfare and protects people who are not participating in the fighting, in order to limit the effects of armed conflict for humanitarian reasons. International humanitarian law does not regulate when or why a State may use force, or determine whether an armed conflict is legal or illegal, and the rules of international humanitarian law apply equally to all sides regardless of who started the conflict.

International humanitarian law is made up of a body of treaties. Many of the rules set down in these treaties have become so widely accepted that they are now regarded as customary international law and binding on all States.

The core international humanitarian law treaties are the four 1949 Geneva Conventions, concluded after World War II, which cover:

wounded soldiers on the battlefield;
wounded and shipwrecked at sea;
prisoners of war;
civilians under enemy control.

These four treaties have been universally adopted by all States.
The Geneva Conventions have been supplemented by two Additional Protocols adopted in 1977 relating to the protection of victims of armed conflicts, and a third Additional Protocol adopted in 2005 specifying an additional emblem that may be used by organisations of the Red Cross. Other important international humanitarian law treaties regulate the types of weapons that can be used in armed conflict, including the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention, the 1980 Conventional Weapons Convention and its five protocols, the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, the 1997 Ottawa Convention on anti-personnel mines.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Foreign-Relations/1-Global-Issues/Human-Rights/0-overview.php
Human Rights

New Zealand and Human Rights

International Obligations and Treaties
New Zealand is strongly committed to the protection and promotion of international human rights, as embodied in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and in the key human rights treaties.

………

International Obligations

As a member of the United Nations, New Zealand supports the human rights provisions of the United Nations Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. We are also a party to the seven core international human rights instruments which follow. Links to the following can be found in the Related Resources section of this page.

International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR)
International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR)
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)
Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)
Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC)
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
These instruments impose obligations upon parties, including requirements for regular reporting on implementation of the treaties.

…………………………..

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

http://gaza.scoop.ps/2014/07/ministry-of-health-gaza-update-170714/

Ministry of Health Gaza Update 17/07/14
July 17, 20140 comments
Important (400 x 255)

The Ministry of Health in Gaza reports the following statistics as at 1800 hours on Thursday July 16, 2014:

Deaths: 235 – 52 children, 24 women 18-60 years, 16 persons over 60 years
Injuries: 1,764 – 521 children, 323 women 18-60 years, 67 over 60 years.
ICU: 23 patients

Gaza Under Attack English (400 x 571)

Israeli Aggression Against Medical Staff
Dr. Anas Abu Alkkas – Killed by Israeli airstrike
Mohammed Al Najjar – nurse, injured
Nader Al Buhasay – ambulance officer, injured
Husam Radi – Lab Technician Injured on the way home from work at Kamal Odwan Hospital

Damages to Primary Health Care centers
Six centres damaged:
Al Fakhari
Beach
Al Attatrah
Ashi clinic
Medical Relief for Chronic Diseases
Beit Hanoun Center for Medical Relief

13 Centers closed

Hospitals Attacked
European Gaza
Al Wafa

Ambulances
Three ambulances destroyed and damaged in Ambulance Center

Massacres Against Families
a. Hamd Family in Beit Hanoun – 6 martyrs.
b. Kaware’ Family in Khan Yunis – 8 martyrs.
c. Al Manasra Family in Central Gaza – 4 martyrs.
d. Al Hajj Family in Khan Yunis – 8 martyrs.
e. Abu Jame’ Family in Khan Yunis – 2 martyrs.
f. Abd Al Ghafour Family in Khan Yunis – 2 martyrs.
g. Ghanaam Family in Rafah – 4 martyrs.
h. Al Arja Family in Rafah – 2 martyrs.
i. Al Astal Family in Khan Yunis – 3 martyrs.
j. Al Sawali Family in Khan Yunis – 2 martyrs.
k. Al Batsh Family in Gaza – 17 martyrs.
l. Sheikh El-Eid Family in Rafah – 3 martyrs
m. Abu Daqqa Family in Khan Younes – 3 martyrs
n. Bakr Family in Gaza City – 4 martyrs, all children
o. Zo’rob Family in Khan Younes – 3 martyrs
p. Al Astal Family in Khan Younes – 4 martyrs
q. Shehaibar Family in Sabra, Gaza City – 3 martyrs, all children

Medical Treatment Abroad
10/07/2014 – 11 medical cases permitted to enter Egypt
11/07/2014 – 0 – borders closed.
12/07/2014 – Four medical cases permitted to enter Egypt
13/07/2014 – Six medical cases sent to Jordan, three permitted to enter Egypt
14/07/2014 – Four medical cases permitted to enter Egypt
15/07/2014 – One medical case permitted to enter Egypt
16/07/2014 – Six medical cases sent to Jordan

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

OIA REQUEST:

Please provide the following information which confirms:

Upon which International Human Rights Law, you, as Prime Minister of New Zealand, are relying, to NOT publicly condemn the Israeli State bombing and invasion of Gaza, and call for the immediate cessation thereof.

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

2014 Independent candidate for the Helensville electorate

Jacquelyne Taylor

Peace Advocate
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July 18, 2014 3:22pm
Longknives

Penny- John Key won’t condemn Israel simply because he is intelligent enough to realise that Israel are the good guys! I for one hope they continue to bomb the hell out of those terrorist Hamas idiots until the place is a pile of rubble…
Go Israel you good thing!!
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July 18, 2014 3:30pm
stephieboy

manolo , i understand your far right Republican friends propose to extend building a physical Berlin wall/ Iron curtain right across the US / Mexican border with advice from ex Stasi members.
Simple solution and answer as always.
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July 18, 2014 3:37pm
bc

Just had a read of that Whaleoil post, Yoza.
Unbelievable. Whaleoil at his lowest. Gets the page clicks I suppose, which seems to be his thing.
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July 18, 2014 3:46pm
Fletch

Penny, what exactly do you expect Israel to do? Just continue to let bombs be lobbed into their populace and hope Hamas runs out of ammo? Do you think that would work in any country in the world? What if a country were to lob bombs into the middle of Auckland city? Would we do nothing?

SOmetimes I think you liberals are just idiotic.
Israel is going out of its way to prevent civilian casualties – dropping leaflets, phoning people before they bomb so they can get out. What other country in the world does that during a war?

In contrast, Hamas puts women and children in harms way – using them as human shields – and they DON’T CARE about casualties – the more the better, as they can use that as propaganda.

The Hamas Interior Ministry has asked the media to label ANY deaths as “innocent civilians”.

The ministry’s guidelines, which it is calling the “Be Aware – Social Media Activist Awareness Campaign,” were issued via an instructional video posted on its official website and via posters published on its Twitter and Facebook pages. Both the video and the posters were also posted on the ministry’s social media accounts and forums.

[…]

Following are excerpts from the guidelines:
“Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ or ‘innocent citizen’ in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

“Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase ‘In response to the cruel Israeli attack,’ and conclude with the phrase ‘This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.’ Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of ‘the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.’

“Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation’s version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.

“Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers. This [would] provide a pretext for attacking residential areas in the Gaza Strip. Do not publish or share photos or video clips showing rocket launching sites or the movement of resistance [forces] in Gaza.

“To the administrators of news pages on Facebook: Do not publish close-ups of masked men with heavy weapons, so that your page will not be shut down [by Facebook] on the claim that you are inciting violence. In your coverage, be sure that you say: ‘The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation that deliberately fires rockets against civilians in the West Bank and Gaza’…”

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8076.htm

Don’t be a sucker, Penny.
Here are some of the REAL statistics about the conflict.

So here are the most accurate statistics as of Tuesday at noon:

According to (initial) ITIC information, the distribution of those killed is as follows:

1) 72 terrorist operatives:

A. 35 Hamas operatives(most of them from its military-terrorist wing)

B. 27 PIJ operatives

C. Ten operatives from other terrorist organizations

2) 80 non-involved Palestinians

3) 41 Palestinians whose identity still cannot be ascertained.

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20674
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July 18, 2014 3:46pm
wikiriwhis business

Someone asked me where I got the stat for $6b in unpaid taxes from Corporates and I agree that seems over the top for

lil NZ. But they were official stats released by IRD this year. So get in touch with them as they must be able to provide

the link they released.
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July 18, 2014 3:54pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-under-seige-naming-dead-2014710105846549528.html

Gaza under siege: naming the dead
Palestinian death toll continues to rise since Israel launched its “Operation Protective Edge”.
Last updated: 17 Jul 2014 19:59

Israel’s aerial offensive began on July 8 [AP]

Israel has hit more than 1,000 targets in the densely populated Gaza Strip, in attacks it says target Hamas military infrastructure. Civilian buildings have been hit.

Hundreds of rockets have also been launched from Gaza into Israel.

Some rockets have reached Tel Aviv, but Israel’s Iron Dome defence system intercepted most of them.
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Penny Bright
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July 18, 2014 4:11pm
Judith

@ Yoza (1,481 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

Slater needs the alleged victim to contact him so she can tell him the details of the crime – which he can then publish, and then claim that the trial can’t go ahead because his big fat blabbing mouth has ruined the chance of any fair trial. It is in his best interests to ensure the trial never takes place.

As it stand, the alleged victim has not spoken about the details of the event, and that seems to really irk the Whale, because without that, he has NOTHING, ZILCH, ZIPPO! (except his own imagination of course).

Still waiting for him to explain how the alleged victim, who he claims orchestrated this whole thing because she is a leftie and a feminist, manged to get the co-operation of the Malaysian government, our government officials, Mr McCully, and the NZ Police,, not to mention the diplomat himself.
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July 18, 2014 4:19pm
Judith

Pete George (22,644 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 11:38 am
But Whale Oil has no idea what else there is to the story either

Whaleoil has no idea (Full Stop).

He is desperately trying to stitch his credibility together and make a story where there isn’t one.

The best he can come up with is that the alleged victim was motivated to complain about the governments handling because she has contacts in the Green Party – in doing so he totally forgets that if there hadn’t been a stuff up by government officials in the first place, there would not have been the opportunity for the victim to complain.

In order to believe Whaleoil, you’d have to believe that McCully was complicit in the entire thing and organised the stuff up, just so the alleged victim could make a case against the government.

In short, Whale oil should run for the conservatives, him and colin could have cups of tea and talk conspiracy theories.
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July 18, 2014 4:31pm
lilman

Dont worry about Gaza Penny,just pay your rates.
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July 18, 2014 4:37pm
Judith

Don’t worry about paying your rates Penny. Stick to your protest if its important enough to you.

Don’t be a leeming, we have plenty of those in here already – and you can tell by their whinging, they aren’t a happy lot.

“Better to stand alone with the truth, than in the company of lies”
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July 18, 2014 4:49pm
kowtow

Equality?

In the EU case law is being used to push the “equality” agenda to even more ridiculous extremes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10973240/Bosses-must-treat-severely-fat-workers-as-disabled-says-EUs-legal-adviser.html

Once was the concept of equality before the law ,now it’s fatties are entitled to be treated as “disabled”.WTF has that got to do with “equality”?

Some people call it “progressive” ,I call it bonkers.
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