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dad4justice

Emails please big bluff. I just love cornering a rat.

Shawn as a Christian I despise followers of satan. I suggest you learn real fast that a truth warrior is always confronted by evil. bigot blouse is nothing more than a pathological liar with serious mental health issues. How can you debate with someone so disturbed is beyond my comprehension.
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July 16, 2014 9:03pm
big bruv

ShawnLH

Don’t feel that you need to defend me old chap. As soon as she starts being abusive I know I have won. Her anger is not really directed at me anyway, I suspect it is directed within given that she knows what I am saying is right and she is angry at herself for being duped by the church for so long.
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July 16, 2014 9:03pm
Pete George

I think it’s more about not having bad language so advertisers aren’t uncomfortable about being on the site.

You’ve got to be joking after what Slater posted there today.

I don’t think he’s ever been concerned about contrary views.

It was Pete who banned me. I don’t think he’s been honest about it.

nasska – a problem is, like on The Daily Blog, you don’t know who else has been banned, it’s done on the quiet. There’s no way of knowing how open or controlled discussion is. Whale Oil is becoming just like the MSM comments sections and blogs they criticise. Sure it’s there call and I don’t care about not being able to comment there – they said if I grovel they may review but stuff that – but if they want to build an alternative to MSM they have to differentiate, not be the same control freaks.
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July 16, 2014 9:05pm
SGA

ShawnLH at 8:06 pm

The last time I saw any NZ politicians wearing kilts they were dancing around a maypole and went on to form the Green Party. 🙂

Careful Shawn. Our next Head of State is partial to a bit of kilt wearing. He’s an Anglican too. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:05pm
ShawnLH

What did you actually try to post at Whale Oil Pete? I may be wrong, but I doubt he would ban someone merely for having a contrary view.
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July 16, 2014 9:06pm
ShawnLH

“Our next Head of State is partial to a bit of kilt wearing. He’s an Anglican too.”

Well, a kilt is slightly more covering than what some of my ancestors used to wear! 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:07pm
nasska

….” she is angry at herself for being duped by the church for so long.”…..

It was finding out that the rule about masturbation being a mortal sin was a load of bollocks that really did it.

The decades of self denial have hit home. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:08pm
ShawnLH

“Shawn as a Christian I despise followers of satan.”

Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, turn the other cheek.

And at some level we all have our dark sides. Nobody is innocent, and nobody can point fingers at other individuals.

The only “truth warrior” is God D4J, you and I are just sinners.
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July 16, 2014 9:12pm
Pete George

Shawn – I posted exactly the same as this comment here:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/general_debate_12_july_2014.html#comment-1358550

Ironically Pete @WO claims they “speak uncomfortable truth” but seem to have been uncomfortable with an alternate ‘truth’.
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July 16, 2014 9:12pm
nasska

….”Well, a kilt is slightly more covering than what some of my ancestors used to wear!”…..

Nought bar a wig & a codpiece were “de rigueur” in many good bordelloes of days gone by Shawn. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:12pm
Liam Hehir

… I don’t care about not being able to comment there …

You’ll have to forgive me for some scepticism here.
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July 16, 2014 9:13pm
dad4justice

“Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, turn the other cheek.”

There is nothing UN Christian about wanting to expose a malicious liar like bb. You keep defending the lying freak if you want. Keep on the dark side if you want, but I will not as I like the light of truth. I got no time for lies. I got no time for slander and false testimony. Truth warriors are everywhere if you look hard enough.
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July 16, 2014 9:16pm
ShawnLH

“Nought bar a wig & a codpiece were “de rigueur” in many good bordelloes of days gone by Shawn.”

Mention of the codpiece always reminds of the first Blackadder series. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:18pm
Pete George

Why Liam? I’ve never commented much there, and especially after the new standards they are setting I wouldn’t want to be associated with them anyway. I thought today’s post on Billingsley was disgraceful and highly hypocritical.

Poor for a blog trying to establish a great ‘new media’ and not helpful for National either.
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July 16, 2014 9:20pm
ShawnLH

“There is nothing UN Christian about wanting to expose a malicious liar like bb. You keep defending the lying freak.”

D4J, we are all lairs, we are all freaks, we all sin. None are innocent.

I think you should spend more time reading the Gospels and less time parading your supposed righteousness in public, or you may find yourself amongst the goats instead of the sheep.

“Not all who call me Lord will enter the Kingdom.”
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July 16, 2014 9:21pm
SGA

Don the Kiwi at 8:39 pm

Your knowledge of the Church teaching on celibacy is flawed, if not completely wrong – men who join the celibate priesthood do so willingly – there is no compulsion – it is a choice they make.

I have no data, only an anecdote, so take this with a grain of salt. For a friend of mine, the priesthood initially seemed a good idea because he wasn’t attracted to women, and celibacy seemed a solution to his “problem” (at least in the devout catholic environment he was raised in). He wisely left the seminary after a couple of years. It’s made me wonder if there may have been something of a self-selection bias in those who join the priesthood. As I say, grain of salt etc., etc.
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July 16, 2014 9:23pm
big bruv

“as a Christian I despise followers of satan”

Oh the irony!
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July 16, 2014 9:23pm
Liam Hehir

Just trying to offer some (genuinely) friendly advice.

If you’re not bothered about being banned then maybe you should stop complaining about it here, which you’ve been doing for more than an hour.

You’ve got your own, well-established platform. Put your objections to the WOBH post up there – where nobody can hold you back.
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July 16, 2014 9:25pm
dad4justice

Your opinion Shawn. My “supposed righteousness” is well earned boy. Don’t try to lecture me boy your defending a malicious liar.

“Oh the irony!”
Post the emails bigot blouse just ask your mate satan.I give you a $1000 when you post them.
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July 16, 2014 9:25pm
SGA

ShawnLH at 9:07 pm

Well, a kilt is slightly more covering than what some of my ancestors used to wear! 🙂

A kilt – luxury. My ancestors used to dream of a kilt – paint themselves blue, they would, and roam up and down the vales with their privates hanging out.
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July 16, 2014 9:26pm
big bruv

Shawn

This will no doubt amuse you but I am really quite enjoying your sermon to D4J.

Do keep it up. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:28pm
ShawnLH

“My “supposed righteousness” is well earned boy.”

You can’t earn righteousness D4J. The only righteousness we have is Christs, and that is an unearned and free gift we did not nor do not deserve.

The only one who is righteous by nature is God, the rest of us are sinners.

There are some serious flaws in your understanding of the Gospel.
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July 16, 2014 9:31pm
big bruv

SGA

I think you will find that they had no need to paint themselves blue. As one who spent many years in Scotland, and, is married to a Scottish lady I can assure you that the natural colour of a Scot is blue. Indeed, the buggers have to go out in the sun for a week just to turn white.
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July 16, 2014 9:32pm
ShawnLH

“My ancestors used to dream of a kilt – paint themselves blue, they would, and roam up and down the vales with their privates hanging out.”

Picts SGA?

Wonderful imagery by the way! 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:32pm
big bruv

“There are some serious flaws in your understanding of the Gospel.”

Opps!……now you have done it Shawn.
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July 16, 2014 9:33pm
dad4justice

“You can’t earn righteousness D4J. ”

Stop talking piffle just ask your tic club mate bb for the emails so a pathological liar can be exposed in public.
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July 16, 2014 9:34pm
big bruv

Be careful Shawn, remember that D4J was here first.
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July 16, 2014 9:38pm
thedavincimode

Have you considered a course in anger management Peter? I’m sure that you could find support and assistance from a number of organisations that promote the concept of men as fathers and positive role models.
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July 16, 2014 9:39pm
nasska

….”A kilt – luxury. My ancestors used to dream of a kilt – paint themselves blue, they would, and roam up and down the vales with their privates hanging out.”…..

I’ll bet your family reunions are sell outs. 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:41pm
Pete George

Nobody by DPF can hold me back here either Liam. I’ve discussed it elsewhere as well, including with Pete on Twitter. He either didn’t check what I posted and jumped to a (wrong) conclusion or he’s being dishonest.

It seems odd suggesting political blog issues shouldn’t be discussed on this political blog. I think there’s important principals involved – especially when it concerns media that has ambitions of becoming a major influence in our political discourse.

They’ve got a lot of learning to do. Sure they’ve built some popularity but are also growing their enemies as well, and could be toxic for National – I’ve seen Key and Collins in particular linked to the Billingsley post today just by their known association with Slater. It’s their risk but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be up for discussion here.
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July 16, 2014 9:41pm
ShawnLH

D4J, back to the Scriptures boy!

“Stop talking piffle just ask your tic club mate bb for the emails so a pathological liar can be exposed in public.”

“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

2 Corinthians 5:21

“When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, “Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?” 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.””

Mark 2:17

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

Matthew 7:1-5
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July 16, 2014 9:43pm
Liam Hehir

Oh look, I’m honestly not saying that you shouldn’t post here to your heart’s content. I’m just suggesting that if you really didn’t care about being banned at WOBH, you wouldn’t be (still) grumbling about the banning here. I suggest that’s pretty good evidence you do care.

That’s a fair observation, surely?
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July 16, 2014 9:45pm
dad4justice

Oh right Shawn so false testimony is ok in your eyes. I suggest you remove that 4 by 2 from your eye and go back and read what the good book says about liars. Goodnight fool.
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July 16, 2014 9:47pm
Pete George

thedavincimode – if you knew me you’d know that that isn’t necessary. I don’t remember when I last got angry. People often presume incorrectly in non-personal forums, maybe they think everyone else has fuses like their own.

I don’t shy away from mixing it but don’t confuse that with anger. I laugh at what goes on much more than I fume. I’m happy to pick my fights.
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July 16, 2014 9:47pm
SGA

ShawnLH at 9:32 pm

Picts SGA?

Most likely somewhere – I’m certainly a mongrel of diverse, but pretty much exclusively, Celtic sources. Of course, we’re civilised now 🙂 . Have been for a few generations.
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July 16, 2014 9:49pm
thedavincimode

PG

What on earth are you talking about?
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July 16, 2014 9:50pm
ShawnLH

“Oh right Shawn so false testimony is ok in your eyes.”

Did I say that? You have just done the same to me.

” I suggest you remove that 4 by 2 from your eye and go back and read what the good book says about liars.”

So you have never, ever, not once, told a lie D4J? Really?

Well, what a wonderfully righteous man you are! Clearly you have no need for the saving work of Christ, as you are so much more righteous than the rest of us!

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
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July 16, 2014 9:51pm
big bruv

D4J

“Oh right Shawn so false testimony is ok in your eyes.”

Clearly it is perfectly acceptable in your eyes.
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July 16, 2014 9:52pm
Pete George

Liam – you’re confusing ‘grumbling’ with making points I think are pertinent to political blogging.

Maybe you’re happy to think WO is an open forum of free speech but others may be interested to know that many political forums have controlled messages.

They are happy to dish out ‘uncomfortable truth’ but don’t seem so happy with the whole truth. If you want to understand how the blogs work you have to learn about them. DPF’s commitment to free speech is rare in political blogging. Most succumb to putting their own agendas first.
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July 16, 2014 9:53pm
big bruv

“So you have never, ever, not once, told a lie D4J? Really?”

Oh trust me Shawn, the list is loooooooooooooooooong and varied.
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July 16, 2014 9:54pm
dad4justice

“Clearly it is perfectly acceptable in your eyes.”

Haha this from a lunatic that falsely claims to have emails sent by me.

This is laughable. Haha your nuts big bruv. Haha………………………………..

Looks like my $1000 wager is safe then bb? What a lying creep.

At least I have exposed a nasty, vengeful and vindictive liar. Job done.Haha what a loser.
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July 16, 2014 9:55pm
ShawnLH

“Celtic sources. Of course, we’re civilised now 🙂 . Have been for a few generations.”

You have never been drunk with a group of Irishmen then! 🙂
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July 16, 2014 9:55pm
Liam Hehir

I don’t really think about WO and to be honest, I don’t really think about whether it is or isn’t an open forum.

However, I suggest that you do care. Just an opinion.
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July 16, 2014 9:56pm
ShawnLH

Best be off to bed D4J, you don’t want your hard earned righteousness to be contaminated by engaging with us mere mortals.
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July 16, 2014 9:58pm
SGA

ShawnLH at 9:55 pm

“Celtic sources. Of course, we’re civilised now 🙂 . Have been for a few generations.”
You have never been drunk with a group of Irishmen then! 🙂

Never had trouble with the Irish. A guy from Glasgow joined a group us out drinking one night though – as he got drunker, he got angrier and angrier, but his accent got thicker and thicker and we couldn’t work out what he was angry about. Eventually we found an excuse to gracefully exit – it felt like we were drinking with a time bomb.
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July 16, 2014 10:01pm
big bruv

D4J

Now run along, it is way past your bedtime.

And don’t worry D4J, I have the emails, as I said I have shown them to others so they know they exist.

If you actually did have a $1000 I might have considered posting at least one of them here, I am sure that the SPCA in Canterbury could do with the money. However, given you are a broken arse I will not bother.
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July 16, 2014 10:02pm
Pete George

Interesting that you have picked my ‘grumbling’ out of what is discussed here.

And no, I don’t care about being blocked from WO. After today’s Billingsley post there I’d honestly prefer to not be associated with them.

And quite funny that thedavincimode gives me an angry glare. That really made me laugh.

If people took advice not to post where they might get angry that would gut KB.
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July 16, 2014 10:02pm
big bruv

SGA

You have fairly accurately described what a night out in Glasgow is like. I did it once, not something I am that keen to ever do again.
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July 16, 2014 10:03pm
Liam Hehir

Oh forget it.
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July 16, 2014 10:04pm
ShawnLH

“Never had trouble with the Irish.”

Neither have I, unless you count literally ending up under a table after foolishly trying to match them drink for drink. 🙂

Dumb move on my part!
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July 16, 2014 10:06pm
adze

PG

Unfortunate you were banned at WO. I don’t visit that site very often but it’s not that hypocritical really; free speech doesn’t mean we have a right to post on other people’s sites. Anyone can start their own blog or even publish their own book.
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July 16, 2014 10:24pm
Rowan

Put up or shut up big blouse, prove that you are not a lying piece of crap by posting just one of the alleged emails
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July 16, 2014 10:37pm
adc

What’s with labour vowing to ban all cosmetics?

Because for the life of me I can’t imagine any cosmetic doesn’t contain anything that was ever tested on animals at some stage.

They’d probably have to ban all food as well by that logic.
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July 16, 2014 10:56pm
thedavincimode

And quite funny that thedavincimode gives me an angry glare. That really made me laugh.

Glad you had a laugh PG; G** knows you need one. But what on earth are you talking about?
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July 17, 2014 5:19am
Pete George

The July Fairfax/IPSOS is out this morning and while it has a slight improvement for Labour they are only up to 24.9%.

There are some variations to the Roy Morgan poll that came out yesterday.

– National 54.8% (down 1.7, Roy Morgan 51.0)
– Labour 24.9% (up 1.7, Roy Morgan 23.5)
– Greens 12.4% (up 0.5, Roy Morgan 15.0)
– NZ First 2.6% (down 0.6, Roy Morgan 6.0)
– Mana 1.2% (no change, Roy Morgan Internet-Mana 1.5)
– Conservative 1.3% (up 0.4, Roy Morgan 1.0)
– Maori Party 0.9% (up 0.2, Roy Morgan 1.0)
– United Future 0.2% (up 0.2, Roy Morgan 0.5)
– ACT 0.1% (down 0.6, Roy Morgan 0.5)

http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
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July 17, 2014 6:38am
dirty harry

Liarbor will never ban cosmetics..Fenton wont let it happen , she knows she would have to resort to a paper bag to venture outside.
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